Madison LeCroy & Craig Conover: Mailbox Money & #1 Guy

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Jeff Lewis Has Issues

Episode: Madison LeCroy & Craig Conover: Mailbox Money & #1 Guy

Date: November 28, 2025
Host: Jeff Lewis (SiriusXM)
Guests: Madison LeCroy, Craig Conover (“Southern Charm”)

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Overview

In this candid, unfiltered episode, Jeff Lewis welcomes Madison LeCroy and Craig Conover from Bravo's "Southern Charm" to discuss the behind-the-scenes drama at BravoCon, the realities of fame, social media, and navigating the complex social structures of reality TV. The trio dive into Bravo show feuds, conflict resolution, public perception, trust funds vs. hustling, and who really is the "#1 Guy" in the Southern Charm group.

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Key Discussion Points

1. BravoCon Encounters and First Impressions ([01:10]-[07:50])

• Madison's Psy Feud: Madison’s comments about Psy de Silva (“the meanest girl I’ve ever met,” [02:40]) go viral, leading to a discussion about misread vibes, first-time nerves, and how public feuds escalate.
• Jeff’s Perspective: Jeff shares his own experiences of misjudging people (e.g., Rachel Zoe) and the pressure-filled BravoCon environment.
• Craig on Feuds: Craig notes that Bravo shows are “full of feuds and getting over feuds” ([06:14]) and laments the lack of conflict resolution on ensemble casts.

Memorable Quotes:

• “They don’t allow me to do [podcasts] for a reason.” – Madison LeCroy [01:43]
• “We’re full of feuds and getting over feuds.” – Craig Conover [06:15]

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2. Handling On-Air Drama & Flak from Fans ([11:13]-[15:24])

• Regrets and Public Backlash: Jeff and Craig discuss the cyclical nature of public outrage, with Jeff noting, "I could do the worst possible things and two episodes later, they've forgotten." [12:33]
• Craig on Watching Himself: Craig says he hasn’t watched the show in years—“It's really hard for me to watch back the translation of my behavior... I'm so reactive.” [11:37]
• Social Media Hazards: Discussion around Reddit as “cutting”—Craig shares a show therapist’s analogy: “You do something... that you know is going to hurt you. You read through like a hundred of those good comments... waiting for that one bad comment.” [13:30]
• Dealing with DMs: The pressure to monitor social channels and fans’ attempts to stir drama.

Notable Quotes:

• “If you start reading Reddit, you’ll get hooked quick.” – Craig Conover [14:24]
• “It’s such a gift... I wanted my whole life, give me the ability to make someone’s day just by taking a picture.” – Craig Conover [42:01]

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3. Trust Funds vs. Hustler Culture on Southern Charm ([24:19]-[27:57])

• Old Money, New Money: Jeff asks if everyone has a real job on Southern Charm or lives off a trust fund. Madison and Craig confirm the original cast was “all trust... mailbox money” ([24:36]), while they represent the “hustlers” on the show.
• Madison’s Entry: Started as the show’s hairstylist who “wasn’t born into money,” joined after dating a cast member.
• Class Dynamics: Madison discusses being pigeonholed as “white trash redneck” and initially reviled by the old-money crowd until she earned respect.

Notable Quote:

• “I was the, quote, unquote, white trash redneck that came in.” – Madison LeCroy [25:51]

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4. BravoCon Behind-the-Scenes: Fame, Panels, and Fan Engagement ([29:48]-[46:16])

• BravoCon Tales: Shep’s drunken exploits and mishaps at BravoCon are recounted with affectionate eye rolls.
• Press, Panels, and Jealousy: How who gets chosen for panels, press, and seating next to Andy at reunions stirs bitterness and competition in ensemble casts.
• Authenticity and Persistence: Both Madison and Craig reflect on perseverance through show hazing, with Madison underlining her evolution: “I’m their father figure.” [27:55]
• Team Spirit vs. Individualism: Early cast members hustled for the show's success; now, new cast members seek individual fame.

Notable Moments:

• “You can see who’s working and who’s not or who is taking it serious.” – Craig Conover [42:31]
• Tamra Judge and Dorinda Medley praised for going “above and beyond” for fans at BravoCon ([42:40]-[43:00]).

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5. Glam Squads: Who’s Too Fancy? ([33:45]-[34:43])

• Jeff’s Take: Jokes about how some cast members go “full glam squad,” but he prefers a natural look (and compliments Craig’s hair).
• Craig’s Perspective: Confesses to stepping up his grooming for BravoCon: “Shep got mad at me last BravoCon. He’s like, look at Craig. He did his hair every day...” [33:45]

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6. Balancing Fame, Gratitude, and Emotional Health ([41:43]-[46:16])

• Fan Interactions: Craig and Madison talk emotionally about being recognized, gratitude for fan support, and the responsibility that comes with reality TV stardom.
• Taking the Job Seriously: Criticism of cast members who skip paid fan meet-and-greets; praise for those who go the extra mile for fans.
• Emotional Reactions: Both share how the experience can be unexpectedly moving.

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7. Personal Relationships & Support Systems ([46:16]-[49:11])

• Patricia Altschul as Mentor: Madison describes Patricia as a second mother: “I’m the daughter that she never had, and anything she says, I do.” [48:40]
• Reaching Out to Catherine: Both Madison and Craig reveal attempts to check in with former cast member Catherine, now seeking a possible path back to the cast.

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Notable Quotes & Highlights (with Timestamps)

• On first impressions and conflict:
  “We’re full of feuds and getting over feuds, but not everyone’s good with the resolution.” – Craig Conover [06:14]
• On the addictive nature of social media:
  “If you start reading Reddit, you’ll get hooked quick.” – Craig Conover [14:24]
• On the hustle vs. old money:
  “I was the, quote, unquote, white trash redneck that came in.” – Madison LeCroy [25:51]
• On shadow cast competition:
  “Who sits next to Andy? The funny thing is...my left side is so much better than my right side. I prefer the second seat at Watch What Happens Live.” – Jeff Lewis [32:04]
• Fans as the foundation:
  “It’s such a gift...saying hi to them...that fantasy is something we have to nurture.” – Craig Conover [42:01]
• On emotional moments with fans:
  “Do you know how many times I almost cried...walking through to one of my booths...everyone was screaming my name and clapping...and when I do a panel, I was like, oh my God, this is, like, emotional.” – Madison LeCroy [42:16]
• Jeff on Andy Cohen:
  “We can hear each other’s point of view and air our grievances and then we can work through it.” – Jeff Lewis [07:35]
• Madison’s gratitude for mentorship:
  “I’m the daughter that [Patricia] never had, and anything she says, I do. She guides me...especially with the show and my businesses.” – Madison LeCroy [48:40]

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Listener Interactions & Light Moments

• Call-ins ask about Southern Charm feuds, number one guy in the group ([39:03]), and commando style ([47:41]).
• Madison jokes about Mario Lopez being her “hall pass” ([09:45]).
• The cast discusses security at BravoCon (including bodybuilder trainers), “mailbox money,” and personal quirks like not finishing drinks ([09:26]).
• Humor weaves throughout, with teasing among Craig, Madison, and Jeff about glam squads, seating charts, and the rituals of Bravo fandom.

