Phaedra Parks & Cameron Mathison: Man-monia & Caretaking

Summary

Podcast Summary: Jeff Lewis Has Issues (SiriusXM)

Episode: "Phaedra Parks & Cameron Mathison: Man-monia & Caretaking"

Date: January 21, 2026
Guests: Phaedra Parks, Cameron Mathison

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Jeff Lewis Has Issues brings together Real Housewives legend and funeral director Phaedra Parks and actor/host Cameron Mathison for a trademark Jeff Lewis blend of irreverent banter, behind-the-scenes life updates, and candid, often chaotic conversation around caretaking, illness, workplace dynamics, parenting, and, unexpectedly, the funeral industry. The tone is fast, funny, and unfiltered, delivering personal anecdotes, thoughtful observations, and plenty of laughs.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jeff’s "Man Flu," Illness Revelations & Dry January

[04:00–06:55]

• Jeff details being “down for three days with the man flu” and how forced downtime led to deep reflection on life, routines, and relationships.
• Cameron reveals his own rough bout of pneumonia and discusses how illness can temporarily zap even… other vital functions:
  • Cameron: "I'm used to waking up with hard ons regularly... I noticed when I was sick, none of them. Zero." [05:39]
• Both agree illness prompted a significant reset toward healthier routines, including Jeff’s late start on “Dry January.”
  • Jeff: “I'm going to jump on Dry January on the 12th... I'll carry it over to February.” [06:09]

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2. Coffee Orders, Staff Dependency, and Lunch Delivery Drama

[01:55–11:00]

• The crew roast Phaedra’s complex Starbucks order (chai with 5 pumps, no water, oat milk, double espresso, 3 vanilla, extra pumpkin foam).
  • Annie: "A Starbucks chai order, which I never said I was going to Starbucks..." [02:02]
  • Jeff: "That's the most incredibly elaborate Starbucks order ever." [02:17]
• Jeff complains about how assistants subtly make you dependent on them.
  • Jeff: "They work to make you dependent, which is very smart...and then they gaslight you — you could never do it without me."
  • Cameron: “Could you?” [03:57]
  • Jeff: "I used to do all this shit myself … I just choose not to." [04:07]
• Lengthy discussion about the workplace debate: is it inefficient to have multiple staff fetch lunch when delivery is possible?
  • Jeff: “I started buying lunch for my employees...now I feel taken advantage of. Had to clock them earlier last year because of the money spent at some places.” [07:12]
  • Shane: “You’re paying extra so she can leave early.”
  • Jeff: “I'd rather pay the full what I posted.” [09:13]
  • The debate ends with Jeff threatening to audit credit card statements for coffee/lunch expenses and everyone poking fun at the cyclical pattern of complaints.

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3. Being Sick at Work, Contagion, and "Coming in Hot"

[10:54–12:45]

• Oscar, accused of being “patient zero,” jokes about taking down the whole team with illness (“I took down almost an entire radio show”).
• Jeff insists on coming to work sick, citing responsibility, while the team tease each other about their approaches to illness and workplace health.
• The team move to a lighter mood with banter about Golden Globes red carpet coverage and guests arriving late.

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4. Meet the Guests: Life Recap with Cameron and Phaedra

[13:14–17:19]

• Jeff introduces Cameron with a hilariously deadpan checklist of recent disasters: house burned down, mother passed, beat cancer, wife left (not divorced), “used to have equity.”
  • Phaedra: "Do you eat prayer?" [14:56]
  • Cameron: “I’m still here — and you look this good.” [15:03]
• Friendly teasing about Cameron “milking” his tragedy for free stuff and media spots.
• Phaedra picks up on the theme, showing curiosity and humor about the “camping alone” phenomenon.

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5. Camping, Solo Road Trips & "Lot Lizard" Theory

[17:22–19:44]

• Jeff lays out his theory that Cameron's solo road trips are suspect, joking about pickup “lot lizards” (truck stop prostitutes).
  • Jeff: "It's always the classy, poised, sophisticated man. Kinky, kinky, kinky shit." [18:31]
  • Cameron: “Sadly, no. I just like to be quiet, be alone, I’m the family pack mule.” [18:55]
• Banter shifts to cars:
  • Cameron: “Jeep Grand Cherokee for mountains… 1965 Fastback survived the fire.” [20:17]

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6. Funeral Home Business & Death by Diamonds

[20:44–26:46]

• Phaedra details the cyclical nature of funeral home business: holidays, flu season, "people stop dying at Valentine's Day."
  • Phaedra: "This is the high season for people to die... Flu is taking them out – 5,000 people have come to the flu." [21:00 & 21:10]
• Conversation loops into industry trends: cremation, making diamonds from ashes, lab-grown stones, casket price tags, and how grief drives impulsive spending.
  • Jeff: “When I opened my mortuary with you...you want to make sure they can’t refund, when they wake up and say: shit, what did I agree to?”
  • Phaedra: “Can you really spare cost for the final party? You’ve got to blow it out.” [23:44]
  • Phaedra: “You can go up to hundreds of thousands [for caskets]. Michael Jackson’s casket…” [24:11]
• Tongue-in-cheek business planning about buying a diamond machine for ashes with Oscar’s credit, bankruptcy options, and the ethics thereof.

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7. Parenting Approaches: Teen Parties, First Cars, and Flying Kids First Class

[29:44–38:34]

• Phaedra discusses her teenage sons’ demands for luxury cars; she insists on reasonable/used options.
  • Phaedra: "He wants a Hellcat, but there's no way in hell I'm buying a Hellcat for a 15-year-old." [30:10]
• The group debates kids flying first class vs. economy, centering on issues of safety, entitlement, and parental proximity.
  • Jeff: “If I’m sitting in first class and my kids are in like aisle 25, people would say I’m a cheapskate!” [35:19]
  • Cameron: “It's not about the money; what if it's about not giving the kids a sense of entitlement?” [36:07]
• Cameron and Jeff both value family time during travel and cars over luxury isolation.

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8. "Carversations," Family Bonding, and Kids’ Personalities

[37:38–44:29]

• Phaedra introduces the idea of “carversations” — best parent/child conversations happen in the car.
  • Phaedra: “There’s a study...best conversations with children, especially boys, happen in the car.” [37:52]
• Cameron describes road trip conversations as the best part of vacation.
• Both guests share stories about their kids’ personalities:
  • Phaedra: "My oldest thinks he's like my dad...runs background checks on guys I meet. My youngest is very loving, but very shady!" [41:12+]

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9. Pets & Caretaking:

[39:40–41:00]

• Jeff notes how his usually hyper dog was calm all weekend while he was sick.
  • Phaedra: "They can sense it. They can smell it." [40:49]

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10. Reality TV: The Traitors, Housewife Camaraderie, and Gameplay

[45:08–47:35]

• Discussion of The Traitors (Phaedra starred in season 1):
  • Phaedra: “You’ve got to be likable, but think before you speak; sometimes it comes down to a bad eyelash day…” [45:13]
  • On Michael Rappaport: “He doesn’t think about what he says before he says it—it puts a target on his back.” [46:05]
  • General wisdom on the difference between Housewives (playing for drama/TV) vs. hardcore gamers (playing just to win).
  • The importance of being under-the-radar and likable.

