Salt-N-Pepa & Phaedra Parks: Push It & Call Center

Summary

Podcast Summary: Jeff Lewis Has Issues

Episode: Salt-N-Pepa & Phaedra Parks: Push It & Call Center

Date: August 5, 2026
Host: Jeff Lewis
Guests: Salt-N-Pepa, Phaedra Parks

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Overview

In this lively episode, Jeff Lewis brings together cultural icons Salt-N-Pepa and reality TV star/lawyer Phaedra Parks for a conversation that's equal parts nostalgia, inside scoop, and unfiltered fun. The group dives into topics ranging from Salt-N-Pepa's music legacy and behind-the-scenes industry stories, to Real Housewives drama, legal battles, and the chaos—and comedy—of their personal lives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Phaedra Parks' Closet Confessions (01:22–04:12)

• Jeff probes Phaedra's famously fabulous wardrobe.
  • Phaedra explains, "I've got five closets... three big walk-ins and one little tiny one, you know." (02:35)
  • Details on custom spaces: a shoe closet with a beauty parlor, an 800 sq. ft. bathroom with a large closet, and a refrigerated fur vault.
• Faux Fur vs. Real Fur:
  • Phaedra throws shade on faux: "People don't realize like faux fur is good in theory, but it's more of a pollutant than real fur." (04:12)
  • Jeff: "Faux fur is shit. My daughter has a few... They smell weird. They feel weird. It just feels cheap." (04:22)

Real Housewives of Atlanta Reflections (04:33–11:06)

• Jeff admits he's been binging RHOA because of Phaedra and Cynthia's return.
• Discussion on friendship drama between Shamia and Portia, the intensity of on-screen conflicts, and how housewives handle what in real life would be unforgivable.
  • Memorable Phaedra confessional: "My answer would be no, not name the uncle." (08:22)
• Dynamics of the Cast:
  • Angela and her husband: "He's kind of a lovable asshole." — Jeff (06:27)
  • K. Michelle's first season—Phaedra: "She just...spices up our group, but she's a loose cannon. I love it." (09:40)
• Cast Annoyances and Formulas:
  • Shane admits Kelly gets on his nerves: "She's the loudest, smallest person I've ever met." (08:48)
• Why viewers love Housewives: "People were like, wow, I would love to be an asshole like that, but I can't." — Jameson (11:25)
• Resolution fatigue and authenticity: "Sometimes the resolution part gets tired because it feels inauthentic. It feels insincere." — Jeff (10:51)

Staff Banter: TMJ, Travel, and Relationships (12:01–17:36)

• TMJ jokes as an occupational hazard of working for Jeff.
  • Jeff: "Does everybody work for me have TMJ?" (13:37)
• Jameson's Spain trip with boyfriend Frank:
  • Jokes about Speedos, 9-inch rumors at a baby shower, and wild vacation plans: "He looks great... He's packing, baby." — Phaedra (14:48)
• Jeff playfully grills Jameson about his boyfriend, the Gay Men's Chorus, and prepping for Spanish adventure.

Phaedra’s Legal Drama with Kelly (18:03–20:45)

• Jeff raises RHOA storyline about Phaedra’s pro bono legal work for Kelly.
  • Phaedra clarified: "I won the case... We won the motion. Children can be seen on television. We won the child support." (18:59)
  • On Kelly’s post-win complaints: "People are just ungrateful." (19:32)
  • Underlying drama possibly connected to a rumor involving Portia and a “preacher man,” who was Phaedra’s client.

Salt-N-Pepa Join: Iconic Stories & Music Industry Real Talk (21:00–50:00)

Salt’s Late Arrival, LA Traffic, and Tour Life (21:00–23:43)

• Salt was late due to "two accidents and construction...118 and Highland" (21:37)
• Playful banter between Salt, Pepa, and the co-hosts.

The "Push It" Phenomenon & Industry Luck (23:44–27:36)

• Jeff recounts how ‘Push It’ became a hit by chance: "A San Francisco DJ flipped the album to side B... and played Push It. It became a phenomenon." (24:23)
• Salt-N-Pepa: “It wasn’t even the single we were promoting. It was Tramp.” (24:41)
• Pepa: "We didn’t even like the song. Still don’t." (24:47)
• Wild fact: "They started breeding sharks at an aquarium with music therapy... Push It made them breed." — Salt (25:42)

The Reality of the Modern Music Business (26:27–27:36)

• Salt: “Where do you make your money? Concerts, touring, and merch… record companies hardly paying you... streaming platforms, barely paying you, like, cents on the dollar.” (26:44)
• “At a certain age, you don’t want to be touring... but you should be able to depend on your streaming, your royalties... it’s just not like that.” (27:21)

The Rigors of Touring (27:58–28:37)

• 34 shows in about nine weeks. “It’s a mind thing. It’s lock and load.” — Salt (28:07)

Group Dynamics, Prayer, and Staying Together (36:16–38:10)

• All groups have their drama: “Y’all girl groups seem to always break up. How have y’all managed to stay together so long?” — Phaedra (38:22)
• Salt-N-Pepa: “Oh, we’ve broken up.” (38:27)
• On harmony: “We have Monday morning prayer on Zoom with TLC, En Vogue... it created a real great harmony.” — Salt (36:49)

Early Days: Community College and Sears (39:00–44:42)

• Both attended community college, worked at Sears in “the call center” with Martin Lawrence and Kid N Play.
• Pepa recalls iconic hair accident leading to the trademark asymmetrical bob:
  • “She put the perm in...went to the sink, and the whole side of my head was gone.” (45:16)
• Kid N Play helped design their original costumes; Dapper Dan constructed their jackets.