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Standout Segments/Timestamps

• BravoCon conflict & handling press fallout: [01:10]-[07:50]
• The addiction of social media: [13:30]-[14:24]
• Trust fund culture vs. hustling: [24:19]-[27:57]
• Fan engagement and authentic gratitude: [41:43]-[43:44]
• Patricia’s mentorship: [48:40]

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Conclusion

This episode offers listeners a wide-ranging, honest look into the realities of reality TV stardom: drinking at BravoCon, social media pressure, fame’s emotional roller coaster, fan engagement, and drama among castmates and Bravolebrities. Madison and Craig's authenticity, hustle mentality, and sense of gratitude stand out, as does Jeff’s sharp, self-deprecating humor and appreciation for keeping it real.

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Transcript

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[Madison LeCroy]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have no problem prioritizing myself.

[Madison LeCroy]

I'm glad that you're feeling so good about this, but the truth is I got fired and it's your fucking fault.

[Jeff Lewis]

She gets paid for this shit.

[Caller or Guest]

You get paid for this shit.

[Madison LeCroy]

Jeff Lewis has issues.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis Has Issues. In this episode, Madison lacroix and Craig Conover join the show. We chat about trust funds, glam squads and Southern charm. Good morning. Are you afraid, Madison?

[Madison LeCroy]

I'm terrified.

[Jeff Lewis]

Because you said to me at BravoCon, you were like, I'm worried. I don't know why you'd be so worried. Who scared you?

[Caller or Guest]

You?

[Madison LeCroy]

You kind of scare me a little bit. No, I just know we're gonna have a lot of fun and I may say something I shouldn't.

[Craig Conover]

Madison and I speak our mind and so podcasts or radio shows like this. Sorry, is.

[Madison LeCroy]

They don't allow me to do them for a reason.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, really? Do they watch you? Because I did. See, is that a Bravo, Marshall?

[Madison LeCroy]

That's here, basically.

[Craig Conover]

Oh, yeah, that's. Marshall's a good way to put it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. Well, that's what. Yeah, that's what they call it. So she's here, but she's not in the room. She's in the green room. What's she gonna do?

[Madison LeCroy]

No, she's like slap me on the wrist when I leave, so.

[Jeff Lewis]

Really? So they're worried about you.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah. As they should be.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, I do want to jump into it over the weekend. You know, you got. There were some. A little bit of press around you.

[Madison LeCroy]

Just a little.

[Jeff Lewis]

Because someone had asked you what was the. How did we get to the side to Silva conversation?

[Madison LeCroy]

Okay, so you know the game heads up, where you, like, hold it up over here, your head, and you're like, guess what it is like charades.

[Caller or Guest]

You put a clue on your forehead and then the other people have to try to get you to guess the clue. The person. Like, so I might.

[Craig Conover]

Austin was holding a picture of her, and Madison was trying to get Austin to guess who was on his picture.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, continue.

[Madison LeCroy]

And I just said, she's the meanest girl I've ever met.

[Jeff Lewis]

Psy.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Really?

[Craig Conover]

But we knew that. What do you think we knew that there was a girl that's.

[Jeff Lewis]

So. I'm friends with Psy. She's a regular on this show. She's actually due.

[Madison LeCroy]

Well, I gotta go.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, let's figure it out. She's gonna be here the day after Thanksgiving, right? Yeah. Um, no, she's a good friend of mine. She's actually very cool. I was kind of. I was thinking about this because she is very nice. What exactly did she say or not say? That you thought she was a bitch.

[Madison LeCroy]

Okay, well, obviously 2023, we had BravoCon. It was like my first time being on a panel with all of housewives. I was the only one that wasn't a housewife. I was very nervous, intimidated. I mean, here I have Erika Jayne just towering over me and I'm like, oh, my God, what am I doing here? And so you're standing back there for a while. You're about to go out on stage. You know, everybody's talking this and that, and I was just like, completely rude. We. We started talking about blogging because I guess that's how she started. We were talking about Amazon. She clearly didn't remember any of it. It just. To me, it wasn't friendly as some of the other housewives. And so that was just my opinion based off of her.

[Jeff Lewis]

Is it possible, though? And then I think you would, you know, maybe empathize, sympathize. It was her first bravocon. Right? She's. And you know, even, like, I've never met. I only have met, like two below deck people. I've only met recently, Southern hospitality. So, I mean, I don't. There's a lot of people that I do not know.

[Madison LeCroy]

Right.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I find myself when I'm surrounded by a bunch of people I don't know. And especially in a situation I'm not comfortable with. Maybe I'm a little quiet. Is it possible she was kind of shy, a little worried and trying to find her Place.

[Madison LeCroy]

Well, I will say this. After everything was said, I had a lot of other DMs that kind of agreed. All being women, that is okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's not the experience that I have had. Yeah, she's very fun and cool on.

[Caller or Guest]

This show, but also at that, in that 2023 panel, she could have been in the same position because you look. You looked at her and saw a housewife, but that was. Her show was just coming out. She was brand new, her first bravicon. So maybe she was also kind of like, you know, trying to find her way.

Yeah, maybe.

[Craig Conover]

Did you guys see each other, this Bravicon?

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah, I actually waved to her and she completely just. She didn't see. I'm not memorable, is what she said.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think you're. Oh, okay. I do think you're memorable. I just.

[Madison LeCroy]

I do, too.

[Jeff Lewis]

I do forget. I forget a lot. I forget faces, I forget names. I don't know. I'm just looking at another. Another perspective because I mentioned this. I think it was yesterday I mentioned. I thought. Or maybe it was a problem. I initially thought Rachel Zo was a bitch.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

But she actually was just very shy. And then. And that was a. That was a similar situation where, you know, I had never met her, she had never met me. We were thrown in this situation. And then the next time I met her, she was very friendly, but just putting it out there, I'm not going to dwell on it. We can.

[Madison LeCroy]

Well, I mean, honestly, after she clearly saw what I said, she made a comment.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Madison LeCroy]

And that's where.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I understand.

[Madison LeCroy]

That's where we. Then it got worse.

[Jeff Lewis]

So, yeah, she had made a. Yes, I saw that comment.

[Madison LeCroy]

So I have no interest.

