Lisa Barlow: BravoCon & Lawsuits

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Jeff Lewis Has Issues

Episode: Lisa Barlow: BravoCon & Lawsuits

Host: Jeff Lewis (SiriusXM)
Guest: Lisa Barlow (with appearances by John Barlow and Seth)
Date: November 26, 2025

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Main Theme & Purpose

In this episode, Jeff Lewis welcomes Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) star Lisa Barlow to discuss the latest BravoCon drama, the ongoing lawsuits surrounding cast members and their businesses, the realities of life on a hit show, and the interpersonal dynamics fueling the Salt Lake cast's current tensions. The conversation is candid, confrontational, and filled with signature wit and honesty as both Jeff and Lisa dissect rumors, accusations, alliances, and the high-stakes world of Housewife fame.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene: BravoCon & Yacht Drama

• BravoCon location and recap: Lisa joins from Las Vegas and jokes about her multiple appearances on Jeff’s show ([01:02]-[01:27]).
• Boat trip gone wrong: The Housewives’ group trip to the Caribbean (Cana 1, “billionaire island”) sets the stage for explosive drama where a baseless TikTok rumor about Seth (Meredith’s husband) is brought up by Britney ([02:17]-[04:05]).
  • Lisa Barlow: “Britney came into our suite on the boat and was…gassing her up before dinner…then at dinner, Britney had the most smug look on her face…It was so unnerving.” ([05:27])
  • Jeff Lewis: “To intentionally try to harm Meredith and her marriage and family publicly, I think is disgusting and revolting.” ([04:05])

2. Handling Rumor and Reputation

• Impact of baseless allegations: The cast confronts the harm of rumor-mongering and the absurdity of TikTok-level “info” becoming damaging gossip on-air ([07:13]-[08:45]).
  • Jeff: “Seth is now in a position where he has to defend himself publicly because people are idiots…Now he’s on the defensive…” ([07:35])
• Motivations for being on RHOSLC: Lisa and Jeff agree – it's about business, not fame.
  • Jeff: “I don't care about the fame…It is about money. And I know that's the way you are as well.” ([08:45])

3. The Dynamics of Housewife Alliances

• Brittany as an agent of chaos: Both Lisa and Jeff critique Brittany’s attention-seeking and emotional volatility; Lisa suspects some incidents are for airtime rather than authenticity ([08:57]-[09:43]).

  • Lisa: “She does the switch up fast…It’s crazy to see someone bounce so fast.”
  • Jeff: “Because she's dumb.”
  • Lisa: “I think she might be smarter than we think she is.” ([09:30]-[09:41])

• Production manipulation suspicion: Both question if certain dramatic moments (including the “rumor”) are nudged by producers ([24:30]-[26:29]).

  • Jeff: “I guess the first thing I thought was that she's the production company's lackey…” ([24:30])

4. Lawsuit Talk: The Business of Being a Housewife

• Lawsuits as part of doing business: Lisa and Jeff bond over the glut of frivolous litigation in entrepreneurship, dispelling the myth that settling a suit is an admission of wrongdoing ([18:25]-[20:44]).
  • Jeff: “When you settle a lawsuit, it doesn't mean you're guilty.”
  • Lisa: “Most lawsuits you're going to be in at about $100,000, so you have to decide…do I want to pay out 50,000?” ([19:26])
• Frustration with the narrative: Lisa is dismayed people focus on lawsuits rather than her business successes ([21:21]):
  • “Why aren't they talking about all the wins we have? Why is everything focused on Lisa does these naughty things that I don't do?”

5. Authenticity, Friendship, and Loyalty

• Standing by Meredith: Lisa and Jeff agree that the Lisa–Meredith bond is an authentic friendship, despite attempts by others to sow division ([16:06]-[17:30]).
  • Lisa: “They start doing it to me about Meredith…why is [our] friendship so threatening to them?”
• Advice for survival:
  • Jeff: “You have to have an ally…You’re doing this to promote your businesses and make money and retire wealthy…You have to stay very focused.” ([17:30])
  • Lisa: “I think we made a commitment to each other when we first started the show…” ([16:16])

6. The Perils of Playing Ball on Reality TV

• Responding to criticism: Lisa addresses a caller’s concern about her statement to Heather (“my life is so much bigger than yours”) and reflects on feeling misunderstood and defensive ([37:41]-[39:43]).
  • Lisa: “My intention…was me asking her to finally see me because…I do big things.”
  • Jeff: “You understand how it came off…It came off, like, elitist.”
• Advice from Jeff:
  • “You might just have to start playing the game a bit…and stop trying to prove yourself to people that aren’t your friends.” ([40:13])

7. Other Cast Member Commentary

• Whitney’s attacks on Lisa: Lisa argues Whitney is deflecting from her own business failures and using confrontation as an intimidation tactic ([40:51]-[41:51]).

  • Lisa: “If they want to talk about my business, that's fair, but we're going to talk about all of theirs. But Whitney didn't like when I talked back to her about her business.”

• Risks of 'nothing to lose' cast members: Jeff points out the dangers of having cast like Brittany or Monica Garcia who are unpredictable and have “nothing to lose” ([42:15]-[42:56]).

  • Jeff: “If it starts affecting your businesses…your marriage, you might want to exit. You don’t need it.”

• Lisa’s relationship with Angie: Lisa feels betrayed by Angie, who has made personal, damaging comments, but remains open to future reconciliation ([45:39]-[48:19]).

• Bronwyn’s legal troubles and authenticity: Lisa criticizes Bronwyn for not being transparent about her own legal troubles after fixating on Lisa’s ([29:17]-[30:59]).

