Raven-Symoné & Miranda Pearman-Maday: Gay Dogs & Gift Etiquette

Summary

Podcast Summary: Jeff Lewis Has Issues

Episode: Raven-Symoné & Miranda Pearman-Maday: Gay Dogs & Gift Etiquette
Release Date: July 4, 2025
Host: SiriusXM
Guests: Raven-Symoné, Miranda Pearman-Maday, Mayday, Shane Douglas

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1. Introduction to the Episode

The episode kicks off with Jeff Lewis and Raven-Symoné welcoming guests Miranda Pearman-Maday and Mayday. The primary topics for discussion include gift etiquette, the quirky topic of whether dogs can be "gay," and sleep routines within relationships.

2. Anniversary Gift Etiquette

Public vs. Private Expressions of Love

Raven-Symoné initiates the conversation by expressing her disdain for overly sentimental social media posts:

Raven-Symoné [00:19]: "I am very, very against any sort of sappy posts where people profess their love on Instagram."

Jeff Lewis shares a similar sentiment but acknowledges the obligation to support his wife’s preferences:

Jeff Lewis [03:09]: "My wife wants something sentimental on social media, so I'm learning to navigate that."

Miranda Pearman-Maday emphasizes the importance of authenticity over performative gestures:

Mayday [03:19]: "But I am cleaner, simple, from the heart. Very much so."

Unique Expressions of Love

Jeff’s wife opts for unconventional expressions of love, which Raven admires for their authenticity:

Raven-Symoné [02:13]: "She wrote five years. So much love, fun, and gratitude. What a life we have. I think it's so perfect."

However, Jeff struggles with balancing his personal discomfort with public expressions:

Jeff Lewis [02:50]: "I feel like being that it makes her feel good and she likes to see a social post. I feel like I have to ham it up for her a little bit more."

3. Relationship Communication and Dynamics

Differing Love Languages

The discussion delves into the differing love languages between Raven and her partner. Mayday shares her preference for tangible gifts selected through collaborative lists, contrasting with Raven’s more spontaneous approach:

Mayday [08:17]: "I want to give you a list with, like, five things on it."

Raven critiques the performative nature of such lists, advocating for more personalized expressions:

Raven-Symoné [08:18]: "I don't like it. Raven wants to give you what she wants to give you."

Navigating Public Expectations

Miranda discusses the challenges of being a public couple and managing external expectations:

Mayday [04:31]: "I don't need a paragraph or an essay. I don't."

Raven emphasizes the importance of monetary gestures being practical and useful:

Raven-Symoné [11:04]: "I spend a couple hundred bucks on a gift for me. I want to make sure it is something that I use all the time."

4. Dog Discussions: Are Toby and Boby "Gay"?

Toby's Behavior

A humorous segment explores whether Toby, Raven's dog, exhibits behaviors that could be interpreted as "gay." Shane Douglas argues for Toby's affectionate nature:

Shane Douglas [19:08]: "He's really gay."

Raven counters, suggesting Toby is simply protective:

Raven-Symoné [19:35]: "I think he's protective of Bob."

Mayday’s Dog, Quinn

Mayday introduces Quinn, her Yorkie, who displays mounting behaviors:

Mayday [21:00]: "Quinn... is fully mounting a three-legged chocolate lab."

The guests humorously debate Quinn's orientation, ultimately embracing the playful characterization:

Mayday [21:34]: "He's a twink top."

5. Listener Stories: Blocked Driveways and Neighborhood Conflicts

Raven’s Experience with a Range Rover

Raven shares a personal story about a Range Rover blocking her driveway, leading to frustration and police involvement:

Raven-Symoné [24:56]: "Someone dropped it right in front of my house and blocked half my driveway."

Mayday's Encounter with a Honda

Contrastingly, Mayday recounts an incident with a Honda driver who unnecessarily blocked their driveway out of spite:

Mayday [23:30]: "They park up the street. She was like, I'm so sorry."

Both stories highlight the challenges of neighborhood parking etiquette, with Raven's experience being more severe.

6. Housewife Hacks: Financial Maneuvering

Miranda’s Strategies

Miranda Pearman-Maday provides ingenious tips for subtly managing finances and diverting money without her husband’s knowledge:

• Social Media Tips:

  Miranda [27:44]: "I'm selling golf club shirts... selling my house out underneath my husband's nose."

• Multiple Transaction Methods:

  Mayday [28:09]: "Cash back, gift cards, multiple debit cards... it's smart."

Raven and Mayday’s Techniques

Raven and Mayday discuss various methods to discreetly access funds:

Raven-Symoné [28:41]: "Finn8... cover expenses without raising red flags."

Mayday [29:58]: "If we need cash, we call our business manager and say, hi. Need an envelope with this amount."

Shane Douglas adds humor while highlighting the effectiveness of these hacks:

Shane Douglas [28:19]: "She's opening her AmEx app."

7. Sleep Routines and Separate Sleeping Arrangements

Challenges of Sharing a Bed

The conversation shifts to sleep habits, revealing that Jeff and his wife sleep in separate rooms to improve sleep quality:

Raven-Symoné [34:00]: "Separate pillows... pillow wall as a body pillow."

Jeff humorously describes his wife's elaborate sleep routine:

Jeff Lewis [35:05]: "She's on her back... mouth taped, nose taped up with the septum open."

Raven’s Detailed Routine

Raven details her meticulous nighttime regimen involving red light therapy and bonnet usage:

Raven-Symoné [37:21]: "Separate pillows... I use my pillow wall as a body pillow."

Mayday shares her own beauty and skincare routine before bed:

Mayday [38:35]: "Red light helmet... serums... gloves for hydration."

8. Conclusion: Emphasis on Understanding and Adaptation

The episode wraps up with a series of listener calls showcasing clever financial hacks and personal anecdotes. The overarching theme emphasizes the importance of understanding each partner’s preferences, communicating effectively, and finding practical solutions to everyday challenges.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Raven-Symoné [00:19]: "I have learned from my mistakes and that's what I want to teach people. Don't do what I have done."

• Jeff Lewis [02:50]: "I feel like being that it makes her feel good and she likes to see a social post."

• Mayday [03:19]: "I am cleaner, simple, from the heart. Very much so."

• Raven-Symoné [08:18]: "I don't like it. Raven wants to give you what she wants to give you."

• Miranda Pearman-Maday [27:44]: "I'm selling golf club shirts... selling my house out underneath my husband's nose."

• Shane Douglas [19:08]: "He's really gay."

• Jeff Lewis [35:05]: "She's on her back... mouth taped, nose taped up with the septum open."

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This episode of Jeff Lewis Has Issues offers a candid and humorous exploration of personal relationships, societal expectations, and the quirky dynamics that make each partnership unique. Through engaging conversations and relatable anecdotes, Raven-Symoné and her guests provide listeners with both laughs and valuable insights into navigating the complexities of love, friendship, and everyday life.

Transcript

[Jeff Lewis]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[Raven-Symoné]

I've learned from my mistakes and that's what I want to teach people. Don't do what I have done.

[Miranda Pearman]

This show.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, you guys really start some shit.

[Raven-Symoné]

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as an asshole. I just want people to do their jobs.