Names, Auditions, and Formation (41:49–42:08)

• Original group name: Super Nature.
• “There was another Spinderella..." (41:49) She left, Spinderella as we know her joined.
• Passion from the start: “First time I got on the mic, I was like... we gonna do this thing.” — Salt (42:15)

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Cameos, and Legacies (47:24–50:07)

• Inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame "late last year." (47:30)
  • “What took them so long?” — Jeff (47:30)
  • “We got everything kind of late, according to you guys.” — Salt (47:44)
• Jeff receives a custom “Push It” birthday voice note from Pepa (49:51).
• Money-making tips: Cameo videos—Phaedra: “I do cameos. Well, it’s like 200 for my basic happy birthday.” (49:46)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• "Faux fur is good in theory, but it's more of a pollutant than real fur."
  — Phaedra Parks (04:12)

• "We didn't even like 'Push It.' Still don’t..."
  — Pepa (24:49)

• "They were trying to breed sharks at an aquarium... Push It made them breed."
  — Salt (25:42)

• "If our friends did to us what Housewives do to each other, it would be over."
  — Jeff Lewis (10:46)

• "You a holding nine over there. Okay, double homicide."
  — Phaedra, teasing Jameson about his famous '9 inch’ comment (15:50)

• "We have Monday morning prayer on Zoom... It created a real great harmony."
  — Salt, on keeping peace among touring divas (36:49)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Phaedra’s Closet and Fur Vault – 01:22–04:12
• RHOA Discussion & Housewives Banter – 04:33–11:06
• Jameson’s Vacation & Speedo Story – 12:01–17:36
• Phaedra’s Legal Win for Kelly – 18:03–20:45
• Salt-N-Pepa Join, Traffic & Tour Stories – 21:00–23:43
• ‘Push It’ Became a Hit by Chance – 24:23–25:52
• Music Business Realities – 26:44–27:36
• Group Prayer & Harmony on Tour – 36:16–38:10
• Early Hustle at Sears with Future Stars – 42:10–44:42
• Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and Voice Note – 47:24–49:51
• Cameo Money Tips – 49:44–50:07

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Notable Guest Anecdotes

• Early Work Ethic: Jeff and the group muse about the “grind” young artists had—working at Sears, going to school, and performing on weekends.
• Iconic Hair by Accident: Pepa’s asymmetrical bob began from a chemical mishap, which became a style signature.
• Martin Lawrence at Sears: Worked the telephones, trying his jokes out in the call center (with little audience appreciation at the time).
• Prayer Unites Divas: Weekly group prayer sessions with TLC and En Vogue helped address conflicts before they could ruin their tour.
• Industry Realities: Salt-N-Pepa are candid about the lack of fair royalties for classic artists and the need to tour well into their veteran years.

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Final Notes

This episode offers a unique blend of reality TV drama, 80s–90s nostalgia, and genuinely funny, honest conversation. Salt-N-Pepa and Phaedra Parks bring both glamorous anecdotes and candid truths about fame, music, and friendship—delivered in the signature, no-holds-barred style only possible on "Jeff Lewis Has Issues."

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[C]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[A]

This is our love language. We terrorize each other. You're the villain. You're now the villain. Yeah, same girl. But that's kind of the deal. You come on here, you get made fun of, right?

[C]

Uh, yeah. Jeff Lewis has issues.

[A]

Hey, it's Jeff Lewis and I have issues. In today's episode, Salt N Pepa and Phaedra Parks join the show. We talk about faux fur shark playlists and call centers. Good morning, Phaedra.

[B]

Good morning.

[A]

We are waiting for Salt and Peppa. They are over in Sway's studio live right now. Apparently Salt was like an hour late so they were supposed to. So she was supposed to be in Sway's studio from what, 7:30 to 8:30, something like that?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And so she, we just saw her, she just arrived. But Peppa has been there the whole

[D]

time holding down the fort. Really? Holding down bochecas? Yeah, holding down the fort it up.

[A]

I mean that's late.

[B]

Ooh, that's CP time. Colored folks time.

[A]

Phaedra Parks, I don't think I've ever seen you in the same outfit.

[B]

And you won't.

[A]

What are you doing with all these clothes? Where do you store them? How many closets do you have? Do you resell?

[B]

You know what? Okay, so I've been the same size since like 10th grade, so I keep a lot of stuff. But I've got five closets.

[A]

Five, like five big walk in closets,

[B]

like three big walk ins and one little tiny one, you know.

[E]

Have you converted bedrooms into closets?

[B]

Oh God, no. No, Closets are closets. Bedrooms are for sleeping.

[A]

So are the guest room closets you've taken over?

[B]

No. Okay, so I have. I made half a floor in my house, my master bedroom.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So it's probably about 2,000 square feet, if not 2,500. And so I've got a shoe closet, all shoes, with a beauty parlor inside of it with a wash bowl and all that stuff. And a bathroom for the people who come to wash my hair. And then you walk into a bathroom. My bathroom's probably about 800 square feet. And so it's got a large closet that's like a walk in closet. And then in my bedroom, I have a fur vault for all of my furs. Refrigerated, it's cooled. It's not, I guess you would call it. Yeah, it's chilled and it's all wood and it smells so good, like cedar. It's just perfect. And then beside that, I have another closet for luggage and things I don't want people to see.

[A]

There's a place in New York where we bought a vintage fur for my daughter and then we had it tailored. What was the name of that place?

[E]

Madison Avenue Fur.

[A]

Have you heard of that?

[D]

I have.

[A]

Margaret Joseph's turned us onto it.

[B]

Ooh, I love Margaret.

[A]

And what's nice about it is that you know, they, you know, they're vintage furs. So. And there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of coats and vests and jackets. In fact, my sister in law got a full length mink there as well. You've never been there or do you not want, do you want brand new? Would you do vintage?

[B]

Oh, I do it all. I love fur and you know, and people don't realize like faux fur is good in theory, but it's more of a pollutant than real fur.

[A]

Faux fur is shit. My daughter has a few of them. They smell weird. They feel weird. It just feels cheap. I'm not into it.

[B]

I'll agree with that.

[A]

I've been watching Real Housewives of Atlanta

[B]

because don't you love it?

[A]

Because of you and Cynthia. So I checked back in. I have just started episode 16 last night, which is like the Halloween one.

[B]

Bum rum Halloween party.

[A]

Yes, I'm looking forward to it.

[B]

Oh, it's so good. But what have you thought about the season?

[A]

Okay, you have to remember I checked out for a while and then I started checking in when the OGs came back. So you were coming back? Cynthia was back, I. Portia. I heard. You know, I thought Nene was coming back. I was excited about that too. So I checked back in. I am still trying to catch up with all the seasons that I missed.

[B]

No, you don't need to. Well, because you've got these new ladies, so it's a new thing.

[A]

I didn't understand that the Shamia, Portia relationship until now. I'm kind of getting it. After 15 episode 15, I'm realizing how truly, like, close they were and how Shamia was. I mean, she's wrecked by this. Yeah, she's wrecked by this friendship ending.

[B]

Well, I mean, long friendship. Been friends since they were children. You know, there was a break in the friendship because of some things, and they got back together and she's obviously been on the show as a friend for, I think, well over a decade.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So it's interesting to see that now she's a peach holder. You know, the relationship has totally went awry.