8. Production Meddling & Authenticity Concerns

• Costume drama — loss of authenticity: Jeff is especially irked by obvious production interventions, like the inflatable lobster costumes, seeing them as fake and undermining the show’s integrity ([27:09]-[29:02]).
  • Jeff: “I am trusting…this is authentic and genuine. Now, I know you live an authentic life…When they start doing that shit, I start doubting everything.”
  • Lisa: “We lost all of that for costumes.” ([30:56])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Lisa Barlow

  • “Brittany came into our suite…gassing [Meredith] up before dinner...then at dinner, Brittany had the most smug look on her face.” ([05:27])
  • “You haven’t made it if you haven’t been sued.” ([21:21])
  • “Why aren’t they talking about all of the wins we have?” ([21:21])
  • “I do, you know, what most people would deem as big deal things. But in no way was I diminishing what Heather’s accomplished.” ([38:15])
  • “It is really scary when you have people with nothing to lose on a show.” ([42:58])

• Jeff Lewis

  • “To intentionally try to harm Meredith and her marriage and family publicly, I think is disgusting and revolting.” ([04:05])
  • “When you settle a lawsuit, it doesn’t mean you’re guilty.” ([18:25])
  • “You have to have an ally…you got to stay focused while you’re doing this.” ([17:30])
  • “You might just have to start playing the game a bit, right, and stop reacting.” ([40:13])
  • “If it starts affecting your businesses, your marriage, you might want to exit. You really don’t need it.” ([42:45])
  • "I am trusting when I’m watching Salt Lake City that this is authentic and this is genuine…when they start doing that shit, I start doubting everything." ([27:37])

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Intro and Setting the Scene: [01:02]–[02:17]
• BravoCon / Yacht Drama Recap: [02:17]–[05:27]
• Impact of Rumors & Defending Meredith: [05:27]–[08:57]
• Motivations for Housewifery: [08:45]–[09:41]
• Production and the Origin of Drama: [24:30]–[26:29]
• Lawsuit Talk: [18:25]–[21:21]
• Lisa and Meredith’s Friendship: [16:06]–[16:39]
• Heather, Angie, and Alliance Fallout: [15:01]–[17:30], [45:39]–[48:19]
• Lisa's Commentary on Bronwyn, Whitney, and Authenticity: [29:17]–[41:51]
• Calls from Listeners (noteworthy feedback): [35:03], [37:41], [40:29], [44:19]
• Production Manipulation & Authenticity Problem: [27:09]–[30:59]
• Closing Reflection on the Show’s Future: [42:45]–[44:14]

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Conclusion

This episode of Jeff Lewis Has Issues dives deep into the messy, high-pressure world of RHOSLC, highlighting everything from viral rumors turned storyline, to the real implications of public lawsuits, to who’s real and who’s playing for the cameras. Jeff and Lisa’s no-nonsense, occasionally biting perspectives cut through the Bravo drama, offering insight into the cost — emotional and professional — of being a Housewife, and what’s required to survive, and possibly thrive, in the eye of the storm.

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Transcript

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[Lisa Barlow]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have no problem prioritizing myself.

[Caller]

I'm glad that you're feeling so good.

[Lisa Barlow]

About this, but the truth is, I got fired and it's your fucking fault.

[Jeff Lewis]

She gets paid for this shit.

[John Barlow]

You get paid for this shit.

[Lisa Barlow]

Jeff Lewis has Issues.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis Has Issues. In today's episode, Lisa Barlow joins the show from Las Vegas. We talk about the beginning of BravoCon, bogus lawsuits, and the current state of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Good morning, Lisa. Good morning, Lisa. Is this your third time here or second time? I think it's gotta be the third, right?

[Lisa Barlow]

On your show or Vegas? No, on your show. The third time.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's what I thought.

[Lisa Barlow]

We've covered a lot of topics.

[Jeff Lewis]

We have. And did John Barlow come once and.

[John Barlow]

We put him on New York.

[Lisa Barlow]

In New York.

[Jeff Lewis]

Shit, I didn't even see John Barlow. Wait, hold on one second.

[John Barlow]

Oh, my God.

[Jeff Lewis]

I didn't know John was here. It was coming. Good, I'm glad. Well, John, why don't you get on mic then? I didn't even realize it. Sorry.

[Lisa Barlow]

I'm sure you want this. He's a talker. People think he's quiet, but he blabs.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, we have a lot to talk about because I am very. Team Meredith. Team Lisa. I am very disturbed by the most recent episode of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City where Britney is being painted as the victim. I can't even believe. So there's this. We should probably recap this. So you guys are on this beautiful boat. Oh, God, my. Sorry, my wires just got stuck. This beautiful boat. Where were you exactly?

[Lisa Barlow]

We were in Cana 1, but I think it's really. Can a win and it's love the way. You know what? It's so crazy every time someone would tell us the name of the island, which. It's a beautiful island. Jeff Bezos was there the week before. I think Michael Jordan was just there. I had no idea. It's like billionaire island. It was really chic, but it's in the middle of, like, the Caribbean, right? The Caribbean, Yeah. I had him look it up on a map.

[Seth]

Not near the Galapagos.

[Lisa Barlow]

I had no idea where it is and where it was. And it was not near the Galapagos Islands.

[Jeff Lewis]

So it was a bul. It was kind of a below deck crossover. Is that correct?

[Lisa Barlow]

Yeah, it was a crossover. It was a lot of fun.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now you've been.

[Lisa Barlow]

It was fun.

[Jeff Lewis]

You've been on cruises before. I know that. You have a. Yachts. Yachts.

[John Barlow]

Sorry, she's not on the Virgin.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm so sorry. I didn't disparage Lisa Barlow. Lisa, you've been on Carnival cruises your whole life.

[Lisa Barlow]

Shout out to Carnival.

[Seth]

I think she worked them.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you've been on yachts before. How did this yacht compare to what you're used to, Lisa Barlow?

[Lisa Barlow]

I mean, look up the yachts we've been on. Silver, Fast, Mogambo. What was the Samurai? Yeah, look him up. And then you tell me.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Lisa Barlow]

Captain Jason and his team were amazing. They did such a great job. It was such a big boat and they have such a small crew. And they killed it. It was a rough few days.

[Jeff Lewis]

Was that a dig? Should have been a more crew. Yeah, should have been more crew.

[John Barlow]

It could have been a couple more.

[Lisa Barlow]

I think like 12 to 18 would have been great.

[Jeff Lewis]

And how many were there? Six.

[Lisa Barlow]

You know, I only saw like six, but I'm sure there was more.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wow. Skeleton crew on such a big yacht.

[Lisa Barlow]

We were their first charter of the season, too. So it was like figuring out, like, their team and then our team. It was a lot.

[Jeff Lewis]

So during one of the meals, Brittany, which I do like, that Meredith calls her a pea brain, because I kind of feel the same way. Brings up the fact. Well, it wasn't even a fact. It was a rumor. Some rumor on TikTok. Some person was repeating something on TikTok that Seth was having an affair, which I just think is so incredibly destructive. And to put, I think to intentionally try to harm Meredith and her marriage and family publicly, I think is disgusting and revolting. And then Meredith obviously did not respond favorably. Who would? No, now. Because Meredith, I guess, responded so aggressively, allegedly, that now Britney is now she's Portraying herself as is Heather, as the victim. And I actually. I really enjoyed the last scene last night of you saying, look, why is everybody glossing over the fact that Britney said this incredibly defamatory thing about her family? And I just. I'm like, Cause you kept saying something like, this is crazy town. I don't understand. Why is no one.

