Katie Lowes & Zach Noe Towers: Chickens & Blackmail

Summary

Jeff Lewis Has Issues – Episode Summary: "Katie Lowes & Zach Noe Towers: Chickens & Blackmail"
Date: September 3, 2025
Guests: Katie Lowes, Zach Noe Towers

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Episode Overview

In this lively and unfiltered episode, Jeff Lewis welcomes actress Katie Lowes (notably of Scandal and Netflix’s The Hunting Wives) and comedian Zach Noe Towers. The trio dives into topics ranging from behind-the-scenes drama on The Hunting Wives, the reality of sex scenes, navigating Hollywood careers, sex and relationships, humorous commentary on life as working actors and parents, as well as the perils of online dating—including blackmail and nude photo scandals.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Hunting Wives: Behind the Scenes

• Jeff and his guests discuss their obsession with The Hunting Wives, particularly the impact of the show’s steamy scenes and surprise plot twists.
• Katie reveals she originally auditioned for the role of Callie but was cast as Jill, fully aware her character wouldn’t make it past the first season.

  “When I auditioned for the role, it was a one-year deal. I knew in advance before I auditioned for it that Jill was gonna die...” —Katie (05:01)

• The logistics of filming (grueling night shoots, Charlotte summer heat, hair and makeup challenges) are described with a mix of fondness and exhaustion.

2. Sex Scenes, On-Screen Nudity & Actor Vulnerability

• Jeff is candid (and humorous) about the "horniness" inspired by the show’s sex scenes, while Katie unpacks the differences between performing and watching them.
• Katie: “There’s a whole set and there’s a coordinator. It’s very procedural. It’s not sexy at all. It’s super stressful.” (18:41)
• Discussion on European attitudes toward nudity, especially referencing co-star Malin Akerman’s confidence versus American self-consciousness.

3. The Surprise Success of The Hunting Wives

• The show was intended for a limited, cable audience (originally Starz), but landed on Netflix and achieved a much broader, more diverse fanbase than expected.
• Katie discusses the show appealing across political, age, gender, and sexual spectrums:

  “My feed is like conservatives thinking it's the best thing ever. Liberals, the same thing. Gay, straight, black, white, young, old, rich, poor...and we're all horny.” —Katie (21:10)

• The cast’s experiences as working moms in Charlotte, “Melrose Place style” apartment living, and balancing family with demanding work.

4. Hollywood Realities: Residuals, Day Jobs & Publicists

• Katie talks transparently about the non-glamorous aspects of acting—uncertainty, lack of residuals from streaming (Scandal, especially), hustling between gigs, and years spent waitressing and catering.

  “Mommy’s gotta work. Mommy’s got a house and two kids and like, I’m a hustler, but I was like a waitress and a babysitter and a caterer and a personal assistant before Scandal.” (08:07)

• Jeff (admiringly) notes the effectiveness of Katie’s publicity team, who “get her everywhere,” and both joke about being “the smallest chicken” on a roster of star clients.
• Brief aside about “bad wigs” in Hollywood and the merits of filming in Los Angeles for proper hair and costume resources.

5. Comedy, Sobriety, and Cruises

• Zach shares excitement (and fears) about performing stand-up on a gay cruise in the Greek Isles, with discussion on sobriety and the unexpected comfort of AA meetings at sea.
• Jeff introduces a running gag on the buzz from Celsius energy drinks, equating the energy rush to “liquid cocaine.”
• The trio riff on travel, clubbing in New York, children’s reactions to glamorous co-stars, and the hazards of “fraterdays” (late Friday filming).

6. Online Dating, Blackmail, and "Nude Couponing"

• Zach opens up about being blackmailed on Grindr by someone threatening to release his nudes in a digital revenge plot.

  “He sent me a screenshot of a collage of all my nudes with my face picture mixed in...He was like, ‘I’m going to post these on Facebook. What happens next is up to you.’” —Zach (34:14)

• The group jokes about the circulation of nudes (“like a Bed Bath & Beyond coupon situation”), but also discuss safety, embarrassment, and turning the tables (“If your ass pics got out there, that could help your career!” —Jeff, 35:35).
• Laughter over butts, celebrity gossip, and the etiquette of kissing—or not kissing—on first dates.

7. Parenthood, Mental Health & Postpartum Discussion

• Katie details her own struggle with postpartum depression after her second child, leading to a candid conversation about mental health and the use of antidepressants (“best thing I ever did” —Katie, 45:09).
• Jeff and Katie commiserate over “postpartum blues” and parental anxiety.

8. Acting Craft: Inspirations, Accents & Marital Dynamics

• Jeff quizzes Katie on where she found inspiration for Jill—was it a Real Housewife? She insists it’s based on observations of “helicopter moms” (48:44).
• Katie describes the challenges of dropping the accent after months in character, and her marriage to actor Adam Shapiro—how they juggle work, kids, and egos (“Our couple’s therapist says, ‘Do you like 80% of him?’ and I'm like, I do. And they say that's great. And I'm like woohoo.” —Katie, 51:22).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Lesbians, Luxury, and Poolside Glam:
  “She is full on goals. I think it was for the best that I didn’t get naked on The Hunting Wives.” —Katie (23:12)

• On the Audience’s Reaction to the Show’s Eroticism:
  “All the kids I used to babysit for, who are now in their fucking twenties, texting me, and we're all horny. Horny. That’s the thing that combines us all.” —Katie (21:46)

• On Blackmail and Nudes:
  “Like, that's revenge porn. I look good in the nudes, okay.” —Zach (35:29)

• On Parental Guilt and Work-Life Balance:
  “Honestly, it felt like such a treat to even get three or four days in a row away from [my kids]. It felt like a great gift.” —Katie (18:15)

• Car Preferences and Self-Image:
  “I drive a minivan. I lead a life of freedom. Here’s the problem. I don’t care. I drive a fucking minivan.” —Katie (24:14)

• On Craft and Accents:
  “I’m like a real actor, Jeff.” —Katie (49:24)

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Notable Timestamps

• 01:26 – Jeff introduces guests and the Hunting Wives obsession
• 03:41 – Discussion about not appearing in sex scenes and actor relief
• 05:01 – Katie reveals she always knew Jill would be killed off
• 10:02 – The reality of night shoots and actor exhaustion
• 13:03 – Katie’s real “big hair,” Charlotte humidity, and wig talk
• 16:24 – Behind-the-scenes set behavior: no affairs, strong female leadership
• 18:41 – Why sex scenes aren't actually sexy
• 21:10 – The show's broad, horny demographic
• 34:14 – Zach’s blackmail story: nudes, Grindr, and online safety
• 45:17 – Katie opens up about postpartum depression
• 48:44 – Jill’s character inspiration and Dallas accents; acting process
• 51:22 – On marriage, mutual support, and actor relationships

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Tone & Dynamic

Throughout the episode, the tone is frank, irreverent, and warm. Jeff’s trademark directness gives way to rowdy humor, while Katie and Zach balance the banter with real talk about the struggles, surprises, and camaraderie that come with public lives in entertainment. Nothing (and no one) is off-limits—from nipples to nannies, addiction to minivans.