[Mayday]

Jeff Lewis has issues.

[Raven-Symoné]

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has Issues. In today's episode, Raven, Simone, Miranda, Mayday. Join the show. We talk about gift etiquette, gay dogs and sleep routines. I'm here with Raven, Simone, Miranda Pearman. Mayday. Right.

[Mayday]

Mayday.

[Raven-Symoné]

Mayday. Shit. Mayday. And Shane Douglas. I still can't get the names right.

[Mayday]

Miranda, Mayday.

[Raven-Symoné]

Thank you. I don't have to say pyramid anymore?

[Shane Douglas]

No, in the open you don't.

[Raven-Symoné]

Is that because we're friends now?

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay, so I don't have to say pyramid. Okay. Mayday.

[Jeff Lewis]

I love that my wife just changed her whole entire legal name on your show.

[Raven-Symoné]

Right now, Miranda May randomly. See, there needs to be a Y in there because it's M a D a Y. And that's what's confusing.

[Mayday]

It's the long A.

[Shane Douglas]

It's the long hair.

[Mayday]

A.

[Jeff Lewis]

Just flat.

[Raven-Symoné]

Now you ladies just celebrated your five year anniversary.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. We're married.

[Raven-Symoné]

Congratulations.

[Mayday]

Thank you.

[Raven-Symoné]

Now, Miranda, let's talk.

[Mayday]

Okay.

[Raven-Symoné]

Jeff, I am very, very against any sort of sappy posts where people profess their love on Instagram.

[Jeff Lewis]

Me too, Jeff.

[Raven-Symoné]

I personally would. Oh, really? Because we're talking about you. I would much rather just have you send me a te or write a card or something.

[Jeff Lewis]

I agree, Jen.

[Raven-Symoné]

Now if I ever were to ever were to do it, I probably would do something along the lines of what you did. And I just think this was so well done. She wrote five years. So much love, fun and gratitude. What a life we have. I mean, that's. I think it's so perfect. I think it's so perfect. It's not too sappy. Three times in the thirsty. Look at me. I want it. You know, I just really love. I really liked it.

[Mayday]

Thanks, Jeff.

[Raven-Symoné]

But then your wife, she's gotta one up you, she's gotta make it weird.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's my job.

[Raven-Symoné]

And she wrote, what time has given us is only measured by the love and growth we share.

[Shane Douglas]

Okay, rent.

[Raven-Symoné]

Hugs to side, eyes to kisses and snuggles to space. We have tackled monsters and celebrated the wins. 80 more to go. Ready, babe?

[Mayday]

Ew. You know, that is so funny.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, the situation is I am required to post socially about my anniversary and I normally don't like posting about stuff that's very private.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I feel like being that it makes her feel good and she likes to see a social post. I feel like I have to ham it up for her a little bit more.

[Raven-Symoné]

I don't know. Hers just. It felt to sew Yours, Miranda, just authentic, real. Yours feel like, I don't know, performative.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, it is.

[Miranda Pearman]

It is, Jeff.

[Mayday]

Raven is always performative if she's on Instagram or whatnot. But I. I am cleaner, simple, from the heart. Yeah. Yeah. Very much so.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yeah. You speak my language.

[Mayday]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Jeff Lewis]

So can you edit mine to tell me?

[Raven-Symoné]

No, we have to rewrite it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, I'll rewrite it.

[Raven-Symoné]

There's no editing.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'll do it right now. Do it right.

[Mayday]

Did you teach me?

[Raven-Symoné]

Did you do it because you felt obligated?

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

There's something that my. My wife really loves a social post on certain situations that I normally. Typically don't do or have ever done in my life. So, you know, I am like you. I'm like, if it's our anniversary or our birthday, I will just text you. I will show you love in person. But I do know that part of her love language is a post that is sentimental. So I don't have the practice of making it sound natural on the socials. I'm learning.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay. Yeah. I don't know if you guys speak the exact same language.

[Mayday]

We don't.

[Raven-Symoné]

Right. What if her post was more like yours? Would that have gone? I mean, what did you think of her post?

[Jeff Lewis]

She was so happy.

[Mayday]

I thought it was really sweet just because she did it and that. I know it takes a lot for Raven to do things like that, so I was, like, appreciative of the act. But if Raven had just posted, like, a photo of the backs of our heads and put a heart emoji as the caption, I would have been equally as pleased.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you for that.

[Mayday]

So I don't need. I don't know. Yeah, I don't need, like, a paragraph or an essay. I don't. And I think initially, I don't know. It's interesting being a public couple because people do have an expectation that you're going to be, like, represented or shown love by your person. And I think that there was an initial backlash that was received that kind of was like, oh, if Raven doesn't celebrate Miranda in this way, Raven doesn't love Miranda. And that was hard in the beginning for me to, like, wrap my mind around because I was like, oh, yeah, I guess you See, so many people who, on their partner's birthdays or their friends, they'll celebrate them in that way. But I also understand the superficial nature of that and how you're saying, like, it doesn't feel authentic. It's sappy, it's weird. It's like you're trying to prove a point. So am I making sense?

[Raven-Symoné]

Yes. But here's the thing. I don't think. Raven, you need to post something to show us that you love Miranda. We can just see the two huge diamonds right now on your hand and that gorgeous Gucci bag that you got for your anniversary.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's more of a way for me to show her love in my thought process. I don't know how to do it socially because I'm not used to it. She's my first relationship, really, that I've ever been public with. Like, I was public with one partner, like, twice in public. But this is all the time, so I don't understand it, actually. But they're like, she said there is an obligation. There's some people, especially in our. In our lesbian world. It's like, oh, my God, my queen. My. Oh, my God, she's my idol. Like, I'm like, yo, I don't care.

[Mayday]

But she. Let's also be fair and call a spade a spade. Like, you're wired differently about relationships, period. Like, Raven is not very romantic. She's not sentimental. Really. Like, no, no, you're not, though. And you.

[Jeff Lewis]

I am I to myself, but it's just.

[Mayday]

You are translated to yourself towards yourself. But you even said to me that, like, we had a conversation about this because I asked her, and she was like, you're not going to get romance from me. I was really super romantic. In a previous relationship, I had my heart really hurt, and it's shut me off, essentially. And I was like, okay, I have to accept what my partner can give. And I have found in quieter moments and in smaller gestures, I'm like, okay, that's Raven really showing up.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, like, them rocks on your pants.

[Raven-Symoné]

And that purse on your back.

[Mayday]

I. Okay, okay, you guys. I mean, yes, my. My material. Real objects are beautiful. I love them. I pick them out. I buy them.

[Jeff Lewis]

I squeeze that ass every now and then. You know, I squeeze your ass every now and then.

[Raven-Symoné]

Wait, so. So you go into Gucci. Do you say to Raven first, like, hey, how much? What's my budget? What's my anniversary budget?

[Mayday]

No, what happened for this moment actually was we went into Gucci. We went into Gucci for Raven because Raven wanted To buy a new belt.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay.

[Mayday]

And I was browsing while she was trying belts on, obviously, and I picked up a bag, and I was like, I love this. This is really cute.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yes, it is cute.