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11. Cameron’s Soap Opera Persona and Fan Reactions

[47:52–48:41]

• Caller Patty from Minnesota calls in to tease Cameron about his General Hospital character:
  • Patty: "I hate you on General Hospital. I love you on General Hospital, but I hate your character. You’re such an asshole!" [48:02]
  • Cameron: “You’re not alone – I get apples thrown at me in the supermarket…” [48:19]
  • Reveals his character was just shot by his on-screen wife.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jeff Lewis: “I know I’m specific. I know I’m a little high maintenance—which is why I tip really fucking well.” [01:04]
• Cameron Matheson: "I’m used to waking up with hard ons regularly … when I was sick … none of them. Zero." [05:39]
• Phaedra Parks: "This is the high season for people to die. It really is. People usually like to pass after Halloween, but they stop dying at Valentine’s Day." [20:48]
• Cameron Matheson: “They want the money. That’s the difference between like the Housewives and gamers…” [47:05]
• Patty (Caller): "I hate you on General Hospital. I love you on General Hospital, but I hate your character!" [48:02]
• Jeff Lewis on his future burial: "If I have a tombstone, they'll desecrate it every week … Can you imagine all just the spit on it alone?" [25:28]

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Key Timestamps

• 01:55 — Phaedra makes her elaborate coffee order
• 04:00 — Jeff reflects on his dependency on staff
• 06:09 — Jeff commits to a (belated) Dry January
• 13:14 — Phaedra arrives, Jeff runs down Cameron’s recent misfortunes
• 17:22 — Jeff reveals his "truck stop lot lizard" theory for Cameron’s solo road trips
• 20:44 — Phaedra on the “dying season” in the funeral business
• 23:44 — Discussion about making diamonds from ashes
• 29:44 — Phaedra talks about her son’s car wish list
• 35:19 — Debate over merits of flying kids in first class
• 37:52 — Carversations: Best-parent child talk happens in the car
• 45:08 — Phaedra gives advice on The Traitors gameplay
• 48:02 — Caller roasts Cameron’s General Hospital character

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Tone and Style

The episode is quick-witted, raw, and self-aware. Jeff’s candor drives much of the humor, while both Phaedra and Cameron add depth with stories of parenting, grief, and career insight, never shying from making fun of themselves or each other. Banter is unfiltered and includes adult language, but remains warm, relatable, and lively throughout.

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For New Listeners

This episode offers a classic Jeff Lewis blend: boundary-pushing honesty, workplace absurdities, a look into the personal lives of celebrities, and a surprising education on the business of death—all served with wit and a wink. If you enjoy irreverence, behind-the-scenes realness, and a little chaos, this will give you a strong sense of Jeff Lewis Has Issues’ unique flavor.

Transcript

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[Phaedra Parks]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[Jeff Lewis]

Stop fucking apologizing. You're not making it any better. You're just reminding me how late we are. I know I'm specific. I know I'm a little high maintenance, which is why I tip really fucking well. I don't want to start shit, but don't you really? Okay.

[Oscar]

Really.

[Phaedra Parks]

Jeff Lewis has issues.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has Issues. In today's episode, Phaedra Parks and Cameron Matheson join the show. We talk about my weekend in bed with the flu and Phaedra's funeral homes. Plus which of my employees will be my future caretaker. We are waiting for Phaedra Parks. I believe her arrival time was one minute ago. Is that correct? Have we heard from Phaedra?

[Oscar]

I think we are in communication with Phaedra and she will be here soon. But you know, we like to lean into the clunk here at Jeff for this live.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think it's a good sign that she did give you, Annie, her coffee order. Is that correct?

[Annie]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

What was her coffee order? Was it complicated?

[Annie]

Yes, it was really complicated.

[Jeff Lewis]

Will you read it, please? I'm just curious.

[Annie]

A Starbucks chai order, which I never said I was going to Starbucks. And she goes, chai with five pumps, chai, no water, oat milk, double shot of espresso with three pumps of vanilla and extra pumpkin spice foam.

[Cameron Matheson]

What in. I don't.

[Jeff Lewis]

Holy shit.

[Cameron Matheson]

That is the most incredibly elaborate Starbucks order ever. And by the way, why is that good news? Why is that a good sign that she put in her coffee order? To me, that's like she can still Be like, oh, it means that she's awake. Like, okay, so there's been communication. Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

Sometimes we hear nothing.

[Cameron Matheson]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[Jeff Lewis]

So that. The fact that they have requested even that order is a good sign.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Cameron Matheson]

Got you got.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know you can tell a lot about someone from their coffee order, right?

[Cameron Matheson]

You can. Okay, go ahead. What's yours?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I used to be like that. Not anymore.

[Shane]

Yeah, 50% Sprite, 20% lemonade.

[Jeff Lewis]

I used to be like that. I'm not like that anymore. You can't. I think when you're young and hot you can do that, but at my age now you can't.

[Shane]

Cameron. Cameron is too hot to be. Drink a plain black cold bread.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, yeah, you could have a different.

[Annie]

No, no, this is a quad espresso shot on ice.

[Cameron Matheson]

Quad espresso on ice. This is. I just straight up. Sometimes not even on ice, just quad espresso.

[Jeff Lewis]

What do I do? I just do like a non fat latte, two sugars.

[Shane]

I've switched him to the cold brew, the vanilla cream, cold brew. It's delicious.

[Cameron Matheson]

I love that he has to ask you what is.

[Jeff Lewis]

I do have to ask him.

[Cameron Matheson]

He's like, he's got no idea.

[Shane]

Vanilla sweet cream, cold brew. It's the best Starbucks order.

[Cameron Matheson]

Okay.

[Oscar]

All right.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was going to ask Tom Arnold about this because, you know, you hire an assistant and then, you know, you really heavily rely on them, but they, I think they work to make you dependent, which is very smart because now he's, you know, he's become the most valuable employee because I'm now so dependent on him.

[Cameron Matheson]

Right.

[Jeff Lewis]

But I believe that that was calculated. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Cameron Matheson]

Because I.

[Jeff Lewis]

Because. And then what they do is they gaslight you and they think, oh, you could never without me.

[Cameron Matheson]

And could you? Like, could you? Of course.

[Jeff Lewis]

I used to do all this shit by myself.

[Cameron Matheson]

You think so? But you went to Doug's house.

[Shane]

Movie tickets. What are you talking about?

[Jeff Lewis]

If I used to do all of that shit by myself, I used to.

[Shane]

Be able to navigate amc.

[Jeff Lewis]

I used to navigate an airport. I could do. I could make reservations. I could do everything myself. I just choose not to.

[Shane]

The first, the first five years is all about taking on as much as you can. And then the next five years is about getting rid of all those responsibilities so that you can coast.

[Cameron Matheson]

I see.

[Shane]

So I've just been working really hard, taking on everything I can. Now I'm like, maybe we should hire a radio producer. Maybe we should hire social media.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Cameron Matheson]

So you, you took on all that stuff. And then part of your ploy is then you hire, like, extra people to take on the stuff that you were doing last five years.

[Shane]

Exactly.

[Jeff Lewis]

So, Cameron, genius. I didn't really realize this until this weekend. So I'm always running, running, running, and people. I feel like people are always coming at me like, hey, when can we talk about this? I'm always just trying to get through the day. And I'll say to people, can we talk about this maybe tomorrow or Wednesday? Because I'm just. I've got so much to just get through the day. But I just had the man flu. And so I was home three days in bed with my thoughts, which I struggled, but I was. It's interesting because when you're. When you're forced to just sit there and like, think through everything. And I mean, I was just like, re. Evaluating everything from my diet to my drinking to my exercise to my relationships to my parenting to my. I mean, all of it.

[Cameron Matheson]

I really get it because you're just sitting there. Did you while. Because we, you know, I was.

[Jeff Lewis]

You had the man flu.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah. I also had the man flu. Turned into pneumonia. It's been a mess, but whatever. Yeah, that's a good one.

[Jeff Lewis]

But your dick shrink.

[Cameron Matheson]

It.

[Jeff Lewis]

It.

[Cameron Matheson]

Like, I'm used to waking up with hard ons regularly.

[Jeff Lewis]

Good for you.

[Cameron Matheson]

And I noticed while I was sick, none of them like, zero, like, same. So I don't. I don't know necessarily if it shrunk, but it wasn't getting used very. Like, it wasn't. It wasn't active at all. Which I was like, oh, my God. Does it still work? Like, what's happening? Yeah, now I'm feeling better.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's one of the worst. When you get sick, everybody can know.

[Cameron Matheson]

That I'm, you know, everything's fine.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. Everything works now.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah, everything's fine.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm sorry. I got distracted.

[Shane]

What conclusions have you come to from your sickness?