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For New Listeners

If you haven’t heard this episode, expect a blend of industry insights, personal confessions, and outrageous storytelling—punctuated by laughter, honest dialogue, and no shortage of “TMI” moments. The rapport between Jeff, Katie, and Zach makes for an engaging, highly entertaining listen.

Transcript

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When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[A]

This dementia's aggressive.

[B]

So is the drinking.

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You know, I've never been on a private plane before and I'm very excited. Are you serious? No, never. What are you, a Martian?

[B]

You're really demented.

[C]

You're actually demented.

[B]

Jeff Lewis has issues.

[A]

Hey, it's Je. Jeff Lewis and I have issues. In today's episode, Katie Lowes and Zach Noe Towers join the show. We talk about bad wigs being a small chicken and blackmail. Good morning.

[B]

Good morning.

[A]

Okay, so you don't get it. You are. We're big fans. Big fans.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

No, not of you. Of Hunting Wives. We love the show.

[B]

I love the show too.

[A]

Are we allowed to. Cause Shane said don't say anything because people are still watching us.

[B]

Oh, I gave that. I don't care about them. I mean, I love you all for watching it. No, I just feel like if you're. I used to on Scandal. Be so careful with appointment viewing television. Yes, this. I'm sorry guys, but it's been out for like four weeks and I can't. I can't hold it back. Jill is dead and I. I just did it for you.

[A]

And I have talked about it non stop for the last two weeks, so.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

My feeling is if you haven't watched it yet. I told you to watch it.

[B]

Fine.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yes. And it's eight hours. What else are you doing with your summer? Totally.

[A]

Okay, so, you know, we are. We're gonna jump into the lesbian sex.

[B]

Yeah, do it.

[A]

Now, I was wondering if you were disappointed that you didn't have any sex scenes with, like, Britney Snow or Ackerman or even. Who plays Callie? She's hot, too.

[B]

Jamie Ray Newman. One of my best friends in the world.

[A]

Really?

[B]

For 20 years, like, we've been very. I auditioned for Kali to start.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yes. I know. I'm such a Jill. I could never be Cali. Your face just went sideways and confused. I am not right for that role. You know, when I read it and I realized I would not be taking my clothes off, I was wildly relieved.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Now that the show is what it is and it's getting. It has all the buzz, I'm a little bit bummed. But also, I had a great time in Charlotte and, like, ate and drank whatever I want. So, like, whatever, you know.

[A]

I know what you're saying, but, you know, people are obviously being very sexually stimulated watching and watching the show. Probably having sex with their partners, husbands, whatever, right after they watch it. It would have been nice if you could. You know what I mean? One of the people. That people are. You know what I mean?

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I think they were still doing it to her.

[A]

But you're.

[C]

But you're still. Yeah.

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No. I don't know.

[C]

That's sick.

[A]

Not your character. But now that I've met you, I'm thinking you could have absolutely done one of those lesbian sex scenes.

[B]

That's so nice. Well, if we get a season two and my ghost comes back.

[C]

Or flashbacks.

[B]

Or flashbacks when she was exploring her body. Yeah. Jill might get freaky deaky. We don't know. Although I have to say, the backstory I created for her is that she's had sex, like, four times, because. Oh, I know. But why was she so turned on by the breastfeeding of her son?

[C]

Oh, my.

[B]

A disaster.

[A]

Your husband is not you.

[B]

He's not. I think he's done it three, maybe three times.

[A]

He's real uptight. What an asshole that guy was.

[B]

He was. But a wonderful person in real life. He plays a great asshole, though.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know.

[C]

So does Jeff.

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Thank you, Zach.

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You're welcome.

[A]

Appreciate it.

[C]

I'm here for support.

[A]

So your character. Okay, so this is my theory.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You were a standout, right? Everybody was. Everybody really loved the character of Jill.

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Yes.

[B]

Thank you.

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But they killed you off.

[B]

I know.

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So that tells me they don't like you. You're high maintenance. There is some reason you don't take a big character like that and kill her off for no reason.

[B]

She's a diva. Well, clearly, you guys, I am difficult.

[A]

You're high maintenance.

[B]

I'm a horrible human being. When I auditioned for the role, it was a one year deal. I knew in advance before I auditioned for it that Jill was gonna die, which is why I went for Kali, because I wanted to live. And my team and agents also wanted me to have the longevity of the job. So I first auditioned for Callie. Jamie Ray Newman, who ended up getting Callie. We kind of, you know, we're very good friends. We were like, oh, my gosh. It was our first auditions out of the strike, and we were like, oh, my God. We both have this thing and we don't want to compete against each other, but we. Blah, blah, blah. They called me and they said, you're a Jill. Would you remake a new tape for Jill even though she dies? So it was not about my behavior. It was always set in stone that that was the story Rebecca Cutter was telling. But then I got to tell Jamie. Oh, my gosh, you're never gonna believe this, but you're gonna get Callie, and I'm gonna get Jill, and we can move to Charlotte, North Carolina, together. And it was a wonderful, wonderful time.

[A]

I'm gonna call bullshit. I think it's one of those situations where you break up with them before they break up with you. And, oh, I knew I was gonna get fired.

[B]

I'm so not a Cali. I knew I was. I don't even know why I went out for Callie. That's hilarious.

[A]

Well, we want you to know what you sound like.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that's terrible. I work on that. I mean, look there. We never know what's going to happen with the second season. Maybe I could come back. I don't know. I'm still very good friends with everybody. We'll see. But they haven't even had a second season announced. That's crazy, everyone. No, they haven't. I mean, y' all need to take to the. Take to the airway. I don't know, whatever you take to. To make that happen, we have to take to anything.

[A]

It's like number eight on Netflix after four months.

[B]

I think it's. I think.

[A]

Well, no, it jumps around. When I go, It'll be like, 2, 8. But it's always top 10 for months. Yes, it's coming back, but with all the flash forwards, flashbacks, I mean, I would hope they would use you again.

[B]

Thank you.

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Yeah. Oh, they should, because it's like six months prior. But then again, they just have to jump.

[A]

Then again, if they bring in another strong character, I Mean, I mean, goodbye, Jill. People forget.

[B]

They do. They definitely do. And also, like, you know, look, an actor's dream is that you're just so busy. You know what I mean? Like, you want to be on. I want to be available, but you also want to be unavailable because I have so much work. Like that would be ideal.

[A]

Well, Shane had said, oh. Cause I didn't know you until I saw. I know that you have this incredible resume and you do all these, like, voiceovers and everything. And Shane said, oh, I remember her from Scandal. And I said, I don't remember her from Scandal. Probably because I never watched it. So that makes. That makes sense. I don't remember because I never watched it.

[B]

Have you watched it?

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No.

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It's okay. I mean, you can. It's on Netflix now. It holds up.

[A]

Does it really?

[B]

Yes. Just watch the pot, Watt. Give us one. Give us one and see how you feel.

[A]

I cannot get sucked into another show.

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And this one's long. This has like 140 or something episodes. I mean, this is a beast. Like, that show was 22 episodes, you know, for seven years. I mean, it was. It's intense. It's not like the quick eight of Hunting Wives. It's a commitment.