[John Barlow]

She's in Charlie and chocolate factory land.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I was.

[Lisa Barlow]

And I didn't get chocolate. You know, it was so upsetting to me because Brittany came into our suite on the boat and was like, meredith, I just love you. You look so hot in your bikini. And was, like, gassing her up before dinner. And Meredith was like, okay, all is forgiven from, like, the consummate poking. But, like, just stop. You need to stop. And then at dinner, Britney had the most smug look on her face. She was getting, like, a little high off of being like, well, there's this thing on TikTok about you. I'm a safe space for you, Meredith. And it was so annoying. And I'm like, why are you doing this to Meredith? Meredith has always been, like, so open about their marriage, about how hard it is to be married. Like, conflict they've gone through and the resolution piece. So the fact that she was, like, getting a little high off of it was so unnerving. And, you know, after we got off the boat and got, like, home, I said to Brittany at the airport, I said, hey, do you understand how, like, you keep poking the bear and she's going to be upset? She's emotional. Meredith wasn't, like, angry upset. She was emotional upset, which is very different than being angry. And I'm like, don't you feel bad for bringing up her marriage? And she's like, no, I don't. And then I'm like, wow, that is awful. You don't feel bad. And then Brittany said, and if you take Meredith aside, I'm gonna have a problem with you, too. So that was, to me, like, a call to action for me to be like, you're a problem. You're not Merita's friend. You're not being my friend. And the fact that you're lumping me into my friend, being emotional and comforting her into something salacious and mean, it made me so upset.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, if I were sitting in that at that table, I would have come to Meredith's defense. Because what didn't make sense to me is that the rumor came from some random girl's Uber driver.

[John Barlow]

Like, it was less than nothing. It was less than nothing.

[Lisa Barlow]

I'm dead. According to TikTok. I don't know why we're believing.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't understand. And this is the one thing I have a little bit of an issue with, the Housewives franchise, where people are allowed to say these things. And then now you're in a position. Seth is now in a position where he has to defend himself publicly. Because people are idiots, right? I mean, not everybody, but there's a. You know, the world has a lot of idiots that just believe what Brittany is saying. And so now he's in the. In the. He's on the defensive now. And so is Meredith. Defending their marriage over some rumor on TikTok from some friend of a friend's Uber driver. It's just. It's absurd. And I. I don't know how you guys do it. I know why you do it, which is, I think, one of the reasons why I have gravitated towards you, because I think you and I are very similar, that you're. You're an entrepreneur. This is a big platform for you to promote your businesses. It creates streams of income. That's why I do this. I don't care about the fame. I could give a shit. It is about money. And I know that's the way you are as well. And I've said this over and over. I think it's a different kind of person who does this for notoriety and fame, which, in my opinion, is Britney.

[Lisa Barlow]

I agree with you.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I don't know what kind of childhood trauma. I don't know what happened, where you feel like you have to go to these great lengths just for attention. I don't get it at all.

[Lisa Barlow]

Well, because you get attention naturally. I think there's a big difference. Like, Britney's always seeking out attention. I've been very defensive of Britney this season. I was a great friend to her. I didn't know what happened on the RV trip when I wasn't there. But, like, she does the switch up fast. I think emotionally, it's crazy to see someone bounce so fast. All the girls come at her, make fun of her to her face, aren't always that nice to her. And the way she just bounces back, it's like, different than how I bounce.

[Jeff Lewis]

Back because she's dumb, and it's because she's dumb.

[Lisa Barlow]

You know, I think she might be smarter than we think she is.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't think so. You're getting too much credit.

[Lisa Barlow]

I think she's calculated how she.

[Jeff Lewis]

Not in a. Not in a smart way.

[Lisa Barlow]

Well, she did it for attention. This whole debacle with Meredith. And the plane was for attention. There was a producer right behind us. There was a producer in 1A. So if Meredith were screaming so loudly on the plane that they purported, there would have been people that stepped in. I got up at one point and talked to one of the producers behind me and said, hey, Meredith's so upset. I think we need to have a conversation off the plane. And it was an emotional upset. I've been there. I was there in Mexico last year when Whitney dropped a rumor about John being jerked off at parties while I make out with girls. It's upsetting. When you love your marriage and you work hard on your marriage and things aren't true, you get upset. Meredith was so emotional. And I think, like, the thing is, Meredith and I have gone through this for six seasons with the girls, where every year it's a rumor about our business. It's a rumor that's a blatant lie about us, and then it's one about our marriage.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm so distracted by the John getting jerked off comment.

[John Barlow]

Like, when are the parties? Send me the eviction.

[Lisa Barlow]

They're not our parties. If we were there.

[Jeff Lewis]

I like to get jerked off too, John, but not at parties.

[Seth]

No, but it's not with your spouse making out with someone next to you.

[Lisa Barlow]

I didn't love it.

[Seth]

A little uncomfortable.

[John Barlow]

I. I didn't think about crew being on the plane. Someone would have whipped out an iPhone. Someone would have set her down. Someone would have, you know, if they.

[Lisa Barlow]

Were so upset about it, why didn't they come over and coddle Meredith and be Meredith's friend?

[Jeff Lewis]

Where's the video? Where's the video?

[Lisa Barlow]

Where's the video? Where's the proof? There is no proof. You know what? There was me and Meredith sitting next to each other. I literally, when she was awake and upset, I would hold her hand and say, meredith, I love you. I'm your friend. I've got you. You're good. I get it. I've been there. I know how it feels. They don't get it because it's always targeted at me and Meredith. And when I watched what they were saying on the show, it was disgusting. I'm like, you're always disparaging us. You're, like, lying about, like, me and Meredith, and that's the only thing they have to talk about. This is the constantly. Constantly.

[Jeff Lewis]

This is the suggestion I would make to you. I think you two. You and Meredith are the queen bees. I think you are the socialites. I think that the show is built around the Two of you. We all know that. Are they jealous? Yes. Just don't say it. You can think it. You can. You can text me like, they're so jealous. I'll be like, yes, those bitches are jealous. Don't say it publicly, because then you look like a. And you're not a. I know you. We've hung out. Don't say it like, yes, you're pretty, you're rich, you're all of these things. Don't say it. You can say it to me, but just don't say it on camera. Right. Because that makes.

[Lisa Barlow]

I don't think I do.

[Jeff Lewis]

It just makes them want to take you down even more. I believe Meredith was totally targeted. I think if I was. If I was behind Brittany, and honestly, if she had done that to me, I would have spent the eight hours on the flight talking shit about so much shit, and I would say it loud enough so she could hear me. Would I push her chair? No. Would I pull her hair? No. Because it didn't happen.