[A]

I mean, she did go low in Scotland. When you start bringing up people's mamas. Mamas. I thought, oh, God, this is not gonna go well.

[D]

Yeah, this is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I mean, I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying it. I think Angela's so funny.

[B]

Angela is hilarious.

[A]

But you know who's even funnier? Her husband.

[B]

Oh, my God, he's so crazy.

[A]

I like him.

[B]

He is so crazy.

[A]

He's trouble.

[B]

He is trouble. But I love it because he's just like this jerk.

[A]

I know, but he's kind of a lovable masculine. He's kind of a lovable asshole.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I like him. I'm enjoying. Are you watching it?

[E]

I am. I'm a couple behind you. I just. I was watching Scotland last night, but it was crazy.

[B]

I see.

[E]

Going after each other's mom, like, I just can't imagine now, like, you know, Shamia and Portia, they have to call their moms and, like, this is gonna happen. This is gonna come out.

[B]

But it's sad because no one wants to hear about what your mama was doing.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

But also, it almost gets to. Well, it is where there's a point of no return.

[B]

And I think they're.

[A]

At that point, we've all had those friendships that ended and then somebody just goes too far. Usually me. Usually goes too far. Where it's just. It's over. It's over. You can't ever recover.

[B]

Yeah. And I think they. After the Scotland thing, I think it's point of no return.

[A]

Yeah, it seems like it.

[B]

Throw it away.

[A]

How many episodes are there?

[B]

We've got 17 episodes. So next week Is the finale.

[A]

That's it?

[B]

That's it.

[A]

And then you'll do a three part reunion probably, right?

[B]

I hope so. We've already shot it. We shot it in New York, you know, about a month ago now. Almost a month.

[A]

There's something about that Angela that I like.

[E]

They're all like, hilarious.

[A]

Like, yeah, she's funny. And Portia's obviously hysterical. What's great about Portia is she doesn't know she's funny. You know what I mean? Like, she's one of those that she's just like. She's just being herself a character. You too? I mean, you're very shady. Well, you know, and I very. I.

[B]

Somebody's gotta do it.

[A]

I pay attention to what you say because you're kind of soft spoken. And these, like, they come out of nowhere. So I have to make sure, like when you. When your mouth opens, I have to make sure that I'm really listening because it's usually kind of quiet and under your breath almost.

[E]

The best line in the season was in your confessional when you were talking about how Portia accused Shamia's mom was sleeping with the uncle. And you were like, yeah, My answer would be no, not name the uncle.

[B]

Which uncle?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'm like, which uncle? How can that be the response? Which uncle? Like, it's a possibility. The answer would be no.

[A]

Now, are you annoyed by any of the girls? Shane, does anybody annoy you?

[E]

I mean, Kelly gets on my nerves a little bit.

[D]

Same.

[A]

I wanted you to say it. I wanted you to say it.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

You're the bad guy. You're the bad guy.

[E]

I'll say it. I mean, well, she's. She's annoying. I mean, she is, but I guess it's part of the formula, you could say.

[B]

Well, I mean, all personalities matter, so, you know, you've got to have a little bit of everything. And she brings. She's a little tiny tot and she brings a lot of love, a lot of loudness. She's the loudest, smallest person I've ever met.

[A]

Do you like Drew?

[B]

She has to be heard.

[E]

Drew is like, I mean, yes. She's so self important that I could get how it's like annoying, but it's also like, I mean, when she showed up to the audition, it was like, oh, no, I'm not.

[B]

I'm here to support.

[E]

I mean, that was.

[F]

That.

[E]

That was a season. A season highlight for me.

[B]

I loved it.

[A]

So for me, who's just checked into season 17, Drew's not bringing a lot for Me, you're not as much as. As, say, the other girls, so. But again, I don't know what she's been like in past seasons. Yeah, no, I do like K. Michelle.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[E]

Michelle. She.

[B]

I love K. Michelle so much. So cute and country and just. I mean, she just. I think she spices up our group, but she's just like. I mean, she's a loose cannon. I love it. She's gonna say what she wants to say, and she's gonna mean it.

[A]

Is it her first season?

[B]

It's her first season, yes.

[A]

Cause it feels like people get resigned to the way it is on these housewife shows. And she's like, no way. No way. I don't accept this. This is not how we should treat each other.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

I kind of like. She is kind of a voice of reason, really.

[B]

I don't know about the voice of reason. I think that would be me.

[A]

But you have been doing this so long that you've just accepted the way it is. Right. Where she's coming in as a newcomer.

[F]

No.

[B]

Yes. She's definitely calling this shit out. She's calling it out. Yeah, she's definitely calling out.

[A]

Because we become a little jaded, definitely, about how things are and how things should go. And also in real life, you know, there's conflict and resolution. Right. But in real life, if our friends did to us what Housewives do to each other, it would be over.

[D]

Over.

[A]

It would be over. You would never look back.

[B]

You would never look back.

[A]

So that's why this. You know, sometimes the resolution part gets. It gets tired because it feels inauthentic. It feels insincere. Oh, you want to come back for season 18? You gotta make up with this person or that person.

[D]

This is what I think is the appeal of Housewives in general. I think people watch it and they think, ugh, I would love to say that to my girlfriend or this and that, but I could never. Because there's no coming back from it. But there's some kind of, like, catharsis.

[E]

This is very telling of Jameson. That's the appeal to Housewives for him. He wants to tell you off the way that Portia tells off Shamia.

[D]

I think similarly, it was. What made you popular on Bravo is people were like, wow, I would love to be an asshole like that, but I can't, because there's like, yeah, because

[B]

I need my job.

[D]

Yes.

[E]

There's social norms.

[A]

So you would love to be an

[D]

asshole like me, but you would love to be able to, like, actually say, and there's some kind of appeal or, like, catharsis that happens from that, I think a healing. You're healing people, Jeff.

[A]

Do you ever go home, you get in that Prius and you're not the Prius show?

[D]

Yeah, I love it.

[E]

It's a beautiful, brand new piece. All black.

[D]

It's all blacked out. It's great. Moonroof. It's. It's great.

[A]

I'm with you. I'm not a Prius fan.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

But it is a nice car.

[D]

It's great for me.

[A]

It is a nice car. And you should have seen what he had before.

[D]

2005 Hyundai Elantra. So we had a major upgrade.

[B]

You need to pay him some money.

[D]

Amen.

[B]

This man is broke. Give him a raise.

[A]

Well, that's. I mean, he's been doing well now, so he bought himself the new Prius. Now the question is, are you gripping that steering wheel, screaming just about to. Because you really swallow a lot.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

There's little cracks in the windshield, literally.

