Kyle Richards & Megan Weaver (Encore)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Jeff Lewis Has Issues Episode: Kyle Richards & Megan Weaver (Encore) Release Date: November 8, 2024 Host: Jeff Lewis Guests: Kyle Richards, Megan Weaver

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Introduction

In this emotionally charged episode of Jeff Lewis Has Issues, host Jeff Lewis opens up about his ongoing personal challenges, focusing on his recent foray into the dating scene and his journey toward sobriety. Joined by Kyle Richards and Megan Weaver, the conversation delves deep into the complexities of maintaining personal relationships while under the constant scrutiny of reality TV.

Navigating the Dating World

Jeff begins by recounting his recent blind date experience, which he describes as more of a setup due to the involved parties aware of each other's appearances in advance.

Jeff Lewis [01:44]: "So it wasn't really a blind date. Yes. And I found out... he was curious, is Jeff single?"

He humorously reflects on the modern reality of blind dates in the age of social media, acknowledging that true anonymity is nearly impossible today.

Megan Weaver [01:47]: "Does that exist anymore with social media? Because no one's blind."

Jeff discusses his attempts to implement "game" strategies in dating, such as not responding immediately to avoid appearing desperate.

Jeff Lewis [03:21]: "I'm just not responding right away. So the guy... I don't want to be too desperado."

Megan challenges Jeff's terminology, asserting that such behaviors are indeed games and emphasizing the importance of appearing a bit "hard to get."

Megan Weaver [03:37]: "But by the way, you have to play a game. You do."

Challenges with Oversharing and Sobriety

A significant portion of the episode addresses Jeff's struggles with oversharing, especially when under the influence of alcohol. He admits to oversharing during dates, leading to uncomfortable situations.

Jeff Lewis [03:35]: "I did have a good date... but I immediately followed up that evening. I have not responded yet because I don't want to be too desperado."

Megan shares her own experiences with oversharing without alcohol, highlighting the anxiety it can stem from.

Megan Weaver [04:10]: "I have been cutting back a lot though."

Jeff candidly discusses a particular date where his excessive sharing led to almost breaking up with his date via texts, only to have Shane intervene and prevent him from sending an embarrassing message.

Jeff Lewis [06:33]: "So then when he didn't respond in my head as quick as he should have... I just like, shut the fuck up."

Megan's Journey to Sobriety and Its Impact

Megan takes the spotlight to discuss her personal journey toward reducing alcohol consumption. She highlights the positive changes in her physical and mental health since cutting back.

Megan Weaver [29:21]: "I've had people stopping me on the street now, and it just really... It's incredible to me."

She explains how her decision was influenced by personal hardships, including marital issues and family struggles, leading her to prioritize her well-being.

Megan Weaver [30:07]: "I didn't want to wake up... I couldn't afford to feel depressed."

The Impact of Reality TV on Personal Relationships

The conversation shifts to the challenges of maintaining genuine friendships and relationships while being part of a reality TV show. Megan expresses frustration over the lack of empathy from fellow cast members despite her openness about her struggles.

Megan Weaver [17:31]: "The lack of empathy was shocking, especially since even though the audience did not know what was going on in my life..."

Jeff offers observations on the superficial perceptions of relationships on the show versus reality, emphasizing that not all breakups stem from dramatic incidents like infidelity.

Jeff Lewis [20:00]: "Why did this happen? We have to automatically assume Mauricio cheated... Some people just grow apart."

Maintaining Integrity Amidst Public Scrutiny

Both Jeff and Megan discuss the difficulty of balancing personal integrity with the expectations placed upon them by fans and media. Megan criticizes the pressure to constantly share personal details, expressing a desire to protect her family's privacy.

Megan Weaver [34:08]: "I am an honest person and I can only share... I care more about my children and my family and Mauricio and me and how we move forward than any TV show."

Jeff reflects on his sense of responsibility as a public figure to share his life, even when it may not align with what the audience expects or desires.

Jeff Lewis [33:47]: "I feel like it's an obligation to tell everyone what's going on in my life."

Relationship Dynamics and Future Outlook

In the latter part of the episode, Jeff and Megan delve into the intricacies of Jeff's marriage with Mauricio, discussing the possibility of divorce and its implications given their intertwined personal and professional lives.

Jeff Lewis [37:01]: "Is there another home, too, that he will go to, like an apartment?"

Megan shares her perspective on the potential dissolution of her marriage, emphasizing the emotional difficulty and clarity she would need to transition gracefully.

Megan Weaver [38:15]: "If we're not going to be together, I would get divorced 100%. I would never do that just for properties."

Conclusion

The episode concludes with reflections on the personal growth that comes from facing one's issues head-on. Jeff acknowledges the importance of learning from past mistakes and the ongoing journey toward self-improvement.

Jeff Lewis [14:38]: "I'm learning, but I think you're a slow learner when it comes to things like that..."

Megan reinforces the transformative power of embracing change, both physically and mentally, highlighting how cutting back on alcohol has enhanced her quality of life.

Megan Weaver [30:17]: "Something changes in you, major. I don't know if it's psychological. I don't know what it is, but you change as a person."

Notable Quotes

• Jeff Lewis [01:26]: "Jeff Lewis has issues."
• Megan Weaver [29:21]: "I've had people stopping me on the street now, and it just really... It's incredible to me."
• Jeff Lewis [33:47]: "I feel like it's an obligation to tell everyone what's going on in my life."

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This episode of Jeff Lewis Has Issues provides an unfiltered look into the personal lives of those in the spotlight, emphasizing the universal challenges of relationships, self-improvement, and maintaining authenticity amidst public expectations. Through heartfelt discussions and candid admissions, Jeff, Kyle, and Megan offer listeners a relatable narrative of growth and resilience.