[Lisa Barlow]

It didn't happen. Can you imagine Meredith Marks pulling?

[Jeff Lewis]

No.

[John Barlow]

Literally, no.

[Lisa Barlow]

No.

[John Barlow]

I was watching, and I was like, okay, maybe she. Yeah. Got up to go to the bathroom, balance herself, whatever. That's like. That's what you do on a plane. I don't.

[Lisa Barlow]

Like.

[John Barlow]

I don't know.

[Lisa Barlow]

I mean, it's. She literally was like, lisa, you were up asleep. I held the chairs to climb over you. That is not shaking something.

[Jeff Lewis]

She didn't want to disturb you.

[Lisa Barlow]

No, but, I mean, it's par for course for these girls to do that. It's like. And then to lump me in it. Meredith's upset, so it's Lisa's fault, and Lisa needs to fix it, but none of us need to fix that. I'm throwing diamonds. I just threw a ring.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, no, not another.

[John Barlow]

Always losing rings because you're so skinny.

[Jeff Lewis]

They just fly right off of you.

[Lisa Barlow]

I need to be skinnier.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did you find your ring?

[Lisa Barlow]

No, I'll find it when I get up.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's probably that makes me nervous, but.

[Seth]

Okay.

[Lisa Barlow]

No, we're good. Oh, maybe not. It's all right. We'll find it later. We have more important things to talk about.

[Jeff Lewis]

But all our jewelry is insured now, right?

[Lisa Barlow]

Most of it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, good.

[Lisa Barlow]

Yeah. The first time it was not insured. We don't need.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you have a safe at home?

[Lisa Barlow]

We do have a safe at home.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. You know where I'm finding that these. These people that are breaking into homes, they. So a friend of mine was robbed recently. They ransacked the primary suite. They took the pillowcases off the bed to fill the pillowcases with things. They never went in the kitchen at all, which is where this person kept.

[John Barlow]

Their values, all their jewelry, safes and kitchens.

[Jeff Lewis]

Kyle Richard told me the same thing because she said they put that ladder up to the second floor window and they went in the primary suite. They never went in any other area of the house.

[Lisa Barlow]

I knew someone who would store everything in their freezer.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's smart.

[Lisa Barlow]

And we would make fun of them. And it was the 80s and the 90s and we're like, oh, look at the important papers in the freezer. And there you go.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you put names of your enemies in the freezer? Because I do know.

[Lisa Barlow]

But should I physically start doing that?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. It actually, I think symbolically, I do.

[John Barlow]

Think icing them out karmically.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, you.

[Lisa Barlow]

I'm going to do this.

[Jeff Lewis]

Which is why my new house has three freezers. Because we have two. Because there's one for food and one for me. I have a lot of enemies.

[Lisa Barlow]

Jeff's like, it's completely full. As long as my name's never in there, we're good.

[Seth]

Just have a huge meat locker.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I do. So here's the thing. I always wonder why I think Heather is kind of the self appointed queen bee.

[Lisa Barlow]

I found it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Good. I'm glad you found the ring. I don't know why she involves herself in everything. And when everyone started, there was like four girls that rallied behind Britney, right? Was it four? It was Angie, it was Mary, it was Heather. Is there anyone else?

[John Barlow]

Bronwyn. Where's she falling?

[Jeff Lewis]

This Bronwyn stayed kind of neutral, which I think is smart. She stayed out of it.

[Lisa Barlow]

She wasn't there. So I think it was a good thing to do. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Take another flight separately.

[Lisa Barlow]

Yeah. So she was on a different flight. So I think it's good that she stayed out of it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Sometimes I think Heather, she gets involved in things that are none of her business. I think she very much. And I like Heather. I think she's a great part of the show. I think she's very smart, very articulate. Sometimes I don't know whose side she's on. I feel like she switches. She switches teams a lot, which must be hard for you, trying to trust these women. I will say I have spent time with Meredith. I've hung out with her. She's been on the show. She is very loyal to Lisa Barlow.

[Lisa Barlow]

I'm loyal to her too. And you should not let friendship.

[Jeff Lewis]

Anyone else get in between you two. Don't let that happen, because she is very loyal to you.

[Lisa Barlow]

I think we made a commitment to each other when we first started the show that we know each other, we know who we are, we know what our friendship's like. And I think when it's new, being in a new group of girls where they have lots of opinions and have different intentions than we did, I think it was a little harder in the beginning, but now we don't. We see through all the BS like, we see through the bullshit. It's like, oh, you're just trying to pin us against each other. You're not winning at getting Merida to have an issue with me. Look at how many times this year the girls have gone to Meredith and said, lisa's not your friend. Lisa did this. Lisa's doing this when I wasn't doing anything. And Meredith and I had such good communication that it was hard to break the bond. And then, you know, they start doing it to me about Meredith, and it's. I don't know why it's such a threatening friendship to them, but it really is.

[John Barlow]

I thought it was a sweetie.

[Lisa Barlow]

You have a really hard time with us being friends.

[John Barlow]

It was a sweet moment where she was about the camping trip, and she was just turned to me and said, I did stand up for you on the camping trip. And you're like, enough said. Got it?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. I believe her, and you should.

[Lisa Barlow]

And we're good friends. So I know it's like, really in her heart, really what she's thinking and feeling, and she's been a great friend to me.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's the Hunger Games. And you. I mean, you two, you have to have an ally. You have to have an island, an ally. And you got to stay focused while you're doing this. Why are you doing this? Right? You're doing this to promote your businesses and make money and retire wealthy. That's why you're doing this. And you have to stay very focused. I. Look, I think you're a genuine person. I think you're real. I've got to know you, you know, off television. And I. I. The thing is that you remind me a little bit of Shannon Beador, because you're not playing a housewife. You are who you are, and you're very emotional, and it's raw. And I think, as a result, you react, and these girls get to you. In regards to. I. Another thing that I just understand about you and John having businesses being in business are lawsuits. It just. It is the name of the game. It is what we deal with. I don't know how many attorneys I have now. Seven, eight?

[John Barlow]

I think you're right up there.

[Lisa Barlow]

I think it's more.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's just part of doing business. And the more businesses, the more lawsuits. Some are dismissed, some are settled. And by the way, we should talk about settling for a second. When you settle a lawsuit, it doesn't mean you're guilty. And my dad owned a chain of convenience stores. All sorts of bullshit lawsuits, my dad thinks. He said to me one day we had a. Which I've talked about. It's really fucking funny. This woman sat down on the floor, said she on the floor of one of his convenience stores said she fell on her vagina and it ruined her sex life.