[B]

And for you, not swallowing, but yeah,

[A]

you must just, like. It must just rage inside you.

[D]

You know, I work pretty autonomously. For the rest of the day. I'm just at my desk in my own thoughts, so it's a lot of clenching. That's how I ended up filling up my teeth.

[B]

And this is tmj. Oh, my God. I knew it.

[D]

I just got my new retainers last night, actually.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Do you really wear them? Because.

[D]

Every single night. But they're also. I'm a clencher, so the thought of just, like, clenching my teeth and not having some kind of protection.

[A]

So he has. And tmj, he's so wound up. You've got to let it out.

[D]

Well, listen, everything is an asset and a liability, so, like, it helps.

[A]

What's the asset?

[D]

Helps to be organized. I'm very organized.

[B]

Okay. I like it.

[A]

Hard worker.

[B]

I love it.

[D]

Struggling personality.

[A]

You don't need TMJ and ibs.

[D]

I know, so.

[A]

Oh, so you have tmj too, for sure.

[E]

Well, yeah.

[A]

Does everybody work for me have tmj?

[E]

I can only open this up.

[B]

That common problem.

[D]

Yeah. That's a common denominator.

[A]

I wonder. I mean, obviously don't sue me, but I wonder if there's some sort of, like, SiriusXM kind of medical claim.

[D]

I actually went through my insurance to have my jaw checked out. So, I mean, I went.

[E]

You did?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Wow.

[D]

And they were like, nah. So then they sent me to acupuncture, and it just didn't really help.

[A]

Maybe you should hire an attorney.

[D]

No, I'm good. Thank you. I'm okay.

[C]

No, no, no, I'm okay.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

Some sort of disability. Now he is going on vacation.

[B]

Ooh, where are you going?

[D]

I'm going to Barcelona in Siches, which is a little gay beach town.

[B]

Are you in a relationship?

[D]

Yes, I'm in a long term relationship and my boyfriend's turning 40, so we're going to celebrate.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Time to get nasty.

[A]

Oh, they will.

[D]

Spanish nasty.

[A]

I hope with each.

[D]

Well, yes, definitely with each other. We have our Speedos packed. He leaves how many? I only have one. He's got a few.

[A]

Yeah, we know. We've seen them all.

[D]

He leaves the red one. But I don't leave till next Friday. I'm meeting him there. He's got a whole thing before.

[A]

Why don't you show pictures of your boyfriend in a Speedos? He loves to post himself in a Speedo.

[D]

He looks great.

[B]

He's packing, baby. He looks great.

[D]

Yeah, he looks great. So we're going to be gallivanting around Spain. Not next week, the week after.

[B]

Ooh, that's gonna be so fun.

[A]

So you leave. Oh, my.

[B]

Oh, you got you a black man. That thing is banging. Why am I zooming in on his crotch? I ain't zooming into it.

[D]

Oh, he's a good guy. He's a great guy.

[B]

I see why.

[D]

Yeah, he's a. He's a good one.

[C]

Oui.

[B]

Okay, let me see you in your Speedo.

[D]

Oh, I don't know if we have that one available. Sorry.

[A]

Oh, we're gonna to play nine inch nympho today.

[D]

I guess so.

[B]

Ooh, nine inch nympho.

[A]

When did he tell. So tell Phaedra what he said.

[E]

So our friend Ryan Bailey's baby shower.

[A]

Baby shower granted. Classy event. Daytime.

[E]

It was daytime. Open bar. We were all drinking, having a good time. Jameson let it slip that he has allegedly a 9 inch penis.

[D]

It was a joke. I was being silly.

[E]

And then he denied saying it for months.

[B]

You a holding nine over there. Okay, double homicide. Yeah.

[C]

Pow, pow.

[D]

I was being silly and cheeky. I never get to drink at our events because they're always on a school night and this was a Saturday. It was an afternoon.

[E]

He kept saying, I'm on vacation.

[D]

I was on vacation.

[A]

I just don't know if a baby shower is a place to get drunk and talk about your penis.

[D]

We talk about prior quote. How do you think babies are made?

[B]

Okay, well, that adds something to that.

[A]

How many Speedos does Frank have?

[D]

He's packed three or Four. Oh, wow. Yeah.

[A]

So he's gonna live in those things?

[D]

Probably. I mean, we're going on a boat.

[B]

You are?

[D]

Yeah. Just her for the day.

[E]

Do you get seasick?

[A]

Like a rowboat?

[D]

No. A catamaran?

[B]

No. You go in a yacht?

[A]

I mean, with your budget. No, no. It's not even a catamaran. It's a raftamaran.

[B]

But there's a row, row, row you boat.

[D]

You know, it's a big group of us. There's 20.20ish people going. So it's gonna be a lot of us in Spain.

[E]

And is this a lot of people from the chorus competition or is this friends going all kinds of celebration.

[D]

It's. It's a mix of everything.

[B]

So who's in chorus?

[A]

Frank is fit. Does he work? Does he go to the gym?

[D]

Yeah, he works out every day.

[B]

He is fine as well.

[A]

He doesn't have any body fat.

[D]

He's been working really, really hard.

[A]

I bet. Well, he's gonna be alone for a week.

[B]

I know. You're not worried?

[D]

He's part of the Gay Men's Chorus and it's World Gay Pride.

[A]

They all each other.

[D]

So they're all going on a trip before that.

[B]

Taste it.

[D]

But by coincidence. By coincidence. His birthday's right after that, so that's why we're tagging Spain.

[B]

Got you. Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense.

[D]

So he'll be with a group of gays. Big group of gays.

[A]

But for his birthday, you will be there with him.

[D]

Yes. In Barcelona.

[A]

Okay, good.

[D]

On his actual birthday.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

Gotta make sure that I'll miss you guys so much.

[B]

Will you?

[D]

I'll be listening.

[C]

No, you won't.

[B]

No, you won't.

[D]

I'll scrub through.

[A]

I want to make sure you're gone

[D]

Friday, the following month, all the way that next Monday. I know, but Oscar's gonna be great. Jared's gonna be here. It's gonna be.

[A]

Oh, if Jared's here, you're gonna be in great hands.

[C]

I'll take great care of you. Take great care of you.

[B]

That sounds very sincere and I love it.

[A]

So I wanted to ask you because, Kelly, your castmate said that during when I was watching season 17, it looks like you were helping her pro bono with her divorce. Yes, yes, with her divorce. And now she's coming out and saying that you never put in the work.

