Kiki Monique & Ryan Bailey: Bloggers & Conflict

Summary

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Jeff Lewis Has Issues: "Kiki Monique & Ryan Bailey: Bloggers & Conflict"

Podcast: Jeff Lewis Has Issues
Date: September 10, 2025
Guests: Kiki Monique, Ryan Bailey
Main Theme: The intersection of bloggers/content creators and Real Housewives drama, focusing on current conflict and evolving transparency in Bravo shows.

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Episode Overview

This lively episode features pop culture commentator Kiki Monique and podcaster Ryan Bailey as they join Jeff Lewis to dissect the swirling drama on Real Housewives of Orange County Season 19. The trio deep dives into the increasingly influential role of bloggers and content creators within Bravo universes, how off-camera relationships bleed into on-camera storylines, the reality of behind-the-scenes alliances, and the ways conflict plays out publicly and privately. As always, Jeff brings candor and biting humor to everything from Bravo’s production policies to interpersonal beefs in the influencer sphere.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bloggers, Brand-Building, and Bravo Culture

• Kiki’s Growing Role: The group jokes about how Kiki Monique’s name is incessantly mentioned on RHOC, with the running theory being producers reward cast members for dropping her full name.
  • Quote, Kiki: “I was totally shit-faced.” ([02:21])
• Derogatory 'Blogger' Label: Both Kiki and Ryan discuss how being called a “blogger” can feel both outdated and demeaned within Bravo circles, even though their real jobs are more complex (“content creator,” “culture caster,” etc.)
  • Ryan: “Bloggers feel like 2012… What do we call ourselves?” ([03:17])
• Changing Transparency: There’s an acknowledged shift toward breaking the fourth wall, openly discussing reunions, producers, and the mechanics of reality TV.
  • Connie: “It’s nice that we’re all mentioning it and even mentioning the cameras. It’s an evolution of Housewives.” ([05:37])

2. The Gretchen/Katie/Kiki Drama Breakdown

(Key segment: [08:25]–[17:47])

• Background: At a dinner, Gretchen recounted a (possibly) traumatic event years ago, claiming she might’ve been drugged at a party. This is later told to Kiki by new Housewife Katie Janella in a casual, friendly context.
• How the Rumor Spread:
  • Kiki describes how she, as both fan and commentator, tried to verify Gretchen’s hospital story through off-record conversations with legacy journalists, not intending for it to surface as a major plot point.
  • Kiki feels betrayed when Katie accuses her of leaking information and lying, though Kiki insists she simply tried to clarify truth and assumed their conversation was private.
• Kiki’s Verdict:
  • “I just wanted out of it. So just say you told me, because… now I feel like I have to, like…” ([18:37])
• Slade’s Involvement: Slade allegedly tried to spin or suppress details, advising others not to speak.
• Telephone Game: Jeff notes, “It could be that, y’know, it’s like the game of telephone… an easy slip.” ([15:07])
• On Taking Sides: Kiki felt forced on camera to defend herself to avoid others controlling her narrative.

3. Off-the-Record, Leaks & Trust Among Journalists

• The Dave Quinn Factor: Kiki’s off-the-record conversation with journalist Dave Quinn ended up fueling on-screen drama, leading to a broader discussion of trust in the reality TV 'blogger' community.
  • Jeff: “Dave Quinn… I actually liked him in the beginning… then he turned on me…” ([18:04])
• Lessons Learned: Kiki recognizes the importance and limits of off-record trust even among colleagues.

4. Housewife Strategies & Production Tension

(Key discussion: [31:22]–[36:56])

• Power Dynamics:
  • Jeff and guests argue that Bravo/producers sometimes grant too much leverage to veteran Housewives, letting them dictate terms (e.g., refusing to film with others), which can dampen show energy.
    • “Sometimes you have to put people on pause for a season…” – Jeff ([32:08])
• Support for Accountability: Both Kiki and Ryan feel reality stars must be reminded they’re replaceable if they hold storylines—and the production—hostage.

5. Audience Perception, Authenticity, and Friendship

• True/False Conflicts: The audience can sense when feuds are contrived for story or rooted in real emotion.
  • “You can win the scene, but you can lose the audience.” – Ryan ([34:31])
• Shannon vs. Tamara Rift: Jeff tries to parse why some conflicts never resolve, noting Shannon’s tendency to hold grudges and Tamara’s calculated moves.
• Preference for Real Connections: Jeff and guests praise genuine Housewives alliances (Marisol/Alexia), showing increasing viewer fatigue with endlessly toxic dynamics.
  • “Every season it feels like… ‘Who can I knock off this cast?’” – Ryan ([24:42])

6. Real Life vs. On-Camera Personas

• Gina, Authenticity, & Judgement:
  • The group debates “thirstiness” and authenticity in cast members, with some (Gina) seen as trying too hard yet also building real relationships.
  • Jeff on Gina: “I just don’t like Gina. But… her and Emily have an authentic friendship.” ([25:30])
• Social Media Fallout: Kiki, blocked by Katie, retaliates by blocking Katie’s whole family.
  • Kiki: “I’m petty. So I went and I blocked her husband and all her kids.” ([26:10])

7. Producer Dynamics & Show Management

• Behind-the-Scenes Tensions: Jeff addresses his own staff on-air, discussing the importance of letting guests be candid and not squashing lively debate.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Kiki Drinking Game:
  • Kiki: “I was totally shit-faced.” ([02:21])
• On Bogus Blogger Slander:
  • Kiki: “In the Bravo world, [‘blogger’] is meant to be like a slander.” ([03:00])
• On Housewife Strategy:
  • Jeff: “Sometimes you have to put people on pause for a season or two so that way they can appreciate the situation.” ([32:08])
• On The Spilled Secret:
  • Kiki: “I think I deserve an apology. Just admit it and just apologize.” ([26:22])
• On Crossing the Line:
  • Kiki: “Now I feel like I have to [defend myself on camera]… or let the narrative play out how it was and have people say whatever they want about me.” ([17:28])
• Regarding Off-Record Trust:
  • Jeff: “You thought you were safe telling another fellow journalist—you were not.” ([39:00])
• On Authenticity:
  • Ryan: “You can win the scene, but you can lose the audience.” ([34:31])
• On Shannon’s Emotions:
  • Jeff: “She’s not playing a game… so if you hurt her, it is very hard for her to get over that because she takes it all so personally.” ([35:13])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:12] – Kiki and Jeff riff on drama, blogger labels, and the “full name” drinking game.
• [05:00] – Discussion on breaking the fourth wall, transparency, and the new reality TV landscape.
• [08:25]–[17:47] – Deep dive into the Gretchen/Katie/Kiki hospital rumor, phone games, leaks, and journalist trust.
• [26:07] – Kiki comically admits to blocking Katie’s whole family on social media.
• [31:22]–[36:56] – Talk turns to production and talent power dynamics.
• [34:31] – On the dangers of group booting (audience empathy and backlash).
• [35:13]–[35:52] – Discussion about Shannon’s reactive nature and authenticity.
• [39:00] – Lessons on off-the-record conversations in the influencer/content creator world.

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

• Playful, gossipy, and unapologetically candid, with Jeff steering honest debates about both on- and off-camera Real Housewives machinations.
• Kiki Monique provides inside context on the blogger-to-reality-star pipeline, the hazards of off-record intel, and the emotional toll of public conflict.
• The episode is both a behind-the-scenes look at reality TV storytelling and a cautionary tale about trust, alliances, and the ever-shifting lines between fans, journalists, and cast members.