[Lisa Barlow]

Oh, my God. I think that deserves a shout out. Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

These people, you know, they don't have any money. They're desperate. My dad was like, do. This is stupid. This just did not happen. Do I lawyer up, you know, a minimum retainer of $25,000, then risk going to trial? Or do I just throw this bitch 10 grand? And that's what. That's what you do.

[Lisa Barlow]

Her vagina was worth $10,000. Her sex life was worth $10,000. But no, that's what you do sometimes because it's not a smart business. Doing business. Yeah, and it's weighing the options. I mean, most lawsuits you're going to be in at about $100,000. So you have to decide upfront, do I want to spend a hundred thousand dollars fighting this or do I want to pay out 50,000? So I think you're weighing your options, John. And I learned really easy on that. People are litigious. We're not litigious, but people are litigious. And you have to decide when you're going to fight, who you're going to fight and why you're going to fight them, because you also don't want to become a target. And, you know, when Bronwyn brought up these lawsuits, I thought it was so dumb. I was at Amy Steele's party when I first heard about it, and I'm like, okay, you're bringing up one dismiss, one. One rescinded lawsuit from 2018. That's done. We didn't pay out anything. We didn't even settle them. They're dismissed.

[Jeff Lewis]

Even if you did pay?

[Lisa Barlow]

Even if we did, it's not a problem.

[Jeff Lewis]

Doesn't mean you were guilty.

[Lisa Barlow]

Doesn't mean we're guilty.

[Seth]

I like to point out, too, is nothing's criminal, and there's a big Difference. Civil.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Businesses get sued all the time for, like you said, broken vaginas. Yes, but that's. That's not. That's a civil. That's not criminal.

[Jeff Lewis]

There's.

[Seth]

And there's no criminal stuff.

[Lisa Barlow]

I. I guess we've never had criminal allegations against us. And even to bring up lawsuits, I literally kept saying, nobody sues the bottom. You don't go after someone where there's not a.

[Jeff Lewis]

No one's gonna sue you, Shane.

[John Barlow]

Thank God.

[Lisa Barlow]

Oh, my gosh. I think people would sue Shane.

[John Barlow]

Have you.

[Lisa Barlow]

I don't want people sued you, Jeff, for things like this where you just settled.

[John Barlow]

No one sues the bottom.

[Jeff Lewis]

Of course I've been sued.

[Lisa Barlow]

I think my vagina's hu. I don't know. Look and feel like I'm feeling a sharp pain.

[Jeff Lewis]

What Lisa said, the more. The more money you make, the more success we become, the bigger target, the more people want it.

[John Barlow]

I can't wait to get.

[Lisa Barlow]

You know what? Can I point something else out?

[Jeff Lewis]

You've been sued.

[Lisa Barlow]

You've made it. Yes. You haven't made it if you haven't been sued. But I would love for them to celebrate my wins, too. I sold a company two years ago. Where are the accolades? Where are people saying, oh, my God, Lisa's amazing. We have a new hard seltzer. We're one of the top selling seltzers in Utah. We own a lounge on Main street in Park City. It's beautiful. It's big. Why aren't they talking about all of the wins we have? Why is everything focused on Lisa does these naughty things that I don't do. I'm always getting the false allegations.

[Seth]

It's tough seeing our son's business. We started Fresh Wolf with boys.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Seth]

Love Fresh Wolf as a teaching, you know, example, I guess they have ownership in the brand and so it's something they can learn from. And we have a give back program to foster care. And it's really hard seeing their business denigrated.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Lisa Barlow]

Jack is 21 years old now. He lived in a foreign country for two years. He's completely fluent in Spanish. He came home and he's like, I understand all the misses and the gift I had with Fresh Wolf. I understand how hard it is to create a brand. We had a chemist. It's bespoke everything. So for Jack, he's coming home and it's like you're tearing down something that I started when I was 14. I have serial entrepreneur parents. They were lucky. I was lucky. They invested in me. And he has A solid brand. It's on Amazon. It's on freshwolf.com, but the thing is, though, to say it's not a real brand and it's fake. He saw me create a brand with the Bella twins. He saw how hard that was, and we sold it. But, Lisa, he's trying to do it for himself.

[Jeff Lewis]

When you get really defensive and have these huge, big reactions. If I was on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, you would poke me. Because I would want the reaction.

[Lisa Barlow]

I would want the reaction.

[Jeff Lewis]

I would not. I'd poke Brittany, but I would.

[Lisa Barlow]

No, but I mean, that's what the other girls do. They want the reaction from me.

[Jeff Lewis]

And because they get the reaction.

[Lisa Barlow]

They do. I mean, usually it takes three or four hours to get it, but they get it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, just like when you had that luncheon and you had to prove to everyone about. You got nothing to prove. And I think. I think just by you saying, hey, this is the cost of doing business. You know what? I've got multiple businesses. This is what goes on. You get sued. You know, I just. If you. If you answer that. But when you had. When you felt the need to really prove to those girls, which, by the way, why do you feel the need to prove to those girls?

[Lisa Barlow]

Well, I. I agree with you a hundred percent. In hindsight. I was on a trip. I was on a work trip, and I got back, and I'm like, I have nothing to hide. You want to look at it. You want to investigate it? Let me make it easy for you. We'll go through every lawsuit page by page, and you'll understand the truth. Because what they were putting out was a lot of hearsay. They read the plaintiff side. They didn't pay the $25 to get the defendant side, our side. And so I'm like, maybe I'll help educate them on, like, what a lawsuit really means and when you should be worried about one. And then, you know, I had some great rebuttals to a lot of questions that you guys didn't get to see. But I also think it's like, don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[John Barlow]

I also loved all the beautiful photography included in your presentation.

[Lisa Barlow]

Thank you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you think that when Brittany brought that up on the cruise ship, I guess the first thing I thought was that she's the production company's lackey and that they're telling that dipshit what to do and say. Did it ever occur to you that that. Or Meredith, that that comment about Seth's alleged affair that. That came from production.

[Lisa Barlow]

I asked Brittany, I flat out asked her. I said, where did you get the TikTok? So on the plane on the way home, that's why I leaned forward, because Meredith said to Whitney one time, where's this alleged TikTok? Because I've looked on TikTok and I haven't seen it. So I leaned forward and Whitney was like, shut up, Meredith. And then I leaned forward to Brittany, who was sitting right in front of me, and I said, brittany, if you have the TikTok, just fucking show Meredith the TikTok. So she can see that you didn't just make this up. Because right now it looks like you just made it up.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Lisa Barlow]

And that you were told to say it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did she ever produce the TikTok?

