Porsha Williams: Demanding Kids & Altercation

Summary

Podcast Summary: Jeff Lewis Has Issues

Episode: Porsha Williams – Demanding Kids & Altercation

Release Date: April 10, 2026
Host: Jeff Lewis
Guest: Porsha Williams

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Episode Overview

In this candid, high-energy episode, Jeff Lewis welcomes Porsha Williams, Real Housewives of Atlanta star, for an open conversation about parenting demanding kids, navigating co-parenting, adjusting to life post-divorce, and handling public altercations. They also discuss the upcoming season of RHOA and Porsha’s reality TV journey, including her recent exit from ‘The Traitors.’ Expect Porsha’s signature humor, plenty of behind-the-scenes “Housewives” scoops, and an honest look at the challenges (and joys) of motherhood and reality TV fame.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. BravoPress & Hosting Challenges

• Scheduling Woes
  • Jeff and Porsha bond over Bravo’s tight filming schedules (01:26). Jeff jokes, "They said that I am by far the most difficult talent that they're working with...Money doesn't make you an asshole. But if you're an asshole and with a ton of money, you're gonna be a bigger asshole." (00:49)
  • Porsha shares her experience grabbing a quick “model’s lunch” before the show and confesses, "I didn't even reapply my lip gloss. So this is real. Back to back." (01:39)
• Hosting on RHOA
  • Jeff praises Porsha’s diplomatic hosting style (03:23), though she admits, “I do not like hosting. I think you did a good job.” (03:27)
  • Porsha’s approach for the new season is all about a “fresh start,” aiming to spread her renewed, post-divorce energy among the cast (03:46).

2. Reality of Motherhood & Co-parenting

• Security & Family Life
  • Porsha details her Atlanta “Fort Knox” home and the necessity of security for public figures (08:56). “I have like GI Joes out there. My house is like Fort Knox.” (08:58)
  • She recently bought her mom a home: “I actually think I posted it already. I bought my mom a home. ...So now...she's not over as much, but yeah, normally she is with me all the time." (08:04)
• Talking Kids & Parenting Styles
  • Strong-willed daughter Pilar is “literally raising myself, like...she's just got...such a big heart.” (10:08)
  • Porsha takes pride in being both provider and companion: "I'm the type, you know, even though I have friends and I have a lot of family, I like to take myself on dates...But she is my best date partner." (11:36)
  • Co-parenting logistics: “Her father gets her every other weekend or like now almost every weekend. So you're dealing with drop offs every day?” (14:32)
• Kids’ Responsibility & Growth
  • Porsha’s giving Pilar “real responsibilities” like caring for two small dogs: “You're a single mother with two kids now.” (15:11)
  • Daily struggles include morning hair battles and ever-changing kid clothing preferences: “It's a fucking fight. I swear to God.” (15:59); “Now do you know, for her birthday, she had the nerve to tell me she did not want a bow.” (16:24)
• Kids Manipulating Parents
  • Jeff’s story of Monroe’s clever negotiating for app purchases: “Daddy, can I have this? It’s only $99.99… Okay, then can I have the one for $8.99?” (18:47)

3. School Drop-Offs & Suburban Mom Life

• Carpool Chaos
  • Porsha’s realities of school pick-up: “You would never recognize me. No, I’m the dad, too. I will ride straight up in there without my wig, no makeup on, jogging pants.” (20:01)
• Demanding Schedules
  • Porsha shares, “If you are a minute behind 8:30, you have to then park and walk her all the way inside. So when it is time to leave before 8:30, I am like a drill sergeant because I will not get out that car.” (21:39)
  • Pilar’s preciseness: “Mother...I would like you to pick me up at 4:38.” (23:03)

4. Airplane Altercation After BravoCon

• Porsha’s Perspective
  • Porsha describes decompressing after BravoCon, only to get into an altercation on a flight:
    • “...the lady was like, are you gonna be listening to that? Am I gonna have to listen to that the whole time?...There was a nicer way you could have said that to me....And she said, bitch.” (25:24–27:21)
• Handling Conflict Publicly
  • Porsha demonstrates a composed response, reporting harassment but refusing to escalate.
  • Jeff shares a parallel story witnessing racism on a flight, emphasizing bystander responsibility (29:17).

5. Reflections on Reality TV Work

• Porsha’s Reality TV Journey
  • On “The Traitors,” Porsha laments her early exit: “I had a lot of cute outfits to show y’all. I mean, on top of me really wanting to. To be the best faithful ever. I really wanted to wear my outfits.” (33:03–33:16)
  • Payment for appearances isn’t always episode-based, with Porsha revealing, “A lot of the game shows, you do get your check. ...But when I did Traitors, I really wasn't a big fan of it before, but when I found out, I watched every episode, and I became obsessed.” (34:28)
• Taking a Break from RHOA
  • Of her “pause,” Porsha clarifies: “No, I was never put on pause like that. ...When I turned 40, I decided that I was gonna retire…Andy says, it’s just a break.” (36:39–37:12)
  • The key to taking a break: “I was very intentional with my finances to make sure that I'm covered...make sure that my future is secure with or without Housewives check.” (37:19)
• Returning to Reality TV
  • Porsha’s return is motivated by a better, more authentic, collaborative relationship with production: “If I come back, can I break that fourth wall?...They were all for it. So when I came back, I felt more able to be exactly who I am at this moment.” (38:16–39:30)

6. Emotional Growth, Accountability, and Maturity

• Handling Drama On & Off Camera
  • On controlling anger: “Over time, I learned and through some counseling that that's just an emotion, but the power that I have is in how I control that emotion. ...I felt more power on that reunion by holding my space and using my words and communicating.” (39:56)
  • Parenting influence: “If she can watch me live my life and be resilient and still come out and be a very loving, kind, fun person, that's all I want for her.” (41:45)
• Seeking Accountability
  • Porsha proactively addresses mistakes: “I am so accountable and it helps me sleep very good. If I'm talking to someone and I have handled something wrong, I will actually call them and say, hey, you know what, I was wrong.” (43:01)
  • On unaccountable castmates: “There is someone on the show...she just doesn't want to know me...I really tried to just be diplomatic and just be more and communicate better with the girls...even if it's somebody I didn't like, I still just enjoyed the moment as much as I could.” (44:42–45:45)