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Recommended If You…

• Follow RHOC or Bravo culture and want backstory on the season’s meta-conflicts.
• Enjoy candid discussions about production, fame, social media, and evolving realities on reality TV.
• Are curious about how influencer and blogger drama becomes national TV storylines.

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Transcript

[Jeff Lewis]

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[Kiki Monique]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[Jeff Lewis]

Doug said it was dumb, but maybe I'm dumb because I enjoy it. Maybe I'm just talking about the news. We don't talk about the news here.

[Kiki Monique]

No, just sex.

[Jeff Lewis]

There's gotta be that one actor or actress that nobody likes. Cause we have that here.

[Kiki Monique]

Oh my God.

[Ad Voice]

Who is it?

[Ryan Bailey]

Me.

[Kiki Monique]

Jeff Lewis has.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, it's Jeff Lewis and I have issues. In today's episode, Kiki Monique and Ryan Bailey join the show. Keke gives her side of the storyline currently airing on the Real Housewives of Orange County. Plus we talk about bloggers and conflict resolution. Wow, the girl of the moment is here.

[Dorinda Medley]

Truly, Ryan Bailey.

[Jeff Lewis]

If you are watching Real Housewives of Orange County Season 19, you would know that Kiki Monique plays a huge role this season.

[Ryan Bailey]

Huge.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, it's like the entire plot line is around Kiki Monique.

[Ryan Bailey]

I have a theory that they, the housewives get bonuses for saying her full name. Because it's never just Kiki. It's Kiki Monique.

[Dorinda Medley]

Kiki Monique.

[Jeff Lewis]

Monique. I saw on your Instagram you were playing a game, which was I found very funny. Every time they say your name on Real Housewives Orange county, you drink. You must have been shit faced.

[Kiki Monique]

I was totally shit faced.

[Ryan Bailey]

I mean I mean, not naked wasted, but you were, you were shit faced.

[Kiki Monique]

I was close to naked wasted. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Um, so is it every episode?

[Ryan Bailey]

I feel like every episode at this point, I feel like. And that's what it cracks me up. Cause it's never just the first name. It's always Kiki Monique, which I think is great publicity for you. It's like it's building that brand. Yeah. But it's just bring you on as a full time cast member at this.

[Jeff Lewis]

Point I do need to ask you because it feels like the way they say it is derogatory. But if they call you bloggers, both of you, if they call you bloggers, is that insulting?

[Kiki Monique]

Here's the thing. I don't want to insult the blogger community because I think there's probably amazing food bloggers and all sorts of things out there. I don't know, I just think it makes you sound very dated because like blogs aren't a thing anymore. We've evolved and so. But in the Bravo world, it is meant to be like a slander.

[Ryan Bailey]

So I get confused about that myself because like yeah, bloggers like 2012 or like the Perez Hiltons or the D listed. And then I'm like, wait, what, what am I? You know, like you, I'm like, okay, journalists, you do reality checked. But I'm like a content creator. Feels weird. I'm not Micha Angelo. I'm making memes. What do we call ourselves?

[Kiki Monique]

I and I had that I asked people like, what would I call myself if not this? You know, they were like, if you were part of like, you know, Matt Rogers, Bowen Yang, you'd be a culturista. Like, you know, and I'm like, I feel like culture caster, someone said. And I'm just like, I don't know, I'm in this weird in between.

[Jeff Lewis]

But don't you think whatever we would call Kiki, we wouldn't call Ryan the same thing.

[Ryan Bailey]

See that the way that, that that's the kind of derogatory behavior that they're showing to her. Kiki on oc, what you just did to me right now.

[Jeff Lewis]

So we should break it down for the people that are necessarily watch.

[Dorinda Medley]

People that are watching, that are confused.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, truly, it is really confused.

[Ryan Bailey]

You need a primer for this season.

[Kiki Monique]

And I understand that. And that's why, you know, there are people who don't spend any time online and they don't know who I am and so they're just like, who is this girl inserting herself? And so it gets weird. But I'm Kind of like, do we evolve to start including this because this is part of the Bravo culture now, or, like, do we push it out? I don't know.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, on one hand, you know, initially, you and I were talking about it, Shane, where getting, like, myself involved in these housewife shows or you guys involved podcasters, bloggers, whatever. You know, on one hand, you know, initially I didn't like it. I thought this should not be a storyline. But it is. It is actually very authentic because what is happening is these. If you say something, Ryan, and you say that, you know, so your source is Katie Janela, it is dividing these girls, and you have to explain it on the show. So my feeling is initially, you know, I didn't like it, but now it totally makes sense and you have to include it if you're really going to tell the honest story.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah, well, I think there's now this, like, 360 viewing experience with Bravo shows where, like, it's not just the show, it's also the podcast. It's also the memes that are made. And then all the content is getting pulled from memes and radio shows and podcasts. So it gets a little weird for, like you said, the audience that doesn't pay attention to any of that, it gets a little old.

[Dorinda Medley]

Next year, all the seasons are all going to be about what was happened at bravocon.

[Ryan Bailey]

No. They're going to get so much content out of that weekend in November.

[Connie]

I also think, you know, I'm a fan and a watcher as well, so in more recent years, you know, they always used to say, like, well, when we got together in New York, they're referring to the reunion, but they wouldn't say it. And so now there feels like there's more. I don't know if it's transparency, but we all knew it was a reunion or something. It's nice that we're, like, all mentioning it and we're even mentioning the cameras. It's. It's an evolution of Housewives.

[Kiki Monique]

It is an evolution. But I will say it's interesting because obviously I did film and so also seeing, like, I know what I said and also seen sort of like what's cut out. I think they're still trying to maintain some. A little bit of semblance of, like, we're not completely breaking down the fourth.

[Ryan Bailey]

Wall because Kiki's on tonight's episode. You've heard about her all season long, but she actually appears tonight.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, tonight you actually appear.

[Ryan Bailey]

I watched. I got to watch. Yeah, See?

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. So I Could have watched the screener, but I told Shane, my problem is I can't remember. Did I see that last episode? The episode before? Or was it last night's episode? I'm afraid I would spoil everything.

[Kiki Monique]

I watch everything. And then I'm like, oh my God.

[Ryan Bailey]

Am I telling the audience Kiki dies in this week's episode? So sorry, guys.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, it's interesting because when I was doing they are breaking the fourth wall. And they started a couple years back.

[Ryan Bailey]

Bravo. Bravo. Effing Bravo with Denise Richards.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I remember when I was on Flipping out in the early 1900s, but we could not break the fourth wall. And the problem was is that there was something that happened. I remember this specifically that they would not use or let me explain. And when I had found. So my. When my ex business partner, Ryan, when I had found that he was sponsoring links and he was in essence diverting our business to his own company.

[Ryan Bailey]

What.

[Jeff Lewis]

Happened was I had. Because we had been best friends previously, we had been partners. And I went to him and I said to him he had apologized to me. I brought this up. And he was very remorseful and very apologetic. He never actually admitted. Admitted. But what can I do? I'm really sorry. And I. About five days later, I said, well, look, we have to discuss this on camera. And so I gave him a heads up. And when we discussed it on camera, it was a completely different response. Not only did he completely deny it, but he was able to cover his tracks because I gave him five days to come up with excuses because he already knew what I was gonna say. Cause I already said it to him. So then when I said to the producers this is what happened, I gave him a heads up because he was my best friend. All of this. And now he's not even telling the truth.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

And it was like, tough shit.

[Kiki Monique]

Oh, wow.