[Jeff Lewis]

And maybe it would have been better had she just said, hey, I'm so sorry. It wouldn't mean to be rude or anything like that.

[Madison LeCroy]

I didn't even remember you. And then we could have.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, okay, I understand that there could have been a different.

[Craig Conover]

It is bravo, though.

[Caller or Guest]

We're.

[Craig Conover]

We're full of feuds and getting over feuds.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah.

[Craig Conover]

But constant roller coaster. Clearly, one day.

[Jeff Lewis]

But not everybody is very good with conflict resolution. Right. They're good with the conflict, but not everybody is very. Is good point. Good with the resolution. And I think that's a. I think that's a problem. I mean, on all of our shows. Right. No one wants to see people hating each other for, you know, nine seasons in a row.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Speaking of conflict resolution, I did hear from Andy. So we had a little, you know, we had a Little rift over the weekend.

[Craig Conover]

Oh, that's right.

[Jeff Lewis]

But he did call me yesterday, which was good. We kind of had a. We did not have a great panel together, Madison. It was the Ask Andy panel.

[Madison LeCroy]

What happened?

[Jeff Lewis]

I think what happened is we both were a little irritated with each other before we went on stage, and then we both have a different way of doing things, so I become more aggressive and he shuts down. So that wasn't a great combo for a panel.

[Madison LeCroy]

Right.

[Jeff Lewis]

So. But the thing is, is what's great about Andy is that, you know, sometimes he can be a little bitch, and he waits, like, two to three, to four to five weeks to talk to me. But I appreciate was, you know, he took a couple days to calm down, called me yesterday, and he said, he's like, you know, the good thing about us is that we can. We can hear each other's point of view and we can air our grievances and then we can work through it. So I feel like we're okay. I think we're okay. Right.

[Caller or Guest]

I thought it was like a very productive, positive conversation. You both kind of stated where you're coming from, why it happened, what happened after.

[Craig Conover]

Were you doing it on purpose or it was like a real argument, like, on stage.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's a good question. I. It's funny because I had a very dear friend call me this morning and said, did you by chance see the panel? And I said, no. She goes, I think you should watch it. I go, I don't watch anything. I do. I go, I don't wanna watch it. She goes, I think you should, because you were unusually aggressive, even a little manic. And I said, well, it's funny. Andy and I were talking about that, because as he became more shut down, I became more aggressive.

[Craig Conover]

That's how I get.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I have to tell you something. I don't want to blame it on. She goes, jeff. She goes, I know you don't do drugs. She goes, but if I didn't know you, I would think you were on drugs. I was on my second Celsius, Madison.

[Madison LeCroy]

Oh, you were foaming at the mouth.

[Jeff Lewis]

Basically. I was cracked out on Celsius. I can only have. I mean, I just started my first one. I can only have one, I think, a day, Madison.

[Caller or Guest]

It's such a fine line.

[Jeff Lewis]

How many do you have?

[Madison LeCroy]

I mean, I don't know. One, two.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, see, I can't.

[Caller or Guest]

I don't think this is helping your campaign for Celsius.

[Madison LeCroy]

It.

[Craig Conover]

Adrenaline, like, dumps. It dumps your adrenaline, though. I just asked my Nutritionist about it, because I got really triggered this season.

[Jeff Lewis]

Were they in the green room, Craig? Because there was, like, nine other people there.

[Craig Conover]

I didn't bring him. He has that base, though. But he was like. Your body operates off adrenaline, and if you drink strong caffeine like that, you will become irritable for the next 30 minutes. And, like, it's just your body, like, reacting and everything.

[Madison LeCroy]

Well, I don't. I never finish a whole one.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, see, I do. I drink every last drop.

[Madison LeCroy]

No, every drink that I have, I leave, like, the bottom.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, but you'll have two.

[Madison LeCroy]

I'll have two. Maybe three Today. We have a busy day.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're gonna do three. Madison, you've a heart attack.

[Madison LeCroy]

I have a flight tonight.

[Craig Conover]

You're gonna punch the anchor in the face tonight.

[Caller or Guest]

Mario Lopez.

[Madison LeCroy]

Oh, are you kidding me? Mario Lopez was my hall pass at one point. Well, I didn't say that. It's changed, but has he aged out.

[Caller or Guest]

Or have you aged out?

[Jeff Lewis]

He still looks great.

[Madison LeCroy]

I don't know.

[Caller or Guest]

Because he looks the same.

[Madison LeCroy]

I don't know.

[Craig Conover]

He's just in your hotel room every.

[Jeff Lewis]

Time you push your hall pass Now.

[Madison LeCroy]

I haven't really. I mean, my husband's pretty freaking hot.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. No, I saw pictures.

[Madison LeCroy]

I have really no interest. I mean, no hall passes as of now. What's it? Jacob. What's his name? Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so you do have a hall pass.

[Madison LeCroy]

Well, yeah, my husband would say no.

[Jeff Lewis]

No. Doesn't your husband work in California? But you guys live in South Carolina. How does that work?

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah, yeah, I mean, he commutes back and forth. My husband's really close to retirement, so if he transfers to South Carolina, he loses all that. So we only have, like, three years left.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then my brother's a fireman, paramedic, so.

[Caller or Guest]

I know.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I know that life.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah. He's been doing it, like, since. Since he was in his early 20s.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wait, but how old is he?

[Madison LeCroy]

Almost 40.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, see? Wow. And he gets to retire in three years.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I feel like my brothers were Gonna retire at 55.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah. I think he'll be 43.

[Craig Conover]

Well, I think if you stay longer, you get increased.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. I think he's staying as long as possible to get. But then they can have a whole nother career.

[Madison LeCroy]

Exactly. Like, I'm gonna make him a stay at home dad, and then I'm gonna keep working, so. So that's what I want.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now, Craig, you've been on this show for 11 years, 11 seasons, and I wanted to ask you because we were about to Jump into it. But when you do something that pisses off the viewers or the public, have there been a few times where you're like, I'm done. This is over for me. I have really fucked up big time. Have you ever done that?

[Craig Conover]

That's how the formula works. And then a year goes by and then they show back up to town and they say, hey, you, here's the new amount that we're ready to offer you. And you're like, you know what? Maybe it wasn't that bad. You know, I just had to learn myself. Last year I tried to watch. I haven't watched in seven years. Seven, eight years. And I sent text messages that would get me arrested to the owner of the production show after, like, trying to watch one episode. And I just have to know myself. Like, it's really hard for me to watch back the translation of my behavior because it takes. I don't know. Like, there's a reason I do everything, but a lot of times I'm so reactive that it doesn't. No, that's a good question. I just. All you can do is be yourself, I guess, and hope it gets better. I don't know.

[Jeff Lewis]

I used to do shit all the time. And I was like, I'm done. It's over. I mean, they forget about shit in two weeks. Two weeks?