7. Season 17 of RHOA: Sneak Peeks

• Premiere and Season Details
  • Porsha confirms the show airs Sunday, April 5th: “...The premiere on Bravo.” (45:49)
  • New cast members Pinky Cole and K. Michelle ("Puddin") are described as established personalities who “don’t come in hot, they don’t come in thirsty.” (47:04)
  • Jeff praises the party scenes as fun and visually aspirational, with underlying cast tensions teased (05:07).
  • Drew Sidora’s “virtual date” on FaceTime at a dinner becomes a running joke (47:29).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Security and Public Persona:
  • “My house is like Fort Knox. I have like GI Joes out there. ...Being a public figure, you have to make sure that your home is like fully secure at all times.” (08:58 – Porsha)
• On Parenting and Self-Reliance:
  • “You're a single mother with two kids now.” (15:11 – Porsha to her daughter about the family dogs)
  • “Kids are so manipulative. She knew that you would say no...then can I have the one for $8.99?” (18:47 – Guest/Co-host on Monroe)
• On Airline Altercation:
  • “There was a nicer way you could have said that to me....And she said, bitch.” (27:19 – Porsha recounting the incident)
• Philosophy on Growth and Parenting:
  • “If she can watch me live my life and be resilient and still come out and be a very loving, kind, fun person, that's all I want for her because that's real life at the end of the day.” (41:45 – Porsha)
• On Reality TV Resilience:
  • “I've always been full time and to just kind of, you know, pat my back. Even on a half semi pause, I still was the number one storyline.” (36:33 – Porsha)
• Self-Awareness About Conflict:
  • “Over time, I learned and through some counseling that that's just an emotion, but the power that I have is in how I control that emotion.” (39:56 – Porsha)

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Important Timestamps

• Bravo scheduling and Housewife hosting: 01:26 – 04:22
• Porsha on family, home security, and buying her mom a home: 07:57 – 08:55
• Kids, parenting styles, and funny parenting battles: 10:02 – 18:11
• Carpool/School drop-off anecdotes: 20:01 – 23:26
• Airplane altercation story: 25:24 – 28:40
• ‘The Traitors’ and working reality TV: 32:58 – 34:01
• Break from RHOA & intentional return: 36:39 – 39:30
• Talking about growth, anger, and parenting by example: 39:30 – 42:49
• Accountability & relationships on Housewives: 43:01 – 45:45
• Season preview (new cast, notable scenes): 45:49 – 47:42

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Final Thoughts

This lively and deeply personal conversation offers fans a peek behind the curtains of both Porsha’s life and the Real Housewives machine. With trademark humor and authenticity, Porsha and Jeff navigate life’s drama, from parenting challenges to the dynamics of fame and coexisting with rival reality stars.

Don’t miss Real Housewives of Atlanta, premiering April 5th on Bravo, with streaming on Peacock the following day!

Transcript

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[Porsha Williams]

the drama never stops.

[Jeff Lewis]

They said that I am by far the most difficult talent that they're working with. You know, we could say we don't judge. I judge and I was judging. Money doesn't make you an asshole. But if you're an asshole and with a ton of money, you're gonna be a bigger asshole. Why are you looking at me? No, I didn't. I didn't mean to.

[Porsha Williams]

I didn't mean to look at that. Right at me. Jeff Lewis has issues.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, it's Jeff Lewis and I have issues. In today's episode, Portia Williams joins the show from New York City. We talk about demanding kids and airplane altercations. Plus we tease the premiere of season 17 of the Real Housewives of Atlanta. You look gorgeous.

[Guest or Co-host]

I am so glamorous.

[Jeff Lewis]

Good to see you.

[Porsha Williams]

Come in. Let's get this thing cracking. Now.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have to say I want to Bravo schedules you people so tightly. Like Dolores walked in 20 seconds before Liz McGraw. Same thing. What were you doing before this Housewife Beltline.

[Porsha Williams]

Well, I just went to go get something to eat. Yeah, I didn't even reapply my lip gloss. So this is real. Back to back.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. Cause what we would have got you something to eat. What did you end up ordering for breakfast?

[Porsha Williams]

So I went to Ivra and love the lunch prefix. It was so good. I got the fried zucchini. I'm eating light. I had a model's lunch, so I had the Greek salad.

[Jeff Lewis]

I love the Greek.

[Porsha Williams]

That's a good an octopus. So no week apps.

[Guest or Co-host]

Love apps. No heavy bread, only a sandwich.

[Porsha Williams]

I mean, the zucchini was fried, but let's just forget about that. Lightly fried? Yeah, lightly.

[Jeff Lewis]

And are you a day drinker?

[Porsha Williams]

I Can be. Okay, I can be. But, you know, I said, you know what? I gotta do all this talking. I don't wanna misspeak again.

[Jeff Lewis]

Honey, I was at the American Dream Mall yesterday, and I had two drinks and it just screwed me up for the whole day.

[Guest or Co-host]

You were down.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm not a day drinker.

[Porsha Williams]

It depends on what it is. You gotta be light. It's gotta be something light. And for me, when I day drink, I know people do. When I say light, you're thinking like a cocktail.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Porsha Williams]

No, I mean like straight. Like straight tequila with an orange slice. Oh, yeah. So if, like, yesterday I flew in and in the airport, we had tequila, you know, like a clean tequila.

[Guest or Co-host]

You have to drink in the airport.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah. You have to. Are you traveling? Yeah. I can't go in the air like that, risking my life without a drink in my belly.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think it's interesting how Bravo just has. They have their own rules, like we said we wanted. We like her when they're half an hour early. But Bravo just does whatever they want.

[Guest or Co-host]

They say, you know what? We're gonna pack the girls up.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, Portia will when she gets there.

[Porsha Williams]

I think it's glamorous. Maybe a little disrespectful, but we'll.

[Guest or Co-host]

Nah, it's all right.

[Jeff Lewis]

You made it. You made it just in time.

[Guest or Co-host]

You're allowed.

[Jeff Lewis]

We were lucky enough to get the screener for episode one of Real Housewives of Atlanta.

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, my gosh. So you watched it?

[Jeff Lewis]

I did watch it.

[Porsha Williams]

What'd you think?

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, first of all, I think you're a great hostess.

[Porsha Williams]

You do?

[Jeff Lewis]

I think you did a good job.

[Porsha Williams]

I do not like hosting.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think you did a good job.

[Porsha Williams]

I don't like hosting on the show.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I thought you were incredibly diplomatic with all of the girls. I know that there seemed to be. There could have been times. Tension with one. I wanna be careful because I've seen it and no one has, but there could have been tension with one. But I feel like you really handled it well.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah, I think I. Well, I know for sure. I generally move past any negativity. You know, my goal for this season was. And that's why I opened up the season with having an event and hosting an event, even though that's not really my thing, is because I wanted to have a fresh start. You know, the year before, it was a lot going on. We all saw the reunion and the season, and I had. I played my. So this season, me being freshly newly divorced and feeling good, feeling free, feeling renewed, I wanted to bring that energy with the girls. So that's why I wanted to have like an event.

[Guest or Co-host]

You know, that is the crazy part of being a housewife is that you, it is your job to get along with these people. Like in a normal situation, if you had that big of a falling out with a friend, I would say never speak to me again, goodbye. But I mean, you're all here, you're all on the cast, they're gonna be in your home. And you do do a good job of just rolling out the red carpet

[Porsha Williams]

and cheersing and you move forward, you know, you know, you say it's to be nice and be kind, it's actually not. I think you guys pretty much like when we do have drama. And so when it comes to an event, we do have a choice whether we want to invite certain people or not. And so it was very intentional for me to invite the entire cast, you know, and actually have an open heart and have an open home and be a gracious host. My whole thought for that night was to just be a gracious host.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think that the viewers, they'll see what we saw. But what I liked about it is that of course you kind of could feel there was certain tension between certain girls. But you know what, we're just dipping our toe in right now. Yeah, it was kind of a fun party. It was interesting. Good looking people, you know, people turned out, they dressed well, they looked good and you know, it was just. But then you kind of like got a little bit of a hint of like, oh, these two don't like each other. These two like each other. So I'll be honest with you, I was a huge Real Housewives of Atlanta star for many, many star.