[Jeff Lewis]

I am gonna. I know it's a little late, but I'm gonna jump on the dry January on the 12th. Yep. But it's okay. Cause I'll. I'll carry it over to February.

[Shane]

Well, and you probably started, what, on the 8th or so? So.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, so I started a couple of days ago.

[Cameron Matheson]

But that's what I wanted to ask you because you said when you're sitting there alone with your thoughts and alcohol comes like this. Something about this flu has turned me off alcohol completely. Like, not one part of me is interested. Like, even coming and feeling better now.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm like, ugh, it's funny.

[Cameron Matheson]

What happened?

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm not interested in Celsius today. I'm not interested in Pop Tarts today. I'm not interested in alcohol today.

[Shane]

What are we gonna talk about on the show?

[Jeff Lewis]

I have no. We're gonna have to cancel the show. They wanted to anyway. We'll just do it for them. But, yeah, I think I'm doing, like, a complete reset with my body.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah. For you. Yeah, that's. I mean, that's.

[Shane]

What are we gonna have for lunch?

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't. I mean, I'm having soup today.

[Annie]

So much soup. We get whatever we want. We can have goop.

[Cameron Matheson]

What kind of soup? Oh, you get it from goop. The soup.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I just don't. It just doesn't take three of you to go pick it up.

[Annie]

No, it doesn't.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's where I got mad last time.

[Annie]

Okay.

[Cameron Matheson]

Can you explain that?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. So I regret ever doing this, Cameron, but I started this years and years and years ago where I buy all my employees lunch every day. And if I could tell you the amount of time it takes for everyone to decide on what restaurant and then decide on their orders, I mean, I can't even tell you the time that's wasted. I really. I'm trying to streamline the process because it very much frustrates me because it started off as something generous, of course, and now I feel like a little taken advantage of. So I had to clock them earlier last year because they were spending so much money at some of these restaurants. But they love goop, and that's fine. But what happened that day?

[Annie]

So we ordered it, and then I download all the footage. So I'm just, like, sitting there waiting for her to all download. And then Monica was like, do you think you could go with me? So we can just pull up, you jump out, grab it, and then we go. Because the parking's really bad over there. I was like, sure. So we went, and I'd post for you. I was riding in the car with Monica, and then we picked up the food, and then we got back and we ate.

[Cameron Matheson]

That's a. That's a solid. That's a solid argument.

[Jeff Lewis]

The way that I look at it is I take their salaries, I calculate what I pay them per hour. I figured out, you know, what? Even if they're both gone 30 minutes, which I think was wrong, I think it's longer than that. What it cost me.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

For two of them to go pick up lunch, it infuriated me. And I said, no more goop. No more goop.

[Shane]

What I said was Annie is not paid by the hour. She's paid by the day and she left at 3:30 that day. So if you want to pay extra to have the food brought to the house so that she can leave early, that's fine, but that's what you're going to pay an extra $40 for her to leave early.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wait, I'm sorry, what is your reasoning?

[Shane]

Because she's paid by the day, not by the day.

[Jeff Lewis]

Does it matter? You take the day rate and you divide it by the eight hours she.

[Shane]

Left at 3:30 that day.

[Jeff Lewis]

So if so are you saying she left later?

[Shane]

I'm saying no, she still left at an early time. So if you want to pay the extra $40 to have it delivered, you're just getting her out. I mean, you're just paying her to leave early.

[Annie]

And I work in the car, which you can do.

[Jeff Lewis]

But I'm saying I don't think you worked in the car and I'd rather.

[Annie]

Pay the full what I Posted.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm on DayQuil, so I'm a little more agitated than usual.

[Cameron Matheson]

No, no, this is good. This is amazing. This is the first time I've seen this sort of dynamic. By the way, I think your argument falls apart. I don't why are you following it, Jeff?

[Shane]

No, she's not paid by the hour. No, I got paid by the hour.

[Oscar]

She's paid by the day.

[Jeff Lewis]

But it still costs me money if she has to leave the office to go pick up.

[Shane]

In what way?

[Jeff Lewis]

What do you mean? This is time she could be spending on work, but she's got all her.

[Shane]

Work done and left early.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think she could be working.

[Cameron Matheson]

I'm your biggest supporter and I have.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know why he's defending her? Because he loves goop. He loves goop.

[Cameron Matheson]

Can we talk about.

[Shane]

I want the chicken teriyaki bowl. It is clean. It is healthy eating. I get my avocado, I got my healthy fats.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's what it's about.

[Cameron Matheson]

You love the soup Ed Goop. So for. Do you find like, for me that's a half serving. That soup is a half. So I get two soups. Because for me that's like, to me it's a good.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's good for me. Somebody that overeats.

[Shane]

Oh, portion control.

[Jeff Lewis]

He's like, oh, yeah, I see.

[Cameron Matheson]

Maybe I shouldn't open that door. Sorry about that.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I just said I want the food delivered unless it's very easy to pick up. And so now I'm sarcastic, like, well, how many of you are gonna have to go pick it up.

[Cameron Matheson]

I get that.

[Shane]

And then. And then in six months, I resent it. He'll be back when the bills are high again, and then we'll go back to picking up. It'll just. It's cyclical.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, you're right.

[Annie]

It's just a cycle.

[Cameron Matheson]

How much of this right now is because you're feeling under the weather and you're a little bit more agitated than normal?

[Jeff Lewis]

I think, honestly, is that I'm clear. I'm clear and I'm looking. And you know what? I'm gonna. You know what? I'm gonna look at those credit card statements today. You two better be careful, all three of you.

[Shane]

Fine. Then she'll have to go pick it up to bring down the cost.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm gonna go through the credit card statements today, and I'm gonna see what they're spending on coffee, what they're spending on lunches.

[Shane]

Yeah, I didn't even get a cappuccino today. I'm having.

[Jeff Lewis]

This is all your fault, by the way.

[Oscar]

Me?

[Cameron Matheson]

By the way. You're looking. Like, literally.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're looking so patient zero guilty over there.

[Oscar]

I feel great. But as I said to Jeff in the confere, I feel like the lesson learned is we shouldn't, as employees, we shouldn't feel pressured to come to work when we're sick, because look what happened. I took down almost an entire radio show.

[Jeff Lewis]

He's so happy about it. This proves his point.

[Cameron Matheson]

I love that they didn't believe you and that, like, they made you prove.

[Shane]

Thank you, Cameron.

[Cameron Matheson]

Down.

[Oscar]

But I theoretically was not contagious when I got here. I do feel bad that you got so sick or that you are so sick.

[Jeff Lewis]

I just think you're still contagious after a couple of days.

[Shane]

So then why are you here?

[Jeff Lewis]

I said I am contagious.

[Shane]

I mean, so then everyone in this room is exposed.

[Cameron Matheson]

Jeff, like, called it right from the beginning. He said I. Because I said I'm not contagious. I went to urgent care. I proved it to you guys.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Cameron Matheson]

And Jeff's like, well, I am.

[Oscar]

And we should let him See, this.

[Jeff Lewis]

Is what they don't understand. If I don't come to work, I don't get paid. Do you guys like your bonuses? Do you like all of these things?

[Shane]

Yes.

[Annie]

Come to work.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you.

[Shane]

Thank you, love.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know I'm on one today.

[Cameron Matheson]

Well, here we are.

[Oscar]

We should also let. Good news to the chumps. Zuri did make it to the red carpet when she came in and saw how Sick. You were. And was sitting directly across from you. I think she was like, no, I'm.

[Phaedra Parks]

So happy to be here.

[Oscar]

She's lucky she made it to the red carpet.

[Cameron Matheson]

I'm glad she made it to the red carpet. She's amazing.

[Jeff Lewis]

How did she do?

[Shane]

Great.

[Oscar]

A lot of fun coverage and everyone looked fun. And this year. So the Golden Globes take place at the Beverly Hilton. But they did like a staircase kind of like at the Met Gala, I think. Cause there's a lot of construction at the Hilton right now.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Oscar]

So they kind of emulated the Met Gala stairs. So it was an interesting carpet. It was different.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Oscar]

And then Kevin Fraser was on the carpet, but then was also announcing for the show. So it was a fun. Like everyone was all tied in.