[B]

Well, I won the case.

[E]

First of all, what was the case that you were.

[B]

So it was the child support and the right to show the children on television. So first, it started off as Very. You know, it didn't seem like it was gonna be much work, but the opposing counsel started papering me to death. Motions, motions, motions, motions. So it really expanded. So December 22nd, we had an eight hour trial.

[E]

Whoa.

[B]

Yeah. Like three days before Christmas.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And you represented her?

[B]

I did.

[A]

For free?

[B]

For free.

[E]

And that's a lot of prep time, too. That's hours and hours. Eight hours plus the eight hours.

[A]

So you won your motion?

[B]

We won the motion. Children can be seen on television. We won the child support. You know, he went to jail, unfortunately, until he purged the child support amount.

[E]

Wow.

[B]

So, yeah, so she definitely got her money, and she's able to show those children on television, her daughters.

[E]

So what is she saying now? It sounds like a win, win or a win for her.

[B]

Well, you know.

[A]

Yeah. What's she unhappy about?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

You know, so you got. So you won the motion for child support and you won the motion to have the children appear on tv.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So what is the problem?

[B]

I don't know. People are just ungrateful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, but, you know, were there

[A]

other issues that she wanted you to tackle that you were like, look, you need to start paying me?

[B]

No, that was it. That was definitely it. I mean, everything she needed, I got it done. So I was somewhat. It sort of broke my heart that she would say, like, oh, I might. Would have changed my mind. But I think it really stems from her thinking that I was. Had some involvement with the. Portia, you know, saying that she slept with the preacher man.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Because the preacher.

[A]

Have we talked about that yet?

[B]

The preacher man is my client. Well, he's not really a preacher man. He's more on the singing side of the business gospel.

[A]

So there's some sort of rumor that she had an affair.

[B]

Portia said she slept with a man of the cloth, and she denied it. And so that's been like this running thing. And so the person that they're alleging it is. He's my client, and so I know him. So Portia's like, phaedra knows him. He's our client. And I think that's what really made her very upset.

[A]

She thinks you're involved.

[E]

Good morning.

[B]

I don't even think she thinks I'm involved. I think she was afraid that I might say the person's name, which. I would never do that.

[A]

All right, so we will. I guess we'll pick a. Salt and pepper here.

[E]

Yes.

[B]

Salt, salt, salt, salt and pepper. Salt, salt, salt and pepper. That's my favorite part. Oh, Peppa. Peppa is giving pep.

[C]

Pep.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Smell good. What are you wearing?

[C]

You're so cute. Hello.

[A]

Good morning. So we'll pick this up second hour. Phaedra. Ladies, welcome, welcome. Salt, you gotta tell us what happened this morning that you were so late.

[C]

Life, seriously, until you.

[A]

I mean, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, but an hour late.

[C]

You ever heard that saying, don't start none, won't be none.

[A]

Where were you staying? Palm Springs.

[C]

No, it was. It was two accidents and construction.

[A]

Okay, what freeways?

[C]

118 and Highland.

[A]

Are you staying out in Porter Ranch?

[C]

Where are you staying in Simi Valley.

[A]

Simi Valley. Okay.

[C]

I'm not gonna say, like, exactly where.

[A]

Ave stalkers. Yes, honey, they watch. I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do. Welcome, ladies.

[F]

Yeah, good.

[C]

Hey, girl.

[A]

This is very exciting for me and for Jameson. Jameson dressed up as you two for Halloween, but he did not do a very good job.

[D]

My boyfriend and I were Salt and Pepper. He's black, so he was Pepper.

[A]

That's Jack.

[C]

Oh, I thought it was the actual condiments. The seasoning. Exactly.

[D]

You had them thinking, oh, my gosh,

[A]

that is so cute. Oh, I thought it was just a half ass costume.

[C]

That's a good way of not having gold S and P shirt.

[F]

I'm laughing at.

[A]

How was Sway this morning?

[F]

It was good. It was fun.

[A]

So you had. You had to pick up all the slack because.

[B]

Come on, man.

[C]

What the hell happened right now?

[A]

Salt was on Highland and the one in traffic.

[B]

In traffic.

[F]

Okay.

[A]

You're familiar with la, though, right?

[C]

I've been here like five years and I'm still.

[A]

Are you living here now?

[C]

Yeah. GPS for me is like, I was thinking that today. I was like, I should learn These freeways I'm just so dependent on.

[A]

Especially if you're, you know, if you're promoting your tour, you might. Yeah, you know, I could say if you're promoting yourself, you might want to. You know, you might want to.

[C]

You like zooming in on me? What's happening right now?

[A]

No, Pepper, you. You were on time. So are you staying nearby or.

[C]

All right, I'm leaving.

[B]

Don't le.

[F]

Y' all want pepper?

[C]

No,

[A]

You can have. All right, I'll let it go. I let it go. I'm a big fan of you ladies. I grew up with your music. You could ask me my favorite song in my entire, like, adult life, kid, everything was Push it.

[B]

Ooh.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I was interesting. It was interesting because our producers did a little research and I started reading and I had no idea there's A lot of like luck and chance and circumstance and opportunities that came to you ladies. That it was kind of amazing. Right place, right time. And then you were a little fearless about doing all of these things. And you know, with Push It, I was shocked to hear that there was a San Francisco DJ that was playing your album and he flipped it over to side B and. Cause he happened to personally like this song, Push it. No one else was playing it.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

And he flipped it over to the other side. He played Push it. It became a phenomenon.

[C]

Pale or nothing. And everybody started playing it.

[F]

And it wasn't the single to get

[C]

your songs on the radio. That song just took over.

[F]

And that wasn't even the single we were promoting.

[B]

It was Tramp.

[F]

It was Tramp.

[C]

Yeah. It was a B side.

[F]

It was a B side. And then they flipped it and.

[C]

And we didn't even like the song.

[B]

You didn't like Push It?

[A]

Are you serious?

[F]

No, it was still don't. It's

[B]

bank account like.

[F]

No, it's a lot to it because of the era. The time too when we were, you know, rap music at that time and you know, they used always say, like pop music, you know, we just call it sellouts in pop because our music, we crossing over. We're going to Europe, we're going everywhere. So at that time, it's so street. And so I thought when that song came on, I said, they gonna get us now.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[F]

Cuz this is not hard core, you know. Yeah.

[C]

We were doing songs like I take your man, ramp my mic, sound nice. And then Push it was like, that's different. But you know, here's a funny Push it story. People have so many push it stories and I could tell a million of them. But one of them is that they were trying to breed sharks at an aquarium. They were giving them music therapy because they were not responding. And guess what? They started breeding too.