[Jeff Lewis]

But now nowadays, it's like the wild, wild west. They do whatever, you know, they talk about the reunions, they talk about the fourth wall. They break the fourth wall. Whatever.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

So we should talk about what happened. Which is from what we understand. Cause Tamara was on yesterday. From what we understand, there was a dinner at Mastro's in Newport. And I think there were six people that attended. Right. Katie and her husband, Gretchen and Slade.

[Dorinda Medley]

And then Jennifer and Ryan.

[Jeff Lewis]

And Ryan.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

And during that dinner. And then you tell me if I' wrong. During that dinner, from what I understand is Gretchen had shared her experience of the night a million years ago, 10 plus years ago, at Tamara's home, where she got very Drunk. She had implied that she was potentially roofy, drugged, whatever, and that she had to go to the hospital then. And I want to know how this happens, because how do you end up at a lunch with Katie Janela?

[Kiki Monique]

So I was Katie Janela's biggest cheerleader. And that's what is so ironic about this. Like, when she came on, I was so excited. And whenever they announce a new housewife, the first thing we do is go follow them. Like, Ryan knows this. And so I went to follow her. She was already following me. And I was like, that's awesome. I feel like I've made a mark in this place where people are following me before I'm even following them. I follow back. She writes, you know, I am honored. Great. Okay. We have a relationship. I said, can't wait to see the season. And then the season plays out and, you know, like, she's, you know, kind of getting. I felt like, bullied by the other girls. And so, you know, when she gets to the reunion, I'm like, thinking, you know, when she gets to the reunion, she's gonna have to hold her own, because I want to see her in the next season while the season's airing, or I think after the season had just finished airing. She came on Reality Checked. Her and Jen Pedrante came on Reality Checked. And so we had a great rapport. It wasn't in the studio, though. It was zoom. But we had a great, you know, time, whatever. And then after the show, she put. She. She started a group chat. Katie did me and Jen and her. And she was like, had so much fun in the show. If you're ever in O.C. like, hit us up. We'll have a drink. Great. Because we are in a business where we develop relationships with these people. Obviously, you want to have that good rapport. I go one day to Pilates, and then I'm like, I like to do viral restaurant things. And so there was this Thai place in OC that is supposed to be the best Thai restaurant. And so I called up my friend, I'm like, hey, I want to try this Thai restaurant. You want to go? Let's go. So I'm driving OC And I'm like, oh, you know what? Let me go to the group chat and hit them up and be like, hey, I'm going to be an O.C. if you're around, like, let's grab a drink.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Kiki Monique]

Jen was like, oh, I'm in Mexico. And Katie was like, I'm shopping for the reunion. Because the reunion was going to be like in two or three days, she's like, I'm shopping for the reunion, but I'm. I'm running around, but I'll, you know, I can stop by and, you know, say hi. Because we hadn't met in person at that point.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm sorry, can you tell me, when was this? What month?

[Kiki Monique]

This was October. So she came on my show at the end of September exactly last year. And then I was headed to O.C. it was like October 3rd.

[Connie]

This is her first season.

[Kiki Monique]

This was her first season. Yeah. So get to O.C. the Thai place had a two hour wait. No. So go to, like, whatever that. I can't even remember the name of the restaurant. Not Javier's, but one of those places. Places that's just whatever. Go to lunch. She drops in, whatever. And we are just like, chilling. I'm literally in workout clothes. Like, we're just having a great time, talking, talking, talking. And then I. Again, I don't remember exactly how it came up, but she talks about like, oh, I went to dinner with Gretchen and did you know.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so can I ask you, when was that dinner with Gretchen? She didn't say, because you're now talking. October of. Of 24.

[Kiki Monique]

It didn't. She didn't give me a date, but it sounded like she had recently sent.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Kiki Monique]

And so of course, my instinct was to go, oh, is Gretchen gonna be on the next season? Cause Gretchen hadn't been announced yet. And of course you're like, why would you be having dinner with Gretchen?

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Kiki Monique]

So I'm like, oh, is she gonna be on the next season? She didn't say. I was just kind of like, oh, but she knew I'm keeping it.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah. But also, you see that with the Housewives too, is that they all start, like, hanging out with each other right before casting happens just to show producers, like, I'm still alive.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah. So of course. I'm just like, whatever. And she's like, you know, did you know the night of that naked wasted that Gretchen went to the hospital and they found drugs in her system? And I was like, wait, what? I. What? I was like, was there a report? Did they go to the police? Did they go to production like this? How have we never heard this before? Like, just like, I don't know. And I'm like, that's crazy.

[Ryan Bailey]

Did she say, don't say anything?

[Kiki Monique]

No. And she didn't tell me to, like, go leak. Like, it was just like. I was just like, we hear.

[Ryan Bailey]

But it is. But it is interesting. You did say this. Like, it's like, you never know when people are sharing stuff with you, if they're telling you because they want you to share it, or if this is, like, private, because sometimes you'll get information that they think you're going to be a big mouth about and spread it.

[Jeff Lewis]

But you didn't think it was manipulative. You didn't think it was divided. She was just. We're keeping.

[Kiki Monique]

Literally. And so I'm like. And I. And I hear crazy things every day. So I'm like, okay, take that in. And then she told me another crazy story, which you'll see that tonight.

[Ryan Bailey]

That's season 20.

[Kiki Monique]

And I get. None of this would have come out. I went about my way. We went. Then I saw her at the Us Weekly party later in October. Like, we're still having a good relationship. We're texting. I'm helping her. I'm thinking, thinking, you know, I want her to go up against these other women. So if I see something online, I'm like, girl, you know, you should. You should snap back it like this. I'm actually being a helpful friend, I think. Whatever. So then we get to January. Gretchen is announced as coming back. So now I'm like, oh, my God. Like, were they. Were they talking about that? Because that's going to come up in the season. And remember, we had just come off of that really dark Rony season with Bren, and I was like, I don't want another dark season. This shouldn't come up on camera. I don't know. But also, the reporter in me is like, if there's any truth to this story, if there's a hospital report out there, I want to find it. That is why I contacted the, like, legacy journalists, because I don't have the connections that, like, legacy media has. And I'm like, I don't want this story out there. I also don't want it coming back to me. But if there's any truth to this, can you find me? Is there a hospital report? Is there something that, like, can prove this story?

[Jeff Lewis]

You're very smart. We would have never thought about that.

[Dorinda Medley]

I'd be like, damn, that's crazy.

[Ryan Bailey]

I accept that as fact. That is fact. That's Bible right there.

[Kiki Monique]

And then when it got back to me, I was, like, comfortable that the story was not true. So I was like, cool.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wait, so. Because there was no hospital report.

[Kiki Monique]

There was. Nobody had a hospital report.

[Jeff Lewis]

Like, I, you know, so she did not go to the hospital.

[Kiki Monique]

I don't know, like, what I got the information. I got Was like, okay, I feel like this story is not accurate. So I don't know.

[Dorinda Medley]

But Also, it was 17 years ago, so maybe it exists and you can't find it, or you think it didn't happen.

[Ryan Bailey]

She might have went under, like, Smechen Smossy or something, you know?

[Kiki Monique]

And I'm also just like, I. I've sent myself to the hospital for backup. So I'm kind of like, maybe because of camera, she did, but, like, maybe. Maybe she did. But, like, maybe she never said she was drunk. You know what I'm saying? Like, maybe that was. You could have been at a dinner and been like, oh, my God, I was so drunk, I went to the hospital. And somebody's like, oh, why did they go to the hospital? And they created their own story. So that's why I start thinking like, did, you know, Katie start creating another story? I don't know. But.