[Craig Conover]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I could do the worst possible things. And then two episodes later, they've forgotten.

[Craig Conover]

No, I was telling you. I was telling you backstage, something happens this year and I call Andy after. Cause like, it was just bad. And hearing him just say, who cares, Greg? I mean, weirdly, it just worked. And I was like, I can't do. Yeah, you're right. I guess after. After something that happens this season, I was like, I just can't do this anymore. It's not good for me. I shouldn't be doing this. I need to. Like, it triggers me too much sometimes, like, this environment. And Andy was like, who cares? Like, it's not that big of a deal.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you read comments and articles? And, I mean, obviously we read our DMs. I find that the people in our DMs are a little kinder and more and softer. The people that are following us. But, you know, like, Reddit and things like that, they're just nasty. Well, you can't. You can't do Rassy.

[Craig Conover]

They compare Reddit to cutting. So the therapist on our show says it's like cutting the same science behind it. You do something that's. That you know is going to hurt you. So you Read through like a hundred of those good comments and your brain isn't even processing. You're waiting for that one bad comment.

[Jeff Lewis]

The first two weeks that flipping out aired, I was just annihilated. And then Andy, he called me and he said, you stop reading it all. Stop reading it all. The good, the bad. So after this weekend, I have no idea what people are saying. I have no clue. I have no idea. I don't read anything. I live in a bubble. I'm so happy in my bubble.

[Craig Conover]

Yeah, but it's addictive. I mean, I watch it with people in my life and I've been, I've succumbed to it. But if you start reading Reddit, you'll start to open it and looking for that like, next topic, next topic, next comment. And I haven't opened Reddit in, I think it's like 10 months now.

[Madison LeCroy]

Oh, I'm like.

[Craig Conover]

And I'm scared to. Because if I do, you get hooked quick.

[Jeff Lewis]

I went to dinner with a very, very well known housewife. This was years back.

[Madison LeCroy]

Sigh.

[Jeff Lewis]

And. And she couldn't go an hour and a half at dinner without reading her DMs. And I'm like, this is a fucking addiction. And they just. I mean, this person is very popular and was just reading nice DM after nice DM after nice DM after nice DM to the point where they couldn't fucking put it down and be present. And I mean that, that's too much.

[Craig Conover]

And it's fun when it's good, but then you get hit, you get hooked on that dopamine hit. And then when it goes bad, because it, it will go bad at some point, then you just.

[Madison LeCroy]

Well, I mean, I've had friends that, you know, will send me something and they're like, did you see this? And I was like, hey, listen, you cannot. I don't even want to see that. Like, out of sight, out of mind.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's funny you say that because I have people that are constantly DMing other Bravo liberties to try to drive wedges between me and them. And they'll exaggerate, they'll lie. And I went up to Tamara this weekend because Tamara and I are good friends. And I went up to her and I said, I don't know why these fuckers are trying to break us up, but from now on, if you hear anything, you come to me and I'll go to you. She's like, deal. But there's all these there. I don't. They're meddlers.

[Caller or Guest]

There's a theory about Amazon Reviews that essentially, when you're looking through them, you're looking for a review that reinforces whether you want to buy the product or not buy the product. So either looking for good or bad reviews. And I'm curious if with Reddit, there's some science behind kind of what Craig was saying. This idea of, like, I need to feel good for a second. I'm gonna just sift through these till I find a good one. Or that was a bad moment for me. Let me just, like, find something that says, like, yeah, you were a bad boy. You know, do better next time.

[Craig Conover]

You know what I see, though? You can tell when someone goes on Watch what happens. And they read it because they waste their. Watch what happens live. Instead of showing the audience who they are as a person, they are there to like, to. Or disprove something that they read about themselves. And you're. And you can see it instantly. And they spend the whole time on Watch what happens. Being like. And that's not what actually happened. And you're like, but you're yelling at some hater out there. And the audience is confused. Like, do you know what I mean?

[Madison LeCroy]

Well, I mean, I think it says a lot about the person that's writing it. I'm like, you are actual psycho. Like, if you're gonna go out there and you're gonna start, like, writing like, we've never even met, like, why would you say that about me?

[Jeff Lewis]

Let me ask you this, Madison, you've been on Southern charm for six seasons. Craig, 11. Did you guys ever go to watch what Happens live when they used to have the monitors underneath our cameras and you could see yourself? Do you notice how they've been taken away?

[Craig Conover]

Yeah, they have.

[Madison LeCroy]

Thank God.

[Craig Conover]

You're right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Because we would stare at ourselves. Yeah.

[Madison LeCroy]

And then you're like, chin down.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know. I was so insecure. I would, like, constantly pull my shirt down. I'd be sitting up, and there was a point where I told them. I'm like, can you come cover my monitor? Because I'm gonna keep staring at the monitor. And, you know, when the questions come in, you're supposed to look. We have our cameras. Like, there's camera one, two, three. And they're like, madison, you've got camera three. But I'm, you know, you don't look at camera three. Cause you're looking below it at the monitor.

[Craig Conover]

That's funny.

[Madison LeCroy]

You're like, eyes are down. They're like, God, why her eyes closed? And you're like, cause I'm looking at myself. Vain ass. Girl.

[Jeff Lewis]

But you know who used to stare at herself nonstop and it became so obvious was Sonja Morgan.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

She never not looked at the monitor.

[Craig Conover]

Sonja is the authentic person, I think, or authentically herself person I've ever met.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Craig Conover]

Like, she's the exact same every single time.

[Madison LeCroy]

She's the funnest.

[Craig Conover]

She's the first person I ran into, and she kind of like, well, whatever, I'll say it. She was kind of, like, flirty in the hallway, like, hit on me. She didn't realize it was me. And I looked back, I was like, is that Sonia? And she's like, oh, Craig, what's up? And I was like, gosh, you are just. You're always on the prowl.

[Jeff Lewis]

We're on the outs right now, Sonia and I, but it's, you know, you never know.

[Craig Conover]

She told me to just not talk on this show. On this show Sonia saw we were going on, she goes, oh, the best way to do Jeff Lewis is just don't talk when you're in there. I said, great advice from a radio show. I said, I don't know if that's an option, but yeah. Kyle, Kyle Richards told me to ask you if I was gonna be getting an orchid after this.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, she's so funny. Yeah. So I have sent Kyle countless orchids for things that I have said on this show. So she has. And I think they're still. A lot of them are still alive.

[Caller or Guest]

I think she's good at the ice cubes. She can keep them going.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. I mean, they should be for what I paid for them. But, yes. Now, Mercedes, Javid, the very first night we got to BravoCon on Thursday, said to me, you gotta be really careful because you've got Bravo, liberties, bloggers, podcasters, that are not only eavesdropping on our conversations, they're actually video videoing us. And Mercedes said, be really careful when you're down in the lobby of the hotel or anywhere in public. Shep did not get that advice.