[Porsha Williams]

I was like, who? No, I don't rem viewer who said that?

[Jeff Lewis]

Not star. In my head. In my head.

[Porsha Williams]

I know that's right. He say I'm in it.

[Jeff Lewis]

I feel like I'm a part of the cast.

[Porsha Williams]

Cause I was in it.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was in it. And then I stepped away for a while and now I'm back in. So I had to have Shane there next to me explaining like, who's this person and what's going on with that and what happened with Shamia?

[Porsha Williams]

A lot of new girls.

[Jeff Lewis]

A lot of new girls.

[Porsha Williams]

Let me ask you this though, since you are a former housewife, Atlanta housewife.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Porsha Williams]

I wanna know, like, do you feel like after seeing the screen that we're getting back to some of that light hearted shade like you said, not going too deep, being able to kind of Scale it up to the crazy drama, you know what I mean? Not so on the nose with it where it's like, I don't really wanna watch this. You're right, it feels good, right? That's what I think.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's why I just kind of, for me, when I watch Housewives, yes, of course I like an argument or a conflict, but I also equally love when everyone is getting along and having fun. And it's also very aspirational. I mean, you've got a lot of very successful women on this cast. And you know, it's very interesting meeting the new people and hearing what they do for a living and how they've made their money. And you know, you've got these incredibly self made successful people. And you know, your house, your house helps too. It's an incredible sound.

[Porsha Williams]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, how big is that house?

[Porsha Williams]

16,000 square feet. Somewhere around there.

[Jeff Lewis]

My God, how many bedrooms? How many bathrooms? How many?

[Porsha Williams]

Come over.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you have a gym? Do you have a theater? Do you have come over?

[Porsha Williams]

I would love for you to come to Atlanta and visit.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's a nice home.

[Porsha Williams]

I really would. You know what? Even though it is a rather large home and I can tell when I'm walking from my kitchen to the bedroom, you know, I can tell that every time I'm just gonna go try to get me something to eat, I gotta walk it damn off. But it's very livable space. You know, my daughter and I and my family members, we take up space in that house. And that's what I like about it. I think that's why, you know, I'm like, okay, I can enjoy it. I've always pretty much lived in a larger home, but I enjoy every room. Like it's warm. I did an interview earlier, they were like, how would you describe your house? I'm say warm. It's very warm. And always like full. Full of like people and just a busy, bustling house. Even though it's my daughter and I.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was thinking about that. Cause I know that your dad has passed, but are you close to your mom?

[Porsha Williams]

Very close to my mom.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's at the house all the time.

[Porsha Williams]

Yes. So this season I did something very, very special for her. I actually think I posted it already. I bought my mom a home. I brought my mom another house. Yeah, I did. So before that though, of course she lived in the house prior and so she was always still. But now since she has her new house, she is always there and I'm always like, mom, you coming over? She's like, girl, I'm just enjoying my house. So now, you know, she's not over as much, but yeah, normally she is with me all the time.

[Jeff Lewis]

How close is her home to your home?

[Porsha Williams]

So now she's maybe about, I say, 40 minutes from me, which in Atlanta is pretty normal, give or take. I mean, everything is like 30 to 45 minutes away from each other. But yeah, just in general, you know, with having my assistants there, security there, my nanny, you know, we just always have something going on, which is how I like it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you have security as well?

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, absolutely.

[Jeff Lewis]

Really?

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, yeah. My house is like Fort Knox. Oh, absolutely. I have like GI Joes out there. When people come into my house, it's like, don't forget anything in the car because they're scared to go back to the car. Yeah, no, I. Yeah, of course, 100%. Being a public figure, you have to make sure that your home is like fully secure at all times. So, yeah, run up on it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wow, that's a big expense each.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah, but it's worth it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Each month it's worth it.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah, I'd rather be alive month to month.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did you have scares? Is that why you hired security? I mean, at what point did you hire security?

[Porsha Williams]

Well, I've always had security. You know, I've been on the show for 10 plus years now. We film in our homes, you know, and I think people relatively can find out where we are. Yes, I think all of us have that level of security. Like we have to.

[Jeff Lewis]

So even before your daughter?

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, absolutely. 100%. Oh yeah. I mean, I was valuable before I gave birth to her. I mean, she is my world, but I'm somebody too. Now. Hold on. Protect me. If you protect me, she wouldn't have

[Jeff Lewis]

got here now she's seven. She just turned seven.

[Porsha Williams]

Yes. March 22nd.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, so I'm the 24th. So we're both. Oh, what's her personality like?

[Porsha Williams]

So, okay, they're telling me she's an Aries. I don't attach it to her. So I never remember which one she is. She's very strong willed. Very strong willed, very creative. She's very funny. So we literally have the same personality. Sometimes my friends, they're like, they can't tell am I mimicking her or she mimicking me? Like, we're like, I'm literally raising myself, like. And she's just got. She's so sweet. I always wanted my daughter. Even though she's pretty privileged, of course. Cause I wanted to spoil her, but I always wanted her to Be very sweet.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Porsha Williams]

And she always checks on me, like, randomly. She'll come in and, mommy, are you okay? You know, and it's just at the perfect time when she does it. So she's just very, like, just such a big heart. I love that about her.

[Jeff Lewis]

In Atlanta. So you're in a suburb?

[Porsha Williams]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Does she go to private school?

[Porsha Williams]

Well, let's just give him my address now. Get the fuck off my husband.

[Jeff Lewis]

Does she go to private school?

[Porsha Williams]

Yes, she does.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. And is it intensely competitive in Atlanta like it is in Los Angeles?

[Porsha Williams]

I'm sure it is. Her school is the perfect fit for her.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah. You know, I definitely want to make sure as a parent, she is where she feels most confident, you know? And her school is a very good school, very supportive. She's still a baby, so I didn't want her to go anywhere where it's too militant, you know what I mean? Still wanna have some little hugs after snack time?

[Jeff Lewis]

First grade or kindergarten?

[Porsha Williams]

First grade. Yeah, she's first grade.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's cute. That's a fun, fun age.