[Mayday]

Yeah. And so I went up to her, and I was like, this is an anniversary present. I'm gonna leave. And she was like, got it. I was like, I'm gonna take a walk. And like, this is a really good anniversary present. Bye. And so I left with a belt.

[Jeff Lewis]

And a bag, and we put the Gucci bag in the house. Just sitting there. I was like, I got you an anniversary present, babe.

[Mayday]

Period.

[Jeff Lewis]

Done.

[Raven-Symoné]

So you follow directions quite well.

[Jeff Lewis]

If given to me. I'm an actress. I've been acting for a really long time. So if I'm given a direction, I follow, follow.

[Raven-Symoné]

Smart. You've got her trained very well.

[Mayday]

Yeah. I mean, it. It's taken some time. Our gift thing was a big deal.

[Jeff Lewis]

She hated all my gifts at the very beginning, which is another reason I'm not very romantic all the time, because I got shut down.

[Mayday]

Well, this is how I work with gifts. I want to give you a list with, like, five things on it that I want. I don't want all five things, but I'm giving you, you know, guidelines, options. Options. And you pick one thing off the list.

[Raven-Symoné]

I don't like it.

[Mayday]

That's not good. I don't like it. Raven does not like that. Raven wants to give you what she wants to give you. Correct. So what would happen was I'd be given something that I just had no use for, and I hate dying. I'm not going to use.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, no, no. Explain the tennis necklace that I bought for you without telling you, but then you still changed it after to bigger.

[Mayday]

Because I wanted big.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yes.

[Shane Douglas]

So bigger one was on the list.

[Raven-Symoné]

If you don't follow the list, there's going to be returns.

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

And then you're gonna. Your feelings are gonna be hurt.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm gonna feel.

[Mayday]

She doesn't believe in returns.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't.

[Raven-Symoné]

That's terrible.

[Jeff Lewis]

If somebody gives me a present that I don't like, I'm gonna sit it in my house for a few years and be like, oh, I used it. Thank you so much. And then I'll give it away, because I know that, yeah, I'm that person. I grew up in a black family. That you have to be appreciative of whatever present you're given. And if you're not, you're spoiled. You're this, you're that.

[Raven-Symoné]

So it's like, yeah, that was my family.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you know what I mean? So I kind of live with that, and I'm learning how to deprogram it, because I understand that she wants something, but for me, I'm like, present giving is from the person's heart to you, not necessarily what you want all the time.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yeah. I don't understand that.

[Mayday]

One of the worst fights. One of the worst fights we ever had in our life was over four cups we were given. We just moved into a new house, as some of you know.

[Raven-Symoné]

This is one of your biggest fights ever.

[Mayday]

We moved into this house. We were given four glasses as a housewarming gift.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay.

[Mayday]

And we didn't need more cups, number one. Number two, these weren't cups that you go, oh, we want to keep them. Like, they're. You know, they were from Rolling Greens. And I was like, we can return them, and we can get something we actually really want.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yes.

[Mayday]

Oh, my gosh. The rage that this incited. No, it became. Do you remember when you ran out of the theater screaming, it was rage.

[Jeff Lewis]

That was two weeks later of the same fight.

[Mayday]

Because we were. Because I was like, we can return these cups.

[Raven-Symoné]

It's not about the cups.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's not about the cups, Jeff. It's not about the cups. It's the principle.

[Mayday]

It was the. Oh, my God. It was horrible. I was like, listen, we can go to Rolling Greens. We can pick out a candle we love or we can get some. And I feel like if you're gonna give me. I'm speaking to the general public. If you're gonna give me a housewarming gift that's. That's in my home. Don't. Just don't. Number one, Because I have an aesthetic. I have a look. I am scent particular. I'm glass particular. Just don't. Give me. Give me a card. Give me.

[Raven-Symoné]

I think we were separated neutral.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think you two were, and I think we were.

[Raven-Symoné]

I think we were separated at birth. I totally get you.

[Mayday]

I thank you. I love you. I can't with you both.

[Jeff Lewis]

I can't with you both. Somebody gave you a gift from their pocketbook, from their heart to you. You hold that.

[Mayday]

I didn't ask them to do that.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, no, no. It's not about what you ask. It's about what they provided for you.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay? And here's the thing. I appreciate how hard you work for your money. Right?

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

You spend, I don't know, a couple hundred bucks on a gift for me, I want to make sure it is something that I use all the time. Not lot. And it's like you said, I don't want it to end up in a drawer.

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

I would rather go back. And I don't want to waste your money. I want to use your money wisely and get something that I'm going to utilize daily.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, but what if they come over and they're like, oh, I'd love to use the cups. You'd be like, no, I gave it away and I bought a candle.

[Mayday]

That person is weird. Because that person.

[Raven-Symoné]

That person is weird. Where are the cups?

[Mayday]

I got you guys?

[Jeff Lewis]

You guys are weird.

[Mayday]

No, you guys are weird. I'm telling you, if you're giving somebody a gift, like, if I were, and I'm not your partner, I'm not. Whatever. I give you a gift for your house, and it's a vase, and then I come over to your home, and I'm like, raven, I'm not buying you that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Anything else. I'm not going to buy you anything else. You're not appreciative.

[Mayday]

You can clock that for your own self. But I believe when I give somebody a gift, it is a gesture of this is my heart. I want you to enjoy it, but I want you to truly enjoy it. So if I've given you something that you don't like, please return it and get something you like. So you use it.

[Raven-Symoné]

Just tell them it's at the beach house.

[Mayday]

Oh, my God. You know what?

[Jeff Lewis]

Immediately, that's it. That's exactly what we're going to do. Thank you, Jeff.

[Mayday]

Perfect.

[Raven-Symoné]

There you go.

[Mayday]

That's all we need.

[Jeff Lewis]

Fix the worst fight of our lives.

[Raven-Symoné]

Now, let me ask you this, because it wasn't last night, but the night before I walked into a trap with my daughter. And it reminded me it's not girl math, but it's like girl logic. And you know how it's one of those situations where you just can't say the right thing? It's like, whatever you say is the wrong answer. Okay, so maybe you and I are gonna bond right now.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Raven-Symoné]

So we have this thing where Monroe has been sleeping in my bed for, like, a year and a half, and now she has decided that she wants to start sleeping in her own room in her own bed. And this was on her own time, which was great, and I'm very supportive of it. But last or the week before, she had five nights in her room. And then she said, daddy, I really want to sleep in your room tonight. I said, that's fine. This does. You know, this can be whenever if you want to Do Monday with me and Tuesday with you and in your room. Whatever. So last night, all I said. No, it was Tuesday night. All I said is, hey, are you sleeping in my room tonight? And she said, why do you want me to sleep in your room?

[Jeff Lewis]

Trap. It's a trap.

[Raven-Symoné]

It's a trap, Raven. And I walked right into it.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's a trap, dude. You can't ask questions.

[Raven-Symoné]

And I'm like. And I go, well, it's up to you. Would it upset you? She goes, would it upset you? And I go, no. Why doesn't it upset you? And I'm like. And even the dog's looking at me like, you're fucked, and I can't get out of this. And it was like, whatever. I said she had some sort of counter. I'm like, no, no, no. I just. I mean, whatever you. Whatever makes you happy. Whatever you want to do. You can sleep in your room. You sleep in my room. And then I find, like, I'm stumbling with my words.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, no, you.