[A]

Do you still get residual checks for that?

[B]

No.

[A]

What?

[B]

I know. Well, Scandal really came about in the time where we went right to Netflix, then Hulu, then back to Netflix. So we just didn't get that. Like, I've heard of this, like, 90s 2000s, like, so you need the money? Oh, yeah. Mommy's gotta work. Mommy's got a house and two kids and like, I'm a hustler, but I was like a waitress and a babysitter and a caterer and a personal assistant before Scandal.

[A]

So, like, I heard you used to work at Ammo.

[B]

Did you used to go there?

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Uh huh.

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Did I put tables on you?

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God, you were terrible.

[B]

No, I was a.

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You were the worst waitress. Yes.

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Oh, I was about to say I was a fucking great waitress.

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No, you were not.

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I was.

[A]

You clearly obviously wanted to do something else.

[B]

Their entire catering department. And I did all.

[A]

They must have been shorthanded.

[B]

And I did all private part. Like I did weddings and I've washed everybody's dishes and da da da, da da. I've been in everybody's house for years until I got Scandal. I mean, before that I'd book like a recurring or a pilot didn't go. And I would be back and forth, but Ammo was the best. All my friends from college, we all worked at the same restaurant. We moved out from New York City and then we all worked in ammo. He's looking at his Celsius.

[A]

Well, I was gonna tell. Do you. Do you have. Do you like Celsius?

[B]

I've never had one.

[A]

Can I tell you, Katie, I'm about to change your life. Taste this.

[B]

Okay. Is it delicious?

[A]

That's the cherry cola. It's better. It's like the new Red Bull.

[B]

Wow.

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No calories, no fat.

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No calories.

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Isn't it good?

[B]

Come on, this is got to give you cancer or something.

[A]

Of course it does. Can you get her some bullet ice, please?

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Everything gives you.

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Do you have any more Celsius in your bat? In your bag?

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Could you imagine?

[B]

No, but I should really try this cuz then you'll all see me have a panic attack. Is there more like 200 milligrams?

[A]

Of what?

[C]

Coffee's about 75.

[B]

Oh shit. I can't drink that. I will be. Goodnight. Goodbye. Good luck. I can't.

[A]

Oh, I gotta ask you something.

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Tell me.

[A]

On your Instagram I saw that you were filming that last scene with who plays star? The girl.

[B]

CHRISSY Metz.

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Yes. 4:00am why? Why are you shooting that late?

[B]

Because we were in a real house and the scene happens at night, so the house has to have only dark coming through the windows. So you start shooting at about 7pm when it starts to get D. This was also in July, so the sun is up later.

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Oh my God.

[B]

So you get to work at seven, you go through hair and makeup. You start shooting at about 9pm and an average workday on a big drama like that is 12 hours. So you're go. I mean if you make it before 7:00am, that's good. Oh, we used to do this on Scandal. I know you've never seen it like all the time.

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I'm take your word for it.

[B]

All the time.

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Night shoots.

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Night shoots.

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That's sucks.

[B]

Fridays you work on a Friday and then you go home at 7am and then you only really get. You sleep like all day Saturday and then Monday you're back in at 4 or 5am it is so crazy.

[A]

I can't do a frater day.

[B]

No, it's.

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I'm too old for that.

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It's really hard.

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You need Celsius for these.

[B]

I just did a night time. We do and I. Celsius didn't exist in the times of Scandal. This is like a new type of drink now.

[A]

It is, it is. No, I just got introduced to this.

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5 years.

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Can I get some more bullet Ice, please, cuz this, this. You got to do that. Are you drinking anything?

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What are you drinking?

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I have cracked out.

[B]

Are you.

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I should not have one.

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You're buzzing.

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Should I be splitting it with someone?

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I would split it with you.

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This is so good. This cherry cola.

[B]

Do you feel high?

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Yes.

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Oh, yeah. I like that feeling. I like riding it. Like, I like the high, but if I start to cross over into panic attack, that's not good. Where my heart is, like. No, I think I need to go to a hospital.

[A]

I can totally breathe.

[B]

Okay, great.

[A]

Everything's good. But I just feel high. You're right. Cause Zach's a former addict.

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Yeah.

[B]

Now she's a.

[C]

She scooches away.

[B]

No, I'm scooching closer. Tell me more.

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I'm just. I'm in recovery. Nine years. I've been sober nine years. But yeah, alcohol and coke.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But this is like liquid cocaine.

[C]

That's like both in one.

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I think I'm gonna be in recovery soon for Celsius.

[B]

Yeah. No, that's a big fall off that. I think people do have them on sets, but I think you should only have one a day.

[A]

Oh, I only do one a day.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Okay. And we're talking about maybe going split seas. I would do split seas.

[A]

We do splitsies all the time. I thought we were the only ones that did split seas.

[C]

I love how jacked up you are right now.

[A]

Yeah. This is a little crazy.

[C]

Very exciting to watch you getting ready.

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For that gay cruise.

[C]

Yeah, I'm performing on a gay cruise in the Greek Isles next week.

[B]

Yeah. Yes, Queen. Where are you going?

[C]

To all the Mykonos for like a full 36 hours and then like.

[B]

And sober.

[C]

Yeah. And they did, you know, they have me. They have AA meetings on cruise ships.

[B]

Oh, that's so great.

[C]

So they'll be like two a day.

[A]

You should go, Katie, since you're not working.

[B]

I know. Totally. I'm so with you. I have so much. Will they pay me?

[C]

You would love.

[A]

Oh, I bet they would.

[B]

If they pay me, I will go. They pay you to do something great in.

[C]

What could she do?

[B]

They paid me for this show. You told me.

[A]

I told you. It's the only way we can get people here.

[B]

Oh, my God, I love it.

[A]

Did you do your own hair and makeup this morning?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's eh.

[C]

No, it's really.

[B]

It's like. Okay. I actually.

[A]

Look, you're actually naturally pretty, so you don't have to have it professionally done.

[B]

You're so sweet. I Do I look way better when it's professionally done. But it has to be a light hand. If it's someone who's professional that's very heavy handed. I look absolutely psychotic. I thought Jill's makeup. I intentionally had her heavy handed in my.

[A]

I'm glad you did that. And with the big hair.

[B]

That was my own hair.

[A]

It made.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

That's your own hair?

[B]

That is my own fucking hair. And wait, how did you get it? Because I've been such a hair journey. I've had two children, I've lost my hair, then grown it back, then lost my hair and growing it back. It's so hormone bullshit. But they just teased the hell out of it. I had people who like were really good at that back comb stuff.

[A]

Those gays.

[B]

They were amazing. And a lot of spray and the humidity in Charlotte helped. Didn't hurt.

[A]

Then how was it?

[C]

Where did the Ackerman wig happen?

[A]

That's a bad wig.

[B]

This is making a lot of news.

[C]

I was Mark safe during the Colin Ackerman.

[B]

I just saw something that was absolutely hysterical. I don't know who said it, but was. But was, you know, rallying for. If we had shot it in la.

[C]

Oh, Tom Lynn.