[Jeff Lewis]

But also, it could be that, you know, it's like the game of telephone, right? So maybe Gretchen said, I went to the hospital. I think I was drugged. And then Katie, not meaning to, says, oh, they found drugs in her system. Yeah, you know, that's kind of an easy slip.

[Ryan Bailey]

But also, don't you think when housewives get together behind the scenes, they're all like, oh, my God, can you believe what this biatch told me? Like, they exaggerate to a point. You know, it's for effect, and that can get carried to somebody else. Like, Katie says that to Kiki.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, is it true then, that Slade started calling everyone? Because that was. Wasn't that.

[Ryan Bailey]

So that was the other thing. Was that then Slade called Matt and was like, 91 1, 91 1. You got to. You got. Hold. Like, hold the line. Hold the line. And back up. Gretchen's supposed lie. So Matt is saying that Slade reached out and said, you know, do not say anything else at this point. But this is where it gets confused, actually.

[Dorinda Medley]

Makes sense as to why Jennifer is saying that she didn't say that, and Katie's saying she did. If. If Slade told them both don't say anything, Jennifer's like, fine, I won't.

[Ryan Bailey]

Well, Jen seems to have a memory problem this season. Like, I love Jen, but she forgets everything. She's like, I don't know, maybe that's.

[Dorinda Medley]

Why you couldn't be a housewife.

[Jeff Lewis]

Is it? No, I know not. Dementia, my daddy dementia. Is it possible, then, that Katie could just be getting skewered publicly over this and really didn't do anything wrong because Gretchen told her that information? I Mean, she gossiped.

[Ryan Bailey]

Well, she did a little. I mean, she gossip, but she's not. She's throwing Kiki under the bus because she is not. She is saying that Kiki's lying about this.

[Kiki Monique]

She's saying I'm lying about it. Exactly. And that's my. And I think was. And she's acting like, I went to Tamara and told her. I did not do that. I. Like, I had an off the record conversation that was taken to a housewife that I never knew about until it had already been brought up on camera. I'm literally, like, living my life thinking, like, okay, everything's great. I get a text from Katie, and that's when I find out my name's been brought up on camera. And I was literally in denial. And I was gonna pretend I was gonna ignore it. I went to New York. I was, like, gonna pretend like I didn't, you know, like, I did respond. She said I didn't respond. That's not true. I did respond, but I was like, I don't. I said, like, what is this about? And she told me she didn't know. That's the part where I'm like, okay, so now you're hiding from me because we now know. You saw what was happening. You knew what was now. So by the time production contacted me, you see how many names. That's why I made fun of it. Was brought up on camera. And so I either had the choice to say, no, I'm not gonna film, and then let the narrative play out how it was and have people say whatever they want about me.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Kiki Monique]

Or they gave me the opportunity to share my side.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm glad they did.

[Kiki Monique]

Exactly. I'm glad they did too, because it was. It was not fair. And I. I hate that. Like, she just won't admit she told me. Why? Just say you told me, and we can let this go.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know.

[Dorinda Medley]

So how did it come up on camera? You told journalists, journalists told Tamara. Yeah, that's what we think.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wait, you told a journalist, Dave Quinn?

[Ryan Bailey]

Well, one.

[Jeff Lewis]

And Dave Quinn told Tamara. Yeah. I don't. Yeah, I don't trust that guy.

[Dorinda Medley]

Oh, messy boo.

[Jeff Lewis]

I've never liked him. No, I actually did like him. I actually liked him in the beginning. I actually thought we had a nice relationship. And then he turned on me, said some about me publicly. And that was the biggest mistake he's ever made. Because now I. I mean, look, I'm civil. I'll say hello and, like, give him, like, a half smile, but I don't like that.

[Ryan Bailey]

Guy, his book's great. Have you read? Not all.

[Jeff Lewis]

I would never read that book. And I'm sure it's on discount.

[Ryan Bailey]

Sure.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's like 3.99 on Amazon. Yeah. I do not like him anyway.

[Kiki Monique]

Well, he's not.

[Jeff Lewis]

Can't trust him.

[Kiki Monique]

I. You know, you make good relationships in this town. You know, like, I try, you know? Anyways, I just felt like I was getting, like, the shit end, and I was. Look, I understand why housewives want to protect each other. Fine, go protect each other. I just wanted out of it. So just say you told me, because I. Again, I can walk away from this. But now I feel like I have to, like.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah, well, you're a friend of. At this point, like, they bring you up more than me.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think it's. I mean, I happen to like Katie. I mean, she was on this show as well, with Jen. They were adorable together. They were so fun. And I think she made a big mistake because it sounds like she was trying to protect Gretchen right after the fact, knowing that Gretchen's gonna film with her. She wanted to create these alliances because the last thing she needs is more enemies. And then the problem was, though, is she thought that she could just throw you under the bus and you'd go quiet. Yeah, but you've got quite a platform.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah, but. And that. And then to me. And that was. And that sort of confirmed my suspicions. Cause again, like, my suspicion was like, like, so. Because again, she was sending me stuff sometimes and I'd be like, this is weird. Why are you sending me this? I'm like, do you think I am, like, you know, quote unquote blogger? Because I'm like, I don't really post this kind of stuff. And then the way she sort of just kind of throw me under the bus, I was like, that confirms that you thought I. You were going to be able to lie about me. The whole world was going to believe.

[Ryan Bailey]

Because you're not the only. You're not the only person she's done this to in this season. There were other, and I don't know what we call them, content creators that she also fibbed about calling, I think the Bravo babe and somebody else. There were other people brought up earlier in the season that Katie was interacting with. That was brought up.

[Jeff Lewis]

When you told the story to Dave Quinn, did you think that was going to. He was going to keep that confidential? Yes, because he's a sneaky little worm. He really is. He is. You know. What? What. What do you mean? Okay, I can say whatever the fuck I want on this show.

[Connie]

Yeah, Connie, you said it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Tune in Reality Check last Monday, whatever I want.

[Connie]

Okay?

[Jeff Lewis]

You, you, we got a sneaky little worm.

[Connie]

We got your message.

[Dorinda Medley]

I mean, he proved you right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yep.

[Kiki Monique]

We're friends.

[Jeff Lewis]

Told you. Told you.

[Ryan Bailey]

Did you have a conversation with him?

[Kiki Monique]

That was the thing. Like, we were having an off record conversation because people will think, well, why were you just gossiping with him? I wasn't. Like, we were having a conversation about a bunch of things and I think he said something along the lines of like, well, what do you think of Katie Janella? And I was like, you know, I really, you know, was cheerleading for her. I said, I, you know, I said there have been like a couple weird things though, like this and this. And I said like, like this was something weird that happened again. And like we were having a full conversation. We were being very open. He shared things with me. We were having a conversation about a bunch of different things that I would never share. And so I didn't know why that one piece of information had to go leave the conversation and go back. Because I'm like, I didn't.

[Ryan Bailey]

But it just goes to show you even listening to Tamara yesterday on this show is that it's not just the show anymore, man. Like, they are campaigning year round on their enemies. Their, the people they like who they want for season 20. And people are like, is Katie let go? Is she going to be back next season? And so it feels like a campaign pain. Like Katie's out there working the streets trying to keep this spot.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Dorinda Medley]

Why do you think Gretchen is changing her story about going to the hospital or not going to the hospital?

[Ryan Bailey]

It's just she said it on camera that she did go to the hospital.