[Mayday]

You.

[Jeff Lewis]

You were fucked from the start.

[Raven-Symoné]

I think so, too.

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

And I was in that trap, and I could not get out of it. And it reminded me because Patty Stanger was here, and she was talking about. Have you heard of the black cat theory?

[Jeff Lewis]

No. What's up?

[Raven-Symoné]

So basically, in relationships, and I think it could be in platonic relationships or. Yeah. Or relationships, your family, kids, whatever, where you enjoy. A black cat, enjoys their time alone. They hate small talk. They're more kind of hard to get. They remain calm and collected. But then there's the golden retriever. Yeah, right. And that. That. That person is more spontaneous. They need to be challenged. They're warm. They're affectionate. They thrive in social settings. And I realized that in my relationship, I'm probably more the black cat.

[Miranda Pearman]

And.

[Raven-Symoné]

He'S the golden retriever. But when it comes to my child, I am the golden retriever completely. I am completely wrapped around her finger, and she knows it. I kind of think you're the golden retriever.

[Jeff Lewis]

Me?

[Raven-Symoné]

No.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think we're a little bit of both A black.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay.

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think we're both black cats. And then when we're in the right vibe, we're both golden retrievers. It's weird. We do switch with the dynamic depending on the feels, but I just want to go back to it when they.

[Mayday]

At.

[Jeff Lewis]

When you cannot ask if they want to do something, you have to present it like, hey, I'm here. My bed is open. Talk to you later, and then leave and let them figure it out.

[Raven-Symoné]

On their own. I know.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know what I mean. You have to present that. It's open. Be like, I'm going to bed. The door's open.

[Mayday]

Why?

[Jeff Lewis]

I just wanted to let you know that it's open. I needed air today.

[Raven-Symoné]

I know. It was.

[Jeff Lewis]

You can't even bring it up.

[Raven-Symoné]

It was an inquisition, and I could not get out of it. And it was question after question, and then I felt like, I don't know.

[Shane Douglas]

You're failing the test.

[Raven-Symoné]

I was failing. I failed the test.

[Mayday]

Yes.

[Raven-Symoné]

So, okay, so next time. What do I do next time?

[Jeff Lewis]

Next time. So, wait, here's the real question. Did you want her to be in your room, or you were genuinely just asking?

[Raven-Symoné]

Genuinely. It was fine either way. Either way. I don't care.

[Jeff Lewis]

Whatever you want doesn't matter. So you can you next time if that's the case and you're letting her know that. Be like, hey, boo boo, I'm going to sleep. Doors open, need some air. I'll keep a. Don't even say I'll keep a light on. Because you're like, why? Don't give her the sentence to make her ask why. To then step in. And if she does, why? I don't know. I just felt like telling you. Just keeping things open.

[Raven-Symoné]

Raven. After that, I'm not saying a word. I'm just going to let her lead. I'm letting her lead.

[Jeff Lewis]

Exactly.

[Raven-Symoné]

Time to go to bed. And then I'm just gonna leave it at that. And then I'm gonna let her.

[Mayday]

Yes.

[Shane Douglas]

Follow her up the stairs and see where she goes.

[Raven-Symoné]

If she goes right, she's going to her room. She goes left, she's going to my room. That's it. I don't. I'm not doing this again.

[Mayday]

It sounds like you both are trying to please the other, though. That's what it was. I feel like Monroe was afraid of disappointing you, and you were afraid of making her feel pressured in a way that she had to sleep with you. And then both of you are stumbling. So I feel like the real fix is making sure that both of you know that there is no ulterior motive or additional pressure. You're like, honey, I'm really happy that you're finding comfort in your room.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yes.

[Mayday]

You know, you can always come to me, and you don't have to worry about taking care of dad. Like, dad is good and dad can sleep on his own. Don't. Don't feel obligated in any way. And then she has the freedom to know that she can stay in her room. Come in.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, but the question then is like, why are you telling me this? That's the answer to that. Why are you telling me this?

[Mayday]

Because it's. You're having open communication with her so she can understand that if she isn't sleeping with her dad, she doesn't have to feel that responsibility of. Of taking care, being there. That's what. Something. Something you like.

[Raven-Symoné]

She got home Monday night was weird. Is I could see there was this internal struggle. Like, I know I need to sleep in my room now, but I want to sleep with Daddy. And so Monday, she did sleep in my room, but then that's why I was like, that's why I asked on Tuesday. I didn't know what we were doing. But now she's been in her room Tuesday night and Wednesday night. But I did say to her on Monday, I said, hey, has anyone been talking to you about this or telling you to sleep in your own room? She said, daddy, Gage would prefer that I sleep in my own room. And I go, okay, I understand. I said, daddy's. You know, he wants you to kind of transition into, you know, sleeping in your own bed. And, you know, I think you're gonna wanna sleep in your new room when we move, which is gonna be in August. So, you know, I unders. You know, I understand the transition, but we're gonna do this on your. On your time.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's kind.

[Raven-Symoné]

So that's where we are now. You think Toby, my dog, is gay?

[Shane Douglas]

100%. He's really gay.

[Raven-Symoné]

He's not gay.

[Shane Douglas]

He's super gay.

[Raven-Symoné]

Look, I love him the same, but he's not gay.

[Shane Douglas]

I don't know why you won't accept that. It's Pride month.

[Raven-Symoné]

Oh, my goodness gracious.

[Shane Douglas]

Happy pride to Toby.

[Raven-Symoné]

Do. He goes to Chateau Marmont every day.

[Mayday]

Oh, God. Okay, say less. He's there for me to get done.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yeah, it is kind of bougie.

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

But he's got a lot of friends there. One friend in particular, okay? And we've been getting some very good reports lately because sometimes he's a little rambunctious and he barks at other dogs. But lately he's been really good. Until yesterday.

[Shane Douglas]

Especially yesterday, he has a new friend.

[Mayday]

Okay.

[Raven-Symoné]

Boby friend.

[Mayday]

Who I wish I knew how to quit you. Get out of here.

[Shane Douglas]

Who's a beautiful red pit bull.

[Mayday]

Ooh.

[Shane Douglas]

And when I picked Toby up, the girl was like, yeah, Toby loves Boby. He follows him around. He gets jealous when Boby plays with other dogs, and he wants to give Boby kisses all Day.

[Jeff Lewis]

Gay.

[Mayday]

Gay.

[Raven-Symoné]

I don't think he's gay. I'll tell you why.

[Mayday]

Maybe they're just roommates. Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay, so I don't think he's jealous. I think he's protective of Bob.

[Mayday]

Or possessive of.

[Raven-Symoné]

And here's the thing I do believe now. You know, when I filled out the application for my insurance company, you know, I did put. Do we put retriever?

[Shane Douglas]

Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

Golden retriever.

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

But we. You know, I think if you look at him, some would say he's got some pit bull in him. Maybe that hasn't been confirmed.

[Mayday]

Okay.

[Raven-Symoné]

So pretty kind of looks like a pitbull a little bit. So I think there is some sort of connection there. I think they might be the same breed.

[Mayday]

So he's so seen himself in boby.