Transcript

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[Kyle Richards]

It's not easy being Jeff Lewis.

[Jeff Lewis]

I did cause all the problems, but then I apologized. Ok. And then I think we're good. Now I believe my purpose here on earth. I'm a bullshit police officer. I'm the bullshit police. All of you have either quit or been fired before. Andrew, did you quit? A little of both.

[Kyle Richards]

Jeff Lewis has issues.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has Issues. In today's episode, Kyle Richards and Megan, we joined the show. We talk about my blind date, the effects of not drinking and the status of Kyle's relationships. So I did have a date last night. It was a. It was good. It was a setup situation.

[Megan]

Does that mean like a blind date?

[Jeff Lewis]

Kind of a blind date?

[Shane]

Oh yeah.

[Megan]

Does that exist anymore with social media? Because no one's blind.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, you're right because I knew what he looked like. Yeah, I knew what he looked like. So it wasn't really a blind date. Yes. And I found out. But it was interesting because he had called my entertainment attorney to pitch one. He's an agent to pitch one of his clients for Hollywood Houselift. And then he, and then he was like, just curious, is Jeff single?

[Megan]

Oh, that was just an excuse to get to you. So naive really.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I don't know. I don't know about that.

[Megan]

Oh, by any chance, is Jeff available? I don't know.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, I'm thinking about doing speed dating with Oscar. I mean, I'm pretty much doing speed dating right now. Right, but how many guys Are there gonna be. Oh, but you. You were saying that you were gonna go because Oscar is demisexual and kind of bisexual. So you wanted to go to the one with the girls, but you said you'd go to the one with the guys with me.

[Shane]

Yeah, I'd do both. You guys are like love on the spectrum. Are you watching that?

[Megan]

Is that a show?

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, it's so cool.

[Shane]

It's the people on the spectrum and they do the speed. Speed dating and they get really, really nervous and tripped up and Men and women. Yeah, but the problem is that one guy is on the speed dating. You've got that little piece of paper in front of you where you check the box, yes or no, and he starts checking the no's in front of the date in the middle of the speed date. Anyways, it's really cute.

[Megan]

I would never survive.

[Shane]

But that reminds me of you two.

[Jeff Lewis]

Honestly. Remind of Sutton states.

[Unknown Speaker]

That was love on the spectrum.

[Jeff Lewis]

Sutton states love on the spectrum. But see, I'm learning. I had no game. No game, Kyle, you didn't. No, because I think because I was in a relationship and a relationship before that, relationship before that. But now I'm starting to, like, chill a little bit. So.

[Megan]

So now that you have a little game, what do you do?

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm just a little more unavailable. So I'm not.

[Megan]

You play a game.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm not playing games. I'm just not responding right away. So the guy. The guy last night, it was a good. It was. It was a good date, but. And he immediately followed up that evening. I don't know what time, but I have not responded yet because I don't want to be too desperado.

[Megan]

You don't think that's a game? That's, of course a game.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's just taking.

[Megan]

But by the way, you have to play a game. You do.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Megan]

Otherwise it comes off to, okay, then.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm gonna play a game. Desperate.

[Megan]

And everybody, they think they don't wanna play games, but nobody wants somebody. You know, you have to be a little bit hard to get.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was not hard to get. It was just the opposite.

[Megan]

So you already did the deed and now you're not responding to. No.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, no, no. Not with him. No, not with him. In the. You know, over the past few weeks, I've made a couple of mistakes. I drank too much on one date and then overshared, kind of like I did at Jackie Schimmel's party with you and your daughters and Morgan.

[Megan]

So. Yeah, see, that's why I don't miss drinking at all.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's why I'm cutting it back.

[Megan]

I'm already an oversharer. I've learned that without alcohol, I already overshare, but it would give me anxiety. I just overshare now without the anxiety.

[Jeff Lewis]

I. Yep, I overshare. Yes. But I'm worse when I've been drinking.

[Shane]

Everybody is.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I had just come from a therapy appointment, so I was already open and vulnerable. And I had already walked in having two drinks. He wasn't drinking. He doesn't drink during the week. Then I had two more.

[Megan]

Because he has a lot of self control.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. And then I should have read the room, but I didn't read the room and I had two more drinks. And then. That was one mistake.

[Megan]

Did you say something offensive?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I just offered too much. Like, I just talked about everything.

[Shane]

Your life story.

[Megan]

I like this. It's like a therapy session. Tell me more, Jeff.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, then, also, I had a really good. I had a good date in New York last week, and he did spend the night. And then when he left, I had followed up, but I didn't realize that I had followed up very quickly. So in my head. In my head, I thought, like, more time had elapsed. But it was only nine days.

[Megan]

But he just walked out the door.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think he was at the elevator still.

[Megan]

I'm just gonna tell you, this single life is not for me. That would not. I would not do well.

[Jeff Lewis]

Once you learn the rules, it's actually. I'm having a lot of fun. Once you learn the rules.

[Megan]

I'm not good at learning new things.

[Jeff Lewis]

But you're telling me. You gotta play the game. You gotta play the game. I hate calling it a game. You just have to be a little bit mysterious. You don't respond right away.

[Shane]

You can't be overeager.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're right. And I was overeager.

[Shane]

Yes.

[Megan]

You have to be busy.

[Shane]

Yes. Unavailable.

[Megan]

You're too busy. You know, you've got a lot on your plate that they're not the whole focus. They're not everything you're thinking about, even though it actually is.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're right. You're right. And then what I did, Kyle, I started kind of in my head creating a narrative. Like, oh, he doesn't like me. He didn't get back to me. He's not talking. He didn't mention tonight because when I.