[Kiki Monique]

And again, I have feeling like, because I'm thinking, okay, if I was, you know, kicking with some girls and I'm like, oh my God, I was so drunk. Like, I, you know, I went to the hospital. Like, they probably drugged me. And then I said it in jest. I might freak out and be like, oh my God, people are. Because I did say it in jest. And so now I don't know how to react. I don't know. Like, that's the thing. Like, I literally was like, I don't even want to ask her what? I just.

[Jeff Lewis]

We had to rewind a few times because I felt like, okay, wait, did you go or didn't you go? We were talking about this yesterday. It's still not confirmed.

[Kiki Monique]

It's not clear, which is why I think they have the lie Detector test on tonight's episode.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah.

[Dorinda Medley]

Oh, well, answer anything.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know how accurate that is. Ours is really accurate here.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah, your guys's is great. It's a real classy. Really accurate.

[Dorinda Medley]

Yeah.

[Kiki Monique]

Oh, my God. Yeah. So, you know, we'll see what happens.

[Ryan Bailey]

I love that Tara was on yesterday and, like, all of this stuff is happening and Tamara still is like, but the worst person is Shannon Bedor. And I'm like, shannon's done nothing. No, no, I don't.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't think she's. Here's the thing. I don't think that is the case because I'm obviously good friends with both of them. I. I do think they're. They're. Well, at least on Tamara side and Shannon's. I think there is some love there in history there. I just think they, you know, Shannon is going to have to decide, you know, can. Can we move past this? Can I really forgive? Because she does hold grudges. I love Shannon, but she does hold grudges. So. And to be on a housewife show for as many years, you can't carry that from season to season to season to season because it's. We don't want it. We don't want it.

[Ryan Bailey]

But then in the press, though, like, or even on the show, then she's pointing out, like, oh, I didn't run my car into a house. I didn't do this. I mean, how are you supposed to forgive somebody that keeps bashing you in public forums? And I like Tamara. I mean, I love Shannon, but I know. I understand that. I just think, how do you then forgive somebody that consistently is bringing up your mistakes? And Tamara's making those mistakes this season in terms of her own. You know, she got drunk and took a Xanax, and she actually openly admitted that. But then how do you throw that in Tamara's face as well? I mean, it's in Shannon's face as well.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I understand. I understand what you're saying. I. I don't know what the answer is. I just, like, I say it over and over and over. I. I just love the Trace Amigas.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

It was my favorite part about the show. I loved, like, you know, that would.

[Ryan Bailey]

Be like Oasis getting back together.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I don't know how. I don't know how you guys feel about this, but I'm finding myself very. Because of all the conflict and toxicity when you have a real friendship like the Marisol Alexia. I just. I love every time they're together. And I was, like, so touched by that whole situation with Stephanie in the plane, which we need to talk about. But I was so touched that she's like, look, if Alexi isn't on that plane, I'm not getting on the plane without her. So I find myself really drawn to these real friendships. And, you know, who knows if the Dubrow Tamra friendship is, like, real? But I'm clinging to it right now. Cause I got nothing else. I got nothing else.

[Ryan Bailey]

No, they all feel like competitors on a game of traitors instead of women with actual friendships. So that's what I'm saying. Like, every season, it feels like, who can I knock off this cast? Who can I keep on this cast?

[Jeff Lewis]

And I know I'm thirsty, but Gina is fucking thirsty.

[Kiki Monique]

I like Gina.

[Jeff Lewis]

She is thirsty and annoying. And those accent that put on accents.

[Ryan Bailey]

I'm Gina. What's going on?

[Kiki Monique]

Oh, I like her.

[Jeff Lewis]

I guarantee she has an acting resume. I bet she took acting classes coming up. She just really love, loves it. I mean, I like the people that kind of don't give, like, you know.

[Ryan Bailey]

You know what I do like about Gina, though? We've actually seen her build something. Like, she's starting to get a foothold in the building estate.

[Jeff Lewis]

What's she building?

[Ryan Bailey]

A casita? No, I mean, she.

[Jeff Lewis]

You talk. Are you talking about the rental? The furnished rental?

[Ryan Bailey]

What she's selling real.

[Jeff Lewis]

What she building?

[Kiki Monique]

Well, no, like, she sells authentic friendships. And her and Emily have an authentic friendship.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know they do. I just don't like Gina. But I like. So I don't like watching, you know that. But I like the dude, Jabron. I mean, you gotta admit, Dubrow looks good.

[Kiki Monique]

She looks.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, she is so well put together.

[Ryan Bailey]

I could do with a little less of them talking about having sex with each other. Because that's on tonight's episode as well.

[Dorinda Medley]

No.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah. It's like a lot of. A lot of hanky panky.

[Jeff Lewis]

And Katie I talked about yesterday. Katie is nice to look at.

[Kiki Monique]

I don't. I can't. She blocked me, so I can't.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm not angry.

[Kiki Monique]

Katie blocked her because I can't look at it anymore.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, she blocked you.

[Kiki Monique]

But you know what? I'm petty. So I went and I blocked her husband and all her kids. I was like, I just went and.

[Ryan Bailey]

Blocked her sweet little. Is there a chance that you would be invited to the reunion for a second?

[Kiki Monique]

I doubt that.

[Ryan Bailey]

Well, who knows? Because Andy could be like, let's figure this all out. Like Jeff did.

[Kiki Monique]

I like to confront her. I think I deserve an apology. And like just be like just admit it and just apologize.

[Jeff Lewis]

She can't anymore. I mean she's too indeed. So double down, double down, double down. I mean, she should have just in the very beginning admitted it and I don't know why.

[Kiki Monique]

Because you admitted the whole Brava babe situation. Why? Why? Why me?

[Jeff Lewis]

I used to date a big liar and he would double down, double down, triple down. I'm like, you're gonna fucking take this to your grave. All you have to do is apologize. We can move on. Yeah, do is apologize. I'm not going to say which axe.

[Ryan Bailey]

Dave Quinn.

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[Melissa]

Hi.

[Ryan Bailey]

Hey.

[Melissa]

I'm so excited to be on I'm a fairly new chomp, but I, I'm so fully invested and I just have to say. Shout out, Shane.

[Jeff Lewis]

Shout out. Melissa, do you have a comment about Real Housewives of Orange County?

[Melissa]

Chump indeed. So first I left that episode thinking that Gretchen said at that time I felt so sick I would have gone to the er, which was such a. I mean, talk about passive experience. Aggressive and totally throwing Kiki under the bus. So I don't. I didn't go back and look at it like you did, but that's what I left with, which I thought was weak. Obviously she's trying to protect herself because she's back. But that, that was just that. And then second of all, you're good friends with Shannon. I think you should tell her that she needs like a laminated sign that says, here are the sins of my past. Call them all out. And every time they're together, hold that up and then just diffuse it. You can't talk about this shit because. Because it's true. So there you go. Now you're done. Stop throwing it in my face. Right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so now that we're talking about this, because we talked a little bit about the break, thank you for Your call, Melissa, I believe, because I've watched this for years and years, is that the Bravo executives and the production executives, I think sometimes they give too much power to these housewives and they lose control of them. And so what I, you know, and I didn't call out any specific names, but when I said to Alex, I said, sometimes, you know, you have to put people on pause for a season or two so that way they can appreciate the situation. So we always want everyone to be polite and respectful to, you know, the crews and the executives and also their fellow castmates. So, you know, if you take. If you cross your arms and you take this hard line, like, I am not going to film with her, and I'm not going to film with that. Well, I'm sorry. This is your job. If you don't want to do your job, then we're going to find someone else to do your job. And regardless of how popular they are, regardless of how long they've been on that show, sometimes you have to correct people. And I feel like they are afraid to correct people because they're worried, obviously, about ratings. We lose this person, what do we do? Do you feel. I mean, do you agree? Do you disagree? You don't have to agree with me.

