Tamra & Eddie Judge: Apologies & Moving Forward

Summary

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Jeff Lewis Has Issues – “Tamra & Eddie Judge: Apologies & Moving Forward”

Date: December 3, 2025
Host: Jeff Lewis
Guests: Tamra Judge, Eddie Judge
Podcast: SiriusXM

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Episode Overview

This episode of “Jeff Lewis Has Issues” brings together Jeff with Orange County Housewife Tamra Judge and her husband Eddie. The conversation centers on apologies—what makes them meaningful, why some people find it hard to say sorry, and how public figures handle the fallout from on- and off-camera drama. There’s a candid unpacking of recent Bravo-related controversies, Tamra’s enduring conflicts with fellow Housewives, her plans for moving forward, and frank talk about the pressures and pitfalls of reality TV stardom. The hosts also touch on career outside TV, business growth, and the value of genuine relationships amidst public feuds.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Nature of Apologies and Accountability

• What Counts as an Apology?
  • Jeff kicks off by contrasting those who admit fault but don’t verbalize an apology.
    • Jeff Lewis [01:29]: "It’s not good enough for me."
  • Tamra argues that admission can be enough, but Jeff presses for explicit apologies.
    • Tamra Judge [01:27]: “Isn't that good enough just to admit?”
    • Jeff Lewis [01:30]: "You need the apology."
  • Eddie brings up sincerity, while a fan/caller says she won’t apologize for things she’s not actually sorry about.
    • Fan/Caller [01:58]: “I’m very passionate about not apologizing for things I'm not apologetic for.”
  • Jeff and Tamra agree that over-apologizing or offering empty apologies devalues the real thing.

2. Clearing the Air: Jeff’s Recent Bravocon Comments & Rumors ([02:29] - [11:00])

• Tensions from BravoCon
  • Tamra brings “receipts” regarding things Jeff allegedly said about her and the Housewives (e.g., dressing “like they shop at Walmart,” her Big Bear house’s decor, joking about Monica Garcia and food stamps, comments about people in recovery at Bravo events).
  • Tamra Judge [03:01]: “Did you, Jeff Lewis, say the Orange County Housewives dress like they shop at Walmart?”
  • Jeff defends himself, admits to some snark but not those specifics, and contextualizes other remarks.
    • Jeff Lewis [03:24]: "I don’t think I mentioned any sort of store specific."
    • Jeff Lewis [06:07]: "Yes, it was snarky and maybe it was insensitive."
    • Jeff Lewis [07:06]: "I was making a joke, which was an inappropriate joke, and it didn’t land very well."
  • Tamra shares how these rumors ripple through cast and fan communities.

Notable Quote:

• Jeff Lewis [08:23]: "I was really upset that I hurt Andy and I fucked up his day and I screwed up his panel and that was what I was really most upset about."

3. The Leak Accusations & Fallout from the OC Reunion ([10:04] - [17:04])

• Tamra Defends Herself
  • Jeff and Tamra discuss the Season 19 OC reunion, where Tamra was accused by fellow Housewives of leaking stories to bloggers—an attack Tamra describes as orchestrated and deeply upsetting.
    • Jeff Lewis [13:35]: "They all jumped on...It was an attack."
    • Tamra Judge [13:41]: "For two weeks after the reunion...I couldn't even move."
  • Jeff questions why blame is focused only on cast members when production staff and others have access to information.
    • Jeff Lewis [11:04]: “It’s not just them that knows all the storylines…there’s a lot of people involved.”
  • Discussion about motives for leaking and lack of solid evidence.
    • Tamra Judge [17:09]: “No, not that I'm aware of…it's all just hearsay.”

Memorable Moment:

• Eddie Judge [14:57]: "It's gonna take about five women to take Tamra down, and that's the truth."