[Porsha Williams]

It really is. It's hard to tell which one is my favorite. Like, I didn't. People say terrible twos. Hers was terrific too. So I love when she was 2, you know, just being able to learn how to talk and like, all of that. But six, she is my freaking best friend. I'm not gonna lie to you. Like, I'm the type, you know, Even though I have friends and I have a lot of family, I like to take myself on dates. Like, I will be. You will randomly see me in Atlanta, sitting, having a cocktail, really 100%, take myself shopping. But she is my best date partner. Like, we will go out to eat together, we've gone to Miami together, we've traveled, just she and I. Which I was scared to do at first because it's like when you have a little girl like that, it's like, am I gonna bore her? You know what I mean? Like, they can always look at you and say, mommy, I'm bored. But we honestly had a really good time. The first time we went on a vacation, just she and I. No one, no help, no nothing. We went to Miami. I had to test it out, okay? And. But we didn't go to Miami like regular people who visit Miami. We went to swim with the dolphins. We went to, like the ice cream museum. Like, we did all the things and we really had a ball. So I literally have my own built in best friend now.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was talking to Andy this morning and he was saying that he's going to taking the kids skiing. Now, I'm gonna tell you, that just seems like a lot of work with the rentals and the clothes and the lessons.

[Porsha Williams]

I know. It is.

[Jeff Lewis]

That just seems like I'm gonna let her other day, Monroe's other dad do that. It's just too much.

[Porsha Williams]

No, no, no. You're gonna go and you're gonna have hosts. What you're gonna do, you're gonna call Lisa. Lisa Barlow from Salt Lake City.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Porsha Williams]

Okay. And we're gonna go together. Because when we just did ultimate girl trip together. I love it. Ew. Baby. Gorgeous. And I fell in love with her. Okay. I just love me some Lisa and sweet. So do we.

[Guest or Co-host]

She's so funny, isn't she?

[Porsha Williams]

So we fell in love and we were like, okay, you know what? She was like, come up here. I'm gonna take Pilar from you. And I was like, girl, I don't know. I'mma host you. We're gonna have a good time. So, you know, there was some drama that was starting on ultimate girls trip, and I was like, not between Lisa and I. We have dates planned. So I protected our.

[Guest or Co-host]

Do not come in between this.

[Porsha Williams]

Do not come in between this. Okay, so we're going soon.

[Jeff Lewis]

This Andy, that's not gonna be a vacation.

[Guest or Co-host]

Oh, he's gonna be on the clock full time. Two kids.

[Jeff Lewis]

When he was talking about this, first of all, his kids are young.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah. They're the same age. They're the same age as Pilar.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, that's just gonna be. He's gonna need a vacation after the vacation, I think.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah. Or just to take a little break. He's gonna need some help, you know what I mean? I think with two, you have to take a nanny with you just to be able to have a cocktail at some point.

[Jeff Lewis]

But he's taking them skiing and then going to Miami. Oh, which is weird.

[Porsha Williams]

They might catch a cold. Changing weather like that. I don't know. You know, I'm from the South. Whenever the weather is like bipolar like that in Atlanta right now, it's like hot, then hot, then cold. All of us are sick.

[Jeff Lewis]

We can't have Pilara. Do you have her 50% of the time? Do you have her more?

[Porsha Williams]

So I have Pilara the whole time. Her father gets her every other weekend or like now almost every weekend.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you're dealing with drop offs every day?

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, yeah, I get up. So I was just saying that I get up now at 6am Because Pilar has a new dog. So. Yeah, we Had a Pomeranian already, which was peanut moon pie McKinley Williams, which was our one and only. And she wasn't really like, taking care of him, although she was supposed to. And then my partner gave her her dog, which is a miniature. No, a teacup poodle. And so his name is Milo. So ever since Milo got there, I said, listen, you got real responsibility. I'm like, you're a single mother with two kids now.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Porsha Williams]

Okay, so it's no joke. Okay. You need to be a parent. So now we get up at 6am so she can do her little thing, you know, we have. It's a fight every morning with her hair. But we get her hair done, she gets dressed and she. Before she has her breakfast, she needs to go in there and feed her kids, make sure they eat, make sure they are then taken outside to do their thing, Bring them back inside, change their pace, put some more food down, and then you go on with your day. So she has her responsibilities. So no, I'm the full time everything.

[Jeff Lewis]

So when they turn around, because I think this is probably what happened to us. We used to, when Monroe was little, we could dress her any way we wanted. She looked like a little doll. Then they get to a certain age where they start complaining, it's too tight, it's itchy, I don't want to. And now it is. Every day.

[Porsha Williams]

It's a fucking fight. I swear to God.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank God for uniforms.

[Porsha Williams]

It's a fight. Okay, so me, everybody knows, you know, everybody used to call my baby Dennis with a bow, right? And she really is like, I loved her in bows. I should have started a bow line for her pilars, baby bows. But I didn't. And now do you know, for her birthday, she had the nerve to tell me she did not want a bow.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, y'.

[Porsha Williams]

All. I almost cried. I'm not lying. I was standing behind her in the mirror, like, can it be? I said, can we just put. And so what we ended up doing was just doing a clip. And by the time we got to the party and we started taking pictures of her, I looked at the pictures, she done took even the clips out. Now she just walking around with her hair out. So not even a ponytail. None. Jay. Just wanna be free. And I think all her and her little girlfriends in the class been talking about it because her friend Mia shout out to little Mia. Her mom told us that she doesn't want her hair clips either. She doesn't want her hair in ponytails. They want their hair down and long.

[Guest or Co-host]

She's a bad influen God wouldn't.

[Jeff Lewis]

Ponytails. Monroe won't do a ponytail either.

[Guest or Co-host]

No, she won't.

[Porsha Williams]

She won't wear her hair up, out. And they claim it hurts. It hurts.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's what she says.

[Porsha Williams]

It doesn't.

[Jeff Lewis]

It would be so much easier. As I told her, I'm like, we won't have to brush your hair every five minutes if you just put it in a ponytail.

[Porsha Williams]

And, you know, I've even tried to do the ponytail where you actually don't even do the rubber band the band until after my hand. So I know it's not tight. So that's when I realized, oh, okay. You just taking a stance.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Porsha Williams]

You're just taking a real stance.

[Jeff Lewis]

Just wait. Just wait until she turns nine. It's gonna get worse and worse and worse.

[Porsha Williams]

No, I'm gonna.

[Jeff Lewis]

They're uncomfortable. And it's like, we just bought these. You just tried them on four days ago, and now they're too tight.

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, my God. How old is your daughter?

[Jeff Lewis]

Nine.

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, my God. I literally buy her shoes each week.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Porsha Williams]

And I'm like, this is the same shoe. So what I do is just buy the same shoe and a bigger size each time. Like, you're gonna wear this style. I like this style with sequins. I like the way it lights up at the bottom. Yeah. So if you're a size one, we're gonna now do a size one in the same shoe.

[Jeff Lewis]

Just wait for the growth spurts. We just. She just grew out of. She had a growth spur. She grew out of every single thing in her closet. Bathing suit, underwear.

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, my God.

[Jeff Lewis]

Dresses, shoes. Everything is gone.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah. To the point to where we just did the same thing. I just had her nanny take every single item out of her closet. That says six. Right. Because my daughter is tall, so she's basically eight, nine in her sizes. And I still can't let it go. Do you know those bags are still sitting downstairs? Cause I'm like, when she comes home, I should try some of it back on her. Maybe it still fits. And my sister, like, poor, she. Sasha, let it go.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know. I had stuff in there, too, in that closet.