[Cameron Matheson]

Oh, that's great.

[Shane]

He had to do twice the work because Cameron called out sick.

[Oscar]

Exactly.

[Cameron Matheson]

I. I was supposed to be there with Entertainment Tonight. They were very kind to ask me to come and participate, but I have no pneumonia and I didn't think it was great for me to be coughing in celebrities faces. So I. They found somebody else.

[Jeff Lewis]

Annie. Annie had a theory.

[Annie]

What?

[Jeff Lewis]

That Cameron didn't do his homework because it takes days and days and days of research.

[Shane]

Here she is.

[Cameron Matheson]

Hello.

[Jeff Lewis]

How are you?

[Shane]

She loves to make an accent.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, you're only. Oh, I think she's the by far the latest guest we've ever had.

[Cameron Matheson]

Congratulations.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, I think so.

[Cameron Matheson]

Come on in here.

[Phaedra Parks]

Not the latest.

[Shane]

Do you know Cameron Matheson?

[Cameron Matheson]

Nice to meet you.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah, I've cleaned them up.

[Cameron Matheson]

You smell great. Come and have a seat.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. So Cameron and Phaedra are flirting. We're waiting for Phaedra to have a seat. Good morning. Are you comfortable? Is your seat. Is it high enough? Are you okay?

[Phaedra Parks]

Well, I am not the littlest person in the world.

[Shane]

I'm a garden.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think you're little.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah, I'm short.

[Shane]

Maybe just pull the mic in a little bit. Yeah.

[Phaedra Parks]

Is that close enough?

[Jeff Lewis]

Good morning. Okay, so Andy did not. Do you have her coffee order? Yeah, we read your coffee order on the radio.

[Phaedra Parks]

Oh my God.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's insane.

[Annie]

Well, actually, Phaedra texted me back and just said, yes, please, I would like a coffee. But didn't tell me what she wanted. Then I asked what she wanted and she did not respond. So her team reached out with that coffee order?

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah, my team did.

[Jeff Lewis]

That coffee order is insane.

[Phaedra Parks]

I'm in California. Y' all do all this crazy.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know.

[Phaedra Parks]

La, la, la, la.

[Jeff Lewis]

But yours is next level.

[Phaedra Parks]

It's next level.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I just I was hoping that you got here a little earlier. Earlier? Cause I wanted you to become acquainted with Cameron. Let me just. I'll. So Cameron was on all my children for 14 years. He's now on General Hospital for the last five. He's also hosting Beat the Bridge on the Game show Network. He does host red carpet events and occasionally we see him on Good Morning America. His house burned down a year ago. His mom died three years ago. His dog died. Was it two years ago? He beat cancer about three years ago. His wife left him three years ago and he's not officially divorced.

[Cameron Matheson]

That's a really good synopsis. First of all, that's a lot.

[Phaedra Parks]

Do you eat prayer?

[Cameron Matheson]

Should we take it? Should we take a moment?

[Phaedra Parks]

Oh my God.

[Cameron Matheson]

I'm still here. I'm still here and you look this good.

[Phaedra Parks]

Well, he is. If I'm not what I've been through, he's the walk in version of that God.

[Cameron Matheson]

Wow. I appreciate you.

[Phaedra Parks]

Wow. And you're still not divorced?

[Cameron Matheson]

No, it's still kind of ongoing.

[Phaedra Parks]

But you must be very wealthy.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, he was until his house worked out.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah, that's trending in the wrong direction.

[Jeff Lewis]

But yeah, he used to have a lot of equity.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, this is me every day. Every day. Wow.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're Andre today.

[Cameron Matheson]

It is relaxing. The ginger and I kind of love it. I love that you guys give me such shit about all this stuff.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, you're still milking it. You were on Good morning America. You were talking about the year anniversary.

[Cameron Matheson]

I was.

[Shane]

As soon as we forgot. As soon as we had moved on as a society. He goes on Good morning America to talk about, hey, guys, don't forget my house burned down a year ago.

[Cameron Matheson]

Hold on a second, hold on a second. They asked me to do that. They put together that whole piece. They asked me. But I want you all to know. I want you all to know that when I post about anything to do with that, I want you to know that I think about all of you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do the chump stainy thing.

[Cameron Matheson]

I think about all of you and the shit that I'm gonna get on this show. Like, I literally am posting being like, man, is it worth it? Cause I'm gonna be hearing about this. I swear to you. I am not lying. I'm like, I gotta make sure this is worth me posting to get all of the flack that I get when I come on.

[Jeff Lewis]

But you do get a lot of free shit Now I have gotten, which is great.

[Cameron Matheson]

Some acts of generosity.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, yeah. People feel sorry for him. So they give him free shit.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Phaedra Parks]

So have you Re. Are you rebuilding? Is it?

[Cameron Matheson]

Well, thank you for asking, like a sincere sweet question.

[Jeff Lewis]

Here's the problem. So someone who can appreciate architecture and how they built homes in the 20s and 30s, you can't replicate the house.

[Phaedra Parks]

You got that right, honey.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm sorry, Cameron.

[Cameron Matheson]

No, no, you can't. And we are rebuilding. Eventually there's lawsuits and all sorts of stuff against Con Edison, blah, blah. But yes, the plan is to rebuild. But Jeff's right. It won't even be remote.

[Jeff Lewis]

You can't.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah, burning down the house. Poor baby.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. So sorry.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah, you sound sorry. Yeah, it's very sincere.

[Jeff Lewis]

So Cameron does these, he does these camping trips alone.

[Phaedra Parks]

You go camping alone?

[Cameron Matheson]

I do. It's not the kind of thing that I do regular. It's happened where you get bit by.

[Phaedra Parks]

A bear, just ate up by bear.

[Cameron Matheson]

No, I, I, I, I don't see bears, I don't see mountain lions. I'm just chilling. It's just like I kind of go and get some space away. The cell phone doesn't work. These guys don't believe me. They're convinced that I'm like luring women up there.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah, that's what it sounds like.

[Cameron Matheson]

Doing like inappropriate stuff or that alone.

[Jeff Lewis]

I do have a theory.

[Cameron Matheson]

Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

And it just occurred to me, I actually, I don't even think you're luring people. I don't. I think what's happening because he, he went skiing with his kids, right. And the kids flew to Vail, but he elected to drive alone for 14 hours. I'm like, what is this guy doing in his car for 14 hours? No, I think my theory is you're going to truck stops and you are picking up lot lizards.

[Phaedra Parks]

Not lot lizards.

[Jeff Lewis]

Uh huh. I see those prostitutes that sleep with tr. Truckers.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think you, because it's always the classy, poised, sophisticated man. Kinky, kinky, kinky. Shit.

[Cameron Matheson]

Figured me out. Yeah. Yeah.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Cameron Matheson]

Well, we should talk later.

[Phaedra Parks]

Tasty black.

[Cameron Matheson]

Here we go. Well, that's, that's not the case. I am.

[Jeff Lewis]

Something's off.

[Cameron Matheson]

Sadly. No. Here's the thing. And we talked about this on the phone. I just, I like to be quiet. I like to kind of be alone. It's, you know. And I also bring all the presents out there. I bring the ski equipment. I'm like the pack mule in the car.

[Jeff Lewis]

Kids fly out, ship that ahead of time, real easy.

[Cameron Matheson]

But I enjoy it. Like I enjoy the drive. I understand that not everybody's into a road trip and we'll put you in. We'll put you in first class and send you out there on the plane. But. But I'll. We're private or. Private. Let's just stick with first. Yeah, but I'll drive. That's. That's kind of how I roll.

[Phaedra Parks]

What kind of car do you drive?

[Cameron Matheson]

Well, on these road trips, I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee that I save for like mountains and beach and stuff like that. So that's. That's my kind of mountain car.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yep. That makes sense. I was going to say like Bronco or.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah, Bronco.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Cameron Matheson]

Just because of the.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, you're like an out. You're like an outdoorsy.