[Craig Conover]

It sounds like he should know. I mean, also, we started. We've only been on 11 seasons, but I started filming when I was 24, and I'm 37 now. So we've been on for. We've been in the public eye for 13 years now, and I feel like it's not just a Bravocon. Like, we're always being filmed.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you want to tell us what happened?

[Craig Conover]

So my assistant told me about it this morning, and I purposely said, I don't want to see it. I'm aware of, like, contextually, but I wasn't there. And I was like, I had a great knock on wood, a great bravocon, and I stayed busy. And I think I'm bummed because it brought me and Paige's name into it.

[Caller or Guest]

Where?

[Craig Conover]

And it looks like that was a big topic, but in reality, like, I don't know, I had nothing but nice things to say about her, and it wasn't like it had nothing to do with us.

[Jeff Lewis]

There's a recorded video of Shep, who looks like he had been drinking. Shocker. And said he was criticizing your former relationship with your ex, Paige desorbo. She's from Summerhouse. Right. That's another show I haven't seen, so I would imagine. Now, I will say, two years ago, Shep was actually removed from the casino when we were all gambling because of the public intoxication. He was actually removed from the casino. And the funny part is, I did well that night gambling. I was up late, and he was gone for a couple hours. And I was, like, stumbling back to my room. Not like him, but I'd been drinking. But I clearly can hold my liquor better than Shep. He was going back into the casino, like, two hours later. I'm like, motherfucker, you're going back in after you'd already been asked to leave?

[Madison LeCroy]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, I have to say, I was laughing. I thought it was pretty funny. And he's just by himself, by the way. Just by himself. Drunk.

[Caller or Guest]

As for you, as a.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, yes. True, true. I can't judge.

[Madison LeCroy]

I mean, this Bravo con. He. Him and I have a history which we basically have fought for the last six years. We're better now. But he looks at me and he's like, madison, you know, he's not talking this straight, but he's like, should I go home? Like, you know, upstairs in my room, I was like, 1000%.

[Craig Conover]

What night was that?

[Madison LeCroy]

And that was the last night, sure enough.

[Craig Conover]

What night was the video?

[Madison LeCroy]

I turned the corner. That was the first night. He was doing laps around.

[Jeff Lewis]

He is the life of the party, though, I have to say. Oh, he just doesn't. Again, I'm a hypocrite by saying so. Doesn't know when to shut it down. Doesn't know when to leave. I'm always the last one to go.

[Craig Conover]

That's all of us.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Okay.

[Craig Conover]

I think he was. I mean, I think he was triggered. It was after. It was after the panel that they had. So there was, like, a summer house, Southern hospitality, Southern charm. Watch what happens. I wasn't there because I was at dinner with the execs. Like, I was with. I was at the sponsor dinner, and I guess my name kept getting brought up, and Madison had gotten in a car accident, so she wasn't there to defend it. And I think what I heard is that he got back to the casino and was really fired up about what happened at that panel, because when he came up to me, he was just like, something happened, dude. But just know I was trying to have your back, and I. But also, you just want to be like, guys, I'm good. Like, it was a year ago.

[Jeff Lewis]

I.

[Craig Conover]

You know, why are we still. And it's not even us talking about it. It's never, like, me and Paige. It's like, everyone else talking about it, and it seems to keep this thing alive, and you kind of just want it to.

[Madison LeCroy]

Well, you guys were, like, an iconic duo, like, and I think that's what everybody sees, you with her and vice versa, so.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, very public couple, right? Yeah, very public.

[Caller or Guest]

The rant just looked like he was jealous. And that makes sense that it was after this panel that it was, like, still about you if you're not there. Because he's like, oh, they got all these followers and all that. Like, that's. That's how it read to me. Like, he was just upset and a little jelly.

[Craig Conover]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm just glad that Mercedes warned me. No, I mean, when I got there, otherwise, she was like, don't say a lot of shit. I would have been talking about people.

[Craig Conover]

You're all. I mean, the cell phone thing, you're always being filmed.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I think bottom feeders.

[Craig Conover]

I think there was a couple of things this weekend, because then there was the Lindsey Schwartz or the Lindsey Sandoval fight video just came out, too.

[Madison LeCroy]

But I think that she was trying to break. I think he was fighting with his girlfriend, and she was like, guys, stop.

[Craig Conover]

It was just. But you can tell they were in the elevator of our hotel where we were staying.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Craig Conover]

And then, like, as they started to walk to him, they put their phones down real quick, and I'm like, see.

[Madison LeCroy]

I would snatch someone's phone and slam it down like a crazy bitch. Yeah, totally. And I'd be like, it was the Celsius. Sorry.

[Jeff Lewis]

How do you like the orange? Are you enjoying it?

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

You should try the cherry cola. It's really delicious.

[Madison LeCroy]

I haven't ever tried that.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm gonna let you try it at the break.

[Madison LeCroy]

Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

Can I ask you, with the Southern Charm cast originally, was it. Was there a lot of family money there? Like, do these. Does everyone have a career and a job? I know you do, Craig. I know you do. Madison, does everyone have a career and a job? Or do some people living off trust funds?

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah, it was about high society in the beginning.

[Craig Conover]

It was all trust. I was casted as the only one that had to work for, like, a career.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah. Mailbox money, for sure.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Craig Conover]

Everyone came from old, old, old money. And, yeah, now it's still pretty much like that. Yeah, it's changed a little bit. Casting's. Casting's interesting. You know, as the years go on, you see it fluctuate with, you know, these casting directors. Like, what they want seems to continue to change.

[Jeff Lewis]

So who subsidized Whitney?

[Craig Conover]

What does that mean?

[Jeff Lewis]

They're getting help from family.

[Craig Conover]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Whitney. Shep.

[Craig Conover]

Yeah.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah.

[Craig Conover]

Shep's like, got railroad money.

[Madison LeCroy]

I mean, is Austin. I don't know if Austin's like, I don't think he's getting money from his family, but he has family money. Right.

[Craig Conover]

His parents are. Well, you know, his parents were upper middle class.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Craig Conover]

Catherine's family or like, Thomas's family went way back. Catherine's family went way back. But I think the family had spent a lot of it by the time her turn was up.

[Jeff Lewis]

I see.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah.

[Craig Conover]

You and I are kind of just hustling.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah. I was the, quote, unquote, the white trash redneck that came in, so.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I'm just curious, how did you end up on the show?

[Madison LeCroy]

So I actually was the hairstylist for the show since season one.

[Jeff Lewis]

Really? And you had your own salon, correct?