[B]

This wouldn't have been a problem. And this should help bring production back to Los Angeles because there's a plethora of wig options.

[C]

Oh my God.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, I don't know. I have to say, I. I have been on a lot of shows with a lot of bad wigs. I always am distracted by that. I don't know why. And look, I get whether it's for your character that you're making the wig choice or you just have like hair that can't handle being abused day in, day out like mine obviously can, but. But I don't know. I always see it. I mean, I don't. I don't. I'm never like.

[C]

That's true.

[B]

I always think that I see it. I don't know. Am I wrong? What do you think?

[A]

Just trying to think of all the. Are any of those people on the. Any of those dudes on the hunting wives. Are they single like the sheriff, like the brother?

[B]

Oh, the sheriff is single.

[A]

Gay or straight?

[B]

Straight.

[A]

Okay. I bet. I mean, we got a lot of chumps. We could. Oh yeah, we could set him up. Dick, prick.

[B]

Cock. Yeah, he was straight.

[A]

Sorry about that.

[B]

I loved it. Good morning. He is single. We shot this a year ago. So at the time of filming. Now Phil is DMS and he's a lovely guy. He does A lot of like, breath work and stuff.

[A]

What? What's that?

[B]

I don't know. Like.

[A]

What does that mean?

[B]

Like, I think he does a lot, like. A lot of like.

[A]

Yoga.

[B]

Yeah, Meditation yoga.

[C]

I will say breath work will make you feel high as hell.

[A]

Not as. And I think not as high as.

[B]

I don't know, but I think there's, like, stuff there. I. He's single. Evan Johnite, who played Graham, is. That's Sophie's husband. He's married to Zasha Mamet in real life from Girls.

[C]

Do you know her?

[B]

Yes, they're married. Who else were the guys?

[C]

How old was your son when you filmed?

[B]

Okay, so he's Kiwi. He's from New Zealand. What? Wow. I know.

[C]

Great American accent.

[B]

I know. He did great. Yeah, he is 21 maybe and was a child. He's probably not single now.

[A]

You don't have to say any names, but were there any, like, flirtations going on that you recognized?

[B]

No, no. That's be the horniest set in America.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

I actually think that the more that that's. I've actually. And this is. I have no tea for you. I have only ever been on shows where people are so wildly behaved. I've heard of these shows where people are sleeping with each other and like, there's a lot of, like, emotional affairs. I. I don't know if it's because I've been on are the bosses and women are the leads and women are the showrunners, but that stuff just really hasn't gone on. I'm sorry that it's very boring, but Scandal. There was none inventing Anna. There was none.

[C]

Not even subtle.

[A]

When the men are in charge. Yeah, when the men are in charge.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

It's not behave. But when the women are in charge.

[C]

Yeah, look at this show.

[B]

This is what I'm saying. No, I just. Like there was. It's just not. Or maybe because I'm on shows where there's so much drama in the storyline that everything else is kind of. Look, we had, I would say on hunting wives. We, the women were really into each other as friends, but I also think it was a combo platter of women leaving their kids in LA.

[C]

Oh, girls night.

[B]

Yes. 4am Coyote Joe's is where we went. Where we actually shoot the honky tonk scenes. We did a lot of that. And we also lived in like a Melrose Place scenario where we all had apartments in the same building with a pool in the center.

[C]

That was fun.

[B]

It was a Fucking blast. And I had never left my kids before and learned very quickly that I loved that. How long were you gone? Five months. But I went. No, no. I went back and forth every three days. So I had 13 rounds every three days. So did Cali, Callie, Jamie, Ray, Newman. Who played Callie? We went back and forth. We commuted from Charlotte.

[C]

You live in la.

[B]

I live in la.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

And she does, too. This is what we do for work now. Look at Jeff.

[A]

You're a very dedicated mom.

[B]

Yeah, well, I had them. I mean, I want to do a good job. Okay. You know what I mean? And I had never left them. And honestly, it felt like such a treat to even get three or four days in a row away from them. It felt like a great gift. And then I could. I don't know. It worked for me again. I need four and seven.

[A]

Oh, yeah, they're gonna remember this.

[B]

Oh, they're so damaged. But they're gonna be. Anyway, I'm an actor. My husband's an actor. It's insane and weird and a disaster.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's fine. I wanted to say about the sex scenes, also, keep in mind we're watching them, but they're filming them. And there's a whole set and there's a coordinator.

[C]

It's very procedural.

[A]

Don't ruin it for us.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

Shut up.

[B]

No, it's not sexy at all. It's super stressful.

[A]

No, it's hot. Stop.

[B]

And like. No, I know. I'm sorry. It's not. It's so robotic.

[A]

I really wanted. So there's another comedian that's on the show a lot. She was my first choice to be here today. Sorry, Zach.

[B]

Sorry, Zach. I think you're great. Thanks. We're going on a cruise together.

[C]

This is meant to be.

[B]

Well, because you're being paid well. Fine.

[A]

So Sarah, she is a huge Hunting Wives fan. Now, she told me, you're gonna love this show, but don't watch it on a plane.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Because you look like a big perv.

[C]

Looky lose over the floor.

[B]

Everyone's watching it on a plane.

[A]

I watched it on a plane.

[B]

Oh, you did?

[A]

But I turned my iPad like the wall. Well, the problem is I was in the aisle, so the person to the left of me knew I was a perv.

[B]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

But no one else knew I was a perv. But now, you know they have these privacy screens. Did you know that?

[B]

We all need those.

[A]

I need one.

[B]

Yeah, we all need those. Because I usually watch some, like, sexy, sexy stuff on a plane.

[A]

I don't Want to fast forward it?

[B]

I don't either. Also, I like, you know, the show was made for stars, which is why there's so much sex.

[C]

How does that happen? How did it get switched over?

[B]

No, by Stars. Sorry. Look, Stars has Outlander, Red Queen, Spanish Queen. All these shows where there's a lot of sex and full frontal from everybody. We made it for Stars, so we thought not that many people were going to see it. Stars. It was. Honestly. Sorry. Stars.

[A]

They're the ones that fired you. I had to tell you.

[B]

Yeah, no, but it was a much smaller, I think, global reach, I think. Definitely. Thank you. So Stars and Lionsgate made the show. They had some breakup that I don't understand. And then Lionsgate. And then for a year, we thought the show was never gonna see the light of day.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

We were like, this is. This show's never coming out, which has happened before. Like, that. That is like a thing now. And about six weeks ago, they sell it to Netflix.

[C]

Stop. Happened that fast? No, no.

[B]

And then Netflix. I don't think.

[A]

I mean, they didn't know what they.

[B]

Were buying, I think because we. All our publicists were on. It were like, should we go on? And everyone was like, no, there's no lead time. They just bought it. They're gonna drop it July 21st. They haven't given you any time to do, like, long lead press, so there's no real, like, plan here. Fascinating. And then this just. They just that. And then all of a sudden, no one. Everyone is like, wait, what? This show is for everyone. I can't even begin to tell you. My feed. I was saying to Zach, like, I can't. The demographic was. Was obvious for Scandal. Like, I knew who our fans were, and it was an amazing ride. And this show, my feed is like, conservatives thinking it's like, the best thing ever. Liberals, the same thing. Gay, straight, black, white, young, old, rich, poor. Like, I have all the kids I used to babysit for who are now in their fucking twenties texting me, and we're all horny. Horny.