[Porsha Williams]

Maybe we need to have some more kids. Cause I can't let this go. They're growing up too fast.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know. I don't know if I could do anymore.

[Guest or Co-host]

She wanted a game on her iPad last night, or. No, she has a game. She wanted an expansion thing on the game. And so she comes up and she says, daddy, can I have this? It's only $99.99 only. And Jeff was like, there's no way I'm getting an app for $100. She's like, okay, well, then can I have the one for 8.99? And it was like, okay, so she's smart.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's smart.

[Guest or Co-host]

And I shoop it.

[Porsha Williams]

That is good.

[Guest or Co-host]

And then settle right where you wanted them.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yep. She's so smart. You're right. And then I realized after I did that she manipulated me.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah, because you wouldn't say yes to an app. Because he just bought her one, like, two days ago on the. On the plane. And so she knew that you would say no. You just got a new app.

[Porsha Williams]

Exactly.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're right. And now she's learning, too. She'll be like, it's only 2.99. I go, it's 2.99amonth. Monroe, we're not doing. I go, we're not doing any monthlies.

[Porsha Williams]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, just wait till they start.

[Porsha Williams]

Now that you say that, I never even pay attention. If it's per month. $2.99, $4.99, $5.

[Jeff Lewis]

You gotta be careful.

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jeff Lewis]

Because they will not give you that information.

[Porsha Williams]

But you know what? They don't teach them how to manipulate like that in school. This is a great life skill for her.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know where she's learning it.

[Porsha Williams]

Just shape it a little bit. But let her keep her. That's gonna take her far in life.

[Guest or Co-host]

She is a hustler for sure.

[Porsha Williams]

Okay, good negotiators.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you doing car?

[Porsha Williams]

I am doing carpool.

[Jeff Lewis]

How fun is that?

[Porsha Williams]

I do. I don't. I'm not a parent person. Yeah. I'm like, you know, well, first of all, if you see me on TV or if you see me out and then you see me in carpool, you would never recognize me. No, I'm the dad, too. Yeah. I will ride straight up in there without my wig, no makeup on, jogging pants. I mean, they probably think I'm married again

[Guest or Co-host]

that's been driving Porsches.

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, that man. No, really, really. The most I'll do is like, pilar, if I'm walking out. Like, the other day, I was walking out, she said, mom, and she pointed up and out. She was like, you're bonnet. And I'm like, I'm taking you to school. What? You care what I look like? You know? But yeah. No, no, I don't socialize that much in the mornings. Afternoons, maybe.

[Guest or Co-host]

But.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wait a minute. Do you not have to? You just pick up your daughter. You don't pick up other kids?

[Porsha Williams]

No.

[Jeff Lewis]

So we have to at our school.

[Porsha Williams]

What? Who?

[Jeff Lewis]

That they won't allow. Cause there's not enough. I guess because it's a neighborhood, there's not enough parking. So you have to have one to other kids with you when you drive in the gates.

[Porsha Williams]

Okay. Yeah, that's not my ministry.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah, so they have space in Georgia, in la, it's like it's compact so you're not allowed to drive on unless you have three car.

[Porsha Williams]

Okay, so do you have to see the parents in the morning or do they just leave them at the mailbox for you pick up.

[Jeff Lewis]

We have like a little, we have a little off site. Now I don't do morning. Cause I'm on the radio in the morning. But we have like an off site meeting place and then the kids will jump in one car and we kind of rotate. I'll do pickups. Okay, but so is she ready to go like already when you're pulling up? Is she there standing there ready to jump in the car? Yeah, not my kid.

[Porsha Williams]

She's mostly there. Now if you are a minute behind 8:30, you have to then park and walk her all the way inside. And you gotta do this Hollywood stroll past all of the earlier classes and say hello to everybody before you get there. So when I tell you when it is time to leave to get there before 8:30, I am like a drill sergeant because I will not get out that car.

[Jeff Lewis]

No.

[Porsha Williams]

So yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

Smart.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I feel like maybe my daughter should work for Bravo because she also takes her sweet ass time showing up.

[Guest or Co-host]

She will have her talent there at 9:01.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right. So you're right. I mean I can't be late, but then she can make me wait.

[Porsha Williams]

Oh absolutely.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's training her environment.

[Porsha Williams]

No, she is. They are. I mean we work for them.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yep.

[Porsha Williams]

That's. That's just how they go.

[Jeff Lewis]

Cause she always makes sure that we're one of the first seven cars that go in. But then she just.

[Guest or Co-host]

And then she will just take her time to just waltz down the steps at pickup. She will take her very sweet time. But. But if we are not in the first run of cars, she's a good care about it.

[Porsha Williams]

So my daughter actually told me it was so funny. Cause like someday she wants to be flee after school, right. She's like okay, I want to go to after school. Encore. It's called Encore. I want to go Encore. And so this one day she got in the car and I guess I got there a little too late. But I'm like 4:30, 5 o'. Clock. What's the difference? So.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, it's a big difference.

[Porsha Williams]

Low key. I could get you at six, you know, so be blessed.

[Guest or Co-host]

Can we? Encore. The encore.

[Porsha Williams]

Exactly. Okay, that's my benefit. I want my whole $50 worth. So. But she checked me and she said, mother, she said, mommy, she said, I would like you to pick me up at 4:38. Now, I don't know what it is about 4:38, like the exact time, but she knew exactly what time she wanted to be picked up. And so I spread it amongst everybody. I was like, listen, if you pick up Pilar, it's gotta be 4:38.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Porsha Williams]

And you know what I think about now? I don't think she's ever checked the clock, but we all are very much prompt to 4:38. So. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

How many nannies do you have somebody every day?

[Porsha Williams]

I have one. Yes, I do.

[Jeff Lewis]

One nanny, One.

[Porsha Williams]

Mm.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Porsha Williams]

Yep.

[Jeff Lewis]

We have. Do you have Saturday and Sunday too?

[Porsha Williams]

No, she's off on the weekends.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah, she's off on the weekends.

[Jeff Lewis]

So it's all you on the weekends?

[Porsha Williams]

It's all me on the weekends. She's an au pair, so she lives with me.

[Jeff Lewis]

Nice.

[Porsha Williams]

She lives with me. Yeah. So she kind of fills in a lot, you know, if I need her, if I have to go to work, like if I have to do housewife interviews, different things I have to do outside, she's there to, you know, fill in and stuff like that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Does she have a playroom in addition to her bedroom?

[Porsha Williams]

No. So her playroom is large enough that it has a playroom within it. So her. She has like this little cove where her bed is, and then she also has this big playroom in front of it. So, yeah, she's got all that. And we just reorganized. That's another thing. I don't know if you had to do that, but reorganize these toys. So we had to go through and take out. Oh my God, it's so sad.

[Guest or Co-host]

No. And she's not going to get rid

[Jeff Lewis]

of like, the tables and the doll. I know.