[Megan]

Everybody does that, right?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. But not everybody puts it in texts and starts sending texts. So fortunately, Shane walked in my hotel room and was like, what are you doing? Stop Stop texting.

[Megan]

Wait, you said to him, am I texting too soon?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, what happened was okay.

[Megan]

Because if that's the case, I felt like.

[Jeff Lewis]

I felt like he didn't respond right away. So then I was like. So I had. I'm like, hey, it was, you know, I had a lot of fun. Whatever. Thanks for coming over. Let me know if you want to hang out tonight. Which I shouldn't have fucking said because.

[Megan]

I already miss you, even though I've only met you once.

[Jeff Lewis]

So then when he didn't respond in my head as quick as he should have, I'm then like. But, you know, if you don't want to, it's like, cool or whatever, you know what I mean? So I just like, shut the fuck up. Then I was going to send another one.

[Megan]

Kyle, the second embarrassment is really a lot over here right now.

[Shane]

Yes, me too.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know. It's cringey. It's cringy. Then the third text that I was about to send until Shane stopped me. That one was the worst.

[Unknown Speaker]

He was like, oh, my God, thank God you walked in.

[Shane]

And what was it?

[Unknown Speaker]

It was all written out. He was like, well, maybe we're not imagined. So I don't know if I'm gonna see you next time.

[Megan]

Cause it's been nine minutes.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was gonna break up with him.

[Unknown Speaker]

He was like, in the elevator. I probably passed him in the hallway.

[Megan]

Oh.

[Jeff Lewis]

But I got it together. And now I had. So it's like getting. You're taking off the training wheels. You know what I mean?

[Megan]

Okay, so you sent that second text, not the third. And then you respond the third.

[Jeff Lewis]

He did not respond. He did not respond.

[Megan]

I don't mean to laugh.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, no, he did. He said he would text me because he was going to a movie that night. And he said he would text me after the movie, which he did not. And then I didn't hear from him for five days, but I didn't text him.

[Shane]

Okay, good.

[Megan]

Okay, that's good.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank God. I ghosted. Slowsted. And then.

[Megan]

Well, let's be clear.

[Jeff Lewis]

You were a little.

[Megan]

Ghosted first, and then you ghosted back. But if that makes you feel.

[Unknown Speaker]

You texted me and I ghosted him.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, you're right. He ghosted. So. But then he reached out yesterday. Oh, well, so then you just. You just. You know. And then the other one.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, what did he say yesterday?

[Jeff Lewis]

You're a dick, Shane. You're a dick.

[Megan]

He said, lose my number. No kidding.

[Jeff Lewis]

There was some. Okay, let me. Let me. Okay, just talk amongst yourself. Okay. Oh, here it is.

[Megan]

I had to play this game when I was dating Mauricio.

[Shane]

Yeah, everybody does. You have to know not to respond too soon. Be busy.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, well, first of all, he listened to the podcast.

[Shane]

Uh. Oh.

[Megan]

So did you talk about it on the podcast?

[Shane]

Of course.

[Unknown Speaker]

Heavily.

[Jeff Lewis]

I talked about that.

[Megan]

He's probably listening right now. Of course.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, he's not. You know why he's not?

[Megan]

Why?

[Jeff Lewis]

Because he doesn't subscribe to the Sirius XM app. Oh.

[Shane]

So he can only. Surprise.

[Jeff Lewis]

He can only listen to Wednesday and Friday.

[Shane]

Got it.

[Jeff Lewis]

But unfortunately, Friday's podcast was. When was Thursday's show, which was the morning after the date. So he heard it. And then I did talk about how I made him. I mean, I made him take a shower.

[Shane]

Oh, my God. Jeff.

[Megan]

Jeff.

[Jeff Lewis]

But no, I mean, I just asked. I said, I'm going to take a shower because I've been working.

[Megan]

Can you, too?

[Jeff Lewis]

And I said, have you? I said, have you showered?

[Megan]

I can't with this.

[Shane]

I know. I can't either.

[Megan]

I'm dying.

[Unknown Speaker]

Embarrassment.

[Megan]

No, no, no, no, no. I know because I mean, see, I would be like, if it was me, I'd be thinking, does it seem, like, hot?

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

No. He says. I'm like, did you shower? He's like, well, I did this morning. And I'm like. Like most people, I'm like, I know, but you've been, like, working all day and everything. And he goes, do you want me to take a shower? And I said, yeah.

[Shane]

Oh, God.

[Jeff Lewis]

But he did. And then I think what Nicole and Sy were saying on Thursday is that I should have showered. We should have showered together. But the shower was very tight. It was. But then, like, you could have said, it's important to the story.

[Megan]

Take a shower.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, it's important to the story. Because then he said, I'm still listening to this. I did want to shower with you. And he's like, but I heard you ended it. Did we end this? That is what he said yesterday. Because I ended on the podcast. I think I said I was done.

[Shane]

Oh, God.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know. And I said, if you want to.

[Megan]

Go, by the way, I am only letting you go on and on right now because I'm nosy and I want to know what happened. But this is also a deal breaker.

[Jeff Lewis]

For learning my lesson, but to keep.

[Megan]

Going because I am curious.

[Shane]

It's a great trainer.

[Megan]

I don't know who he is, so I don't care. So keep telling us all the details.

[Jeff Lewis]

I said, if you want to go out again, I'm open to it from your lack of follow through. I thought this wasn't a priority. I now understand the situation. It just wasn't communicated because he said he was going. He was having.

[Megan]

For him to leave you nine minutes without.

[Shane]

Now you're criticizing him.