[Seth]

No.

[Lisa Barlow]

She just kept saying no. No.

[Jeff Lewis]

So Meredith, still to this day, no one. No.

[John Barlow]

We heard an audio of it on the show. I mean, I don't know if that was the actual thing, but they played something that.

[Lisa Barlow]

They did not show that on the boat, on the plane, or anytime thereafter. I don't know where that came from.

[John Barlow]

So she could have made it up.

[Lisa Barlow]

Yeah. And it's funny because she said, I showed it to Whitney on the beach one time. I think she showed it to her multiple times. I mean, it was targeted to make Meredith upset, to denigrate her marriage that she works hard on. And, you know, Seth and Meredith and are. Are in a great place. It's hard to keep going backwards. Some of these girls just like to live in the past. Like, they just want to keep going backwards on situations. But I thought it was really creepy that, like, 45 minutes before the dinner, Brittany came in our room and was trying to, like, make sure Meredith liked her, was gassing her up. So it was like a complete switch up by the time we got to dinner.

[Jeff Lewis]

I would normally.

[Lisa Barlow]

Not easy. She won't poke back if you don't poke her.

[Jeff Lewis]

I would normally not blame production, but I do think, you know, I've said before that Brittany's a moron. And that's why I don't know if she has an independent thought. And that's why I thought that maybe it could have come from production. The other thing I want to tell you is that I. Which I do not appreciate. And I know Meredith Marks. Meredith Marks is never going to dress up as an inflatable lobster. And I just thought that was so stupid, so ridiculous. She is a classy, sophisticated, educated woman. To. For her to put on some sort of lobster costume and Throw the stuffed animal over. I'm sorry. That was production.

[John Barlow]

He gets really triggered when production.

[Lisa Barlow]

I get triggered by all of the costumes. And I think it was so weird. It was so out of character. I, like, can't fathom that will ever happen again. But I get why I watch it. And I'm like, this is so weird. Why are they in inflatable costumes in the middle of the. Why did you pack that? We had, like, a weight limit to even get to that island. Why would you waste valuable space in your suitcase packing inflatables?

[Jeff Lewis]

You could have done another pair of shoes.

[Lisa Barlow]

Could have had shoes or another bag.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I just. That stuff pisses me off. If I was a Bravo executive, I would call and I would fire that showrunner asap. Because here's the problem. I am trusting when I'm watching Salt Lake City that this is authentic and this is genuine. Now, I know you live an authentic life, as does Meredith. When they start doing that shit, I start doubting everything. And you're going to lose my trust, and I'm going to move on to another show. I just. I'm sorry. I'm really mad about it because it's. It's. I'm not a moron. I'm not a moron like Brittany. Like, you can't. You cannot fool me with this. That's. That's not Meredith, Mark. She's not going to put on a lobster costume ever. Even for Halloween? No.

[Lisa Barlow]

Shoot.

[John Barlow]

She would be something cool and sexy. For Halloween.

[Lisa Barlow]

Yeah, for Halloween. And then it was. It was really interesting watching it back. And it just was like, this is so weird. Like, I would never do this. We don't do that on our trips. No, we go on.

[Jeff Lewis]

You don't dress as lobsters?

[Lisa Barlow]

No, we don't dress nicely.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then obvious, of course. The stuffed animal that was thrown overboard was recovered at the end of the episode. It was all like. It's all bullshit. Stop. Stop with it. You've got this great cast with all this, like, brilliant content. You do not have to produce this shit.

[Lisa Barlow]

Well, I didn't think there was a lot of depth and dimension on that trip. So I think when you have so many people that have a lot of things going on in their life all in a confined space for three days. When I watch it back, I'm like, oh, my gosh. There was so much more to talk about.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Lisa Barlow]

There were so many levels and layers we could have, like, peeled back on. You know, Bronwyn showed up and was like, oh, I had some legal cases But I don't need to talk about it. They're sealed. And it's like you just spent like five weeks talking about me.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Lisa Barlow]

And my legal cases. Let's talk about yours. You know, the false accusations on me. She started the accusations. First pointing the finger at Whitney. And then of course, it got spun on to me. But I'm like, we could have dove into that. Like, why does this keep happening? Why do you guys keep blaming me for things you're either doing or somebody else is doing? There were so many other conversations we could have had cuter looks. We didn't need inflatables. We didn't need Zombie Night. It was so dumb.

[John Barlow]

That kind of. To your point, though, Bronwyn just, like, stonewalled. She was like, I'm not talking about the lawsuits. And that was it.

[Lisa Barlow]

She was much more nervous when she got on the boat than you're seeing. She did not want to talk about it. She was much more nervous. You know, it doesn't make sense to me why she wanted to dig up everything on my whole entire life, I've never cared enough to do that for her. Like last year, I saw who she was. And, you know, I think when you're not authentic and when someone's like, she lies a lot. Like, I think Bronwyn lies a lot, you can hear her change. Allegedly omit words. Yeah. No.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I think I don't want to turn any letters we could have. No, I don't want another lawsuit, Lisa. Don't drag me into this.

[Lisa Barlow]

I'm not dragging you into it, but I just think there's like, there's so much more we could have talked about. Like, why the girls have issues with Bronwyn and then act like they don't to her face. Like, I would have liked to have more in depth conversations about each one of us because I think you have stronger relationships when there's depth and dimension.

[Jeff Lewis]

I agree with you.

[Lisa Barlow]

So for me, we lost all of that for costumes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. Like, I want to see you connect.

[Lisa Barlow]

Yeah, probably.

[Jeff Lewis]

You and Meredith. I want to see you connect on a deeper level.

[John Barlow]

I want to see you and her laying in bed, drinking Diet Coke, talking shit.

[Jeff Lewis]

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[John Barlow]

I'll be in the headphones.

[Caller]

Oh, hey, what's up?

[John Barlow]

Hey, Beth.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey Beth. What's your question or comment?

[Caller]

So I just wanted to say thank you. Thank you so much, Deaf, for giving the perspective on what happened. Because it seems to me like all these women are getting behind Britney when she's such an ignoramus. Number one. I'm not really sure if Osmond just paid somebody to get her on this show. I have no idea why they even chose her. But it's like cringy every time she's on the screen. She's unintelligent and she's totally going after Meredith's marriage. I don't. And I think she's trying to become relevant because she can't do it with intelligence.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you very much. I absolutely agree with you. I think she's the pick me girl. I think it's cringy to watch. Look at it like it's, to me, it's stunt casting. I think she was, I think she, she makes no sense to the franchise, but I think they do it in order to stir it up.