[Kiki Monique]

But no, I absolutely agree because I still believe in the mantra. I mean, I came from corporate world, but everybody's replaceable, and that includes reality stars, even the most popular ones. And I do agree that, like, the whole, like, I don't want to film with them and pushing people out. Like, I think Monica Garcia could have. Should have had another season. Personally, that's just me. And, like, I just feel like, you know, because they were unwilling, you know, but again, Salt Lake City moves on so fast. They have whole other storylines, so they. They recovered quickly.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Kiki Monique]

But I do believe, like, you can't just, like, have housewives sort of being like. Or it just reality starts saying, like, I refuse to do this. No, this is what we want.

[Ryan Bailey]

I always say they need to be penalized. Like, if you don't go on a cast trip, that's $5,000. If you don't, like, they need to. So I hate that. That is a big pet peeve. And obviously, I think we all know who you're talking about. And so that is a bummer. You know, like, you can have those feelings, but you still have to show up. But then at the same time, you have. Tamara had to leave because she was dealing with something, you know, like, we have that coming from all sides.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, I'm not Look, I'm not talking about any one person in particular, because it happens on every season.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Where you've got people that are employees that are telling them how to do. How to. How to film this show and run this business. Yeah. I will not film with her again. I will not be in the same room with her again. I will not talk to her again.

[Ryan Bailey]

But they. We've had that in actual scenes on OC this season where, you know, that's a problem. Shannon's like, I'm not gonna film with Katie. And it's a funny scene, but if you keep going to that well over and over again, it's really deflating for the viewer.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Kiki Monique]

And I think that's why Katie is also getting a lot of, like, support from the audience, which is pissing me off. Only because, like, if Shannon would just let some of this other stuff go and, like, let Katie's true self shine and let the audience see her, I think. But we can't, because it looks like everybody's just, like, jumping on down her throat.

[Ryan Bailey]

Well, Shannon gets excited when you're like, oh, good, you hate Katie too. Perfect. I hate Katie as well. And then you can win the scene, but you can lose the audience. So they think they're all, like, teaming up and like, oh, we're all this mutual enemy. That's Katie. But then the audience sees it, and we take it into a completely different vibe.

[Jeff Lewis]

If we are talking about Shannon, you know, on one hand, she's emotional, she's passionate. She's authentically her.

[Ryan Bailey]

Reactive.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right. Which makes reactive. Which makes her an incredible reality star. But because she's, you know, she's not playing a game like, like other housewives do. It's not just a job to her. It's her life. So if you hurt her, it is very hard for her to. To get over that because she takes it all so personally.

[Ryan Bailey]

You nailed it. I mean, because that's. That's what I love about watching Shannon is because I believe every second. Even, like, Tamara yesterday going, oh, she does the Lucille Ball stuff.

[Jeff Lewis]

And you notice how we jumped in and said, actually, it's all the time. Come on. That's her. She's a mess all the time.

[Ryan Bailey]

But, like, you know, last season, I believed that she was going through hell. Like, I believed it. And some of the other people. Like, I think Tamara's a very smart housewife where she is very aware everything that's happening around her. She has her wits about her. I think she plays things out in her mind. But Shannon, man, she can't help but be herself. And I love that if you balance the right people around her.

[Kiki Monique]

She was giving me so much anxiety in that scene where she was trying to put her eyelashes in the car by herself. I was like, I am sweating. I'm so anxious. I mean, 10 minutes. 10 minutes. 10 minutes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, she's always pretty punctual with us, right?

[Dorinda Medley]

Yeah, actually.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, she gets her shit together for.

[Dorinda Medley]

Us, but I was.

[Jeff Lewis]

Sometimes she's like.

[Dorinda Medley]

It's the opposite of, like, Heather Dubrow, who can kind of fake it and be friends with Tamara and just know that she's gonna clock in and do her job and have Tamara's back because they're filming a show and then Heather.

[Ryan Bailey]

Goes back to her amazing life.

[Dorinda Medley]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I honestly think, you know, with the Tamara interview yesterday, I think this is a piece of the puzzle that she needs. Right. This show, because she needs the platform and the exposure and to feed the other businesses. She's very smart and she's very successful, and I believe there's a part of her that thinks I have to do this show in order to feed these businesses. Question is, does she want to do it right? Because she seems. Which I said to her yesterday, I'm like, you seem real unhappy the whole time, the entire time. So I don't.

[Ryan Bailey]

But what I like about her is that, like you pointed out, she does have Veena. She does have this huge podcast. So she's a housewife that I don't have to worry about. I think sometimes. Sometimes the viewers get in their heads of like, oh, God, now I gotta worry about that. I gotta worry about Jax Taylor for the rest of my life. Like, how he's gonna make a buck. You know, Like, Tamara, I know she's gonna be good. I know the podcast is amazing. Like, the podcast is wild because even she admits it is. It's like performance enhancing drugs. You're like, cheat. You got the cheat codes. Because you're talking about every show you see every move and you dissect it. That's what that show does, and that's a compliment. But then you're able to take that and kind of use it in. Potentially use it in scenes where Shannon's reacting reactive. Tamra is very thought out.

[Jeff Lewis]

If you were Katie Janela, you're saying that you would apologize at this point or just admit it, or do you think she's too far in.

[Kiki Monique]

Well, I mean, again, I don't know what happens the rest of the season, but I. I mean, clearly in real time, she's not fucking with Me. So like, the fact that she is just like gonna just keep saying that she never told me is just weird because when you see what. When you see tonight's episode again, I held onto a piece of information that I didn't tell anyone. And I said like, I will reveal it on camera because I'm like, I'm sick of this and I want my name cleared. So I confronted Gina with it. You'll see it happen. And then when Gina eventually gets. Can they all get confronted by it? I can tell Katie Shook because they literally have to pull out footage that nobody has ever seen ever. And I'm right. And all is. All I'm saying is like, maybe in.

[Jeff Lewis]

The reunion she should just say, you know what? I did tell Keke Kiki. Yeah. Because that's what you told me, Gretchen.

[Ryan Bailey]

Well, Katie, call in right now if you're listening. In a blog.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's what you told me, Gretchen. I heard. And then, you know, Jen, if you don't want to back me up, that's fine. She did say it. This is what she told. That's where. Or say where you got the information. And I did tell Kiki. And then, you know, here's the thing. Like, and it's very important that you say this because you know, you're a respected journalist. Right. So if I give you information off the record, you have to keep the information off the record. You thought you were safe telling another fellow journalist you were not Exactly.

[Kiki Monique]

And that's exactly what I figured. If she wanted to ping me on anything, that's exactly what she should have done.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Kiki Monique]

You know what I told you, but you for doing that. Because I told you off the record or something like that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Kiki Monique]

And I would have been like respect.

[Jeff Lewis]

So this should be a lesson for you too. Right. Because moving forward, you know, if any. Anybody comes to you with off the record comments, you have to keep that to yourself.

[Kiki Monique]

It wasn't an off the record. But in the future, of course, every. I get it. I. I literally have off the record conversation every day of my life. Life. Yeah, every day.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, the saving graces. It's not like you leaked it to the press or anything like that. You told a trusted colleague and she.

[Ryan Bailey]

Wasn'T doing it to get on the show. That's the like on the show.