[Madison LeCroy]

For a while, yes, I did.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you were the hairstylist for the show. So on camera, hairstylist behind. No. Really?

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah. And they just thought, well, no, I started dating one of the guys, which I didn't want to because I didn't want to get fired. I was like, oh, my God, this is, like, against the rules.

[Craig Conover]

She used to date one of my best friends from Delaware.

[Madison LeCroy]

Why do we have to bring him up?

[Craig Conover]

Oh, I'm just saying. Austin was your rebound from that relationship.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I see.

[Craig Conover]

So you went out with Naomi, and Naomi found a rebound that night, and you remember? Yeah, well, yeah, but, like, you met. It wasn't planned. Like, Austin was just, like, a rebound. And then you started.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah, I was, like, going through a breakup. I was really upset because, as you know, that guy did me dirty.

[Jeff Lewis]

And how long were you with him? The guy that did you dirty?

[Madison LeCroy]

What? Two years.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. He cheated.

[Madison LeCroy]

No.

[Jeff Lewis]

Lied.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. All right. So you rebound to Austin.

[Madison LeCroy]

I Rebound to Austin. And I was like, we can't do this, like, on camera. Like, I have to keep my job.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Madison LeCroy]

And then he, like, pitched me. But I also was getting pitched by a lot of the cast because they were like, well, try Madison. Like, she's already kind of intertwined with everyone. And then. Yeah, the fans wanted to know more.

[Jeff Lewis]

Once, when you say white trash redneck, were you. Was this supposed to be kind of the wrong. The wrong side of the tracks kind of situation?

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah. Like, they were like, you're a service worker kind of thing. Because I. I wasn't, you know, born into a lot of money. I had to work for everything, and they hated me for that.

[Craig Conover]

Madison gets so mad now, though. She texted me this year because we have some new girls.

[Madison LeCroy]

Actually, they're peasants to me now, bitch.

[Craig Conover]

She's like, you made me work so hard, Craig. You made me work so hard to get on this show. And now you're so nice to the new people.

[Madison LeCroy]

It was like a frat initiation. I mean, they beat. I mean, basically.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. But look where you are because of it.

[Madison LeCroy]

I know. I'm their father figure.

[Craig Conover]

That is true. You had to make. I mean, you pushed and you persevered.

[Madison LeCroy]

Well, there was to a point where when Craig and I got in a fight, they were like, I'm not leaving here until Madison starts crying. I was like, oh, man, that didn't work.

[Craig Conover]

I said that.

[Jeff Lewis]

This is interesting.

[Madison LeCroy]

What?

[Jeff Lewis]

Shannon in Minnesota, line seven. It's not wasted. Hey, Shannon.

[Caller or Guest]

Hey, chump. Hey, chumps. It's Shannon from Minnesota. How y' all doing?

[Jeff Lewis]

Good, Shannon.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah. So two years ago. Yeah. Shep just doesn't know when to be quiet. He clearly didn't learn his lesson. Two years ago, I was at Bravo Con with all my chumps from Minnesota, and we were at the bar in Mandalay Bay. He was so wasted that Saturday night. He was talking mad crap about Austin and Craig because Craig must have hired his, like, his weight or his, like, bodybuilder or personal assistant as his security. And then Shep got mad at the security guy and was talking crap about Craig and Austin. Him, he said, got in a fight backstage at one of the Bravo parties two years ago. He was so drunk. I told him I was his publicist, and he believed it. I had people in line taking pictures with him, and they.

[Madison LeCroy]

And I.

[Caller or Guest]

And I just kept saying, are you ready for a picture? And he's like, yeah, yeah, no questions. And I would be like, no questions, no questions. Just a picture.

[Jeff Lewis]

However, I experienced. Okay, so when I Saw the. The screen, it said Jeff was wasted. But we want to be very clear, Shep was wasted. This was two years ago now. I found him to be a very nice drunk. Did you think so, too, Shannon?

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, my God. So nice.

Over the top.

I mean, he was even showing us his Raya account when we saw Ms. Bahama that was coming up, and, like, he was, like, so in love with her. And this was going to be the one. Oh, so friendly, hugging, loving. So many pictures. He was great. He was just talking mad shit.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, thank you. Thank you for your call, Austin. So I was looking at the new trailer for season 11 of Southern Charm, which premieres tomorrow night, November 19, on Bravo. The next night, you can stream it on Peacock. Austin is coming for you, Craig. It looks like, at least in the trailer. And I. You know, again, I'm not totally familiar with the show, but I'm like, damn, this guy's got it out for Craig. What. What's the deal behind that?

[Craig Conover]

It happened last year, too. So if you watch the trailer for last season, that was. I don't know, it's a bummer because we were in a really great place. I try to take Austin along with me to as many things as I can. So we were, like, working a lot this spring, and we were out in la, in Chicago, and then we started to film, and, man, did he hate me all of a sudden again. So, you know, I think a lot of people were bummed that that was the case, but I think we'll just have to. I'm. I'm. I'm really not excited to hear what he says about me this year. Last year, he was mad at me because he claimed I spent too much time with Paige and never hung out with him. This year, he's mad at the way that I'm being single, so he's saying that I'm going out too much, which.

[Jeff Lewis]

So it's a no win.

[Craig Conover]

A lot of times it feels like a no win. And I love him to death, and I know that he loves me, but it seems like no matter what I do, it just pisses him off.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's the way I feel about Andy Cohen. Same thing. That's the way I was feeling this weekend. Do you think that with these ensemble casts, because I've been around for a while, they vie for first place, second place, and by that, I mean that, you know, when you do press, they ask certain people to do press. They don't always, always ask the whole cast. That, I notice, creates resentment. People are very, very tied to the first chair and the second chair of Watch what Happens Live, the reunions. Who sits next to Andy? The funny thing is, is, like, my left side. Madison, I'm going to show you the break. My left side is so much better than my right side. I prefer the second seat at Watch what Happens Live.

[Craig Conover]

I don't.

[Caller or Guest]

I'm sure you do. Yeah, for sure.

[Madison LeCroy]

Why do you think I sat in this? This seat?

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, yes.

[Madison LeCroy]

And I, by the way, my contract.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's not. That's our number one chair, by the way.

[Madison LeCroy]

How do you feel about that?

[Craig Conover]

I think that. I think the lady should always sit there.

[Jeff Lewis]

I agree.

[Craig Conover]

I would feel weird if the girl ever sat closer to Andy than me. I know in our reunions, half the time he just puts me in chef there because he likes to talk to us while everyone else is yelling. He has no idea what to do.

[Madison LeCroy]

He can put me at the end. I don't really give a shit because everybody will hear what I have to say.