[B]

That was instructions. You gotta push.

[F]

And there was other songs. They wouldn't do it, but Push it.

[A]

That's the shark playlist.

[F]

Yeah, it was the playlist.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

Well, do you realize I was thinking about it this morning, that Push it is played at every wedding reception, every graduation party, every birthday party. I mean, it's just every club. I remember in the 80s when I was growing up and I would drive down to Tijuana because I had like in my fake id. Every club.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

You and Taylor Dane. She comes. She comes on the show a lot. She's great. Do you know Taylor?

[F]

Yes.

[A]

So you have. I'm curious about the music business now versus then. Right. I'm assuming now, and you tell me, because I'm really clueless to this, but is it. Where do you make your money? Is it concerts, is it touring? Is it merch?

[C]

Is it concert touring and merch. You got it. You hit the nail on the head.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And then gaming platforms don't pay. We're still in a fight with UMG for our masters. We're going on like three years now. And so it's kind of like they went from hardly paying record companies hardly paying you to streaming platforms, barely paying you, like, cents on the dollar. So artists depend on merchant touring. That's it. Any way that they can promote their merchandise and their concerts for sure. Which is sad because at a certain age, like, you don't want to be touring. You know what I mean? We're not at that age yet because we're going out on the it's iconic tour.

[D]

Uh huh.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

But if we live long enough, it's gonna be a day that we're gonna be like, I wouldn't do this no more. Exactly. You know, and you should be able to depend on your. Your streaming, your royalties, your music to support you. But it's just not like that.

[A]

Well, you guys, I mean, you're hitting it hard for two months. I can't even believe the amount of shows you're about to do. So. August, 10 shows, September, 17 shows. October. Have you guys counted this? October, seven shows. You're doing 34 shows in about nine weeks.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

How are you gonna. I mean, I hope you're taking your peptides and your. I mean, what do you. Seriously, you know what?

[C]

It's a mind thing. It's lock and load. It's like when you get pregnant, you know, you got just go into this, go.

[F]

What we got to do every day. This is the routine.

[C]

Yeah. And we have a lot of support around us. Our team is amazing. And me and Pep are in such a new space. Like, I feel like we're going to have a lot more fun on the road and the audience, like, just being nostalgic, like just taking it back. Like, we're not performing for you guys. We're like hanging out with you guys

[B]

and thinking, y' all better do a song now. Nobody wants to hang out. We won't even rap.

[A]

Okay, so you're touring with tlc, TLC and En Vogue. And so will you guys all be traveling together or. No, you have different.

[F]

Every one of us have our own bus.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Wait, do you two have your own Bus?

[C]

Yeah, we have our own bus.

[A]

You share a bus?

[F]

No, we have our own bus.

[A]

You each have your own buses. That's rich.

[C]

Very rich. These are buses.

[B]

Two bosses. Okay. So will Spinderella be on the tour?

[F]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah, we've been doing a lot of stuff together. We just did the Macy's fourth of July performance. Yeah, Salt and pepper's hot, man.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

Doing all the things, winning all the awards.

[F]

Only when someone says, eh, I just want to take a little break. That's the only time.

[C]

And that would be me. Yeah, I just came off a three year hiatus. Wow.

[A]

Three years. You needed that much time.

[B]

And that's a break. That's a soul. A serious one, too.

[C]

But you know when you saturate the market like, you. It's like.

[F]

Don't you, Keith?

[C]

No, but it's true, though. Okay, See, it's true. There's a lot of artists that saturate the market. Right? And like, when you take a break, it's like it rejuvenates and resets your touring.

[B]

Do you think it takes three years, though?

[A]

I don't think you ever needed that kind of break. I mean, you guys have like eight to ten major hits. Don't you have five albums? Yeah, I mean.

[F]

Oh, be quiet. I said answer. Quite a yes. No, but it's great now. Better.

[A]

Would you ever grow? Do you ever do private events?

[C]

Oh, yeah, Private event.

[A]

Like parties.

[C]

Those are our favorite.

[F]

Those are our favorites. Corporate checks.

[A]

You get paid. Well, you show up. You do. Well, what do you do? A set of like three songs and you're out.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

And it. Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so y' all are the pioneers of female rap, but with the huge surge of women rappers. Who are you listening to? Who's your favorite?

[C]

I'm still an old school child.

[B]

Well, who is it that you're listening to?

[F]

Oh, my gosh. It's just a variety. I just think, you know the mix.

[B]

Ooh. They just.

[A]

You don't want to promote anybody else.

[B]

This is late and selfish.

[A]

They're here to promote their. It's iconic. Yes.

[C]

She's an independent artist. I listen to some. Some independent artists. So just shout out.

[B]

No Glorilla, no Meg. So do you listen to the new stuff?

[C]

Oh, I've heard.

[F]

I listen.

[C]

Yeah, I'm checked out.

[B]

No Cardi.

[C]

No, I'm checked out.

[F]

But we listen. But I'm on a spiritual journey right now.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Praise the Lord.

[A]

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[C]

Guys back backstage.

[B]

How come?

[C]

Cause the tickets are gone, honey.

[A]

I can buy my scalpers. Probably right?

[C]

Probably, yes.

[A]

I'll just pay what, 12 grand a ticket?

[C]

Look at you.

[B]

He's got it.

[A]

It's worth every penny. Now you guys are doing something amazing. Cause I asked, I'm like, hey, you know, at the break I go, do you get along with all the girls? The TLC girls, the En Vogue girls? And you said not only do you get along, tell us what you do. Is it Mondays?

[C]

Yeah, we have Monday morning prayer. When it's over, zoom together. Because you know, things can get confusing sometimes when there's a bunch of. I don't want to say. You said women said it. I said it. Phaedra said it.

[B]

You add the black to it. It's gonna be a problem.

[C]

Right. It's like we gonna bring Jesus into the mix. And it created a real great harmony. Even when we had, like, things hard things to discuss, we could get on the phone and, you know, so it worked.

[F]

Able to do that?

[C]

Yeah. And there was some controversy that we won' that we also was, you know, quelling with prayer.

[A]

And so how long is the prayer group?

[C]

Like, 30 minutes.

[B]

What time do y' all get on?

[F]

It was more than that.

[C]

We used to get on at. Well, it would go over 45, about 45 minutes. We would get on at 8. We just actually stopped it because everybody started traveling overseas.