[Porsha Williams]

And when I finally realized, I was like, okay, she. Look, Andre the Giant compared to her kitchen set. I gotta get rid of the kitchen set. I know, it was sad. It was really, really sad. But we did. We had to get rid of everything and make room for her big girl toy.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's so funny. Cause she has this really tiny little art table with tiny little chairs. And she's like, daddy, can we get a bigger table when we move I'm like, I don't wanna give it up, but she looks ridiculous in that chair now.

[Porsha Williams]

No, they do. You know, the little shark chairs, you know, little. They have like baby shark or Minnie Mouse. She used to eat her dinner in that. And one day, I didn't realize she. Till she was sitting to the side. I'm like, turn around and sit into the chair. She was like, I can't. I was like, oh, my God. Time to get rid of baby shark chair. It was sad. It's sad.

[Jeff Lewis]

But, you know, now can I ask you. And you don't want to talk about it if you don't want to, but I had read after BravoCon, you were on a flight from Vegas to Atlanta.

[Porsha Williams]

To Atlanta.

[Jeff Lewis]

And what happened?

[Porsha Williams]

So it was wild. So first of all, it's my fault. Let me go ahead and just. The disclaimer is, I should have had my earphones. Okay? I should have had the earphones, actually. They probably were even in my bag. But I intended on going to sleep because BravoCon, now I'm an introvert. No one really believes that I'm an introvert, but I swear to you, I really am. So I was highly overstimulated, overwhelmed, like, really tired. After BravoCon. It's a lot.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, it is.

[Porsha Williams]

We love it, but it's a lot. So my plan was to get on the plane and go to sleep, right? But I had just done this major performance with Andy. It was a magic show, and I got cut in half and all that, and it had just hit online. So as soon as I sat down, I was checking my phone and I saw it, and I was like, ooh, they posted it. Let me see me get cut. So I sat down, I turned the volume up because Andy sings on that number, which, you know, I didn't want to see him sing or whatever. So I turned it up a little bit, maybe, like, I don't know, a couple seconds worth, because it only took that long to slice me in half. And. And by the time I turned it up and was looking at it like, okay. Oh, getting the vibe. Had just turned the phone to decide to get a better look. The lady was like, are you gonna be listening to that? Am I gonna have to listen to that the whole time? And I'm like, do you want to.

[Guest or Co-host]

Do you wanna watch?

[Porsha Williams]

Do you want to. You wanna share? And, you know, and she did not like that. And she was looking at me like, you know, she was like, what are doing? You mean? And I said, well, I. You know, it. That's fine. I, I, I'll turn it down. Like, not a thing. And I said, you know what? So 20, 26, I'm like, you know what? Speak up for yourself. If people are, you know, nasty, you know, just, just you can correct people in a nice way. So I turned back to her and I said, you know, there was a nicer way you could have said that to me. Just like that. Just like us, you know, there's a nicer way you could have said. Instead of me just eating it, I just said, it was a nicer way you could have said that.

[Guest or Co-host]

Right?

[Porsha Williams]

And she said, bitch.

[Jeff Lewis]

No.

[Porsha Williams]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

She called you a bitch.

[Porsha Williams]

100%. She said, Bitch, you don't tell me what to do. She said, huh? She said, and what are you doing up here? And I said, huh? What? I'm looking at her. I said, what? So mind you, I'm sitting there like, wait, this isn't real. Like, the one time I tried to speak up for myself and actually say it very nicely, you know, you don't have to speak to me like that. And I get called a bitch. I was, like, in shock. And from that point on, she just went off. Who the f do you think you are? You know, all of this. She went in on me, okay? And, you know, none of the housewife in me kicked in. I literally was, like, in shock. I was just sitting there, like. So I started to say, I said, you can't do this. Like, why are you talking? I said, people are watching. You can't just be talking to me like this. You know, I wanted people to turn around and see what was going on. Anyway, it just, she just went crazy. Anyway, the. Not security, but the stewardess came over and they were like, okay, we have to remove her, you know, so they put her in a chair behind me. They moved her seat. When they moved her seat, she was really upset about that. And it was just this whole big thing about nothing for nothing. I almost thought, did someone send this person? And that's pretty much what it was. And I got off the plane and I gave my little, you know, what happened to the police officer. And the next day.

[Jeff Lewis]

Police officer, yeah.

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, yeah. You cannot have some hyper. So anyway, by the end of it, I talked to them and it was pretty much done. Like, it was like, case closed really quickly. It wasn't like a thing.

[Guest or Co-host]

I think she didn't like Andy singing. She was like, turn that shit off.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, yeah, I understand.

[Porsha Williams]

I don't know. I don't know if it was just. I have no excuse, actually, but I just wanted to go to sleep. I just wanted to just watch my little flight take a nap.

[Jeff Lewis]

They kept her on the plane? They didn't remove her?

[Porsha Williams]

No, no. We both, you know, walked off freely. It was fine. Yeah, it was a lot. Wow.

[Jeff Lewis]

I witnessed an altercation on an airline where this guy was just a nasty racist and went off on someone and they weren't gonna remove him. And the guy had immediately calmed down and was being as polite. But I had witnessed what he'd spoke, what he said, the things he said and how he said it. So when they came around, I'm like, hey, look, I just witnessed this. He said what happened was, is the guy that was the recipient of the yelling, he elected to just leave the flight. He didn't even want to be on this plane anymore. But I had said, I'm like, this guy said this, did this, and he was looking at me.

[Porsha Williams]

And you were like adamant about saying what happened.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah, he got his house banned from Delta.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, then I said, look, the pilot came by and I said, look, I just witnessed this whole altercation. I said, if this guy acts up again in the air, this is on you. This is your responsibility at this point.

[Porsha Williams]

Okay, call to action.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then it took. We delayed the flight like 30 minutes. And they had taken him off, they spoke to him. Then he came back on the flight and we still. He remained on the flight, but the other guy got off the flight.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah. Some people can't handle that little, that little cocktail I told you about that we take in the airplane in the airport. Some people can't handle it.

[Guest or Co-host]

Us fun drunks should have our own plane.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah, exactly. Let's do if you're going to Vegas. If you're going to. To Vegas. I think people are probably mad coming back from Vegas, but headed to Vegas, it's such a fun flight. Everybody's like, ready to go party.

[Jeff Lewis]

We need to take a break. We probably should talk about Real Housewives of Atlanta at one point.

[Porsha Williams]

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[Jeff Lewis]

we are traders for fans. Sorry.

[Guest or Co-host]

Massive.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was very disappointed that you left in the second episode.

[Porsha Williams]

I know, Me too. I really was. I had a lot of cute outfits to show y'. All.

[Guest or Co-host]

That's what I was so upset about.

[Jeff Lewis]

Literally. Kean was saying that today that you probably had these. All of these incredible outfits.