[Craig Conover]

No, but, like, that resentment is what stinks. So we used to. It used to just be so much more of, like, a team spirit. And I have this theory that in the beginning, no season is ever guaranteed. But, like, Shep and I come from a time where, like, sec. We were trying to get a second season, then a third season, then a fourth season. So no matter how much we all hated each other, we were still Team Southern Charm.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Craig Conover]

And I think people that come in now, even though no season's guaranteed, they just assume there's going to be a next season. So it's a little more individualistic. And they come on wanting, like, the press and everything that comes for, like, comes with it. And I mean, we see it at Bravo Con, too. I mean, kind of what that caller was just speaking about. I have a big team at BravoCon, but a lot of it's crowd control so that we can take as many pictures with people as possible. So I did bring my trainer. He's a big bodied guy. And this year we had a big team, too. And, yeah, Shep got mad at me last Bravo Con. He's like, look at Craig. He did his hair every day and stuff. And you're like, we can all be winners here. Like, just because I dressed up doesn't mean that you can't. And I. I'm trying to instill that team spirit again. And Madison's good with it, too. But, like, we can all be famous, quote unquote, and popular. On Southern Charm, there's not just one.

[Jeff Lewis]

Slot for, like, I did Notice your hair and makeup. I did notice.

[Craig Conover]

Did you like it?

[Madison LeCroy]

Not the makeup look.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think that. I think you're a very handsome guy. Naturally. I don't think you need anything. Like, I, I personally probably should have had hair and makeup, but I did not have any hair and makeup at all because I think for me, like, that's also not the time to test it. Yeah, but did you get mad at.

[Craig Conover]

The people that had it?

[Jeff Lewis]

No. In fact, there was one look that I did like. I think it was the first night that I saw you. Your hair was kind of high. I think that I liked your hair that night.

[Craig Conover]

A messy.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, it was like messy, but kind of high.

[Madison LeCroy]

It was like Twilight.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know about the Empire. I don't. I don't know if I like this really slicked.

[Craig Conover]

No, I didn't either. That was just fine.

[Jeff Lewis]

I didn't like that. I don't look. I think you're a handsome guy. I don't think it was as flattering as the first night I saw you.

[Craig Conover]

The messy.

[Jeff Lewis]

Perfect. But I liked what you were wearing.

[Madison LeCroy]

What about the Elvis? The little.

[Craig Conover]

I didn't see Jeff the third day.

[Madison LeCroy]

Oh, that was.

[Jeff Lewis]

You liked that?

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah, I didn't see it.

[Craig Conover]

It was really high.

[Jeff Lewis]

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[Caller or Guest]

Hey, Tom. Jeff, I think you did really good at BravoCon this weekend. You know, to know you is to love you. My question is for Craig and Madison. I'm curious to see, you know, how Jack Taylor says he was the number one guy in the group at Vanderpump Rules. I wanted to see who you guys think is the number one guy in the group for Southern Charm.

[Craig Conover]

Well, we see how that ended with ended up for tax. You know, I think when you start to believe that. Yeah. When you get cocky. And that's what people say when, you know, we have these long lines at Bravo Con people like, does this get old? Does this get old? You're like, the second it does, you're. You're done.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, it is truly an ensemble cast. I mean, you've got an incredible cast with a lot of chemistry, which is why it's worked for 11 seasons now. Saying that. That said, who's the number one?

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah, I am.

[Craig Conover]

The bar is not that high on our show. But, yeah, I mean, if we answer the question, Craig, that's a Madison question, because I'll never say that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Who do you think?

[Madison LeCroy]

I don't know.

[Craig Conover]

We all have our own role.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, look, if you look at Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, right? Kyle Richards has been around the longest.

[Caller or Guest]

Number one guy in the group.

[Jeff Lewis]

Number one. Oh, I don't think so.

[Madison LeCroy]

You don't?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I don't think so.

[Madison LeCroy]

Okay, first, that is the chicest. Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

But if you go down the line, right, you see who. Who became probably the most. It could be polarizing, not necessarily popular.

[Madison LeCroy]

I will say, after being with Craig all weekend at Vegas, I thought definitely you like you. You put in the work, you put in the effort, and you always have.

[Caller or Guest]

Lines at those things.

[Craig Conover]

I'm the hard. I think I'm the. I hustle probably the hardest. Well, definitely.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah.

[Craig Conover]

Yeah.

[Madison LeCroy]

But he's also sitting.

[Craig Conover]

But I think Shep and I. Shep and I are polar opposites, and that's why it works. So, yeah, Austin joined season four, season five. He's great. But Shep and I, I feel like without the other or without Madison right now, our show would be in trouble.

[Madison LeCroy]

Shep scares me. I feel like he's gonna get our show canceled.

[Craig Conover]

So, yes, I don't think we could carry it without. I think we need Madison. Me, Shep, and, you know, Austin's great.

[Madison LeCroy]

They call us the core four. Like, the people like our producers.

[Craig Conover]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you guys are the foundation. You're the anchors.

[Craig Conover]

I think the current foundation.

[Jeff Lewis]

I also think there is, you know, I think respecting your viewers and fans and being grateful. And I think that showed at BravoCon. I saw you interact with your fans, Craig. I only saw you once, and it was backstage. Madison. But I saw you interact with your fans, and I felt like it was very genuine. I think there was a lot of gratitude there and a lot of respect. And I think you certainly know who's paying your bills right now. We talked about this yesterday. There was. We had several different vip. We had, you know, we had the pictures, appointment pictures, where we stood in line to take pictures. There was also the VIP meet and greets, if you remember that. I did one Sunday morning and four privates did not show up.

[Craig Conover]

No way.

[Jeff Lewis]

Which is fucking insane. I don't know who it was. Shane.

[Caller or Guest]

I want to find out if someone was there. Call in and tell.

[Jeff Lewis]

So, look, I want to know who was supposed to.

[Craig Conover]

This is the problem.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah, we.

[Craig Conover]

We were all being paid to be there. Those fans are paying thousands of dollars to be there. They get so excited. And it's such a gift to be like. I think it's something I've wanted my whole life, was like, give me the ability to make someone's day just by taking a picture with them or, like, saying hi to them. That fantasy of theirs is something that we have to, like, nurture, and you have to be so careful with it.

[Madison LeCroy]

Do you know how many times I almost cried, like, walking through to, like, go to one of my booths? And I was. Everyone was screaming my name and, like, clapping and. And when I do a panel, and I was like, oh, my God. This is, like, emotional because you're like, me, like, right.

[Craig Conover]

I mean, you do have the. Like, you could tell. I feel like most talent participated on this one. But you can see who's working and who's not or who is taking it serious.

[Jeff Lewis]

And so Tamara's. Tamara's like, these fucking people don't work. That's what she was saying to me. Because you know what she did. I mentioned this yesterday. I went in the green room.