[Shane]

Yeah, they're. They're nice. They're new.

[Jeff Lewis]

Is that what you would think? You drive. What do you think Cameron would drive, Annie?

[Annie]

Oh, I don't know. Cars. Something hot. Sport One.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah. Annie. Thank you. Thank you.

[Jeff Lewis]

What do you think? Yeah, you.

[Oscar]

Oh, a 4x4.

[Cameron Matheson]

When I go to the mountains. Yes, it's a 4x4. I have like a regular daily driver, but then I've got Wrangler. You guys will love this.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, cheap Wrangler.

[Shane]

Four door.

[Jeff Lewis]

Four door.

[Cameron Matheson]

Guess what survived the fire is my 1965 Fastback.

[Jeff Lewis]

Here he goes. Brings up the fire again.

[Shane]

And we're back.

[Cameron Matheson]

And it's been rebuilt. And that's the car that Annie sees me in. That's the one that she visualizes me driving. And that will. That will come back from the shop maybe in a month.

[Phaedra Parks]

It's been in the shop for a year.

[Cameron Matheson]

It's been in the shop for about eight months. It's a total rebuild. Yeah, because it melted and the tires melted and the paint cracked and stuff like that. Wow.

[Jeff Lewis]

How's the funeral business?

[Phaedra Parks]

Excellent.

[Jeff Lewis]

I bet it is.

[Phaedra Parks]

This is the high season for people to die. It really is. I know that sounds weird, but people usually like to pass after Halloween. But. But they stopped dying right at Valentine's Day.

[Jeff Lewis]

They do. So this is the dying season. Yeah. Holidays.

[Phaedra Parks]

Holidays, sadness, you know, the flu.

[Shane]

People bring the flu around.

[Phaedra Parks]

Oh, it's taking them out. The flu is ser. 5000 people have come to the flu.

[Cameron Matheson]

What percentage increase during this season? Like, is it substantial?

[Phaedra Parks]

Oh, God, yeah.

[Cameron Matheson]

Are people dying?

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah, I'm Summers. Maybe a motorcycle drowning. Winters. They're coming in.

[Cameron Matheson]

They're coming in.

[Jeff Lewis]

So the flu has been good for business.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

How many loc. Oh, fentanyl too. How many locations do you have now?

[Phaedra Parks]

Eight.

[Jeff Lewis]

No shit. Are they all in Atlanta?

[Phaedra Parks]

Yep.

[Jeff Lewis]

Surrounding areas what other areas do you think would be good to expand?

[Phaedra Parks]

Chicago. You got to go where people are dying.

[Shane]

Or I think bop to Florida, where people are.

[Jeff Lewis]

Palm Springs.

[Shane]

Going there to get old.

[Phaedra Parks]

Oh, yeah, yeah, Florida is good, but, you know, with all the politics, tough.

[Shane]

To get into business.

[Phaedra Parks]

You know, people in Florida are just crazy. Yeah, you got Florida, then you got Miami.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now, have you looked into the. The death. Death by diamonds. Remember we talked about turning. Remember that machine that turns them into diamonds?

[Phaedra Parks]

You know? Yes, but you, you know, you got to be cremated and all that. But yeah, you can.

[Cameron Matheson]

You can turn dead people. I'm so sorry.

[Oscar]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

This is what I've been telling Phaedra about.

[Phaedra Parks]

No, it's a great.

[Cameron Matheson]

And then you can wear your deceased as jewelry.

[Jeff Lewis]

Correct.

[Phaedra Parks]

You can wear your.

[Annie]

You can wear your house.

[Cameron Matheson]

And is that like, Is that. Is that like a legitimate diamond or is that like one of these fake, like.

[Jeff Lewis]

Like a lab grown.

[Cameron Matheson]

Because it's pressurized.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah, exactly. Sort of lavish. But, you know, you gotta think, you know, your grandmama really could not be a diamond. Well, I mean, she would be a diamond in the rough because you love her, but, you know. Yeah.

[Cameron Matheson]

Well, you have to. You have to have died young to be. Become a diamond. Like, you have to have.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, no, no. It's just ashes. Anyone?

[Cameron Matheson]

So then why can't your grandmother become a diamond? Just because it's not right.

[Phaedra Parks]

She can't be a real diamond.

[Cameron Matheson]

Gotcha.

[Phaedra Parks]

We can make her a diamond.

[Cameron Matheson]

I see.

[Jeff Lewis]

But see right now, Phaedra, the popularity of these lab grown diamonds, I mean, now's the time. And let me ask you this, because I was just thinking when I opened, because I really am very serious about this. When I opened my mortuary with you, because you have all the experience.

[Phaedra Parks]

Let's do it.

[Jeff Lewis]

So when people come in grieving, because I remember when my grandma died, when you go in and you're just in a haze, like you're in a fog and you're not thinking clearly and you know, you get the best casket and you buy this and buy that, you have no refunds, right? Because you don't. You want to make sure that when they wake up and like, shit, what did I. What did I agree to? Like, yeah, I can't afford this. But you have to.

[Phaedra Parks]

It is. Can you spare cost for the final party for your loved one there you. You gotta blow it out.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, that's what we'll say.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Initially, you know, to get them to commit, but we can't.

[Phaedra Parks]

You don't own the policy.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Phaedra Parks]

No refund.

[Jeff Lewis]

So do we customize the casket? Like, how do we justify that? Like, do we customize that $10,000 casket?

[Phaedra Parks]

Oh, my gosh. That's sort of cheap.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh. How much are caskets?

[Phaedra Parks]

I mean, you can go up to hundreds of thousands. I mean, think about it. Michael Jackson's casket.

[Shane]

You need the Michael Jackson casket.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

We make more money if we do a traditional burial, Correct?

[Phaedra Parks]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. So that's why when someone. If they really are committed to cremation, we need to turn it into a tennis bracelet. Because you want to make the same money. I mean, you're never going to make the same money as a burial. It sounds. Yeah, but if we turn, like, Cameron's house into a matching tennis necklace. I thought he was gonna say bracelet.

[Cameron Matheson]

First of all. I thought he was gonna kill me right here.

[Jeff Lewis]

I imagine we could charge a lot of money. Like 50 grand. Whatever.

[Phaedra Parks]

You're gonna have to get in a deal with the people that are creating those diamonds.

[Cameron Matheson]

Do you do that kind of work?

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah, well, I don't do that because. Okay. When you put the jeweler in it, then. And you know that's.

[Cameron Matheson]

There's a percentage. Yeah, sure.

[Phaedra Parks]

So you gotta sort of get into willing and diligent.

[Cameron Matheson]

So you'd rather, like, get the. Like, this is fascinating. So the casket, the traditional burial, all of that. If you're gonna get cremated, they're on a budget. Like, that's like.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Phaedra Parks]

Cremation. I'm trying to keep money, but I.

[Shane]

Don'T want a casket for you, Jeff. I think you shouldn't have a tombstone. You have a lot of people who.

[Jeff Lewis]

Don'T, like, desecrate it. They'll desecrate it.

[Shane]

Security. It would become an issue.

[Jeff Lewis]

No. Every week they're gonna have to clean it or repair it.

[Shane]

That's what I'm saying. It's not worth it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Can you imagine all just the spit on it alone? That's what I'm saying.

[Shane]

Oh, my. I'm not gonna be out there.

[Jeff Lewis]

A lot of enemies like that. A lot of enemies.

[Cameron Matheson]

You're right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Any 24 hours.

[Cameron Matheson]

So what are you gonna do? You gonna, like, have a little thing in the backyard kind of vibe? Like, what's.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't even know if my daughter will spend that ton of money or time.

[Cameron Matheson]

I mean, it's your money.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. I think I'm just gonna get cremated. But I wouldn't be mine.

[Phaedra Parks]

You wanna be cremated?

[Shane]

Diamond. What if we could we make like, a watch? Like a nice watch. I bet we could get a lot of diamonds out of you. No offense.