[Megan]

Yeah. Nine minutes without responding. I don't know. I would have cut him loose also.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's going to get worse.

[Shane]

Oh, Jesus. I don't know if I can take it.

[Jeff Lewis]

He said, jeff, of course I want to see you again. Made that clear before I left your hotel. I didn't hear from you either. I don't know if this is a priority. I'm just moving at my own pace. Haven't shared much about my life because it takes a while for me. And then blah, blah, blah, blah. And I wrote, have you not shared with me because I'm always talking about myself. Lol. He goes, literally, yes.

[Megan]

You'Re an Aries. Are you an Aries?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Megan]

And what sign is this person?

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know. I said, omg, he never asked. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't ask him.

[Megan]

He's talking about himself.

[Shane]

He sounds like a great guy.

[Megan]

This is all right.

[Jeff Lewis]

I said, omg, I'll shut the fuck up next time, okay?

[Megan]

Are we in high school?

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, it feels that way. I'm just. I'm just. I'm figuring it out. Kyle. Kyle, I'm figuring it out. Like, yeah, you gotta work this out with Mauricio. See, this is what you have to look forward to. You're gonna have to work this out.

[Megan]

This is not good. Maybe you need to reach out to Sutton's.

[Jeff Lewis]

Can we turn the air conditioner back on? The air conditioner shut off when the fire line went off. I'm surprised the elevator worked. I can't believe I should have shut that down. Fire marshal.

[Unknown Speaker]

They didn't.

[Megan]

I was like, why would we get in an elevator, right?

[Jeff Lewis]

We could have been crystal lobbyists. Just wrote, stop talking.

[Megan]

Oh, my God. No. When Mo. When I first met Mo, he asked me out. No, he asked me for my phone number, but then did not call me for five days.

[Shane]

That's what I was.

[Megan]

And I was like, oh, my God, he's cool.

[Unknown Speaker]

He knows how to play cool.

[Megan]

So when he called me, he was like, hey, I had left from Mexico for five days. I just got back, and you have dinner tonight. And I was like, no, I can't. I'm booked and busy for, like, I don't even know. I said, I made him wait a while after that.

[Shane]

Good.

[Megan]

I had to punish him a little bit. So, you know, you had to play that game. Well, I wasn't booked and busy and.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you remember the guy where I drank too much?

[Megan]

Yes. Is he texting you now, too?

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, what happened was, is that we actually had rescheduled a date for Sunday. I canceled because I was embarrassed. And then.

[Megan]

This is the guy that overshared too much. Overshared. And now you're too embarrassed to face him.

[Jeff Lewis]

Correct.

[Megan]

So you didn't feel that need to sort of show another side of yourself and not overshare, Maybe ask someone questions about themselves?

[Unknown Speaker]

Here is the only one side of Jeff. That is the thing. He would do the exact same thing again. Drink too much, talk too much.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I am not going to. But he reached out because I haven't reached out. And he said, want to reschedule last night's plan?

[Megan]

Okay, that is nice.

[Jeff Lewis]

I said, sure. When are you free? But I waited a long time. Let me see how long I waited. Oh, God. Did I. Oh, God. I only waited 44 minutes.

[Megan]

That is okay.

[Shane]

It is better than nine.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. I waited 40. That is good for me. That felt like all day.

[Megan]

Yeah, 44 minutes is. Yeah, it's a lot. That's good.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then he waited till 8:58 today to get back to me.

[Shane]

Yeah, he's got better game than you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, he does. But you know what?

[Megan]

It wouldn't be nice to have somebody. But you don't have to play any of these things. And you can just, you know, be exactly how you want to be, as, you know, ridiculous as it may be. And everything's, you know, just works.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's not okay. So he says, I'm looking at my schedule, and it's tight until next week. Ugh.

[Unknown Speaker]

He asked you out and then is too busy.

[Jeff Lewis]

This is. This is what he fucking does to me. And then he. But then I didn't respond because it's 9:19. He texted 8:58, and you're on the.

[Shane]

Radio doing your job.

[Jeff Lewis]

He texted again and said, I'll for sure carve out some time for us. Okay.

[Megan]

Carve it out?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. He's gonna carve out Corporate terminology. He's gonna carve it out.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Shane]

That's gonna run it up the ladder.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm gonna wait. Like, I'm gonna wait a day. I have to wait at least a day for that one. I think maybe a day or two.

[Megan]

What are you, a pumpkin? That is the weirdest terminology I've ever heard.

[Jeff Lewis]

Everybody's blowing me up. Patrick's like, we need to Teach you the eight simple rules of dating. Is that a book fast? That's what he said. Well, I'd like to know what those are.

[Megan]

There's only eight.

[Jeff Lewis]

What are the. Yeah, so I can retain eight.

[Shane]

And they've been together a long time. How do they know?

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know. But, Kyle, I'm learning.

[Megan]

You're learning, but I think you're a slow learner when it comes to things like that, because the fact I've already gotten, you know, some orchids from you, a number of them.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now I have impulse control issues.

[Megan]

Yes, you do.

[Jeff Lewis]

And at the break, I will find. This therapist sent me an assessment, and she says it has to do with my adhd.

[Megan]

Oh, that's. Yeah, I'm learning a lot about that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Too, because I'm not on any meds whatsoever.

[Megan]

Shocking.

[Jeff Lewis]

So. All right, you know that I'm watching what happens live. I said that you are carrying Real House of Beverly Hills on your back this season, Everything, every single storyline evolves, revolves around you.

[Megan]

Well, that's not fun for me, I'll tell you that much.

[Jeff Lewis]

Sutton. What's going on with Sutton? Because she's a friend of the show. She's been. Are you guys friends now? What's happening?