[Raven-Symoné]

Maybe.

[Shane Douglas]

How do you explain the kisses?

[Raven-Symoné]

I think it's just kind of a brother cousin situation.

[Jeff Lewis]

That makes a lot more sense.

[Raven-Symoné]

And Toby's affectionate. I don't think Toby is gay. I don't.

[Shane Douglas]

He has a boyfriend.

[Raven-Symoné]

It's his brother or his cousin.

[Mayday]

He's queer. He's queer.

[Shane Douglas]

He's pan.

[Jeff Lewis]

He's pan.

[Mayday]

Our dog is definitely gay.

[Raven-Symoné]

Really?

[Mayday]

Oh my God.

[Shane Douglas]

What kind of dog?

[Mayday]

Hardcore. He's a Yorkie. Okay. He went away to boarding while we were in DC like three weeks ago. And the trainer sent us video after video after video of our dog fully mounting a three legged chocolate lab.

[Raven-Symoné]

Three legged?

[Mayday]

Yep. And easy access just went to town. It was wild. Oh, there he is.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hi, Jaquin. That's Quinn.

[Mayday]

He's so cute.

[Shane Douglas]

So cute.

[Mayday]

I looked really good that day.

[Shane Douglas]

No check.

[Jeff Lewis]

He's twink.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yeah. You look hot.

[Mayday]

My chin was great. I did look good that day. My skin was in perfect.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's about. This is about.

[Mayday]

Yeah. But he's gay. And it was just video after video after video. He's alpha.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. He's a twinkle. I love that.

[Shane Douglas]

He is a twink top.

[Mayday]

He's a twink top.

[Shane Douglas]

He's adorable.

[Mayday]

It's wild. It's really wild.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, he has a gender neutral name. Quinn. And no, he's thriving. If you want to test it, we'll bring Quinn to meet Toby and we'll see who tops.

[Mayday]

It will be Quinn.

[Jeff Lewis]

It will be Quinn.

[Raven-Symoné]

Well now I think about Toby does stick his nose in people's between the cheeks.

[Jeff Lewis]

No. Humans or dogs?

[Raven-Symoné]

Humans.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, that's not normal.

[Mayday]

Oh yeah it is. That's how they smell.

[Raven-Symoné]

But he also likes vagina too.

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Shane Douglas]

Pan.

[Raven-Symoné]

Right. Annie.

[Mayday]

He loves going up the dress.

[Raven-Symoné]

He really does. Yeah. And he's aggressive about it.

[Miranda Pearman]

Very.

[Mayday]

Wow.

[Raven-Symoné]

Does he do. Okay, so for you, does he focus more on the front or the back?

[Mayday]

The front.

[Raven-Symoné]

Oh, okay.

[Mayday]

See, he could be, like, straight. Yeah, he's panned. We should get Quinn and Toby together, and then we can decide who's the golden retriever and the black cat of that relationship. And, guys, it's college for Toby, so now's the time.

[Raven-Symoné]

You're right. He's only two and a half.

[Shane Douglas]

Yeah, it's the experiment.

[Mayday]

Oh, my gosh.

[Raven-Symoné]

So that's. What is that? That's 20, right?

[Mayday]

Yeah. So it's his time.

[Raven-Symoné]

You're right. It is the college years. Thank you.

[Mayday]

Sure.

[Raven-Symoné]

I feel better. But like I said, it doesn't matter because I still love him the same.

[Jeff Lewis]

Doesn't matter.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thanks. You sound like my mom. I don't care. I still love you. Thanks for the still part of that.

[Mayday]

Siblings.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay, so you said you had a story about last time.

[Mayday]

Yes. So last time we were on the pod. Is this technically a pod or is it a radio show?

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay, here's the thing. It's a live radio show, but I think your episode ended up on the podcast also.

[Mayday]

Yeah, it did. Because people.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yeah, we were trying to exploit the both of you.

[Mayday]

I love it.

[Raven-Symoné]

Take it.

[Mayday]

Continue. Anyhow, last time we were here, you told us a story about leaving your house and somebody was blocking your driveway.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yep.

[Mayday]

And you were pissed. And I think it was a Range Rover, right?

[Raven-Symoné]

Yep.

[Mayday]

Okay, so we go home, and the next day, Raven goes to leave, and our driveway is not just a little blocked, but totally blocked.

[Raven-Symoné]

Oh, Raven's kid.

[Mayday]

Oh, my gosh. Jeff. I took photos for you specifically because I was like, if I see Jeff, I have to show him this. Because Raven went out. I filmed her on the cameras, but she went out there. She was yelling. She was honking her horn. She didn't actually have to leave, but got in the Porsche and backed it out to try and leave. Go ahead, babes.

[Jeff Lewis]

This woman. This woman, she parked in front of the driveway. I said, and I had to go back in. This other lady in our neighborhood came back. She's like, this is ridiculous, Hub. I'm like, it is. And then finally, she found. I went inside to get a note. She came back out. The woman's like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I was visiting a person up the street. Two blocks.

[Shane Douglas]

No, they park up the street.

[Jeff Lewis]

They park up the street. She was like, I'm so sorry. I said, ma', am, this is a. What are you doing?

[Mayday]

And the irony, the irony of the situation too was that there was parking all around. Meaning had she like scooted her car up, she would have actually been parked in a parking spot. But she decided to park in front of our entire driveway. It was bizarre.

[Shane Douglas]

But her reasoning makes no sense.

[Jeff Lewis]

None.

[Mayday]

She was. She wasn't.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, none. She just like, it made no sense. And. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That did happen.

[Raven-Symoné]

You know what happened at my house? That, that range, that Range Rover was stolen and someone dropped it right in front of my house and blocking half my driveway.

[Mayday]

Your story's better.

[Raven-Symoné]

And it forever. Because the police had to come and then the parking enforcement and I guess there's all these different.

[Shane Douglas]

Well, cause at first you protocol you have to do in a car stolen, they'll tow it and it's like. Yeah, like that's the thing. Fine. But then they came and then they ran the plates and they had to get the police involved and they became a whole day affair.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yep.

[Mayday]

Oh my gosh. That's way better than this Honda. That was just like being annoying. Yeah, Trump.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well done.

[Raven-Symoné]

Now we have these. So what's happening now is during the summer we have these horrible, messy jacaranda trees everywhere. And so they're dropping like not only these purple flowers, but SAP on the cars. So now no one wants to park underneath them.

[Mayday]

That's good.

[Raven-Symoné]

So. Well, so it's not good for us.

[Shane Douglas]

We'll have to park there. There's like five of us.

[Raven-Symoné]

But see, now what I've done is I went and stripped, I had the one day tree service out and I said, I want you to take off every single purple flower. And they left a few there and they had to come back. Sorry. If you want to get paid. I said, every single purple flower. They're flowerless, the trees. Now the two in front of my house, and I think they're city trees. Doesn't matter. Because they were doing damage to the car, they were doing damage to the sidewalks, to everything. And those things were flying into my yard. And then you were tracking it in the house, the whole thing. So now the two spaces in front of my home are the most valuable and really the most sought after because everybody wants to park there because your car is safe. But then you got that one person, which they take up the entire two spots and they park in the middle.

[Mayday]

Asshole.