[Guest or Co-host]

Think of all the suitcases and suitcases

[Porsha Williams]

of clothes on top of itself. I mean, like, that. It was bittersweet. It really was. I mean, on top of me really wanting to. To be the best faithful ever. I really wanted to wear my outfits. Like, I had moments. I knew there was gonna be a ball area, you know, a big dinner. I knew there were gonna be these big events and I just. I was just so upset. And then I traveled so far, you know. But it's just. I really just feel like I probably overextended myself a bit much as a faithful. I wanted to be the faithful of faithfuls. Like, I wanted to really lead the charge and lead the pack and like be aggressive and the traitor, you know, the number one. It just.

[Jeff Lewis]

But Portia, do you make the same money?

[Porsha Williams]

For what?

[Jeff Lewis]

So you get the same money if you're there for one episode or 10

[Porsha Williams]

episodes, you know, I don't know. I was just there for the love of it. You know what I mean?

[Jeff Lewis]

I would be there for the paycheck.

[Guest or Co-host]

Brittany Haynes told us that there's certain, like, steps, like, if you make it to the top 10 or the top five.

[Porsha Williams]

But I don't. I don't know what's true for everybody, but I don't think that's true.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, if I could just get the same check. I don't care.

[Guest or Co-host]

No, I think that's the best case for you is just to go for, like, two EPs and be like.

[Jeff Lewis]

Or two hours, 20th place.

[Porsha Williams]

So here's the thing. A lot of the game shows, you do get your check. You know what I mean? You know, you get your check, you can make more, maybe for charity. Like, when I did Celebrity Apprentice, you get your check, then you make more money for your celebrity, for your charity charity or whatever. But when I did Traitors, I really wasn't a big fan of it before, but when I found out, I watched every episode, and I became obsessed. Like, me and my daughter and my niece Bailey, we were watching it nonstop. So when I got there, I was fully invested. I mean, you really. When I got banished, I actually felt like I was never gonna see anybody again. I had to go live on a. On a hill by myself. Like, it becomes really real to you while you're there. And Alan really puts the stakes there. Like, it's like, are you gonna get murdered? Are you this? Are you that? And even though I have just met these people and I don't know them from a camp, you feel like you trust them. You know what I mean? And then for me, I was. I'm a housewife, so there are other housewives there, so I felt like I could trust the housewives. So you really get wrapped into it, and it's not just a game. It becomes real as hell.

[Jeff Lewis]

We were talking a little bit at the break about how you are kind of the perfect example of how to handle things when. If you are let go or put on pause or fired. I mean, you were initially. You were on season five and six of Real Housewives of Atlanta. You became a friend of on season seven, but then you were a main cast member again, seasons eight through 13. You then were put on pause for 14 and 15. Now, who was put on pause? Right?

[Porsha Williams]

No, I was not. No.

[Jeff Lewis]

What happened?

[Porsha Williams]

No, I wasn't put on pause. No. I spent half of the season, I was a housewife, and then the other half of the season I wasn't a housewife, but no, I was never put on pause. I've always been full time and to just kind of, you know, pat my back. Even on a half semi pause, I still was the number one storyline. I was the only one that they talked about that entire season anyway. So, no, I've never been on pause like that.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, never. So even in 14 and 15, you were still. You still appeared?

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, 100%.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, and I know somebody got more

[Porsha Williams]

screen time than anyone else. Yeah, 100%. So when I turned 40, I decided that I was gonna retire. I said, you know what? I wanna live in retirement. Real life. I want to give myself a break from the cameras. And, you know, I had my daughter at that point. And so I knew that I. That was going to be my last season for me at that moment. I knew that already. And so then I took what Andy says, it's just a break. You know, he was not taking my, you know, letter of resignation at all. He was like, it's just a break, girl.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, so this was truly your decision.

[Porsha Williams]

Oh, 100.

[Jeff Lewis]

I did not know that.

[Guest or Co-host]

Everybody says they want to focus on because they all.

[Jeff Lewis]

Everybody. So you just assume they're all lying.

[Porsha Williams]

So here's the thing. I know I'm not lying because I actually prepared my finances to do so. I was very intentional with my finances to make sure that I'm covered, you know, and make sure that my future is secure with or without Housewives. Check. So for me, it was a very intentional choice to spend time with my daughter, which was good. Those three years were great.

[Jeff Lewis]

So were you on Dish Nation then?

[Porsha Williams]

So I was on Dish Nation for eight years, yeah. And right before then, no, I left Dish Nation around the. Like right after I left Housewives, I also left Dish Nation.

[Jeff Lewis]

But then also you just did Traitors. And then what other shows have you done?

[Porsha Williams]

So I did Chat Room. So I did Chat Room with Giselle Bryant. And I also did Stars on Mars. Stars on Mars. I got really far on Stars on Mars and I've done, you know, I probably can't even sit here and remember all the shows.

[Jeff Lewis]

If you had this intention to take time off, then what brought you back?

[Porsha Williams]

So what brought me back was I did Ultimate Girls Trip Thailand. I don't know if. So it was me, Giselle, it was some of the Salt Lake City girls. It was Candace Dillard, some of the New York girls. And, you know, for me, I've done Atlanta, which is a different type of production, and with those girls is a different type of energy and ultimate girls trip was just very free spirited. It really was. Like I didn't feel like anybody came in with any type of motive. I didn't feel, like overly pressured to do drama. And I felt like when I was talking to the producers, it was very collaborative, you know, like, oh, this is what we should do today and we will talk about it and that's what will happen. So when I talk back with Bravo, because of course I checked in each year or they checked in with me or you know how that goes. I talked about imagining a relationship with that was more collaborative. You know, if I come back, can I break that fourth wall? You know, can I really just 100% be myself? If I have to have a conversation with someone and I want to wait to have the conversation, can I do that? If I want to live my. If I want this to be what I want do to, can I show that? And they were all for it. They really were. So when I came back, I felt more able to be exactly who I am at this moment.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you ever feel. Cause I, you know, I watch all the housewives shows and I personally, I can't control my anger. Right. I have issues controlling my anger. So what I do is I try not to put myself in situations where people trigger me. Yeah, how you do that, I don't know how you can put yourself in this situation and be as calm and cool and collected as you are. I don't know how you do it.

[Porsha Williams]

So it's not a boring skill. Right. Because we're born with all these emotions. We're born to feel angry, we're born to feel excited, you know, sad, et cetera. And we can show those in different ways, physically or by lashing out or whatever. Over time, I learned and through some counseling that that's just an emotion, but the power that I have is in how I control that emotion. So even if you look at, let's say, last year's reunion of Housewives, you know, I was. That was very hard for me. That was very difficult for me to go through that reunion and talk about things that angered me, things that upset me, deal with certain situations that I would want to lash out about. But I felt more power on that reunion by holding my space and using my words and communicating and like really being. Being understood. So it may take me longer to say what I want to say, the more upset I am, But I'm going to be able to do that in a space of control. And that way I keep my power and I give it to the person who's trying to take it from me. So honestly, this season, listen, on Housewives, there is some moments where it goes up and down, but that's just my voice. I control my environment.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you feel. I know that I do. Do you feel a responsibility when you have have this little child that's kind of looking up at you and emulating your behavior? We have a responsibility. Right. Does that come across your mind when you're in a situation? It sounds like on the Delta Airlines flight, sounds like you handled yourself very well, where your daughter would be proud of how you handled it. Now we could have handled things differently. Yeah, right. And I'm just curious, does that, does that come to mind? Like, oh, I have this little girl that is emulating everything I do.