[John Barlow]

I don't agree. I mean she's great casting. She's a crazy person. Like, she's like an absolute psycho. Like, I think it's she. And she'll do whatever the production wants. She'll bring up whatever story. Like, I mean, casting wise, I think she's a good pick. But if I were to know her, I would, I wouldn't be able to have a conversation with her.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was thinking about this. So last night I was at Margaret Joseph's. Thank you so much for your call, Beth. Soiree party. And there were a couple. There was A few people there that weren't invited. And actually there was a lot of people that weren't invited. And Margaret came over to me. She's like, I don't even know who half these people are. And I just. It's interesting. And I was thinking to myself that people with nothing to lose are the scare. My dad always tells me this are the scariest people. And I think Britney, she just wants it so bad with nothing to lose. And that. That makes for a very dangerous character, like a Monica Garcia.

[Lisa Barlow]

It is dangerous. And I think she loved the attention she finally got from all of the girls. Know having an issue with Meredith.

[Jeff Lewis]

I told you at the break, she was pitched to be on the show. And I said, no, I just can't. I don't know how I can make her look good. Do you know what I'm saying? I would have to. Because part of this job is you have to, you know, you have to really kind of look deep. Sometimes it's easy, like today, but to find, you know, to find redeeming characteristics, and I think that's just a job I'm not up for.

[John Barlow]

She just sang. Didn't say any words.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right. Okay, I should. We should take this. This is Donna in Cleveland for Lisa. Hi, Donna.

[Lisa Barlow]

Hi, Donna.

[Caller]

Hi, Jeff. Hi, Jeff. Hi, Lisa. And shout out Shane.

[John Barlow]

Shout out Donna.

[Caller]

Well, this isn't going to make you look good, Jeff. Lisa. Lisa. Do you ever hear the shit that is coming out of your mouth? How in the world could you say something like you did to Heather? My life is so much bigger than yours. If I were to say that to one of my friends, I may get a slap in the face.

[Lisa Barlow]

You know, I hear what you're saying and I understand why you're saying it. My intention in what I was saying to Heather was to say I was at a work event. I do work. You've come to my work events. Heather, she's been at events that I've had since I've met her over the last, like, seven years where she knows I work really hard. I do, you know, what most people would deem as big deal things. But in no way was I diminishing what Heather's accomplished. I've always been supportive of Heather. When her new docu series came out, I was one of the first to message her and say, I'm so proud of you. Same with Beauty, Love and Laser. I've always been super supportive of her business and her books. So for me, it was me asking her to, like, finally see me because I'm like, you don't understand. I was at work. This was an opportunity all the girls took to, like, defame me, disparage me. Never talk about anything that I'm doing that is of consequence or, you know, things that I've put a lot of effort into. So for me, it wasn't to diminish her. It was like kind of a call to action. Like, hey, can you please just see, like, I am doing things and I do big things, and I. I tried really hard to include all of you in my life, and I just felt really hurt that they took a moment that I wasn't there to disparage me and.

[Jeff Lewis]

But you understand how it came off.

[Lisa Barlow]

I totally.

[Jeff Lewis]

It came off, like, elitist. It came off. It really did.

[Lisa Barlow]

You know what? I thought I was talking to a friend. So for me, my intention wasn't to knock anyone or to say, I'm better than anyone. I obviously don't think that. I don't think that I'm saying it right now. But for me, I understand how it came across. And, you know, there was a lot of emotion at that lunch. I cried. I was so upset that my friends were talking about me, and I felt defensive and hurt.

[Jeff Lewis]

They're not your friends. No. Sorry. They're not your friends.

[Lisa Barlow]

No.

[Seth]

You got.

[Jeff Lewis]

You might just have to start playing the game a bit, right, and stop reacting.

[Lisa Barlow]

It's hard for me to play games.

[Jeff Lewis]

And stop getting defensive and stop trying to prove yourself to people that aren't your friends.

[Lisa Barlow]

Jeff's 100% right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Taylor and Del Ray Beach. Hi, Taylor.

[Caller]

Hi. Shout out, Shane.

[John Barlow]

Shout out. Hey.

[Caller]

Lisa, I love you so much. You're an icon, just like Teresa Judas, like the Alexia Napoleon, because you're totally real and you're authentic. Why is Whitney with her Chucky hair coming for you so hard? Is she trying to clench her spot for next season?

[Lisa Barlow]

She did come for me quite hard. I thank you, and you're so sweet. Thank you. And I love your name, Whitney. It was so weird. Like, I felt like she was deflecting. They kept saying I was, but, you know, I told Heather that if they want to talk about my business, that's fair, but we're going to talk about all of theirs. But Whitney didn't like when I talked back to her about her business. In fact, it was all beeped out. And so for me, I was like, hey, if you guys want to start, you got to be able to finish, and you bought it. You have to be able to talk about your businesses, too. And I think she just Started coming from me as, like, kind of like a scare tactic or something. I don't know. I think she thought it would intimidate me into not talking anymore about her business, which I didn't even want to do in the first place. I.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, she's dealing with embarrassment and shame over the business failure. And I actually feel for her. I do. I also think she's a blink.

[Lisa Barlow]

She was 100% honest. She doesn't need to say blonde.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's blonde.

[John Barlow]

She's back blonde. Thank God.

[Lisa Barlow]

She wasn't honest about her current situation. And I think that was upsetting me, too, because I was sitting there being completely transparent and honest with all the girls about, like, the last 18 years of my life. And I felt like she was hiding hers. Got ahead of it by putting out, like, I just failed. I'm sad and we're going to move on instead of actually really talking about, like, the inner workings which they were requiring me to do.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you so much for calling. You know, it'd be really scary if they brought Monica Garcia back because then she would form an allegiance with Britney, and then you've got two with nothing to lose. And I would be scared for people that have everything to lose like you two. I would be scared to be on that show. I would, personally. Oh, yeah. And there's. I mean, there might be a point where you have to exit. If they start. If it starts affecting your businesses, your professional reputation, your marriage, you might. You might want to exit. You don't need it. You really don't need it.

[Lisa Barlow]

No, we don't need it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Use them for as long. Yeah, use them for as long as you can. And then if it gets. If it gets too crazy, you gotta. You gotta bow out.

[John Barlow]

But please don't, because I love watching it.