[F]

Yeah. Just now.

[A]

Now you're rehearsing.

[C]

Now we're rehearsing.

[A]

We could use a prayer group.

[C]

Yes. I'm telling you, 100%. I know. Sorry, guys.

[A]

Oh, no problem. Sol let me be nosy like this.

[F]

I look like a friend being nosy. I'm supposed to look the way I'm like this.

[C]

I couldn't even help myself.

[A]

I said, please assure us, because I do really want to go to this concert on October 10th.

[E]

And I looked it up. It's a Saturday. You don't have Monroe. It's kind of a perfect situation.

[A]

I don't have my daughter that week, so that's perfect. However, I don't want this to be a Madonna situation where we're waiting three hours for salt.

[C]

What? Come on.

[A]

You're gonna be there, right?

[C]

I'm actually late. Okay. This was a fluke today.

[A]

Okay, so it will be on time.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

All right.

[C]

And we would never do that to our fans. Yeah, I, I, I think that's quite disrespectful. And we want to go home one time, too.

[B]

Right?

[F]

That's what it be.

[C]

We be rushing everybody.

[B]

So y' all girl groups seem to always break up. How have y' all managed to stay together so long and not have.

[C]

Oh, we've broken up.

[A]

They broke up.

[B]

But you're back.

[F]

You know, but, but that's the great part.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You got back with each other.

[F]

Yes.

[A]

In 2007. Right. Reunion. You had a reunion on VH1.

[C]

Look at you. But can I go from being angry with you to proud of you?

[A]

Why did you. Why did you break up? What happened?

[C]

Oh, let's talk about something else.

[D]

Okay.

[E]

Never mind.

[C]

So you are traitors. You are the best villain ever.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Okay, how long was the breakup? I don't want to know. Why then? How long was the breakup?

[C]

It was years and years. Controversy.

[A]

Okay, fine, fine. Can I ask you. This.

[F]

He said, fine.

[A]

When you started making money, how old were you? 20s.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What'd you start. What'd you start buying?

[C]

My first purchase was a Porsche.

[F]

Mine was a Benz.

[A]

Really? What model?

[F]

It was. Oh, it's not. 300.

[B]

Okay.

[F]

300 coupe.

[A]

Nice.

[F]

Oh, no, that's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So now, would that be second album? Would that be first album? Like, how. How did you make money then?

[C]

Probably second album making money then with shows pretty much the same thing. And royalties? You know, we. We got not good royalties, but some

[F]

royalties, you know, Percentage of little points was small.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You met at community college.

[C]

Yes, we did.

[A]

Were you in nursing school?

[B]

Ooh.

[F]

Well, it was just a community college.

[A]

What were you planning on doing?

[F]

I was gonna be a psychiatrist.

[A]

Okay. What were you gonna do?

[C]

I was gonna be a psychiatrist. And then when I got in class, I was like, I'm gonna be the best secretary that ever was.

[A]

Do you think Pep would have been a good psychiatrist?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

She's a good something.

[A]

No, you were dating someone. You were dating someone. Who? He was the one that brought you in, right? Was it Herbie? Herbie.

[F]

Yes.

[A]

So you were dating Herbie?

[F]

No, not Salt.

[A]

Oh, you were dating Herbie.

[C]

Listen, uh. Oh, okay. Me and Herbie were boyfriend and girlfriend before there was assault. It wasn't like there was a Salt and Pepper. Then I started dating Herbie.

[A]

So Salt did not sleep her way to the top?

[C]

No, absolutely.

[A]

You were already dating Herbie.

[C]

And we were working on music, and then we brought Pep in, and that is the truth. Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[F]

I auditioned for Herbie.

[E]

You did?

[F]

And I got it. Yup. He made me audition for him. Brighton Sears.

[A]

How long did you work with Herbie?

[C]

Oh, years.

[A]

How many albums did he do with you?

[C]

The first. There's four albums. Yeah. Wow.

[A]

So it's kind of a fluke. Right? So you're dating this guy, he starts producing these songs. You're on vocals. Did you produce and write also?

[C]

Not in the beginning.

[A]

No, not in the beginning. And then you came in as a vocalist as well, Like a rapper.

[F]

From the beginning, though. From the first song from the show. Stuff from the show. Stuff from the first hit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, and that's right. And that was. Your names were not Salt and it

[F]

was Super Nature,

[A]

but you had. You had. So there were lyrics in a song where you had called yourselves Salt and Pepper?

[C]

Yes.

[F]

Yes.

[A]

And people responded to that. And then you changed the name.

[C]

Yeah. Thank God, right?

[F]

That's exactly.

[A]

I love it.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Super Nature would not be sitting here right now. That Would have came and gone.

[F]

That would have. Yeah.

[A]

Now, what about DJ Spinderella? That was not the original Spinderella.

[C]

You know, if you look at the first album, there's another Spinderella. We had a guy dj, then we had another Spinderella, and then Herbie brought in this Spinderella, and she stuck.

[A]

Why did the first Spinderella not work?

[C]

She got married. Married. And she wasn't that interested. She didn't believe in us. Oh, wow.

[A]

Really? So she wasn't that passionate?

[C]

No, at the time, we were passionate.

[A]

But you knew. Did you know, like, we're gonna hit it big?

[C]

Yes.

[F]

From the first show.

[C]

Yes. First time I got on the mic, I was like. I kind of, like, got pushed through high school by the skin of my teeth. Cause I had some teenage issues I was dealing with. And then you just go, right? And so it's like, okay, I'm in college. I barely graduated from high school. I don't know what I'm doing here. And then me and Pep end up playing spades in the lunchroom. Like, I was skipping class and met this person. I was working at Sears Roebuck, and she needed a job, and I was like, come to Sears there, hire anybody.

[F]

I'm the punk rocker, too. Then. Them days.

[A]

What did you. What did you do at Sears?

[F]

Years, we were telephone solicitors. Really, like, bug you on your maintenance agreement, you know, your clients trying to

[C]

sell you working in cubicles with a quota. Like, graphs on the. On the wall. Like, you can tell, like, who was selling and how. We were always down here.

[F]

It was that embarrassing. That job was embarrassing.

[C]

So if I answer the phone, Lawrence worked there. Kid and Play worked there. Salt and pepper. And my boyfriend Herby worked there.

[A]

We all work together, all at Sears, all at Se, all at the telephone solicitation.

[F]

The light, something goes down. Martin Lawrence used to do his jokes, like, you know, entertain us.

[C]

And I didn't think he was funny. He used to sit next to me in a cubicle trying his jokes out on me.