[Megan]

You know, what happened with Sutton was strange because we actually are friends. I was the one who became friends with her before anybody else. Even though she was originally brought in via. I say, you know, people always think if you bring someone on that you're friends and you're very good friends. Like, no, it doesn't have to be like that. You know, we suggest people that we've met or know and think that could be good. So she came in via Lisa Rinna. But I was the one who became close to Sutton right away.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Megan]

And I don't know, I just. We got along, and she makes me laugh, and she's, you know, she's funny, and I got her. And I don't think a lot of people did in the beginning. And we were friends, genuine friends. And I just did not understand why she was doing that this season out of the blue, you know, it was like. It was the strangest thing, that dinner, saying so Kyle, I felt like I was on trial and I was struggling so much and going through such a difficult time. And I was honest. Immediately out of the gate, the first time we were all together, I said, my husband and I are having a very hard time. It has been the hardest year we have ever had. That was very hard for me to say. I had not said that to My children yet. But I said it to the ladies on camera. So that was a very big deal for me to come out and say that. It was stuff that I was processing myself. It was very hard for me to process without a camera, you know, let alone with a camera. So when they all said that to me at dinner, like, they were angry with me. I was like, my gosh, if I think someone's going through a hard time in their marriage, especially, you know, that Sutton, you know, has. She seems to have been very affected by her divorce. And I know that Garcelle also went through a hard divorce. Like, I don't understand that. Not, like, are you okay?

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, the lack of empathy or something.

[Megan]

The lack of empathy was shocking, especially since even though the audience did not know what was going on in my life, everybody else did. I'm talking about the other stuff that was happening in my life, not just the stuff in my marriage. I was just taken aback by the lack of empathy. And also, I just. I have learned that, you know, I've learned. It's taken me a long time, you know, to learn this about myself, but when I'm hurt, I act angry. So. And I. And I watch the show, and I'm like, why didn't I just say, you're really hurting me right now? Instead of. My immediate go to is like, to cover defense. Yeah, like, defense. You know, I think I grew up with a mom who, like, made me feel like showing vulnerability or, you know, weakness. It was a sign of weakness. So I immediately act angry. But, no, I was really hurt. I was like, why are they doing this to me? Why wouldn't they say, are you okay? You are going through a hard time? Instead of. And then the ring thing was just so dumb. I literally bought myself.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think what bothers me is that I have witnessed a lot of friends, close friends, going through relationship issues or marriages fail or divorce. Sometimes there is no. Everybody is looking for this one moment. Why did this happen? We have to automatically assume Mauricio cheated. Some people just grow apart. Some people start leading different lives. Their lives go in different directions. As a viewer, it looks to me like there's no real one incident that caused this. It looks to me like, especially this season, you seem very disconnected, both of you, and you seem like he's living his life. I mean, he's a very successful man. His business keeps growing, you know, at exponentially, and he's getting pulled in every direction, and it just seems like he's going one way and you're going to Another. The other thing that I have observed, and I. Me, personally, when I have gone through, you know, very traumatic or upsetting breakups, I do gravitate, maybe to a couple of friends or one friend, and that person becomes extremely close to me. And I. So with the Morgan rumors, I think it's okay to just understand that you guys are very close friends. You've been leaning on each other, and everyone wants it to be more. Everyone has all of these other scenarios or ideas of what is happening.

[Megan]

I have a group of friends that I lean on in the media. They only show Morgan, but she is part of a group of friends that. There are those friends that are the first text messages of the day, you know, immediately. You know, there's, like, tears of friendship. And you may love all of these friends, but there are different tiers. You know, my first text messages of the day are four different people. So. But, you know, if I'm walking down the street having lunch with them, they're usually cut out of a photo. Unless it was yesterday, where my friend Jana, who. You know Jana. I know Jana saying hi to me. We were saying goodbye at the Glenn center, and it looks like we're, like. The photo literally looks like we're kissing each other, which has happened to me before in the past. But I'm like, of course they want to use that photo. But usually they cut my friends out, unless it's Morgan. It's so funny. Like, you know, I was in Paris, and my friend Tina that I've grown up with since I'm 10 years old, she's cut out of every photo, but they don't know who Tina is. You know, it's like.

[Shane]

So they want to drive that.

[Megan]

Yeah. So that's the narrative they want. So that's been the focus. And, you know, I, of course, when you're going through a hard time, lean on my closest friends.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Megan]

And I said that in the show, in my interviews. You know, I. I never went to therapy before. I am in therapy now, but my friends were my therapists always, you know, and I grew up with a family of all women. And, you know, when I'm struggling, like, my friends are my. They're my therapists. They're my rock. And now that my kids are older, they're also, you know, like my rocks. You know, growing up, I was too busy taking care of them when they were little. But now, like, they help me, too.

[Shane]

It's amazing.

[Megan]

I share everything with them. Good, bad, the ugly. We all do. I mean, if you saw our text.

[Jeff Lewis]

Messages, but the narrative, obviously, you know, we are seeing what's in the media, and then the narrative they're trying to, you know, put out there or portray is that you and Morgan are an item of some kind. Now, I was actually thinking a lot about this because I've been looking at it from your perspective, and I was thinking, like, when I went through the breakup with Gage, I was very lucky because I had a dear. Like, it was a client I had worked with for a long time who became a dear friend, Julie Gross. I can't even believe how much I leaned on her. And I actually even thought. Because I was thinking of you, I actually even thought about calling her today and just thanking her, because she really got me through that year, and it was, like, the worst time of my life, and I leaned on her, like, exclusively, and that was who I was texting all day, and that's who I was having lunch with every day, and that's who I was working with all day and the whole thing. So, I don't know. I just. I just want another author, another perspective.