[Raven-Symoné]

What? You're. You're such a dick. Like, just pull forward and someone else can get right behind you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Pull forward.

[Mayday]

Yeah, it's.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm gonna invest in cones. I'm gonna invest in cones that live outside of my house. I don't care what it looks like. I don't care if the city is mad, But I'm tired of people parking in front of the house. My gate is gorgeous, and you're ruining it with whatever that car is. I don't want it. And I'm putting cones.

[Raven-Symoné]

I've had the city come out and remove my cones. They say we can't do that. Do you remember the Hollywood Boulevard house? Yeah. Yeah. They kept removing my cones, and still they were.

[Shane Douglas]

But, I mean, you can.

[Raven-Symoné]

Well, I tried, but they kept removing them.

[Jeff Lewis]

What if we kept our trash cans out at all times?

[Mayday]

Ew. Yeah, I don't like that.

[Raven-Symoné]

I used to do that.

[Mayday]

No, but then people put their dog poop in.

[Raven-Symoné]

I know.

[Jeff Lewis]

And they go through it and they move them.

[Raven-Symoné]

They'll move your cans.

[Mayday]

Oh, 100% apart.

[Raven-Symoné]

We talked about that. They'll move them up, and then the trash guy comes and doesn't pick it up.

[Jeff Lewis]

I can't with these humans.

[Mayday]

I can't with humans. People just suck.

[Shane Douglas]

Just walk. Just walk.

[Mayday]

Leave your car at home, period. Start rollerblading now.

[Raven-Symoné]

I think that you were very popular on this show, Miranda, the last time you were here because you taught a lot of chumps about the housewife hack. And since then, we've had people call in and they've been telling us about their hacks.

[Shane Douglas]

The housewife shuffle.

[Raven-Symoné]

Oh, it's the housewife shuffle.

[Mayday]

I really like the chumps. I was really happy that I could help them, and I felt very well received. It was a warm welcome being here.

[Raven-Symoné]

So when you walk into Gucci without Raven. So again, to remind people the house. The housewife shuffle, in order to avoid red flags, like a large purchase, you will put it on multiple cards.

[Mayday]

Yeah. Because then it's smaller. Many smaller purchases, and it doesn't flag anything. It doesn't cause any. Any kind of stress. That's 500 here, 200 here, 300 here, 400.

[Shane Douglas]

She's opening her AmEx app.

[Raven-Symoné]

Right.

[Mayday]

So literally, it's okay, babes. Breathe. Deep breath.

[Raven-Symoné]

Other housewives have been saying that they'll go to the grocery store, they'll get cash back. They'll get cash back. And then they'll put it. You know, they'll put it away for a rainy day.

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

And then also someone was saying they buy gift cards. Yeah.

[Shane Douglas]

At the grocery store. You can activate gift cards from Nordstrom, wherever.

[Raven-Symoné]

What else can our listeners do to take money from their husbands?

[Mayday]

That's what? I remember the gift cards, and I remember the debit. I can't remember anything else.

[Raven-Symoné]

I remember the gift cards. Cash back. Yes, we did cash back.

[Mayday]

Cash track is a good one.

[Raven-Symoné]

I have a friend who probably had about 5,000 stashed away in a boot in her closet from the grocery store.

[Mayday]

Didn't one person call in and say small amounts from the ATM? 20 here, 40 there.

[Raven-Symoné]

Oh, do you do that?

[Mayday]

No, I don't. I don't. But that is.

[Raven-Symoné]

What would red. What would be a red flag to Raven? Like, could we do 300 or.

[Mayday]

No, 300 is not a red flag to Raven.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay, so what, like a thousand? No, out of the atm, but if you're going weekly. So, like, what can we get away with?

[Shane Douglas]

She'll think she's on drugs if she's going to the atm.

[Mayday]

Yeah, Raven would be so disturbed. First of all, I don't go to the atm. This is. This is what I do if we need cash.

[Jeff Lewis]

What do you do, Wife.

[Mayday]

If we need cash, which I very rarely need cash, but if I do need cash, we call our business manager and we say, hi. Need an envelope with this amount, and there's very few questions asked. Get it? Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay, but what about people that don't have business managers?

[Shane Douglas]

What about them?

[Mayday]

I don't know those people. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, I think we've given them. Yeah, I think we've given them very great tips.

[Raven-Symoné]

Atm, as a smart husband, is going to look at the frequency you're going.

[Jeff Lewis]

To the atm, period.

[Raven-Symoné]

That's why you got to do it at the grocery store. Who else will give you cash back? Well, like Target or anybody.

[Shane Douglas]

Yeah, if you use debit.

[Raven-Symoné]

Oh, okay.

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

What about Costco?

[Mayday]

CVS will give you cash back.

[Jeff Lewis]

You guys, it doesn't matter. Really, though. It really doesn't, because.

[Raven-Symoné]

No, it does matter.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, for me, my way of getting around even talking to the business manager is having the PayPal debit card that's not connected to anything. So, for instance, if you buy something or you're receiving digital cash, you put it on a separate card that's not connected to anything. My version of it is I opened my cameo for a while because I had some thoughts of what I wanted to buy, and instead of putting it into the join, I put it into my personal debit. No one's tracked. I mean, I shouldn't say this. IRS is, like, gonna be pissed at me. It's not a lot of money. I swear.

[Mayday]

I kind of do that with My TikTok. My TikTok. TikTok has become this, like, nice little nest egg where I just have money that sits and sits and sits.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then, oh, she doesn't even use it.

[Mayday]

One day I'm like, oh, I'm gonna transfer it out. And then I have X amount of money that just transfers into my PayPal.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. So start a TikTok. And then there. That's your own. Get famous.

[Mayday]

Go help my TikTok. Go help my shopping fund and watch my tiktoks.

[Raven-Symoné]

I think in the future, I would love to hear from more housewives about hacks and shuffles.

[Jeff Lewis]

My grandmother, super smart. She had one job, and it was a. She was a substitute teacher, and she would go to Chanel with only her money. My granddad didn't know how much money she would get. And she would leave the Chanel bag in the back of a car for, like, months, Months, Months. So he wouldn't see it come in. And then she would say, oh, yeah, you know, I saved up. But she never had money in her account. Cause she always would spend. But she had, like, a baby job on the side. Is that not housewifey enough?

[Raven-Symoné]

That's housewifey.

[Shane Douglas]

She's perfect. A side hustle is very housewifey.

[Jeff Lewis]

Like, give me a side hustle. Make some bark. Go to the farmer's market. Do a cute little side hustle. Go make the chow for all the kids, for the school, and just keep the money. Do something.

[Raven-Symoné]

Is it okay for to. Last night, Monroe asked if she could watch Titanic.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, wow.

[Raven-Symoné]

And I thought. And I thought, there's no cussing, right? They didn't cuss then?

[Jeff Lewis]

No.

[Raven-Symoné]

They didn't say, fuck that.

[Mayday]

She's eight. I feel like there's sags, but there's nipples.

[Jeff Lewis]

There's definitely.

[Mayday]

Oh, my gosh. Paint me like one of your French girls.

[Jeff Lewis]

But it's a beautiful. It's the type of pose that even museums.