[A]

Everyone is horny.

[B]

Starved.

[C]

Horny.

[B]

That's the thing that combines us all. That's the thing. Everyone just is like, I think sex starved or something. Yes, it has to be.

[C]

Not me.

[B]

And thank God for Malin, because Molly Colin, who plays Margot, like, I just think she had this other, like. I'm not saying. I don't know. I can't speak for her of how stressed she was about doing sex scenes. I think they're always awkward and uncomfortable and stressful, but She's Swedish. And I just think they have a, like Europeans or whatever. They just have like a different idea around nudity. And as a matter of fact. Oh my, does she not look unbelievable.

[A]

But can I tell you something? At the end, you find, you know, that she's in the. She separated from her husband. I don't want to see her poor.

[C]

Oh, no, she won't be.

[B]

She won't.

[A]

It's my biggest nightmare.

[B]

Don't send her back to that trailer.

[A]

I just don't. I don't want to see her. I mean, I like her rich.

[B]

Yeah, no, we like her rich. She's so beautiful. When we used to. You look broke out inventing Anna. That's the show. She didn't say that line to me. No, no, no. Julia Garner. That line wasn't to me. You look poor. I think she said VIP to me. But when we all would hang out at the pool in Charlotte, I wear like a grandma bathing suit, you know? Cause I'm me and I have two kids. Malin has a kid too. And all of our kids hang out all the time. And Malin can wear anything, obviously.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So she wears gorgeous like bikinis and like her body and she's gold and sun kissed and looks amazing. And my, my, my seven year old son was like, jaw dropped at like seeing a mom that looks like that. And I'm like, I know. She is full on goals. I think it was for the best that I didn't get naked on the hunting line.

[A]

Speaking of lesbians, are you gonna be on Julia Cunningham's show while you're here?

[B]

Who's that? Am I on?

[A]

Oh, I thought she was gonna be on Julia Cunningham's show.

[B]

I just get pointed in different directions.

[A]

Okay, so I was gonna tell you I thought you were doing her show. And I was gonna say she gives a lesbian vibe. But she's not a lesbian. So I just wanted to let you know she does drive a Tiquan. She backs up when she parks. You know, backs in.

[B]

That's. Wow.

[A]

But she's not a lesbian.

[B]

That's a choice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's so difficult. Like I never make that choice unless I have to.

[A]

If you go to P4, all the dudes park that way.

[B]

Ugh.

[A]

And then, and then the girls take up three spots.

[B]

Oh, well, yeah, I did that as well. I absolutely did that.

[A]

What kind of car do you have? Just so we know.

[B]

A minivan.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, that's not hot.

[B]

I know, but I'm not hot. I'm telling you, when you said that you.

[A]

So. You're hotter than you think you are.

[B]

I lead a life of freedom. Here's the problem. I don't care. I drive a fucking minivan.

[A]

What is your husband telling you?

[B]

He tells me I'm hot all the time.

[A]

So why don't you believe it?

[B]

I don't think I have. We've been together 19 years. So I'm just like dead.

[A]

Can I ask you something? Did Kian come down to get you?

[B]

Yeah, he did.

[A]

Okay. Great sign. Kian is one of our only straight guys here.

[B]

He always goes down that Irish name.

[A]

He always goes down and gets the hot girls.

[B]

Oh, Keon, thank you. I did my own hair and makeup. That's. That's so nice. But I drive a minivan. I'm not. I just. I don't know. I've just. I.

[A]

What color is it? White?

[B]

Yes. It's a Kia Carnival. Kia. Are you listening? It's terrible. I know. I'm sorry. What should I drive?

[A]

Something sexier.

[B]

Like what? Oh, Malin rented when we got to. I think she had some cute two seater convertible. She's so hot. I can't. I'm a Jill. I'm a jail.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know if you could pull off the two seater convertible.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

You could pull off a nice suv.

[B]

Porsche Cayenne.

[A]

Oh, that's adorable.

[B]

For you. I would never get that car. I am not. I mean, I love you, but like. No, I don't do cars and back. I do trips, I do hotel. I just don't spend. I don't care. I'm from New York. I don't give a shit about cars.

[A]

You're gonna make a lot of money.

[B]

You think?

[A]

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[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Not in real life, though. So, Zach, do you want to.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Like, she's asking me, how did it come on?

[B]

Yeah. We're talking about dating. So Zach will be. Katie. Jeff, say that you're single.

[A]

I'm single.

[B]

What? No, I said no, I said. I said, how? How?

[A]

And then I was like, oh, damn. I thought she was a good actress.

[B]

But I really do feel like that.

[A]

And then you said, yeah, you get to know him.

[C]

Yeah. You don't know him well enough yet.

[B]

Is it that you're set in your ways, so it's hard for you to collaborate with someone else?

[A]

I keep meeting nice people that don't live here.

[B]

Oh, shit.

[A]

And so that's the problem. I've met two. Really?

[C]

It's hard.

[A]

It's hard. Long distance.

[B]

It is. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I've met two really great people that don't live here. I can't meet anybody in LA.

[B]

LA's gotta be tough. I mean, I've been with my husband for 19 years. I can't even. My friends who were dating. It sounds absolutely horrific. I can't even wait. Why can't you do someone long distance? I think that sounds so sexy.

[A]

I mean, it is. It starts off really great and then it becomes more difficult.

[B]

Right, right, right, right.

[C]

And then you're like, is this worth a plane trip every other week?

[A]

It's a lot.

[C]

It's like you visiting your kids. Is it worth it?

[A]

I'm surprised you kept up that three days. I. I guarantee the three. The three days lasted about two weeks.

[B]

No, it didn't. Say again, you think I'm a bad actress. My kids, I mean, okay, there was one time I stretched it to two weeks, but it's because I coupled in like a New York City Broadway trip into it. I went and like, did all my. Like fills me up.

[A]

Wait a minute, I'm. Wait a minute. So you weren't working in New York?

[B]

No. Oh, well, actually, no, that's not true. I did have a job in New York also.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Uh huh. How long was that job? A day?

[B]

Three days.

[A]

And then you stayed in a.

[B]

And then I stayed for like three more days. And I partied with my New York City book club and I go to all my gay nightclubs and I dance really, really hard and then I sometimes throw in, I co host with Kelly and Mark or Kelly and Ryan when it was that. And then. Oh, wow. And then I see like as many Broadway shows as possible and.

[A]

Okay. I guarantee if you really start questioning her.

[C]

Yeah. There's holes in there. There's holes in there.

[A]

So many.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Okay, so this is why I think you're gonna. I mean, look, you already blew you already. You've already worked a lot and you've been very successful. This platform is unbelievable. A little. And the kind of attention that you are getting now.

[B]

The Jeff Lewis show, unfortunately.

[A]

No. Talk about. I'm talking about the Netflix hunting Wives. I will say, I have noticed your publicists are good.