[Kiki Monique]

And I wasn't doing it to put. Put it out there.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, but we're not going to tell Dave Quinn anything in the future, right?

[Ryan Bailey]

Oh my.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, you repeated it.

[Connie]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Why are you.

[Kiki Monique]

What?

[Connie]

Connie, I have another question that I Wanted to post.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, okay.

[Connie]

My other question is kind of the source of this is. So Gretchen's saying I did go to the hospital, but she's not saying, and I found out I was drugged. You drugged me. Right?

[Jeff Lewis]

Well.

[Connie]

Or do we not know that yet?

[Jeff Lewis]

We don't know. Because if you. Again, Shane and I were confused.

[Connie]

I rewatched it. I rewatched it.

[Jeff Lewis]

I thought about the hospital. I was gonna go to the hospital. I went to the hospital. I didn't go to the hospital.

[Dorinda Medley]

She did go. When she was in the car with Tamara, she said, I did go to the hospital. And then Tamara told us that they had another off camera conversation when they're sitting in the park talking. That she also admitted it there.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah. Earlier.

[Connie]

She has the right to go to the hospital.

[Dorinda Medley]

Of course.

[Connie]

But she's not saying I went to the hospital and you drugged me. She's saying I went to the hospital.

[Ryan Bailey]

According to Katie's story, it was roofied.

[Kiki Monique]

Right.

[Connie]

So.

[Ryan Bailey]

Which is a drug.

[Connie]

But I don't. I guess my point is, is I don't know why Gretchen wouldn't just say, yeah, something was off. I went to the hospital.

[Dorinda Medley]

Hangover in my life, going to the hospital.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Connie]

It turns out it was a hangover.

[Jeff Lewis]

Gretchen could have also said, oh, my God, I think I was roofied. Like that. And then you misinterpret it. Right. Because we all, you know, we said this yesterday. We've all thought we've been roofied. We were just drunk.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah, yeah. No, I. I went to like A1 Medical and they were. I was like, I don't know, I'm dying. They were like, did you go out last night? Go home? Like you just needed one medical.

[Ryan Bailey]

Was like, was Tamara involved? Was Tamara involved?

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you.

[Kiki Monique]

Are you dating? I am really bad at dating. I did meet a guy recently, but I've been like, really bad about keeping in touch. But I'm just like, I don't know how to like, maintain a dating lifestyle. It's. I like to do what I like to do. And I realize that have dating someone, you have to be focused on them. You have to like, contact them. You have to talk to them and like ask them how their day is another job. And I'm just like, I'm like, just so I'm being very selfish right now. I'm loving my job. I'm loving what I'm doing. Even when I did my manifestation, I realized I put it away. And we were talking later, I was like, oh, God, I didn't even put relate Anything related to a relationship on it. It was all need to make this amount, amount of money. I need to be driving this car.

[Ryan Bailey]

Wait, do you do like vision boards.

[Jeff Lewis]

And stuff like that?

[Kiki Monique]

No, I mean, I did one time and it did work, so. But I do manifestation.

[Jeff Lewis]

Jameson, it looks like your mom's on line one. Linda from Dallas. Hey, Linda.

[Connie]

Hey, mom.

[Melissa]

Thank you. Shout out, chumps.

[Ryan Bailey]

Shout out.

[Jeff Lewis]

Jeff.

[Melissa]

Yeah, Jameson is just doing his job. He works for SiriusX Film, you know.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, let's decide, let's talk about what his job is. So, yeah, when you say doing his job, what, what is he doing specifically?

[Melissa]

He's promoting SiriusXM and the other shows, Kiki and you and on our channel.

[Ryan Bailey]

But it was funny yesterday because he was like, go back and listen to Monday's show when Kiki was on today. So that was funny.

[Jeff Lewis]

Like, I am happy to promote Kiki's show. Reality checked. Monday through Thursdays, 4pm Eastern, 1pm Pacific, with Dorinda Medley. I'm happy to do that when she's on my show, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to promote other shows on radio, Andy. I'm gonna promote my own show.

[Connie]

I thought I was doing a service to the listeners.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, you were doing. No, you're doing a disservice. No, you're a kiss ass, Connie. So what you're doing is you're. You want to show. Hey, Linda, show the executive. See, I'm promoting everything. I'm promoting the whole channel. So.

[Connie]

Great.

[Ryan Bailey]

No, hey, guys, tune over to John Mayer's channel right now. Great stuff.

[Jeff Lewis]

What else, Linda? Anything else?

[Melissa]

It feels like this is the fourth wall of Sirius XM that's kind of been broken here.

[Ryan Bailey]

Serious, serious, effing serious.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right, so if we're really gonna lay it out, there is a little bit. There's a little bit of Jameson resentment that I have that I think I was gonna sit down with you and talk about it, but I think it's more professional to do it on the.

[Ryan Bailey]

Air because of the vacation.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you, Linda. When you were on vacation. Yeah, I felt, it felt a little looser here. And so what happened was if you have, if I bring up a topic and you really start discussing it, corporate Connie is very quick to cut people off. Now, I don't give a shit. I keep going. But when corporate Connie says something, what I realize is all the guests are now worried and now they become aware. Right. So what's great about the chumps is chumps are unedited. So they just. And they're opinionated. But chumps are also. Like, if somebody reminds them, like, oh, shit, be careful where you're going, they're going to clam up. I found there was no clamming up when you were on vacation. So what I was going to talk to you about is to ease up a little bit, because I get this is your opinion, right? So if you feel like, oh, this is uncomfortable, we shouldn't go there. You know this. That is your opinion. It is not my opinion. And it's probably not the opinion. Could be, but it's not necessarily the opinion of the people in this room. So I want you to. You know, Jamie Kennedy kind of jokingly calls you the Rift killer. There's some truth to that. I love you and I know you're trying to protect me. I truly do love you and I know that you're trying to protect me. But we also want to put on a great show. And the reason that I bring this group of people on is because they do. They have great opinions. They have great perspectives on things, and I want them to feel safe. Safe enough to be able to share that. So maybe there is a little. Which I need to kind of reconcile in my head. There is a little bit of resentment. And I. And I am taking it out on you since you've been back. And I think that's the reason.

[Connie]

Okay. I hear the message, so I'm going to take it, metabolize it, and I'll. I'll consider it.

[Jeff Lewis]

I hear you're easily offended. You're easily offended.

[Connie]

We're talking personally or professionally. There's two things.

[Ryan Bailey]

Can we talk about me liking nipples?

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm sorry. I don't mean to be so heavy, Kiki. It was just something that was on.

[Kiki Monique]

My mind, you know, I love that you share everything on your mind.

[Jeff Lewis]

Maybe I should have done it off the radio, but.

[Dorinda Medley]

Who do you work with that's serious?

[Kiki Monique]

Well, I don't know. I actually have no clue because I don't. I think they're all in New York. Oh, my producer's test. But she's in New York too.

[Jeff Lewis]

Dave Quinn stuff was a perfect example. Example.

[Ryan Bailey]

So he.

[Jeff Lewis]

Where I have a real. I have a legitimate reasons for not liking him. And I felt like you were trying to cut that off. And I should be able to express myself if I don't like someone. And I understand that you may know him and you may have a relationship with him. I don't care. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, I do care, but you've Got to understand, I have a different experience with him than you do.

[Connie]

I get it. I hear what you're saying.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I don't want to say I don't care because I don't want to be dismissive and, you know, because I do care. I do care about your opinion. Yeah.

[Connie]

Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

But I can elect to continue to have that conversation.