[Megan]

Way more than Morgan as well. But like I said, they're not shown. She doesn't even live here. She lives in Virginia. You know, the people I'm with every day, you know, are Teddi and Jen and Jana, my friend Tina, you know, and then, you know, so that's something.

[Jeff Lewis]

Else I thought about today. Teddi is a very good friend.

[Megan]

Very good friend.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I just think she got such a bad rap when she was on Beverly Hills.

[Megan]

She definitely did.

[Jeff Lewis]

I love Teddi. I've always liked Teddi, and. But I also feel very lucky that I got to know her, aside from the show.

[Megan]

See, the thing is, there's certain people I don't think you can really get to know on the show, Ironically, I don't. It's weird, but, you know, I do feel like people know me after 13 years, but I think she wasn't actually herself when she first came on the show. She was going through a hard time, personally, and I think she was very guarded. And I always think. And anyone who knows Teddi loves Teddi, and I always think, I wish they saw this Teddy.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, it's unfortunate.

[Megan]

It really is, because she's extremely intelligent. She's really funny. She's an incredible friend. I mean, these are the friends. And of course, they don't show this on the show, and people don't know this in my life, but, like, I was going through a medical thing, actually during Bravocon, where I was freaking out, and these are the friends that take you to the doctor and hold your hand while, you know, you're doing medical procedures and you know when she needs to get her. When I took her, when she had the melanoma on her back, I said, I've been looking at this mole since you joined the show and we're going to the doctor right now. And she's like, I don't. I said, we're going right now. Went straight from the hike to the doctor while they cut this thing out, I've taken her. While they cut into her back, while they've taken the stitches out. I don't care what time of day, if it's the first thing in the morning, you know, those aren't your core people.

[Jeff Lewis]

But she's not the only one that's got the bad rap. I think like there's a lot of one season people or two season people that you don't get. I personally really like Eden Sassoon and I didn't, you know, I don't know how you feel, but I went to college with her.

[Megan]

I got to know her well.

[Jeff Lewis]

I went to college with her. I really liked her. I don't think that, you know, she had the best edit either.

[Megan]

I also think there's people that people love that you wouldn't like in person.

[Shane]

That's interesting.

[Megan]

So, you know, it's just, it's just, it's interesting. I think a lot of it is.

[Jeff Lewis]

That who do I love that I wouldn't like in person?

[Shane]

Name them. Name them.

[Megan]

It's better over here.

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[Jeff Lewis]

What did you want to bring up? Kyle?

[Megan]

I wanted to bring up the fact we're talking about not drinking. Yes, and I know you wouldn't know about that, but I've cut back a lot though.

[Jeff Lewis]

Kyle. I've cut back a lot.

[Megan]

No, I was saying that, you know. How long has it been for you?

[Shane]

91 days today.

[Megan]

91 days.

[Shane]

I'm sorry to trip. Kyle. I think your phone is Playing music.

[Megan]

Oh, it's this little girl I like to look at on Instagram who's so funny.

[Shane]

That sounds weird.

[Megan]

I send her to my daughter Sophia, because she's so cute. Okay. My Instagram is full of kittens. Puppies.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I see. I have a lot of animal stuff.

[Megan]

On my dogs and. Yeah, so. Yeah, so that's where my life is at these days. So. No. So I was just saying to Megan that I. In all the years I've been on this show. Well, for years, I didn't know about the DMs. Well, first of all, when I started the show, we didn't even have Instagram. I had a BlackBerry when we started the show. Yeah, that's just to put things into perspective. But I am inundated every day with positive messages in my DMs, all about not drinking and people saying, you know, because of you, I have decided to also try that. Because of you, I've stopped drinking. I mean, it's just so crazy because.

[Shane]

Inspirational.

[Megan]

I mean, to be on a reality show, there's so much downside and there's so much negativity. But hearing these people say this, it's incredible to me. I've had people stopping me on the street now, and it just really. It's been really great. And I really do think there is a whole movement now. And for me, you know, because I didn't have a problem, it was easy for me. I literally have never looked back once. And I know for a lot of people, it is difficult and they do struggle, but hearing the people who are like 91 days and how unbelievably different they feel, I mean, I have never felt so physically strong. And you never look better and healthy in my life. Yeah, I'm talking going back to my 30s, whatever. You know, I. It's. It's a game changer.

[Jeff Lewis]

Can I ask you, Megan, because you. I used to drink a lot more frequently, and I would drink more. And I was talking to Carney about this this morning because she's sober.

[Megan]

Yes. Many years.

[Jeff Lewis]

She said that you can have, like, wet brain where you, you know, you're basically like, in a way, you're kind of always drunk. Like, you're, you know, you have four drinks and then so you might start drinking at five, and then you drink till ten, and then the next day you do it again and you never really get completely sober. I feel like I am not drinking every day anymore. I am not drinking at the frequency or the amount Good. I do feel better. I actually do Want to keep it is inspirational, Kyle, when I see you and Megan, because I am very shallow. And for me, I have never seen you guys look so good. That is really my motivation.