[B]

Yeah, they are.

[A]

The fact you are everywhere. And I noticed that your co stars are not.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Which tells me that you have the best publicity firm.

[B]

No, no, they're everywhere too. I mean, Britney Snow is like, whoa. And Marlon too.

[A]

But you've been doing everything so. To the point where it's probably because.

[B]

My character's dead and I have to hustle for another job and they don't.

[A]

Maybe.

[C]

That's so funny.

[A]

But it's okay because you're gonna land in another great place now as a result of all the attention you're getting now. Bringing it back to me.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I have a couple new projects coming up and I thought, I want that. I mean, if they'll take me, I want that publicity firm.

[B]

Oh, they're amazing.

[A]

No, no, they're good.

[B]

They're the best of the best. But I'm their like, smallest chicken or whatever. Is that the.

[A]

Well, I'm about to be. I'm about to be their smallest chicken.

[B]

I'm the smallest chicken because I've them for a billion years and they just kind of keep me along because they.

[A]

Think like your charity work.

[B]

Yes, because they're also, like, Austin Butler, Emma Stone, like, all the big dogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're. Yeah, Big chickens.

[A]

Bach bop. Do they need another little chicken?

[B]

Yeah, call them. They would love. They also love, like, they'll do charity cases if they really love you as a person. And, like, what's not to love?

[C]

Is there another angle? And you just need to stick around a little bit.

[A]

Now, is it true, Zach, that you're being blackmailed by someone on the apps?

[C]

Yes, I do send my nudes out too much. It's like a bed Bathing beyond coupon situation. But I made planes with this guy, met on Grindr to hang out, and he's like, yeah, let me get your cell phone number so we can text. And I did that. And he's like, okay, is it cool if I come over? And I was like, yeah, all set. And he goes goes, do you mind if I post these on Facebook first? And then he sent me a screenshot of a collage of all my nudes with my face picture mixed in.

[B]

Is that allowed?

[C]

I mean, not really, but I went, huh? And he goes, yeah, I'm going to post these on Facebook. What happens next is up to you.

[A]

What the fuck?

[C]

And then I blocked.

[B]

For money.

[C]

Well, I blocked him, okay. And then he hit me up on WhatsApp, and he was like, I'm sending this to your coworkers, friends, and family. And then he sent.

[B]

We've already seen him. I literally have fun. He hasn't go for it.

[C]

They've been in circulation for years. And he was also, like. He was pulling up my Facebook presence, and I'm like, well, you can post anything on Facebook. I don't care. No one's gonna see it there. But yeah, and then I blocked him there too. I know.

[B]

Wait, so I know someone else that that happened to.

[C]

Well, did they succumb to it?

[B]

They did.

[C]

Oh. You see, I just was like, what. What's in it for them if I. If I ignore that? You know what I mean? Like, they can post it, but it's like. Like, that's revenge porn. I look good in the nudes. Okay.

[B]

Like, is your head on the naked body? Oh.

[A]

So, Katie, I will tell you. He has a really nice ass.

[C]

I have a cute butt.

[A]

If your ass.

[C]

It's little, but it's good.

[A]

If your ass picks got out there, that could help.

[C]

I think so too.

[A]

It could help your career. I honestly. You should put them on Facebook yourself.

[B]

I'll do it.

[C]

I'm sure this cruise is Going to do it.

[A]

Yeah. That's really scary.

[C]

I was shaken as it was happening, but then I was like, like. I mean, I'm scared because the person does have my address, which. But not my apartment number. So that's kind of.

[B]

Do you have their information?

[C]

I have their cell phone, but like.

[B]

Do you know who they are?

[C]

Well, no. Oh, my God. This is the worst part.

[B]

What?

[C]

Cause he was mid. He was like not a hot, hot, hot guy. He was like a regular looking guy.

[A]

Like an average guy.

[B]

Yes. Wait, how do we know it's really. It's probably not even that person though, right? It's some sort of like. But I got catfished by a Sims. Yeah. Yeah. I. That's crazy.

[A]

It is crazy.

[C]

No one safe.

[B]

No one say you gotta hook up with an uggo.

[A]

So you never even met with him. You guys were just kind of flirting and then you sent photos.

[C]

We both sent nudes.

[A]

And then he blackmailed you.

[C]

Yeah. And I'm assuming it's not a bisexual man from San Francisco who's visiting for the weekend. Why don't his pics. I have no clue back. Because that's not even him.

[A]

What if it's.

[B]

I don't think it's not him. It's not. Oh, I just got the front.

[C]

He's probably using my pictures now to maybe catfish someone else.

[A]

You know what we should do?

[B]

It's like a pass along the.

[C]

It's a pyramid scheme.

[A]

Katie needs a job. Maybe we should post her pics.

[B]

Yeah. Go for it. Go for it. Yeah.

[A]

I bet your publicist would say yes. You look good today.

[B]

Yeah, thank you. I don't know what's happening under the Spanx, but you know what I mean, we have a.

[A]

What did we call it? Is it a. What do they call it? Mother room? What do we call it here?

[B]

Oh, a nursing room. I nursed for three years.

[A]

Did you ever use a nursing room?

[B]

No. I always did that and shit in public.

[A]

Hell yeah.

[B]

Hell yeah. I don't give. I was like, I don't care.

[A]

Speaking of pervs and creeps, we've got a nursing room here and we don't have anybody who's pregnant or has babies breastfeeding. But yet there's lotion in there and Kleenex.

[B]

Wow. So we know what's really going on in there.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

You know what?

[C]

There's some nursing happen.

[B]

Wow. Good morning.

[C]

She's slowly falling out of love with her.

[B]

No. I'm so into it. I just wish I had had a cocktail. I'm like Good Lord, it's a lot for a Monday. Maybe if it was a Tuesday. No, I'm here for it. Also, these nursing rooms, I mean I get. I hope women use them if they want to or whoever. I guess no woman's using them in this building. This is just where men go to jerk off or.

[A]

No, no, it is.

[B]

They watch the Hunting Wives.

[C]

Yeah, it's the Hunting Wives room.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

Do we have a TV in there?

[B]

There.

[A]

We need a tv.

[C]

We need a TV in there. I think just Hunting Wives on loop.

[A]

So what are you. What else are you doing here today? Because you look nice. I mean, obviously it's not. You didn't just dress up for Jeff Lewis Live.

[B]

I did.

[A]

No, you didn't.

[B]

This is all for you.

[A]

Where are you going after this?

[B]

I don't know. They tell me they I do thing.

[C]

That's a 20 minute interview that's happening in the building.

[B]

Do you come with me?

[C]

No, I'm just. I just.

[A]

I thought she was doing a show called like the Bomb, the blast, something.

[C]

Yeah, if you're doing the Boost.

[A]

The Boost?

[B]

The Bomb. They just send me around.

[C]

It's Boost Mobile's hot.

[A]

I've never even heard of it.

[B]

The Boost.

[A]

Is that a new show?

[B]

I just go where they tell me and I hope like this wasn't trying. I mean, I tried a little bit.