[Cameron Matheson]

Do you?

[Jeff Lewis]

Because of my weight?

[Shane]

I think just because the more slim jeans, the more mass, the more diamonds.

[Cameron Matheson]

Well, you're a tall guy.

[Shane]

How tall are you? Yeah, it's because you're tall.

[Phaedra Parks]

You're very tall.

[Cameron Matheson]

Are you 6? 3? 6 2?

[Oscar]

With the lips?

[Jeff Lewis]

That was not a compliment. Just so everybody knows. That was not a compliment.

[Shane]

Are you six' four?

[Jeff Lewis]

That was a swipe.

[Phaedra Parks]

You think?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, of course it was a thousand percent.

[Cameron Matheson]

It was shade.

[Jeff Lewis]

Absolutely.

[Cameron Matheson]

For sure it was.

[Phaedra Parks]

I think he wants a piece of jewelry. He wants a piece of you.

[Cameron Matheson]

When you leave, do you make the jewelry? Does the diamonds come from the. Like the ashes?

[Phaedra Parks]

Yes.

[Cameron Matheson]

So you get cremated and then you have the ashes, and then that gets condensed into a diamond.

[Jeff Lewis]

I feel like we looked into the cost of that machine, Annie. Was it like 400, 600 grand?

[Annie]

Jameson, like 200.

[Shane]

But that was off. Teemu. I don't trust this.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, we're not gonna buy it on Amazon.

[Phaedra Parks]

Oh, my God.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, we gotta get a good machine. It was 200 grand.

[Shane]

We want like a bank.

[Jeff Lewis]

A bank loan or just put on your credit card.

[Cameron Matheson]

I feel like you put on Oscar's credit card.

[Phaedra Parks]

Think about a TEU machine, Mike.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so you have to tell Cameron and. And f. Yeah, we got it. So Oscar, he did a little shopping on his credit card and he didn't. Why don't you explain what happened?

[Cameron Matheson]

What had happened was I had bought.

[Jeff Lewis]

A bunch of stuff that I didn't.

[Cameron Matheson]

Need, and I was paying off my.

[Jeff Lewis]

Credit card every week, but like 100, 200 bucks.

[Cameron Matheson]

And then at the end of last.

[Jeff Lewis]

Year, I was like, huh, I wonder.

[Cameron Matheson]

Why it still says $6,000 and not zero. And it turns out I was just paying the monthly minimum and not interest.

[Phaedra Parks]

So you're not.

[Cameron Matheson]

You weren't paying. You weren't chipping away at the cat?

[Phaedra Parks]

No. It's obviously not an American Express card.

[Jeff Lewis]

Nope.

[Phaedra Parks]

Because they wouldn't have allowed that.

[Cameron Matheson]

That's right. That's right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. So that's why. Who recommended we put it? Was that you, Shane? He recommended we put that diamond machine on Oscar's credit.

[Phaedra Parks]

Oh, my God, no. Because Oscar's not paying attention to the interest rates.

[Shane]

That's what I'm saying.

[Oscar]

But there are all kinds of things we can do. We can let you just disintegrate naturally in a bin. And we could do something with the dirt. You know, we could use you as a foundation.

[Jeff Lewis]

Phaedra, you're an attorney. What if Oscar takes out 10 credit cards? Right. We buy the diamond machines, we buy whatever we need to do. And then he would. He files bankruptcy and we ruin his credit. But then I won't be able to buy a home.

[Cameron Matheson]

You won't be able to buy a home, but you'll have a diamond making machine out of like, you know.

[Phaedra Parks]

Oscar. Do you do a lot of shopping?

[Cameron Matheson]

I do. On some crazy stuff. What kind of stuff? Wrestling belts.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wands.

[Cameron Matheson]

Okay, we gotta rewind a second. Wrestling belts. Like, like past champions wrestling belts. Yeah, yeah.

[Phaedra Parks]

Wwe.

[Cameron Matheson]

Wwe.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm wearing a jacket right now. Shout out CM Punk. That I also bought with my credit card.

[Cameron Matheson]

So you put the belt, you put the belts up on the wall. Is this like ebay stuff? Yeah, I got six belts so far. So far? See what you're, you're doing, Jeff, like you're paying him to, to buy wrestling belts on his wall.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have nothing to do with that.

[Cameron Matheson]

That's true.

[Phaedra Parks]

You should go to. You know, there's a wrestling school in, in Georgia where you could go and you could learn how to be a wrestler.

[Jeff Lewis]

Could you not encourage this?

[Phaedra Parks]

I. I mean, it could be pretty interesting.

[Jeff Lewis]

I've.

[Cameron Matheson]

I've done wrestling stuff before.

[Jeff Lewis]

I've trained in wrestling and it's not for me. Did anyone know this?

[Shane]

No.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think because we haven't asked.

[Shane]

I never asked.

[Cameron Matheson]

Do we have photos or videos of that?

[Shane]

Because I pull them up. Are you sure?

[Jeff Lewis]

There's one video on my Instagram where I get kicked in the face. Oh, I'd like to.

[Annie]

For research purposes.

[Cameron Matheson]

Good for you to try.

[Jeff Lewis]

How are your boys?

[Phaedra Parks]

They are so good. 12 and 15.

[Jeff Lewis]

So Aiden, he's 15, correct?

[Phaedra Parks]

Yes. Sophomore.

[Jeff Lewis]

16 this year.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Big party?

[Phaedra Parks]

Yes. Which he says, I don't really want a party, I just want a car. I'm like, a car is a given.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Phaedra Parks]

But the party is what I have to do for myself.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so you're doing a party. Will it be a pretty big party?

[Phaedra Parks]

Of course.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then does he know what kind of car he wants?

[Phaedra Parks]

He wants a Hellcat, but there's no way in hell I'm buying a hellcat for a 50 year old.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right. I don't know what that is.

[Cameron Matheson]

Hellcat, he just goes really fast.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh no, he'll kill himself. There's no way.

[Cameron Matheson]

Fastest cars on the road.

[Jeff Lewis]

No way.

[Phaedra Parks]

No way. Yeah, never that way.

[Jeff Lewis]

What's the second choice?

[Shane]

Well, a Honda Civic.

[Phaedra Parks]

Well, BMW, that's what he wants. But I'm from the school. Like you would get a used car. But now these kids are so entitled. Like they they're, he's like, a BMW 7 Series would be cool.

[Cameron Matheson]

And I'm like, 7 Series.

[Jeff Lewis]

7 Series.

[Cameron Matheson]

That's crazy. Let me ask you something. With my kids, when they got. Got 16, we gave them a budget. Do you ever think of just giving them a budget and then they want to get a used BMW or they want to get a new one? So it was just budget related?

[Phaedra Parks]

No, I didn't think about a budget.

[Cameron Matheson]

You know what I'm saying? Like that way, that way it's up to them whether they want to go new or used or whatever they want to do.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, that's not a bad idea.

[Phaedra Parks]

I don't know. But I, I just think children just need like a, a bucket, you know, something that's not so fast, just reliable.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah.

[Phaedra Parks]

You know, so I would like. You'd rather be in charge, you know a Toyota Camry.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah.

[Phaedra Parks]

But he says absolutely no electric cars. He hates electric cars.

[Jeff Lewis]

But I'm like, those are pretty fast too. Anyway, that's what I told him.

[Phaedra Parks]

Like, that's the best car you can get. It's fast. You don't have to go to the gas station, you know.

[Jeff Lewis]

I believe that American Idol can change my life for the better. ABC Monday American Idol is back.

[Annie]

Why are you so emotional? I don't think I'd ever get to be somewhere like this.

[Jeff Lewis]

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[Oscar]

Me either.

[Jeff Lewis]

But even if they're a little older, I don't even know if I want her. I guess in case of an emergency, I want to be near my kid.

[Oscar]

Exactly.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I'm not so sure, like if I'm in row four and Monroe's in row 18, that I could get to her in an emergency.