[Connie]

Understood. I got the. I hear what you're saying.

[Ryan Bailey]

Jameson, would you like to say something bad about Dave Quinn to get in the good graces of Jeff?

[Jeff Lewis]

You don't have to. I don't. And that's the other thing. Like, I love that everybody, you know, if you disagree with me. That's why when I was talking about the whole house, you know, giving housewives too much power.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I said to you, because I want you to know you do not have to agree with me. I actually like when people disagree with me.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah, well, I like Gina.

[Ryan Bailey]

Well, hey, Linda, thanks for calling for Jameson.

[Kiki Monique]

Yeah, I met her when I sat down with her.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, okay.

[Dorinda Medley]

Well, I forgot.

[Jeff Lewis]

I've met her. I met her at Catch Steak. Oh, yeah. She was lovely. You know, it was. It's for whatever reason to watch her annoys me. But I met her in person. But I met her in person, and she was lovely.

[Dorinda Medley]

She'd be a good mom, friend, but maybe not a good, like, reality tv.

[Ryan Bailey]

A big storyline for her is how big Travis's balls are. Her boyfriend, Friend.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Kiki Monique]

She did a whole thing at the Abbey. It was like this, like, game show. And like, she just, like. I don't know. I. I didn't think that she's very open is what I'm saying. Like, I didn't think that she would be that vulgar and sort of like it with an audience. And I'm just kind of like, anyone. I know she doesn't drink, but anyone who I feel like I can party with is, like, my people.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I'm sure she's very fun in real life.

[Kiki Monique]

I know.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah. I mean, she is fun in real life.

[Kiki Monique]

People never believe me when I say Janet from the Valley's fun. They're just like, you're a liar. And I'm like, no, she's so much fun.

[Ryan Bailey]

Janet's very different than appears on Rough around the Edges.

[Jeff Lewis]

She seems a little rough around the edges for me.

[Ryan Bailey]

Janet or Gina?

[Jeff Lewis]

Gina.

[Dorinda Medley]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Dorinda Medley]

She's not trying to be polished. She's not.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I like polished housewives.

[Ryan Bailey]

Okay, but is it. Are we still attaching the memory?

[Jeff Lewis]

Like, Shannon can be polished.

[Dorinda Medley]

Yeah, she can polish.

[Jeff Lewis]

Not that one Seat in New Orleans. But getting her up in New Orleans.

[Ryan Bailey]

Oh, my God.

[Jeff Lewis]

Shannon is a classy woman. I mean, she's, you know, educated.

[Ryan Bailey]

11, 11 manifest.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right, so, Jameson, what I realize is that I don't even care if you promote Reality Checked. It wasn't about Reality Checked. It wasn't about Reality Checked at all.

[Connie]

In that case, check out Reality Checked.

[Jeff Lewis]

Just don't promote anyone else's shows. But we can promote Kiki.

[Dorinda Medley]

Oh, but you're gonna be on the Smith Sisters.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, the Smith Sisters.

[Dorinda Medley]

We love them.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Connie]

I think it had a real full circle.

[Jeff Lewis]

It wasn't about. It wasn't about Reality Check.

[Connie]

And now we got to the.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you feeling better? I should have talked to you when I. When you got back from your vacation.

[Connie]

Okay, I've received the message. I'm gonna metabolize it. I gotta think about it.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think we gotta figure out a way where you can protect me, but still allow me to. You gotta take me off the leash.

[Connie]

I understand that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Or just loosen it up. Maybe leave the leash on, but give me some more slack.

[Dorinda Medley]

Like one of those. That you can pull in, but the dog can go farther, right?

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah. No shock collar vibrate maybe, though.

[Kiki Monique]

I just got a text from my producer. She was like, keke, thank you so much for never reprimanding me.

[Ryan Bailey]

My air.

[Kiki Monique]

I think I'm gonna be meaner now. I think I gotta go yelling at her.

[Jeff Lewis]

She really texts you. Holy shit.

[Ryan Bailey]

You're bringing people together on other shows, Jeff. Look at this.

[Kiki Monique]

Wow.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, he is a very good producer and he does try to. He is trying to protect me.

[Dorinda Medley]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't think you're trying to, like, slow down the show.

[Connie]

No, absolutely not.

[Ryan Bailey]

That's me. I'll slow it down.

[Jeff Lewis]

Or quiet people. I think you really correct. Yes.

[Ryan Bailey]

Did you feel looser with Oscar? Did you feel like he was. Like Oscar was just letting things go in?

[Dorinda Medley]

I was stressed out. He was so anxious. That made me anxious.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oscar. Yeah, it was a lot.

[Ryan Bailey]

We miss you, Oscar.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't think he. No, he did a good job, though.

[Dorinda Medley]

He did.

[Jeff Lewis]

But then. But he was. I thought he was gonna have a heart attack.

[Dorinda Medley]

I can't sleep. I can't eat.

[Jeff Lewis]

I can't sleep. I can't eat. I'm so stressed. I can't.

[Dorinda Medley]

I was like, are you okay?

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know if he wasn't totally ready. Totally ready for that responsibility, but he did. I mean, considering. He did a great job. Do you even miss him, by the way? He's been gone For a week.

[Kiki Monique]

I kind of forgot.

[Jeff Lewis]

I forgot about him, too.

[Dorinda Medley]

I saw an assistance.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thanks for bringing him up.

[Ryan Bailey]

Kiki's about to have a love fest on Reality check. Like, it is going to be sunshine and you guys don't even know over here.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're happy to go back to your studio.

[Ryan Bailey]

Dorinda, I love you.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's good. Don't make sure you appreciate all of your, you know.

[Kiki Monique]

No, I, I, I sometimes get scared coming here. That's why I got drunk last night. Because I was like.

[Jeff Lewis]

Seriously, while.

[Kiki Monique]

I don't know, I just get scared. Oh, and you know who I ran into while I was at the Abbey? Tamara's old friend Ricky. He, like, comes up to me. He goes, are you Kiki Monique? And I said, yeah. He goes, do you know who I am? I was like, no.

[Jeff Lewis]

Everybody, you are another housewife. Now, at this point, I'm telling you, that's great.

[Ryan Bailey]

It's like when Miramax promoted goodwill hunting and they made Ben Affleck and Matt Damon stars by promoting like, Kiki Monique is on everybody's.

[Kiki Monique]

But then I'm like, worried because I took a, you know, he's like, can I take a picture with you? Yeah. And then I was like. And then I was like, oh. And then I was like, oh, I think Tamara hates them. And then now you forget, like, if you take pict with people, are they going to think that you're besties? And now you're evil.

[Jeff Lewis]

Like, you're right. Did you be careful.

[Kiki Monique]

I know Tamara's going to be like, screw you.

[Jeff Lewis]

So we do want to promote Real Housewives of Orange county.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Season 19. That airs tonight. I think it's 8:00pm on Bravo. Tomorrow it's on Peacock. We get to see our, our star celebrity blogger, Kiki Monique.

[Ryan Bailey]

Journalist.

[Jeff Lewis]

Journalist. And then also check her out on Reality Checked Monday through Thursday on Channel 102. And then we have so Bad It's Good with Ryan Bailey.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Monday through Friday.

[Ryan Bailey]

And you can get that on the Sirius app as well.

[Kiki Monique]

What?

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did that happen?

[Ryan Bailey]

It happened a while back. You promoted it once.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, okay. I forgot.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Much like I forgot that Oscar works here. Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis Live every weekday on Sirius X as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel exclusively on the SiriusXM app. I won't let my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis symptoms define me.

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