[F]

I was like, oh, Lord, I know

[C]

she was never gonna make it.

[A]

Did he sell. Did he sell warranties?

[F]

Yes.

[C]

We all know.

[A]

Okay, so do you remember your spiel calling on.

[C]

We were talking to each other.

[F]

We have to say hello.

[A]

Do you remember it?

[C]

Hello, this is.

[B]

This is.

[C]

This is Cheryl James calling for Sears Roebuck about your washing machine. 951970 washing machine. And we want to sell you something.

[D]

You.

[F]

For two years agreement for $24.99. But if we could bundle the package.

[A]

How long did you Work there.

[C]

I want to say maybe two years or a little more. You know, here's the amazing thing about our generation, right? Like, we worked at Sears part time. We were going to college. And we also, when Salt and Pepper got moving, we were doing shows on the weekends, right? Like that hustle, that grind that you have when you're a young man, we was like, we gonna do this thing.

[F]

And I still had a college loan. They were like, you gotta quit.

[C]

You gotta quit.

[F]

Yes. I'm like, yeah, you never said you gotta quit.

[A]

You gotta quit.

[C]

Keep going to college.

[F]

Can't keep going to college. Cause you know, Jamaican, it was unheard of to quit school.

[C]

It's like, we got things. 17 jobs, you know?

[A]

Now, who started with the. I know the kind of the asymmetrical Bob. Was that you?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was the perm that went wrong.

[F]

Yeah, my sister.

[A]

So what happened?

[F]

She just got her license. And my father built, like, the salon in our basement and everything. And so she was with the official chair, everything. I'm sitting in a shroom, and I'm, like, there doing the whole night. And then she put the perm in my hair and everything. We had, like, shows, everything set up. And then I was like, it's burning, Jean. Jean is burning. And then she was, like, burning. And then I went to the sink, and then I just washed out, and the whole side of my head was gone.

[A]

Oh, it just fell out.

[C]

Fell out? Like, out, out, out.

[F]

Like, going up close.

[C]

I was like, hair, what we gonna do?

[D]

And then.

[A]

And then it became this iconic hairstyle. So you matched it?

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

Yes. I shaved it for her and put some lines in the side. And then I was like, oh, that's cute.

[A]

And then everyone was copying it.

[C]

That's it.

[A]

Is it that funny?

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

And that was it. And it was so nice. That is. And I would have never think to shave my head.

[C]

Like, then even the push it look, there's, like, such great, great history behind it. Kid play from kid. And play was. He had a store where he sold leather stuff. And he was also a designer. He designed the jackets. Dapper Dan constructed the jackets.

[B]

Oh, Dapper Dan.

[C]

We got our boots from Fava. Y' all remember Fava?

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Oh, my God, Fava. And then the kente hats was this lady in Harlem, Mary Bird. She had a little store next to the Apollo. And we were, like, out one day shopping, and we was like, ooh, cute hats, pets. And then that whole came together and.

[A]

Is it true that someone stole your. They stole your. Your basically your Outfits out of the Green room.

[F]

Yes.

[C]

In Brixton, London. Yep.

[A]

I wonder if it was ever resold, like on Poshmark or something.

[C]

Like, I was at a party one day.

[F]

She always said that.

[C]

And it was a guy that had on the salt and pepper jacket because it's in. It's indistinguishable. Is that the right word? Yeah. I'm like, that's our jacket.

[A]

I bet he paid 20 grand for it on ebay. I think I bet on it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He outbid me.

[C]

We had them remade.

[A]

Now, I want to real quick. You were inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame late last year.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Salt. Be straight with me. I thought, what took them so long?

[C]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Did you ever. Do you ever think about that? That's the first thing I thought. I'm like. I thought they were inducted 20 years ago.

[C]

A lot of people like that.

[F]

No.

[C]

Yeah, we got everything kind of late, according to you guys.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

We just be like, yay.

[A]

No, I was. I was like. I thought it already happened.

[F]

No, but it's never too late. I love it. Timing is everything.

[A]

No, look, I'm happy for you. It should have happened 25 years ago.

[C]

We appreciate you saying that a lot.

[A]

We inducted you a long time eight years ago. When we started the show, it was day one.

[E]

Oh, the song's been on since the beginning of the show.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, so there was some. There was a caller that was saying that I was stalking Salt and Pepper. That is not true. I have never stalked. Now I did. So we do have a mutual friend. They are co hosts on the show. Patrick and Paul.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

They designed your daughter's wedding dress.

[F]

They did.

[A]

Did they charge you?

[F]

No.

[A]

Good. Nothing. Not a dollar?

[F]

Nothing at all.

[D]

Great.

[F]

And that dress was.

[A]

I bet it was.

[F]

It was. Oh, they work. Is amazing.

[A]

Now, you sent me a. Because they knew what a. What a huge fan I was of you guys. Em. And they sent a. You sent me a voice note.

[C]

You probably.

[F]

Yes, I did.

[A]

You remember?

[F]

Yes, I did.

[C]

They.

[F]

I did.

[A]

Do we have it?

[F]

What's up, Jeff Lewis? It's your girl, Peppa. That's right. From Salt and Pepa. You know, your friends Paula, too, and Patrique Simpson. Love you. And since you are such a special friend, they wanted me to give you a special birthday message from them and me. Salt and Pepper's here, and we're in effect. Want you to push it, Jeff. Cooling by day, then at night working up a sweat. Come on, Jeff. Let's go show the girls that you know how to become number one in the hot body show. Now push it.

[A]

Happy birthday, baby.

[C]

Oh, my God, that's so good.

[A]

So do you do cams? Cameos?

[F]

What's up, Jeff Lewis?

[A]

Do you do cameos?

[D]

No.

[A]

I feel like you could make.

[B]

Like I make a ton of money,

[A]

a ton of money on cameos.

[B]

Oh, I do cameos. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

How much do you.

[A]

Yeah, what do you charge, honey?

[B]

Well, it's like 200 for my basic happy birthday.

[A]

I think pep could charge 250.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, but they'll come. Yeah, you'll work.

[A]

You'll do four. In an hour, you make a thousand bucks.

[B]

Oh, it only takes.

[A]

We gotta get her on cameo.

[C]

Oh, wow.

[F]

I know about it before a long time, but I know that was through the pandemics. I didn't know that.

[A]

Salt, you gotta do it too. Salt told me at the break that if I'm nice to her for the rest of the interview, which I only have one minute, then she'll take a picture with me.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

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