[Megan]

Well, for me, I can tell you. For me, it was a psychological thing. Of course, I was not feeling my best. What happened was I saw a paparazzi picture of myself looking disgusting. It was just a lot of different things at the time. And I had lost my best friend. There were so many different things. And all of a sudden I was like, I just don't want you right now. So I cut out all things, you know, alcohol, carbs, sugar, all the bad stuff. And I just. And I started working out every single day. I was actually away. I was in Australia, and I immediately, in about a week or so, was like, oh, that was awesome. I've already seen such a difference. And it wasn't like I drank every day. You know, on the show, you see us going to parties and drinking, but my personal life, I did not at all. So I was like, that's interesting. So I just kept going. And then I was like, oh, my God, I look so much better. I feel so much better. And I've never looked back. But for me, I have noticed, and I don't know if you have noticed this. Something changes. Even though I was not someone who drank all the time, something still changes in you. Something changes in you. Major. I don't know if it's psychological. I don't know what it is, but you change as a person.

[Jeff Lewis]

But, Kyle, what prompted all this? Was it everything going on with your personal life, and you're like, I just need to be clear.

[Megan]

Yes. I didn't want to wake up. First of all, I was somebody who. I was always a fun. You know, if I was drinking heavy margaritas, I was never. I was always fun. Everyone wanted me to drink. And that was part of who you are. Like, I'm the girl who comes to the party and has margaritas. Fun. Yeah, exactly. And people love that about me. So, I mean, that's why I got a lot of pushback of, like, why are you not drinking? That's so boring. But I would also wake up the next day and be very depressed. I'm somebody alcohol. Even if I had, like, two glasses of wine. I think because I'm so in tune with my body. Like, my friends will say, like, you can feel your hair grow. I'm way too in tune with myself. And if I had two glasses of wine just at dinner, the next day, I would have less energy and I feel like a little bit. A little down. Then I'd be like, I'm too tired to work out today. Oh, I feel like going to in n out and I need a cheeseburger, like, all that stuff. And then that would. That would also affect me, you know, anxiety as well. Yeah. So it was like a domino effect. So I just found that my. I found myself thinking, wow, I don't want to feel depressed. Like, I don't. I can't afford to feel depressed right now. I have already fighting what I'm dealing with in my marriage and losing Laureen and, you know, your sister. My sister. The stuff going on with my family, I couldn't afford. Like I said on camera, I couldn't afford to have a day of feeling depressed. So that was like a big factor in it. And then when I started feeling so different, it's like when you. When you feel good and you feel like you look good, it changes your mood automatically. Like, if you go get dressed up to go to an event and you feel like, oh, I hate my outfit, I hate my hair.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Shane]

Then you're in a different time. Yeah.

[Megan]

When you feel good about yourself, it's a completely.

[Shane]

And you have a good day.

[Megan]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Can I ask you something? I feel like, because I do radio every day, that I have an obligation to tell everyone what's going on in my life. It's like an obligation.

[Megan]

There's something about this that does do that.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I'm feeling like if I don't say. Say something, like I'm withholding or I'm not being honest or. And I feel like it's almost an obligation. Do you feel like, well, first of all, they're going to come for you in the reunion. Because I feel like these women aren't getting the answers they want. You know what I'm saying? Like, you'll answer it, but it's not the answer they want.

[Megan]

Everybody wants to hear what they want to hear.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Regardless if it's the truth or not. So that's what I have been dealing with a lot. You know, just like them saying, you're not, you know what's going on with you. I said, I don't know what else to tell you. Like, I mean, I share. I've shared my life for 13 years on this show. And some of the women you know will be like, kyle's not being honest. Meanwhile, I'm. I mean, no offense, but I'm watching people showing their dating coaches and their businesses they're pushing. I have shown. I mean, I'VE had a two year old birthday, to going to college, to learning to drive, to graduating college, to getting engaged to my family, my marital issues, to rumors about my marriage, to two siblings that have been cast members on the show, to my family falling apart. I've been, my, my friendship with, you know, my sexuality is being questioned. I mean, I have had everything across the board that you can name them. And these people are like, oh, be honest.

[Shane]

Be more honest.

[Megan]

I'm literally watching you guys with your dating coaches and showing your cashmere line. Well, great. I adore you. But like, I have given a lot on the show. I don't know, I can only, you know, I'm happy to share. I've had. I mean, I'm not happy to share. I'm happy to be honest. You know, I am an honest person and I can only share. There are certain things, like I don't keep a camera in my bedroom 24 hours. There are certain things. I wasn't going to tell things to these women before I had told my own children. I don't care about a reality show that much. And I care more about my children and my family and Mauricio and me and how we move forward than any TV show.

[Jeff Lewis]

Let me ask you this. If you knew exactly what was happening with Mauricio, so I'm assuming right now you guys are figuring it out, you're working on your marriage, you're not working on your marriage. I don't know if there was. If you knew exactly what was going to happen today, would you tell us?

[Megan]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Megan]

Yes, I would. So I'll tell you right now where we're at. I don't, I mean, and you know, we're all in therapy now, which, you know, it makes it easier for me because also Mo did not want to say, so I was in a weird position. I'm not going to say too bad I'm on a reality show. He's not signed up for this show.

[Jeff Lewis]

I see.

[Megan]

He didn't even want to. When it came out that we were having a problem and I put that post on our Instagram, he didn't want me to say that we're having a problem. And even my daughter said, you can't do that. It's obvious. And he, it was, It's a lot psychologically, you know, we've been together. I mean, I've been married almost my entire adult life and like, I don't even know what life is without being with Mauricio. It's hard and it's painful and it's scary. And I'm like, having to answer to these women who I don't know anything about their personal. I have no idea what they do when they're not on camera. I have no clue. But they want to know what's happening in my bedroom.

[Shane]

It's not fair.

[Megan]

It's not fair. And I get. Like I've said. But we live together in the same house in different bedrooms.

[Jeff Lewis]

Is there another home, too, that he will go to, like an apartment?

[Megan]

We are fortunately. We fortunately are in the position where we have other homes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Megan]

And I.