[Phaedra Parks]

Exactly. I mean, why? I mean. But think of how much criticism. If I'm sitting in first class and my kids are in like aisle 25, then people say, oh, she's a cheapskate. She's, you know, treating herself to luxury and her kids are way back there.

[Cameron Matheson]

And, you know, I don't think people would say that.

[Jeff Lewis]

I would say that.

[Phaedra Parks]

You don't.

[Jeff Lewis]

I would totally say that. And I have to say I don't.

[Cameron Matheson]

Think people would say that. Jeff would say. Other than Jeff, I don't think.

[Jeff Lewis]

Who's the law and order lady?

[Shane]

Hartgate?

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Cameron Matheson]

Mariska Harkite.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. So I was on a flight with her and I had my. My whole team, so I had. I had Shane, I had Monroe, Everybody in first. Right. So five people. And she had. She and her husband went first. The three kids were in the back with the nanny. And I judged her. Sorry. I judged her.

[Phaedra Parks]

I would have judged her too.

[Cameron Matheson]

Did you really?

[Jeff Lewis]

I sure did. I'm like. With your law and order money. With your law and order money.

[Cameron Matheson]

It's not about the money, though. What if. What if. I don't know. I don't know what her decision was, but what if it's about just like, not giving the kids a sense of entitlement and having them understand that, like, there's nothing wrong with sitting in a car economy for a little bit. And. And listen, this is coming from a guy who's flown his kids up front for years off and on, but now that they're in school in Europe and we've got to go and see them all the time and they're flying back and forth several times a year.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's expensive.

[Cameron Matheson]

It's expensive.

[Jeff Lewis]

Expensive.

[Cameron Matheson]

They are now flying economy or premium? Economy. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Fine. Comfort plus.

[Cameron Matheson]

And. And that's just like how they're doing it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, they're on their own. If they're on their own. Yes. Flying back and forth.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm not gonna book her first class.

[Cameron Matheson]

I'm not. Okay. Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

No way.

[Phaedra Parks]

But if I'm on, my kids have got to be near me.

[Cameron Matheson]

Okay.

[Phaedra Parks]

Because it could be an emergency. But I want to know what they're doing. They're well behaved, but I don't want them separated from me.

[Cameron Matheson]

Right, right. And. What? Remind me one more time the ages.

[Phaedra Parks]

12 and 15.

[Cameron Matheson]

12 and 15. Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

The other thing too, I will say is that I don't actually like. Like we were talking about when we flew to New York, I don't like American First Class because they have. Because they have complete, like isolated pods.

[Phaedra Parks]

Oh, no, I love a pod.

[Jeff Lewis]

I want to sit next to her. So I ch. It isn't really. It's not that big of a difference. I chose business because I want to sit right next to her.

[Phaedra Parks]

No, I get it.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I want to because I'm working all the time. Like, I. Here's six hour flight. You're stuck that I still spend time with her.

[Cameron Matheson]

I agree, I agree with that. I love that.

[Phaedra Parks]

Uninterrupted.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Cameron Matheson]

And then you guys can watch the same movie or you can hang out together.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, don't get crazy.

[Phaedra Parks]

I know, right?

[Cameron Matheson]

And you press play at the same time.

[Phaedra Parks]

I mean, because there's so much dog.

[Jeff Lewis]

With the blog I can watch.

[Phaedra Parks]

But you know what, there's a study out there that's basically documents that the best conversations between parents with their children and particularly with the boys, happens in the car. Carversations actually, Instagram is actually promoting this whole thing.

[Jeff Lewis]

Really? Well, that's.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yes, car, exactly.

[Phaedra Parks]

That's why he drives alone.

[Cameron Matheson]

Listen, when the kids went and flew back from Colorado to la, I drove them all the way to Denver in the car for those three hours. It was probably my favorite part other than skiing with them. My favorite part of the whole vacation. In the car we were playing this game of like asking questions of like, you know, getting to know like some of their favorite family memories. And we had a great time. It was like a three hour connection like that. So I completely backed that up.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do your kids do this? Because I can't make her open up, right? So for me I just have to sit and wait. I sit and wait.

[Cameron Matheson]

So.

[Jeff Lewis]

And it's always at random times and it's. Lately it's just been at night when I'm so tired, but I do it. But that's when she decides to spill it. At like 9:30 at night. 9:15 at night.

[Phaedra Parks]

What time do you go to bed?

[Jeff Lewis]

I go to bed early. I'm up at 5:30.

[Phaedra Parks]

Okay. You can sleep with your dad.

[Cameron Matheson]

Like she would not feel at home. Jeff, I'm gonna bring in this interesting little kind of card box game that's for family. And you just kind of like ask each other questions like this. And believe it or not, it sounds kind of corny, but they're really interesting. Intriguing questions. And then it doesn't matter how old the kids are or whatever. And it's a way to open these conversations. It's really sweet. And I bet you she'd love it. I bet you it'd be a way to get her to open up without her even realizing it.

[Jeff Lewis]

My kid is spoiled for sure. She needs to be because she's very sweet.

[Phaedra Parks]

You're the first man she's gonna fall in love with. So if you treat her right, she will not settle for any life.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's so sweet with me. Like this weekend she kept, she kept coming in and checking my temperature. Now Even though we had people working that, you know, there was no pressure for her to do anything, but she just kept coming in on her own, checking the temperature. She would get these cold, like, compresses and put them on my forehead. She was very sweet and nurturing, and she actually, even. I'm like, I'm so lame. Like, I carry shit around with me, but she made me a get well card.

[Cameron Matheson]

That's not lame. That's so sweet.

[Jeff Lewis]

Which I was like, I was so touched.

[Cameron Matheson]

You better keep that. That's so adorable.

[Jeff Lewis]

And she made it at school. She's like, daddy, I thought about you, and I made you a get well card. So I'm like, okay, we must be doing something right.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah.

[Phaedra Parks]

You might be a good dad.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Cameron Matheson]

You're surprised?

[Phaedra Parks]

Maybe even.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know what's crazy, too? Even my dog that's, like, hyper, and I can never get him to calm down. All weekend, he was so quiet. He was, like, rolled up at the end of my bed. And this is a very hyper dog.

[Phaedra Parks]

What kind of dog do you have?

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know.

[Shane]

A beautiful mix.

[Phaedra Parks]

He's a rescue.

[Cameron Matheson]

They can sense it. They can smell it.

[Jeff Lewis]

They can sense it.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah, they know.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah. He or she. He. He knew that you were sick and probably just was like.

[Jeff Lewis]

He was just chill the whole weekend. And this is the most hyper dog in the world. I'm like, what has gotten into you?

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah, that's.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah, he knows.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah. Looking out for you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Would you say you're very close to both your sons?

[Phaedra Parks]

Oh, gosh. Yeah. Very close.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you have one that. Cause I only have one. Right. So she's my favorite.

[Phaedra Parks]

Of course.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you have a favorite?

[Phaedra Parks]

No. They're both totally so different. Like, my oldest son, he's very much. He thinks he's like my dad. Slash, you know, he wants me to date. You know, he's like, this guy's a bum. Every time I say I meet someone, he runs down the information and researches them on Instagram. He tries to find out their net worth. I mean, like, he is, like, he should be a politician. My youngest son, very loving, but very shady. So he can be.

[Jeff Lewis]

In what way?

[Phaedra Parks]

Oh, my God. Like, yeah, like, he. He says things to people that he probably shouldn't say.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are they close to their dad?

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Good. He's in their lives a lot.

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. But we have a. You know, but guys have a different parenting style from women.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Phaedra Parks]

So, like, if people invite him over to spend the night, you know, I want to know who they are. I want to Go to their house or they have to come to our house. You know, the last time I went out of town and Apollo kept them, I got back and I said, well, where's Aiden? You know, the prince, our oldest son? He says, oh, he went over to his friend's house. I was like, well, what's his name? He's like, oh, I don't know. I was like, so who's his parents? He's like, oh, it's his good friend from school. I said, well, which one? He was like, you know, the kid he hangs out with? I'm like, and then come to find out this kid didn't even go to school with him. I've never met his parents. I knew nothing about this kid. So then I was panicking. I was like, okay, Apollo needs to.