[Craig Conover]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I was like, can someone. Can somebody come out here and take pictures? And Tamara's like, I'll do it. And she stood there for 45 minutes, and it wasn't. She wasn't even scheduled. And Dorinda came out for 20 minutes. Now, the only thing I'm not sure about Bronwyn, because. Did she come in from the VIP room? To help or was she scheduled and did she come in late and leave early? I don't know that yet. That's why I'd like to know what time was that VIP room?

[Craig Conover]

I don't know her.

[Jeff Lewis]

We need to get to the bottom of this. I want to know who was scheduled.

[Craig Conover]

And show up and see how everyone's schedules online.

[Jeff Lewis]

Because you know what, Craig? They all made it to the Bravos.

[Craig Conover]

Oh, wow.

[Jeff Lewis]

They all made it to get there just in case they might get an award.

[Craig Conover]

Twice nominated. Yeah, I didn't win anything.

[Jeff Lewis]

I didn't go.

[Madison LeCroy]

I didn't win anything.

[Caller or Guest]

The VIP in question is 11:30 Sunday VIP lounge visit.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, we'd like to know, please call in if you were scheduled or you knew who was scheduled. 844305. Andy, 844305. Let's call out these Bravo.

[Craig Conover]

LeBron. I got more fights with the staff last time than this time though, for those meet and greets and stuff. Because I said if people are lining up, we're taking a picture with every person here and do not shoo them off the stage. I know we had to like keep it moving, but there's a right way to do that. And I feel like this year was way better because you don't want people to feel stupid or like silly.

[Madison LeCroy]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Craig, I'm going to tell you what my really good friend said about you this morning. She said she's a huge fan of Southern Charm. It's her favorite show on Bravo. She said you're highly intelligent. She said, but you have an anger problem. Is that true irritability?

[Craig Conover]

I wouldn't say I have an anger problem.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. She said anger problem. I'm just quoting her because I also have an anger problem.

[Craig Conover]

This is why. Because contextually the 2, 2, 2 to 3 hours of shit that happens before I freak out is never shown. And what I realized.

[Jeff Lewis]

I agree.

[Craig Conover]

And so if you had an anger problem, that's something that happens very quick. I still should be able to control myself after those three hours, which is what I've been working on. But that's where my issue comes.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have an hour and a half.

[Craig Conover]

Limit and eventually I just freak. Like they push and they push and they push.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Craig Conover]

And I'm very sensitive to justice. So if I see something that I don't agree with happening, I will freak out. But no, I wouldn't say that. The anger part is there. It's more reactionary, you know, hot headed.

[Jeff Lewis]

Maybe Carrie in Illinois, line one. Oh, she disagrees with both of you. Hi, Kerry.

[Caller or Guest]

Hey, chumps. I just wanted to call and point out that I think Whitney, with all due respect, is the number one gentleman from Southern Charm.

[Craig Conover]

That's awesome.

[Madison LeCroy]

Okay, I agree with that. I mean, we don't really count Whitney as like. Because he's not there all the time. He's. He.

[Craig Conover]

Yeah, he pops in and out.

[Madison LeCroy]

So, yeah, he.

[Craig Conover]

I mean, we wouldn't be here. Whitney started the show. This weird, weird guy named Whitney just showed up to Charleston one day.

[Madison LeCroy]

Whitney is hilarious.

[Craig Conover]

We thought he was doing it to meet girls and somehow camera showed up. Whitney's on this season a lot. Way more than usual.

[Jeff Lewis]

Before we take a break, I just got a text from Sutton Strack. She is having a real hard time. Did you hear her house got broken in two where she was in Bravo Congress?

[Craig Conover]

No.

[Jeff Lewis]

She said they stole a lot of my jewelry, all of my handbags. No, it's been. She's really upset.

[Craig Conover]

Which house?

[Jeff Lewis]

The one in Bel Air.

[Madison LeCroy]

She says on the main road.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. She goes, I don't think it's time for me to do the show this week. She said I'm not in a great place. Well, I totally understand. Absolutely. We will reschedule for tomorrow. Can we take line 3? JoJo in New York for Madison.

[Caller or Guest]

Hi, guys. I just want to say, Madison, you are the kindest person. I met you at a Kristen S. Event last year, and you're just the sweetest thing. Jeff, you have to watch Southern Charm. It's the best show on Bravo right now.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm in it. I'm.

[Caller or Guest]

Yes. Amazing. Jeff, have you ever met Ms. Patricia? Because I do feel like you'd be best friends. And also Craig and Madison. Have either of you spoken to Catherine and how's she doing?

[Madison LeCroy]

I have tried to reach out to Katherine just like a wellness check situation. Shot her a text and said, if you ever need anything, obviously, please call me. I think Craig can probably say he got a reply because I didn't, but she.

[Caller or Guest]

We.

[Craig Conover]

We intermittently message. I do owe her a call because after her jail, she just got out of her serving her sentence and I do need to call her. I am privy to some information that there might be a road back for Catherine, but a lot has to happen and I feel like I owe it to Katherine to at least give it a shot and talk to her about it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you very much for your call. Now, I've only seen Patricia on social media. She's a queen, and I imagine she's a huge gay magnet. I think we would love her on this Show.

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, that would be iconic now.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's a very important question. It's a little more serious. Line 7. Lily in Texas for Craig. Hi, Lily.

[Madison LeCroy]

Hey. Hi.

[Caller or Guest]

So, Craig, I want to know, are you currently commando or do you have some underwear on these?

[Craig Conover]

The pants. The pants I'm wearing are too thin to be commando. And so I thought, out of respect for the radio show, I wore some briefs.

[Jeff Lewis]

You didn't have to do that for us. Yeah.

[Caller or Guest]

Come on.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you for your call.

[Craig Conover]

Lily.

[Jeff Lewis]

Line one. Sarah in Iowa.

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, my God. Hi, chumps. Craig, Madison. You guys are both amazing. Madison, I've been cheering for you since day one because I just left Tampa after 10 years, and I know what it's like to have to work your way up and no one knows you and you didn't come from money and be around those people. So I just think you're amazing.

The reason why I'm calling.

[Jeff Lewis]

So nervous.

[Caller or Guest]

I love and appreciate your relationship with Patricia as your family has grown and as you've developed your career. How has she helped you or mentored you?

[Madison LeCroy]

Honestly, like, she is a second mother to me. I mean, without. I mean, without her, I don't know where I would be. I'm the daughter that she never had, and anything she says, I do. So I'm like, sweet. Yeah. I'm like, tell me what to do. She guides me, and especially with the show and in my businesses, I mean, she's the best advice ever. She has all of it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis lad every weekday on SiriusXM as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel, exclusively on the SiriusXM app.

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