[Porsha Williams]

So when you're in the moment of being upset. No, I'm not thinking about Pilar. I'm actually thinking about whoever that is that is trying to take me somewhere else where I don't wanna go. So if you're sitting here and you're arguing with me and you're trying to take me to a place where we have a screaming match and I know I don't wanna have one, then I don't do it. When I think about Pilar, it's over. All of my life, it's over my whole journey. I've been on the show for 10 plus years. She's gon and see all of that. So what I would like her to get from that is to show that mommy has growth. Mommy has gotten to a place to where she deals with certain situations. When it's in front of her, she grows from them. I've been through tough things. I've learned from them. If she can watch me live my life and be resilient and still come out and be a very loving, kind, fun person, that's all I want for her because that's real life at the end of the day. Like, she's not gonna just live her life and everything's gonna be hunky dory no matter if I was a smart. So she's gonna go through stuff and I like the fact that she's gonna see mommy deal with rough times and how I handle them in the end.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you ever get angry with yourself? Cause I know I do. Like once in a while I'll regress and I mishandle something and I get so angry with myself and just beat the shit out of myself. Do you do that?

[Porsha Williams]

You know what, do I have days where I just literally wanna scream of Course. Right. And I have days where I have mishandled even a person. It doesn't have to be a huge blow up situation. You can be talking to somebody, you may say something and you know you didn't say it right. So what I do now, I am so accountable and it helps me sleep very good. If I'm talking to someone and I have handled something wrong, I will actually call them and say, hey, you know what, I was wrong when I did this, or I was wrong when I said that, or you know what, I did this. And I, I realized it affected you in this way. And even to bring it onto Housewives because even though Housewives is about entertainment and we sensationalize the crazy moments, I've tried to be very responsible with the friendships I had this season, even old friendships. I tried to be very responsible. I tried to communicate, I tried to. If there's an issue, we deal with it right here. If it's a girl who I'm really trying to befriend. Cause you know we have new girls on the show, right?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, yes.

[Porsha Williams]

So. So I'm trying to befriend them, but I don't want to go through the same bullshit that I've been through with other friendships. So I'm like, listen, this is how I friend. I'm very honest. If you have an issue with me, please tell me. You know I'm here to support you. If you ever feel I'm not supporting you, please tell me. I never want to be in a situation with someone where they're not getting from me what they need and I'm not getting from them and we're just having a fake friendship.

[Jeff Lewis]

What about in a situation in this? We see this a lot in Housewives where someone is just completely, completely unaccountable 24, 7. You can't break. You can't get through to them.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

What do you do at that point? What do you do? I mean, for me, like in real life, you can't have a relationship with someone like that. You just can't.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah. You know, there is someone on the show and it's not, it's not my ex best friend, but there is someone else on the show where I just realized, you know what? This girl, she just doesn't want to know me. She doesn't want to relate to me. And once you realize that, then you just say, okay, that's cool. I mean, thank God this season has 10 plus women on the show. There's other women to be friends with. There's other women to kick it with. So me, at the end of the day, I really did not want this season to be dark. You know, we have had dark seasons. So even though me and this particular girl don't get along, I don't like her. She probably don't like me or whatever that is. If there's a moment to keke and she's sitting next to me and she says something funny, am I gonna laugh? Yeah, I go in and damn laugh. If I say something funny, does she laugh? She laughs too. So, you know, it's kind of like an up and down. I really tried to just be diplomatic and just be more and communicate better with the girls. And like I said, even if it's somebody I didn't like, I still just enjoyed the moment as much as I could. I really did.

[Jeff Lewis]

So Real Housewives of Atlanta airs. When does it air?

[Porsha Williams]

It airs this Sunday. This April 5th. The premiere on Bravo.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. And then the next day, you can stream it on Peacock.

[Porsha Williams]

Exactly.

[Jeff Lewis]

I do want to ask you about the opening party in episode one. You were with a very handsome, very tall man.

[Porsha Williams]

Yes, he was tall.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then what happened to him? Did you see him after that? Did you go out with him afterwards? I know that you had a previous. Didn't you date him previously? Like nine months prior?

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah. Well, I don't know. Let's get away from timelines here and shout out to my sister Lauren, who is the last. Give us the timeline. I was like, oh, I'mma get you for that. I'mma get you, because I'm horrible with timeline. So it probably was wrong. But anyway, yeah, we had dated prior a long time ago. And, yeah, he is on the rest of the season. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, he is.

[Porsha Williams]

Yeah. Yeah, you will see him.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, how many episodes is like 18, 20, something like that?

[Porsha Williams]

Depends on how they edit it. I don't know. You mean how many of the housewives this season?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I was. How many episodes now? There are a lot of housewives, and there's two. It's two new ones, right? We have Pinky Cole, and then. Is it K. Michelle. But we call her Puddin.

[Porsha Williams]

Puddin? Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, they're characters, those two.

[Porsha Williams]

They really are. I mean. And you know what I like about them? Unlike if you can look at the past of us having new housewives come on the show, they were already established, honey. And I love that because they don't come in hot, they don't come in thirsty. They come in wanting you to get to know them. And so I really like that about them. And like you said. Yes. They do both have very big personalities and they're both very different.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now, who was the woman that walked in and she had a virtual date, which was so weird. There was somebody.

[Porsha Williams]

That's Drew. Drew Sidore.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. That was so odd. And what guy would do that?

[Guest or Co-host]

She was on FaceTime for three hours.

[Jeff Lewis]

For three hours at a dinner.

[Porsha Williams]

And it might have been a little longer than three hours. Yeah. And he kept the same smile the whole time. Like it? I don't.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, it looks cute.

[Porsha Williams]

I just thought it was on pause, you know, until he blamed, like. Yeah. Was he AI. No. Yeah. He was dedicated.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you have someone that is always leaving you waiting?

[Porsha Williams]

Who, me? Leave me waiting?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, like of all the house, the housewives, your cast members, I mean, we're

[Porsha Williams]

still talking about Drew, right? Yes. So Drew, Drew, Drew. Drew said that she has time blindness and we really worked with her this season on it and I think by the end of the season she was much better. Ok. Yeah. And I want to say she said it was like an actual dialogue diagnosis. So then we, you know, had patience with her. But yeah, a diagnosis like an illness of some kind, an affliction, actual disorder of blind. Of time blindness.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, come on. Yeah.

[Porsha Williams]

I'm not lying. For real now.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was happy to see Cynthia Bailey back.

[Guest or Co-host]

We love Cynthia.

[Jeff Lewis]

We love her.

[Porsha Williams]

Don't you love Cynthia Bailey?

[Jeff Lewis]

She's a regular on this show. We love her.

[Porsha Williams]

She's such a bad.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis live every weekday on SiriusXM as well as the Jeff Lewis channel exclusively on the SiriusXM app.

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