[A]

Okay. I don't know about the blast or the Boost. The Boost. I don't even know. I've never even heard of it. Where do they work?

[B]

It's on Canada talks.

[A]

Where's their studio? On P4.

[B]

Canada. In my mini though.

[C]

She's gonna zoom into Canada.

[A]

Oh, that's good for you.

[B]

Oh, that's what's happening. I don't know.

[C]

Are most interview more boring than this?

[A]

This is pretty boring.

[B]

No. Oh no. Am I not holding up an end of my fourth.

[A]

No, not. You're not boring.

[B]

I'm boring. Oh my God. You're not. No, no. Most interviews are so pg.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Aren't you being PG about my best behavior today?

[B]

We toned it down for you. First of all, there is literal like lubed up, jerk off sound effects happening. There's a song that went troll for dick. We've talked about your butt.

[C]

Y.

[B]

We've talked about.

[A]

Give a picture of it.

[C]

PG stands for pretty gay.

[B]

So like no, this is not what interviews are like that I'm ever on.

[A]

Does your husband Adam have a nice butt?

[B]

Oh, it's so delicious.

[A]

Really delicious.

[C]

She'd be eating.

[A]

Be careful. You'll get a style.

[B]

I know. Careful. I. Oh, no, I have one. Oh, I see. It feels like a freckle. I think styes are fecal matter, though. That's Pink Guy. Pink Guy is like duty and farts but.

[A]

I can't get rid of.

[B]

My husband's butt is so great because it's, like, really muscular and up and, like, juicy and big, which is how I like it.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And we've been together 19 years. I have to say, it was better in the years he was like a marathon runner. He blew out his knee, and so it's kind of dropped. Yeah. He's so hot. Look at him.

[C]

I thought that was going to be a picture of my butt. I can't even.

[B]

Isn't he just the. He's the. He's also my. I mean, he's absolutely hilarious and an actor. And he was on the bear the whole time I was shooting Hunting Wives. We had to pass the children off in the airport.

[A]

I heard something about that.

[B]

Yeah. Like, he flew the kids to Charlotte. I picked them up in the airport, and then he got on the next flight to Chicago.

[C]

You just, like, check them.

[A]

Is that where Owen shoots the bear in Chicago?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wait, so how many seasons of the Bear?

[B]

Four.

[A]

I've. I watched all of season one. I need to check back in season two.

[B]

It's very stressful. I worked in. I'm sure. I. I worked in restaurants for a very long time. I, like, can't take it, but I'm sorry I interrupted you.

[A]

What were you just watching all those people work so hard like you did. Not at Ammo.

[B]

Like, Hunting Wives is more. I worked so hard at Ammo. Damn it. I worked my ass off and I waited on everybody. And I will have you know, I wish that computer system still existed because of. We just wrote in the notes section on anyone who ever made a reservation at that place what they were really like and how they tipped.

[A]

I hopefully get.

[C]

Oh, I bet you do.

[A]

I tip well to make up for.

[B]

The high how you act. Okay. Yeah. But at least you're funny. Like, even if you're being high maintenance.

[C]

I think you're funny out in the wild.

[B]

It's cute here.

[A]

Where are the pictures of. If you don't have a picture, we'll look it up. Facebook.

[C]

But this is where it does cross a line into hr. But I had this. I printed this for Jeff's birthday.

[B]

Wow. That's unbelievable.

[A]

It's a great ass.

[B]

It's really great.

[A]

Isn't a great ass.

[B]

It looks really good. It looks Very good.

[A]

And that's not touched up.

[C]

No, that's touched up.

[B]

Honey, that looks great.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

That's so great.

[C]

It definitely. It does the trick. It gets the job done.

[B]

It looks really good.

[C]

Thanks.

[A]

Now, is it true that you had a second date? Was this with a celebrity?

[C]

No, the celebrity I. We have.

[B]

Are we not naming the celebrity?

[C]

Yeah, it's not. It's not a safe space. And you'll get that soon. Okay.

[A]

It might be too late by the time she gets it.

[B]

But I was the celebrity going on the cruise.

[C]

No, no, the celebrity's not even, like, out.

[B]

Oh, that's sad.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, it is.

[B]

That's so dumb.

[A]

So then who did you have the second date with?

[C]

Just a tall, skinny man. Graphic designer.

[A]

I heard he was 18 minutes late.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

How do you feel about. Well, you haven't gone on a date in forever.

[B]

I have not.

[C]

He was 18.

[B]

I would say that's a no, though. I am so fucking not into people late.

[A]

I feel like you'd wait hours.

[B]

I don't. I hate it. It's so rude.

[C]

So disrespectful.

[B]

Also, 18 minutes is very long. Like, I can. I can understand five.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

But like 20 minutes?

[C]

I'm an early bird. I'm texting him at 6:53. Might be a couple minutes tardy because we were meeting at 7. I get there at 6. 59, he's like, all good. I made an error to on my way 18 minutes later. I know.

[B]

Is he hot, though? Is he funny?

[C]

Not hot enough to keep me waiting.

[A]

And you haven't even kissed yet, right?

[C]

No.

[A]

What is this?

[C]

I know.

[A]

After two days.

[C]

No, I know the first.

[A]

Show him that picture.

[C]

The first day was a coffee date.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

So I kind of understood daytime. But we lingered after the hug and the goodbye there was lingering, like Oscar does.

[A]

He's. Thank God.

[C]

Katie lurking.

[A]

Oscar's not here today.

[B]

I can't wait.

[A]

No, no, no, no. He's.

[C]

Our Oscar is a sweetie pie.

[A]

Okay, so Jared's filling in for Oscar. Oscar's gone this week. Katie. Oscar lingers and hovers right by the door to hug everyone.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

No, you don't want it.

[B]

I'm a hugger.

[A]

I like that you think that now, but go ahead.

[C]

I liked hugging, too.

[A]

I think you're done. If he doesn't kiss her to the door.

[C]

Oh, yeah, no, I'm done. I'm done.

[B]

I'm done.

[C]

I'm done. I mean, I don't believe it.

[A]

I'd rather grow up. I'd rather Grow up. A guy that's blackmailing you.

[B]

At least I think you're going to find a lot of love on the boot. On the boat, maybe.

[C]

I think it's going to be older, sophisticated daddies love that. Yes, I do too.

[B]

Also, you're the star of the ship. I mean, you're performing. That's so hot.

[C]

If I do well, it'll be good.

[B]

You're going to do great.

[C]

I hope so. I know if I bomb, you're getting well.

[A]

Last time he forgot his medication.

[C]

Oh my God. He forgot. My antidepressants.

[B]

Do not do that.

[C]

But a chump came through and got me.

[A]

You can't be a comedian. How to take your antidepressants?

[C]

Wellbutrin and Zoloft Loft. Oh, are you on? Oh, yeah.

[B]

I was on Zoloft for years. I haven't been on it though, for a while.

[C]

Oh, good for you.

[A]

You might need it again soon.

[C]

You'll need it after this show.

[B]

Okay. Okay. But I love that. Oh my God. Saved my lifesaver. Oh, my God. Best thing I ever did.

[C]

I'm glad you don't need.