[Mayday]

Oh, my God. I'm sorry. Still a nipple. Wait, you guys. No. You don't remember the scene in the car that stowed away in the carriage.

[Jeff Lewis]

Gets all foggy, hand comes down, and they are tasteful.

[Raven-Symoné]

I mean, it is tasteful. You can't see much.

[Jeff Lewis]

Can't see anything.

[Raven-Symoné]

But I told. I told her nanny, I said, hey, if there's anything inappropriate, you got to find fast forward it. But so I was in the kitchen, and it was the scene where Rose was at the bow of the boat and she was gonna kill herself. And I stopped, and I stopped, and I go. I remember this scene. And then in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, Jack, like, you gotta talk her out of this. Right? And then Monroe's like, jump, jump. And I go, oh, that's not what I was thinking.

[Jeff Lewis]

New generation.

[Mayday]

Yes. They're wild.

[Jeff Lewis]

Crazy.

[Raven-Symoné]

And I go, should I be worried.

[Mayday]

About her Jump Just a little bit.

[Shane Douglas]

Well, she's jumped off a yacht before and was fine, so she's probably just, you know, relating her own experience onto Rose.

[Mayday]

It's fun. That makes sense. She's projecting. She's like. And then come back inside and we'll have fruit and fancy drinks.

[Shane Douglas]

Inflate the slide, Rose.

[Mayday]

Literally. Oh, my God. Adorable. It's below deck.

[Shane Douglas]

Get all the. I want all the toys. I want the jet skis out.

[Jeff Lewis]

Exactly.

[Raven-Symoné]

Do you. Did I hear that you sleep in separate beds in separate rooms?

[Mayday]

Yeah. Didn't you hear her earlier today say, in front of your bed? I was like, there you go. About my little bench.

[Jeff Lewis]

Her sister's here for her birthday, and we're sleeping in the same bed this week, and I've actually slept better.

[Mayday]

Aw.

[Raven-Symoné]

Really?

[Jeff Lewis]

I've slept longer with her by my side.

[Raven-Symoné]

But why did you start going into separate bedrooms? Beverly d' Angelo swears by it.

[Mayday]

Yeah, I mean, if Beverly d' Angelo swears by it, we're really onto something, babe. Honestly, there were many reasons. Raven is a crazy sleeper, and she would keep me up at night. She kicks and tosses and breathes. And so that was.

[Shane Douglas]

Excuse me.

[Jeff Lewis]

Excuse me.

[Raven-Symoné]

Does she breathe loudly? Oh, okay.

[Mayday]

So that was a little hard. And for you.

[Jeff Lewis]

And she has linens that I am not comfortable in. I like a weighted blanket. I like a soft blanket. I like things every which way. And if I'm in the bed with my partner, I want you crazy Jeff. I want to hold her so tight. And she's like, bitch, you're hot.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm like, yeah. So it's just me and Quinn in the bed snuggling with each other.

[Mayday]

They can have each other. It's fine. They could be gay for each other all day long and just do their thing.

[Raven-Symoné]

So then do you guys go to bed at the same time, or you're like, I'm going to bed.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, no. We'll go to the bed around the same. We'll walk upstairs together. We'll kiss at the stairs, and then we go into our.

[Mayday]

And we're, like, cuddly before. We'll watch a show or a movie, and, like, we get our cuddles, and we have our intimate moments throughout the day. But I think at night I'm really like, I want to sleep. Don't touch me. I have a big routine. I am taping myself.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm witnessing how big this routine is.

[Raven-Symoné]

Which is gorgeous skin. I'm like, I imagine that just doesn't.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's not just the skin. It's the hair. It's the humidifier, it's the curtains. It's the way she lays in the bed with red light systems on the whole entire body. On TikTok, it's. Then take that off, do the parts. Face tape, bonnet gloves. And she's like, oh, my God, Jeff. I went into the bedroom.

[Raven-Symoné]

This is amazing.

[Jeff Lewis]

And this is what my wife looked like. I know you guys can't see it on the radio, but this is how she sleeps.

[Raven-Symoné]

Oh, so she doesn't move. She's on her back.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, she's on her. She is the perfect black old grandma trying to get her press cream. And done. Just the hand slightly rested upon the. The chin and the cheek. Eyes slightly closed, mouth taped, nose taped up with the septum open.

[Mayday]

Juice all over the.

[Raven-Symoné]

Wait, you tape up your nose? Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's crazy. Why? Exactly. Why? Who said it?

[Mayday]

No, because. Because your nose swells while you sleep, and I hate waking up with, like, a swollen nose. So if you tape it, you wake up and your nose is like.

[Raven-Symoné]

I love how vain you are. I love it.

[Mayday]

I'm extraordinarily.

[Jeff Lewis]

You guys have each other.

[Mayday]

I can'.

[Raven-Symoné]

I just. I love her more and more.

[Mayday]

I'm in the bed.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm in the bed. I'm on TikTok. My legs are spread all the way open, half naked.

[Mayday]

Maybe washed her face that day. Maybe didn't.

[Jeff Lewis]

Probably not.

[Mayday]

Maybe open. Like, I can't. Yeah. Broad daylight. Raven wants, like, bright light. I want dark, cool, calm. And I want to sleep because you need restful sleep.

[Jeff Lewis]

Till the time you sleep with your partner, obviously every night.

[Raven-Symoné]

No, no, no. He's. He lives in Dallas, so I only see him like. Like every two weeks.

[Jeff Lewis]

So what is the linen situation? Like, do you guys have separate pillows? Like, what does that look like?

[Raven-Symoné]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Raven-Symoné]

Separate pillows. I also have a little bit of a pillow wall. So even with tie, I'll start. Yeah, Sometimes. Yeah. I like a pillow wall. I like a body pillow. So I use my pillow wall as a body pillow.

[Shane Douglas]

That's what the partner's for, Correct?

[Raven-Symoné]

I know, but I get too hot. You're right. I get too hot.

[Jeff Lewis]

These two over here, I get too hot. If you weren't gay each other, you'd be with each other.

[Raven-Symoné]

I know. It'd be perfect. I would tape up my nose, too. I'd we bonnet. I would do the whole thing. What's the bonnet for?

[Mayday]

To keep my hair non. As unfrizy as possible, which is hard for me because my hair is so frizzy. But also, when you sleep, it breaks your hair. It keeps damaging and, you know, Jeff, I cannot. I can't go down that road. We're trying to keep the hair on the back of.

[Raven-Symoné]

I know. That's why we. That's why you just got Dr. Groots. Yes, exactly.

[Mayday]

I love Dr. Groots.

[Shane Douglas]

Do you have silk or no?

[Mayday]

Yes, I have silk.

[Shane Douglas]

I want to try that.

[Mayday]

I do. I believe in silk. Silk is really good.

[Jeff Lewis]

Raven people have been sleeping on silk pillows forever.

[Mayday]

Welcome.

[Raven-Symoné]

I need a bonnet. Can you get me the bonnet, please? I have a lot of breakage.

[Mayday]

Yeah, you get a bonnet. Isn't your boyfriend black?

[Raven-Symoné]

He'll love it.

[Mayday]

He'll be so into this. Yeah, I was into it too.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, it's cute and has, like. Like a little bow here.