[Jeff Lewis]

So he can go to the other home. You can go to the other home.

[Megan]

Yeah, but we don't really. I mean, like, he spent a lot of time in Aspen recently while I was here. And then I went there for two weeks with our daughters. And, you know, if you didn't know us, you would think everything was normal because, you know, I'm making dinner, we're together, we're in different rooms, you know, And I have my house in La Quinta. But no, it's not. Like, you go here, I go there.

[Jeff Lewis]

But it's impossible. It's possible that the relationship is changing form. So it might just be a loving.

[Megan]

It has changed.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. And it just could be a very loving, close companionship, friendship, whatever. I want to throw something else in, too, because we both have very wealthy friends. What I have found is sometimes when a wealthy couple with lots of assets and businesses, they don't actually get divorced. They live separate lives. Because it's complicated to divide everything. Is that ever. Does that ever occur to you and Mauricio? Like, if this doesn't work, do we actually get divorced and start splitting things up and try to sell businesses? I mean, that seems very complicated.

[Megan]

That sounds very difficult. Yes. Well, that's not what my main focus is. I mean, if we're not going to be together, I would get divorced 100%. I would not live like that because psychologically, I would need to move on. I would never do that just for properties. You know, we did not have a prenup. My husband did not have a penny when I married him. I mean, we had to. You know, his grandparents gave us.

[Jeff Lewis]

You bet on him, but you. I mean, that was a good bet.

[Megan]

He was in the clothing business when I met him, making no money. And, you know, my mom lent us money. When we were first married, there was one Christmas, we didn't have any money for Christmas presents. You know, my mom gave me money, and then his grandparents helped us. So we built everything together.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Megan]

You know, and there's no prenup. I love when people say, oh, Kyle's just hanging. I love when I read these comments. Kyle's just hanging there for his money. Honey, he didn't have any money when I married him. And it's our money. And, you know, let's be very clear about that. So.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you would want.

[Megan]

It's very clean cut. It's. Everything is half regardless, so that's not an issue for me. And, I mean, we would probably just keep our homes. We don't fight. We're not a toxic couple. You never would see fighting in our home ever. I mean that seriously. I'm not just saying that. I asked my. We were talking about this with my kids the other day, and they said, we've literally never seen that. You say, like, getting annoyed with each other, and we're like, you know, but never fighting. It was not about that. So it would be. We just go our separate ways and maybe keep the houses.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. It's kind of. I would imagine being married so long, it's kind of your identity. It's who you were. Like, you said you spent your whole adult life with this man. It's got to be really, really, really tough.

[Megan]

It's really tough. I do feel like my entire identity is being a wife and a mom, and that's been really hard to wrap my head around, you know, And I'm. That's what I think. Part of my, like, you know, learning who I am without that. Even though obviously you're. No matter what. I'm a mom. I have four daughters, and they're my best friends, but he's also my friend, and I do love him very much. That's what's also hard. If it was one of these situations, you're like, oh, I can't stand this guy. This would be so easy for me. Of course it would be very easy. I.

[Shane]

It's easier to be angry. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Megan]

And I can guarantee you I do not want to be in this position. I never wanted to be in this position.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Megan]

I thought I knew where I would be until the day I died. So that's a lot to process.

[Jeff Lewis]

Your whole life got turned up.

[Megan]

My whole life. And obviously there were things. There was things that we had, you know, kind of dealt with since the beginning of our marriage that you kind of, like, put aside. You know, I was pregnant, nursing baby, you know, and then they'd come up again. And then you kind of get to a point where you're like, well, are we still Dealing with that. And then, you know, were there things. Yes, of course. Otherwise, I wouldn't be in this position I am today.

[Jeff Lewis]

Is there anyone on your current cast that you lean on or trust or call a good friend or. Because it sounds like you and Sutton are a little bit on the outs. Is that correct?

[Megan]

You know, so I care about her a lot. I was just hurt, you know, and so she did, you know, send me a text, and I responded, you know.

[Jeff Lewis]

Honestly, I used to send you an orchid.

[Megan]

She no more orchids. My house again. I feel like I'm in a florist.

[Shane]

A greenhouse.

[Megan]

Yeah. So. But, yeah, you know, what about Dorit? Dorit, obviously, we've gone through a little bit of a hard time. She's self involved, but I just think, you know. No, I mean, I care about Dorit and PK and their kids so much, but I just felt hurt by a lot of. I just felt like there was a lot of.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did she borrow all those clothes?

[Megan]

I don't know. I don't know anything about her clothing, but.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, I'm just wondering.

[Megan]

But she.

[Shane]

You mean in her interviews?

[Megan]

I don't think so. Yeah.

[Shane]

That felt disloyal to me when those interviews were.

[Megan]

Well, she said, I just feel replaced by Morgan. I mean, and I love Dorit. I mean that I'm not just, you know, not like, oh, I adore her. No, I love Dorit. I love her family. But she's never been. In the years since she's joined the show, that girl that I would, you know, the first morning call or going to work out with or going for breakfast or she. We've never had that relationship. We have a different one. But, like, So I was like, let's not exaggerate it for the sake of you doing an interview. Bite to have a moment, like, because that's just making problems worse for me, and she knows that. So I was like, thanks a lot. You know, that's not even true. So. And I'm always.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you find her confessional looks distracting?

[Megan]

I always find that confessional looks distracting everybody. Because, you know, when we started the show, I think season one had a clip in my plastic hair.

[Shane]

You look.

[Jeff Lewis]

Clip in my hair.

[Megan]

So I'm like, oh, my God, everyone's in costume.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis live every weekday on Sirius XM as well as the Jeff Lewis channel, exclusively on the Sirius XM app.

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