[A]

Why did you take antidepressants?

[B]

I had horrible postpartum depression.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Like very bad. Yeah.

[A]

Those kids will do it to you. I had it too.

[B]

No. Oh, you. Yeah. Men can get it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like they absolutely.

[A]

Why are you laughing, asshole? I did.

[B]

They really can.

[A]

It was like, what have I done? I ruined my life.

[B]

Of course, I did not have it with my first. I had it in my second. Interesting.

[C]

Wait, I didn't know was that I regret having the baby. Depression. I thought it was like I miss having it inside me.

[B]

No, it's not. It's not regret. It's like. It's like nothing makes sense. You can't function. You can't. If it's real, you can have postpartum blues, which might. Might have been what you had. I don't know that.

[A]

Why are you minimizing what I had?

[B]

I don't. I don't. That's a lot. No, I'm just gonna explain. I can't tell if you're joking or you're being serious.

[A]

Oh, I was really like.

[B]

Oh, you were.

[A]

I should. The break. If I can find it. I have to show you.

[B]

No, I know men who are really.

[A]

Sick of me holding her and being like, I look terrified.

[B]

That's scary. It's very scary.

[A]

And so like haggard.

[C]

And you're holding it like this.

[A]

I mean, I honestly was afraid to hold her for months.

[B]

That's okay.

[A]

I was Afraid I'd break her?

[B]

Yeah, it's hard. It's really scary.

[A]

Also, want to mention you can check out Katie Lowe's on whatever the fuck. The Blast, the Boost. What is she on Whatever fucking show that is no one's ever heard of, but you can check her out. That.

[B]

I think it's in Canada.

[A]

Oh. So if you're in Canada. Okay.

[B]

A boat. Sorry.

[A]

And so you're going to walk in. We were talking. You're going to walk in.

[B]

I'm be so warmed up. I'm going be ready to talk about Dick with all. With all the Canadians. Canada Afternoon drive. Dick. Whatever that song is.

[C]

It's really Canada's NRA scheduling program.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. No, I feel very warmed up. I did not know this was the show we were getting into today. Apologies. Now, I'm a big fan. I'm going to listen to this. This is very funny.

[A]

Now, I warned you. Did I not warn you? I said, do you know what you're getting into?

[B]

No.

[A]

And you said, no. Which is better. I think it's better. See, this is again why I like your publicists. They're smart. They didn't have you listen to the show because you probably would have prepared.

[B]

Some stuff that would have tanked or.

[A]

Or canceled.

[B]

Or canceled. No, I would never have canceled. I just ride in. I'm ready to get on this cruise.

[C]

Please come. I would die. That would be so fun for me.

[A]

All right, we just checked the Next Net Netflix page homepage and Hunting Wives right now is number six.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

How long has it been on Netflix?

[C]

A month.

[B]

A month.

[A]

That's huge.

[B]

Longer than a month, I think. Or month.

[A]

8 episodes. Check it out on Netflix. You will not regret it. You'll see Katie Lowe's clothed. Yes, thank God.

[C]

Get a privacy screen for your iPad.

[B]

I was the perv watching it on the plane yesterday. A little uncomfortable.

[A]

Yeah, because you were sitting next to an old dude, to a straight guy.

[B]

Who kept peeking over. Yeah, but you're welcome to that guy. Obviously, at the beginning when the show came out, people were mortified and sort of saying to me quietly under their breath, like, it's porn. I saw your show. And now that we're in week four, people are so, like, proud about it. So you're fine flashing in.

[A]

Did you find that he would look over when Malon was on the screen? And then what happened when Jill came on suddenly?

[B]

He had a great game of solitary.

[C]

I. You were so nice to her at the beginning of the show.

[B]

And I know where you said okay.

[C]

And now you're gonna.

[B]

No, it's good.

[C]

It's good.

[A]

We're getting to know each other's love.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I do want to ask you a somewhat serious question just because I was curious. So your character, which was so dead on, did you take inspiration from somebody? Because I always hear sometimes, yeah, a real housewife or whatever. Like.

[B]

Yes. No.

[A]

No. Okay.

[B]

No. I just know a lot of helicopter moms who are too involved in their kids life and their own personal life is so, so horrible that they get their wires crossed and they put it all in their son. I just took that to like the nth degree.

[A]

But it's not even that. It's like the accent, the mannerisms, the like, where did you. Where did you get. I mean, it was very believable. Like I was buying it, like character. But here's the thing.

[C]

He's like, no, it can't. I went to school.

[B]

The art.

[A]

No, it's not that.

[C]

It's some. You studied someone.

[B]

I went to the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts. It's not that. You must just have, like, watched the Real Housewives. That's what you think I did to.

[C]

Prepare for this role?

[B]

I mean, Housewives of Dallas.

[A]

Dallas.

[B]

Two seasons. Get it? So I'm sure I've never seen any of those shows, so I don't know. But I'm like a real actor, Jeff.

[A]

Because the accent, it wasn't overdone. It wasn't underdone. It was like perfect. You got it from somebody.

[C]

Her coaches, her. Millions of professors and coaches.

[B]

I do have an acting.

[A]

Oh, you do?

[B]

Yeah. She's incredible. Her name is Nancy Banks.

[A]

You got a great team ahead of.

[B]

I know. Between her and the publicist. You got it. Jeff, come on. I could help you out.

[A]

Do you find that it's hard now? I mean, you broke the character, right? So did you talk like her for weeks afterwards?

[B]

Yes. I was so annoying. I was so freaking annoying. I was going around Charlotte talking like that. I mean, I don't want to. I'm not like a method actor, but. But I was talking in the accent a lot, which is so dumb.

[A]

Now you are married to. Also we talked about. To an actor, notably on the Bear. We only have two minutes. Jameson has what's called a one headshot.

[B]

Rule or a no headshot rule. Like you can't date someone with a headshot. Neither.

[A]

No actors.

[B]

Neither. And you both. Yeah. Oh, I see both of you dated headshots.

[A]

You're lucky you're both working because right now, if your husband wasn't on a hit show and you were on a hit show.

[B]

Jeff, we've been together for 19 years.

[A]

How does that work?

[B]

He's been up, I've been down. I've been up, he's been down. I've dated only actors. Most of them are pretty masochist. Most of them have been. I have to say this is why this one works and you have to have him on because he's the best.

[A]

But his penis?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And his ass.

[B]

The tight hat. Yes.

[A]

Make sure to tell the blast beyond.

[B]

That, it's that all the other actors, we don't talk like we. He's a really positive glass half full type of Every actor I've ever dated has been really dark and fucked up and I loved that. And I did not marry that type of actor. I dated like. Like a funny. He does a lot of stuff that he's good at. I don't know, am I making any sense?

[A]

Yeah, I'm kind of buying it too.

[B]

Like you do like oh my God, I do think he's her best acting episode. Our couple's therapist says, do you like 80% of him? And I'm like I do. And they say that's great. And I'm like woohoo.

[A]

You really are a good actress. Katie, I gotta hand it to you. Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis Live every weekday on SiriusXM as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel exclusively on the SiriusXM app.

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