[Shane Douglas]

It's gonna be all over you.

[Mayday]

So good on you, Jeff. Hilarious. Oh, my God.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay, so I'm sorry, just. So you're taping your nose, then you're wearing the bonnet.

[Mayday]

Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay. And then you're doing all sorts of, like, skin regiments.

[Mayday]

Yeah, I do my red light. It depends.

[Jeff Lewis]

She does her red light helmet before she goes upstairs. She does that while we're watching Thousand Pound Rubies.

[Mayday]

She's telling you all the tea I have. Oh, look at the bonnets.

[Jeff Lewis]

Look at the bonnets.

[Raven-Symoné]

Oh, wow.

[Mayday]

Jeff is, like, changing so many different.

[Raven-Symoné]

So many different colors.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's so many. And just a cute little bow.

[Shane Douglas]

She's beautiful.

[Mayday]

Mine is pink and black. Black, pink and black silk.

[Jeff Lewis]

Black, pink, pink.

[Mayday]

Yeah. I have a red light helmet, and then I do a neck red light and a face red light mask. And then I have my creams and lotions. I have, like. I use Rezeron. I use a lot of my serums. I'm not sponsored.

[Jeff Lewis]

Babe, stop.

[Raven-Symoné]

And then what are you doing for your hands? Are you wearing gloves?

[Mayday]

Sometimes I do gloves. I'll do oil or Vaseline. You have to keep your hands and your cuticles hydrated. I mean, this is good stuff, you guys. And your feet, heels. Like, you need. You gotta do it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yo, go to sleep. Just go to sleep. Wake up and do that shit. Just go to sleep.

[Mayday]

No, it's better at night. And then you just don't move. I Mean, it's a lot. It's a lot.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yeah, but, you know, I mean, she has gorgeous skin.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's gorgeous. I'm very happy with the way my wife looks. I can't hate on it. That's why I moved into a different room, because I can't take it.

[Raven-Symoné]

Sarah in Illinois line too. She has a way of figuring out if Toby's game.

[Mayday]

Hello.

[Raven-Symoné]

Hi, Sarah.

[Miranda Pearman]

Hello. How are you? Shout out. Shane.

[Raven-Symoné]

All right. So you have a way of figuring out if Toby's gay or not.

[Miranda Pearman]

Really? About the gay man. I do have theories, though, that why he's following that other dog around.

[Raven-Symoné]

Bobby.

[Miranda Pearman]

So that dog is new to the daycare, right?

[Raven-Symoné]

I don't know if Bobby's new. I don't know. I'll find out. Sarah, why?

[Miranda Pearman]

Oh, because it's kind of like kids. Like, you have that toy. It's kind of like rank that I was here first. Maybe I thought Boby was new to the date.

[Raven-Symoné]

But, Sarah, Toby is not aggressive with Boby. He's very affectionate with Boby.

[Shane Douglas]

He's kind of gay with Boby.

[Miranda Pearman]

Exactly. Look, that's the thing, don't you. He's trying to figure them out.

[Raven-Symoné]

Oh, so Toby's trying to find out if Boby's gay.

[Shane Douglas]

He's like, I'm not. But if you are, that's okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

Let's see what's up.

[Raven-Symoné]

Okay. That's an interesting theory. Thank you, Sarah. Appreciate it. It looks like we have a lot of people on the line who have suggestions for housewife hacks, one of which it looks like lying to Gabriel Hanson. Hello. Good. How do we take money from Chris Hansen?

[Miranda Pearman]

Okay. Here. Here. He's. So I set up Chris's tic tac account and his cameo account.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yes.

[Miranda Pearman]

And the money goes directly into my account.

[Raven-Symoné]

Does he ask about it at all?

[Miranda Pearman]

Not. Not really. I mean, he'll. He'll say, you know, I'm doing well with those. I'm like, yeah, you're doing great. He doesn't really know.

[Mayday]

That's clever.

[Raven-Symoné]

Wow.

[Miranda Pearman]

I'm like, keep. Keep it. Keep at it, babe. You know, keep it going.

[Raven-Symoné]

Now, Gabriel, will you use the money, like, to buy groceries or something? Like, will you do something? Maybe a shared expense?

[Miranda Pearman]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's only for what goes on. Be.

[Raven-Symoné]

That's very funny.

[Miranda Pearman]

You know, I always say I don't. I don't care about how I look for myself. I do it to look good for him. So that costs.

[Raven-Symoné]

You know, it does cost me money.

[Jeff Lewis]

To reframe it.

[Mayday]

That's so smart.

[Miranda Pearman]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

And thank you.

[Mayday]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Raven-Symoné]

Love you. Thanks for calling.

[Miranda Pearman]

Wait, wait, hold on. Raven, my kids grew up watching you. Super duper fan. And. Yeah, I just. I can't. We are such huge fans.

[Jeff Lewis]

I appreciate you. Thank you so much. Tell your husband I said hi.

[Miranda Pearman]

Love.

[Raven-Symoné]

Yeah, please come back soon.

[Miranda Pearman]

All right. Love you guys. We'll be back soon. We will. All right. Bye.

[Raven-Symoné]

Bye. Okay, so let's take line five. Ashley in San Francisco. Hi, Ashley. I've got about three minutes.

[Miranda Pearman]

Hi. So what I do is I always cover expenses, like when I go out to dinner for my friends, or I volunteer to buy the class gift for everybody and I take a big expense and then I have everybody Venmo me. And then I put the Venmo balance in my personal bank account and I'll tell my husband, like, oh, I got a really generous gift for the bus driver. Oh, I treated people to dinner, so he just thinks I'm generous. But. But really, I'm getting my. My source of my. I call it my Sushi Gucci money. So that's how I do it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, my God, I love it.

[Mayday]

So smart.

[Raven-Symoné]

Sushi Gucci. Thank you, Ashley Gucci. Wow. Okay, Carrie in California. Do I have time for another housewife hack? Hi, Carrie. I've got two minutes.

[Miranda Pearman]

Okay, I'm going to try. You got it. Really fast. Okay. Most people don't know that the average house In America has 300,000 items in it. I am literally selling my house out underneath my husband's nose and he has no idea what's going on. I'm selling golf club shirts.

[Jeff Lewis]

And is it only his things or yours, too?

[Miranda Pearman]

No. Well, most of it. But I stuff as well, too. But it's amazing how much money you can make. It's amazing. And then door number two, if you want a great hat, go buy something at one of the big stores and then take it back and forget the receipt. They'll give you cash back. And then when he asks, what was it? You just say, oh, that was a gift for a shower. Or this or that. That's another lucrative way of doing it.

[Raven-Symoné]

So, Kerry, wow, you've got the system down. How long you been married?

[Miranda Pearman]

32 years. Speaking of which, only 25% of the country actually sleeps with their spouse. And trust me when I tell you, after 32 years, you need to move in separate beds or you'll choke the shit out of him in the middle of the night. Because.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm gonna need you to write a book for 35 years.

[Raven-Symoné]

Love you, Carrie. Call again.

[Shane Douglas]

Craigslist Queen.

[Raven-Symoné]

Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis Live every weekday on SiriusXM, as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel, exclusively on the SiriusXM. Applied.