[Jeff Lewis]

Watch all her fault. That's exactly what I was thinking. Apollo needs to watch All Her Fault. This is exactly what happened.

[Shane]

It's a scripted show on People Peacock where this mom thought her daughter or her son was at a play date. And then she goes to pick up the son, and then they're like, I don't know who your kid is. I don't know.

[Jeff Lewis]

And the kid got kidnapped.

[Shane]

It was a whole thing.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yep. Apollo needs to see All Her Fault.

[Annie]

That kid on the red carpet last night was so cute. Oh, and it was so cute.

[Jeff Lewis]

What about your kids? Are you close to both?

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah, very close.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you have a favorite?

[Cameron Matheson]

I do not have a favorite. I do. I like, I'm super close to both of them. I'll say this, that my son, now that he's 22 and he's got, like, a serious girlfriend and, you know, it's tougher to get close to him like we used to be, but we're super, super connected and close and do things together. My daughter is way more emotive and she's like, still daddy's girl. And it's amazing considering she's 19 and basically is like doing the rave scene in Paris while she's in school there and loving life and doing all her things. But yeah, we're super close.

[Jeff Lewis]

When you drive, like, when you drive for 14 hours, I just think it in, like, you're alone with your thoughts. I don't know if I have enough thoughts for 14 hours.

[Cameron Matheson]

The other thing that's gonna make it even weirder is that I barely turn on the radio. Like, I probably of 14 hours two different ways. I probably listen to music for about two hours total. That's how much I love silence.

[Shane]

That's where you Lost me.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have enough thoughts.

[Cameron Matheson]

Like, no podcast.

[Shane]

Put on a book.

[Cameron Matheson]

No, no books. I didn't listen to anybody. Like, I just want. I mean, yes, I was on the phone. I was doing some. Probably some texting, which I shouldn't have been doing, but generally I just wanted to be quiet and be alone and be still and just. And it's so beautiful. The drive is gorgeous. I just kind of like.

[Phaedra Parks]

So you take naps? Like 14 hours is a lot.

[Cameron Matheson]

Well, no, I stop halfway. So on the way there, I.

[Phaedra Parks]

At the truck stop.

[Cameron Matheson]

I stop at the truck stop, I get some company.

[Jeff Lewis]

First he goes to the atm, I.

[Cameron Matheson]

Go to the atm and then the truck's stop. You'd be surprised at the talent of the truck stop. No, I stopped. I stopped in Utah on the way there and I stopped in Vegas on the way home.

[Shane]

Utah City.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah.

[Phaedra Parks]

Well, that's some interesting ladies.

[Jeff Lewis]

Can we take line one, please? Linda in Texas. Hi, Linda.

[Phaedra Parks]

Hi. Shout out, Chance.

[Shane]

Shout out, Linda.

[Jeff Lewis]

What's your question, Linda? Phaedra, fix it.

[Phaedra Parks]

Jesus. Do you have any advice for the new Traders?

[Cameron Matheson]

And have you been watching?

[Oscar]

You don't.

[Phaedra Parks]

I have only seen the first episode. They dropped three on Thursday. You know what my advice is? You know, you've gotta be likable, but you've gotta think before you speak. You know. Cause it's a strategy game, but it's very psychological. So you know who's a traitor and who's not. You know, sometimes it comes down to a bad eyelash day. You know, like your lashes are too long and they're like you're blinking your eyes. You must be a traitor.

[Jeff Lewis]

But you know, I watched all three episodes over the weekend. I've never been. It's so funny. Cause I've checked in and out of Traders, but never really been committed.

[Phaedra Parks]

Lock in.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm locking in. I'm locked in. Michael Rappaport. You've been watching him? He's not someone who's thinking about.

[Phaedra Parks]

Oh, Michael's crazy.

[Jeff Lewis]

He's not thinking about what. He doesn't think about what he says before he says it. And it kind of puts. You're right. It kind of puts a target on his back, doesn't it?

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah. I mean, because people will vote you off sometimes because they just don't like you, you know, because who isn't a traitor and who's a faithful? No one can really tell, you know, and it's usually the slip of the tongue that makes, you know, puts you on the map.

[Cameron Matheson]

How's Mark Ballas doing from Dancing with the stars. He's a bunny.

[Phaedra Parks]

Mark is the best.

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah, he's awesome. So is he.

[Jeff Lewis]

He's kind of under the radar. Is he?

[Cameron Matheson]

Is he?

[Shane]

Yeah, he was up on the one I just watched last night on number two. That was kind of up for discussion, but not really.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, he's very under the.

[Shane]

Which I think is a smart way to play it. I think you need to be liked by all. But kind of under the radar. Not doing the most five, six episodes and then you can kind of dive in.

[Cameron Matheson]

Exactly.

[Jeff Lewis]

But it's also tv. Right.

[Phaedra Parks]

So, you know, but a lot of the gamers are there to win. They don't care about the TV quality. They want to win. That's the difference between like the housewives and gamers. Like we like to, you know, entertain and you know, have a good time. They want the money.

[Jeff Lewis]

I do like the camaraderie and the support of the house. The housewives, they kind of immediately come in and support each other for as long as they can.

[Phaedra Parks]

Uh huh. And then they turn.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then they turn. Well, you. Eventually, you know, there only can be one winner, right?

[Phaedra Parks]

Yeah. Everyone must die.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm very much into the show now.

[Shane]

Well, there actually there can be. Last year it was a four way tie, which was an interesting way to do it because that's the whole thing. The Bravo girlies will not break from each other, which you know, makes for good tv.

[Phaedra Parks]

Makes for very good tv.

[Jeff Lewis]

Patty in Minnesota, line three. How many minutes do I have?

[Cameron Matheson]

Two.

[Jeff Lewis]

Two. Hey, Patty.

[Phaedra Parks]

Hi.

[Jeff Lewis]

Shout out, Shane.

[Shane]

Shout out. Pat.

[Phaedra Parks]

I'm calling. Do you know who you have sitting in front of you with Cameron?

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you ever watch General Hospital? No, but I, I'm, I'm aware of the character he plays. Did you just get shot?

[Cameron Matheson]

Patty? Are you, are you, are you nervous for them or something? Because I promise I'm nothing like my character.

[Phaedra Parks]

I, I was gonna say I hate you on General Hospital. I love you on General Hospital, but I hate your character. You are such an asshole. But in real life you come across like you're normal. So it's completely.

[Cameron Matheson]

That's nice. That's Patty cursing. Yeah. No, I mean, Patty, you're like, listen, I, you're you're not alone. I, I get apples thrown at me in the supermarket for. We've talked about.

[Jeff Lewis]

It literally is happening.

[Cameron Matheson]

I've had people beat me. Like, I've had cars pull off onto the sidewalk and yell at me. There's a lot of very angry people at my character Drew on the show. But it's kind of fun for me. And yeah, I just got shot.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do they say by whom?

[Cameron Matheson]

Yeah, it just came out that it was the love of my life. It was my wife on the show the whole time as I was defending her. She's the one who actually shot me and it was badass. And there's something coming up that makes it even worse.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis Ladd every weekday on SiriusXM as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel exclusively on the SiriusXM app.

[Phaedra Parks]

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[Shane]

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[Phaedra Parks]

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[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, what's up subscribers? Welcome back to the channel. So which variety of Dunkin at Home coffee is your fave? Original blend? French vanilla or hazelnut? Drop a comment.

[Phaedra Parks]

What are you?

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, this is what I do when I'm home alone.

[Phaedra Parks]

Drink Dunkin' Original blend or pretend you're an influencer?

[Jeff Lewis]

Eh, both. Want a cup? Hey, let's do a taste test for the audience.

[Phaedra Parks]

Okay, how's this? The rich, smooth taste of Dunkin at Home is unmatched.

[Cameron Matheson]

Nice.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're a natural.

[Cameron Matheson]

The home with Dunkin is where you wanna be.