[Lisa Barlow]

You know what? I love Salt Lake. And I'll tell you why. I helped bring the show to Utah, and I really helped, like, bring everything to fruition. I didn't expect it to go this way. And I think it is really scary when you have people with nothing to lose on a show. That can be a great platform for so many things. Like, you can learn so much from watching someone that you relate to that's going through something hard, that's accomplished something. There's so much to gain from this. It doesn't always have to be like, I'm going to wreck you. I'm going to ruin your life. I want your marriage to end, your businesses to suck. It doesn't have to be like that. I've never Been that way as a girlfriend outside when I'm on the show, it's sometimes hard for me to think people actually have bad intentions towards me or Meredith, and their goal is to defame you, denigrate your character, diminish everything you've accomplished, hurt your marriage, put, like, things that ruin your good name out there. You know, it's really hard for me, and it really affects me when it happens to my family, like, my children and John. Like, I get very upset when people say things that aren't true about John. He's, like, north facing, amazing, great moral compass, great husband, great dad. Like, I'm blessed. I don't want my marriage denigrated.

[Jeff Lewis]

Line four, sue and self, Carolina. Hi, Sue.

[Caller]

Hey, Jeff. Hey. Hi. How. How's everyone doing? Hey, Lisa. Hey, John. I just want you to know. Hi, honey. I just absolutely love you. I have loved you from day one. And I want you to know that you do have a lot of fan support behind you. I really feel from the beginning that Heather and Whitney were just simply out to get you. I think that Heather always had a problem with, you know, whatever the name of her book is that she got the name of her book from you. And I think she. I don't know. I think Heather is the most calculated one of all of them. And it really saddens me because I did like her last season. And it just. I don't know what it is, Lisa. I don't know if it's jealousy. I don't know if I don't know. I mean, you brought Angie on, You brought Bronwyn on, and then they just say, you know what? Let's take down the head person on the show, and they want to be the number one on the show. And I just want to say that I love you, I love John, and I love you boys. I love your family. That's it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you, Susan.

[Lisa Barlow]

Thank you so much.

[Jeff Lewis]

I did want to ask you, I do have a soft spot for Angie. Where do you stand with Angie today?

[Lisa Barlow]

Okay, that is a little bit of a complicated question. So I obviously fought for Angie. Like, when, you know, when she was with us in San Diego and she had the champagne spilled on her head. Like, I feel like I was, like, so attentive to her, and I feel like I've been a great friend to Angie. I don't understand why she has such disdain for me. I can't figure it out. I feel like we have these moments where I feel close to her and we're great, and then she'll drop Something that, like, I share with her in confidence or do something intentionally to hurt me. And there's real hatred that comes from her to me. And I feel like it's been really hard for me because we'll have these great moments, and then it'll be followed up by something that's horrible. Like, I confided in Angie that I had a thyroid issue, and, like. Like, my ankles were swelling. Like, that wasn't for, like, the whole world's consumption. And then it's, like, made fun of and rude. I mean, I've. There's so many comments that are deleted where she's coming from my face, my body, my ankles. And I think after a point, you just get to a point where it's like, this is shallow fighting. It's mean, it's intentional, it's nasty, and it's been rough. It's been really rough. We do have some good moments coming up, but it's overall been rough.

[Jeff Lewis]

I wonder if that's something that can be repaired down the line sometimes with. With housewives, you know, there's a lot of hurt, and hurt turns into resentment, and then people act out because they don't handle it in a healthy way. I don't know. I happen to. Like I said, I have a soft spot for her. I happen to really like her. The more that I see her, the more I talk to her, I think she's actually a nice. A nice person. I hope. I hope down the line we see some sort of reconciliation.

[Lisa Barlow]

I have tried. I have tried. I've had to, like, turn multiple cheeks and like, just over and over again. And I think it's been really hard. Like, you know, she went online and was saying, I'm cheating on John because we're being sued by somebody, and she's done some really, really hurtful, damaging things that she accused Meredith of doing for two years and then was just like, okay, we're moving on. And it's like, Angie, if you dish, you know, you better be able to. To equally apologize and really move forward, not for gain, but for actual, like, repair in a relationship. And I think there's been a lot of damage done, but I. I don't bounce the same way Brittany does. But I do move forward, and I do forgive and, like, move on and don't go backwards. I've done it with all of them at one point. You know, I never closed the door. I've had fun with Angie, and I've really cared about her as a friend.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you have to admit, by the way, left Turn. When we were talking about Heather Gay, she's had the best glow up.

[Lisa Barlow]

Heather looks great.

[Jeff Lewis]

She looks. From season one to now, she looks like a different person.

[Lisa Barlow]

Do you know something? I've always seen her this way. Like, to me, it didn't feel that different. Like, I've always seen Heather as like beautiful and looking great. So for me, I'm like, yes, she had a glow up. I think she looks great. But I've always seen her that way.

[Jeff Lewis]

The one other thing that I will probably have to end on the Bronwyn situation. You know, I have empathy and sympathy for her. When I watch her home life, from her mother to her husband, she doesn't seem just. Again, I'm just a viewer. I don't know, maybe I'm not being told the whole story. It just seems like a really toxic, negative situation that she deals with on the daily. And it makes me. I don't know, it just. It kind of makes me give her a pass. And recently she said something publicly about me. But you know what? I just, I kind of feel bad for her situation. And I don't know if you have any insight, but it just doesn't seem like Todd's a very nice man to her. To her. And I'm sure you don't want to go there. I can tell. Okay.

[John Barlow]

Never mind. If someone ate the cherry off my sundae, it'd be hard to come back from that.

[Lisa Barlow]

Well, you know what my mom used to always say, things aren't always as they appear.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Lisa Barlow]

I just keep that in mind.

[Jeff Lewis]

I just, I. The more I watch it, I mean, the harder it is, the harder it is to watch. And it makes me have. It makes me feel bad for her, her situation. I don't know.

[Lisa Barlow]

I think toxic relationships and friendships and situations are always. You know, it's sad. It's sad for everyone involved. I like to be happy. I like to keep things moving forward. But I think, you know, things aren't always as they appear.

[Jeff Lewis]

John seems to still like you.

[Lisa Barlow]

You.

[Jeff Lewis]

He just watches you. It's really cute. You just like stare at her and smile and it's really nice to see. Well, she's good looking. She's good looking.

[Seth]

Lisa's beautiful. I know. Every day I'm married up, as Seth would probably say.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, she tells you that she won't let.

[John Barlow]

Let you forget it.

[Seth]

No, no. But I appreciate it.

[Jeff Lewis]

I love her. Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis Ladd every weekday on Sirius XM as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel. Exclusively on the SiriusXM app.

[Lisa Barlow]

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