4. Behind the Scenes: The Real Pressures for Housewives ([15:43], [19:17] - [20:42])

• Impact on Mental Health and Brand
  • Tamra opens up about emotional hardship, lack of support from cast, and the way reality TV manipulates personal vulnerabilities for storylines.
    • Tamra Judge [16:19]: “Every time I went into a scene, everybody was gonna poke at me…poke at Tamra. She’s gonna explode. She’s gonna give us good TV. And I wasn’t in the spot…I just wanted someone to hug me and say, ‘It’s going to be okay.’”
  • Jeff observes how the real-life achievements of Housewives are ignored by the franchise, to the detriment of a more nuanced, empowering narrative.
    • Jeff Lewis [18:42]: "I would love a day in the life where we're seeing you run your businesses, your podcast network..."

5. Business Endeavors Beyond TV ([18:55] - [21:40])

• Tamra’s Podcast Network & CBD Company

  • Tamra discusses the growth of her podcast network ("Two Ts in a Pod" and others), and success with her CBD and THC business, Vena.
    • Jeff Lewis [19:06]: "You just celebrated 75 million downloads. It’s an incredible accomplishment."
  • Complaints about production not showing women’s achievements, focusing instead on drama.
    • Tamra Judge [19:17]: "I think it would show a different side to me...a softer side."

• Podcasting as a New Power Move

  • Caller points out Tamra’s return to Housewives despite breaking the fourth wall with her podcast, prompting discussion of the Bravo ecosystem’s changing rules.

6. The Problem with Housewives Storylines & Moving Forward ([25:31] - [31:45])

• Frustration with Housewife Drama Templates
  • Jeff and Tamra discuss the repetitiveness of storylines (leaks, bloggers, lie detector tests, etc.), and the ways rivals aim to undermine one another.
    • Jeff Lewis [25:54]: "We share the same production company and we are in pre production right now for still flipping out...I don’t like what I see."
  • Concern about public feuds affecting real-life relationships and business reputations.
    • Jeff Lewis [30:20]: "There gets to be a point where it could actually hurt your brand."

7. On Casting Changes, OGs, and Possible Comebacks ([41:23] - [45:44])

• Who Should Return?
  • Tamra expresses excitement at Vicki Gunvalson’s return as an OC Housewife, and nostalgia for old dynamics.
    • Tamra Judge [41:23]: "I'm very excited Vicki's coming back...I really want it to be like it was in the beginning."
  • Discussion of possible returnees: Kelly Dodd, Alexis, Gina Keough, Laurie Peterson, Joe De La Rosa.
    • Tamra Judge [44:34]: "You're admitting Kelly Dodd was a good housewife? Yeah, I mean, I think she was polarizing..."

8. Conflict Resolution and Apologies Within the Cast ([45:44] - End)

• Tamra’s Relationships by Cast Member
  • Jeff quizzes Tamra on her willingness to reconcile with each major Housewife.
  • She’s open to moving forward—and giving or accepting apologies—with most, except for some ongoing feuds with Gretchen.
    • Tamra Judge [45:56]: "Emily. I'm very, very, very hurt by Emily...I think, you know, I can move forward."
    • Jeff Lewis [46:19]: "I do think you owe her an apology. For what? Well, she owes you an apology."
  • Tamra admits to being snarky and sometimes “an asshole,” but values accountability and humor in conflict resolution.

Notable Quote:

• Tamra Judge [49:10]: "How many things can I be accused of that some of them are illegal before, you know what, get away from me."

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• Jeff Lewis [01:29]: "It’s not good enough for me."
• Tamra Judge [03:01]: “Did you, Jeff Lewis, say the Orange County Housewives dress like they shop at Walmart?”
• Jeff Lewis [06:07]: "Yes, it was snarky and maybe it was insensitive."
• Jeff Lewis [08:23]: "I was really upset that I hurt Andy..."
• Eddie Judge [14:57]: "It's gonna take about five women to take Tamra down, and that's the truth."
• Tamra Judge [16:19]: “I just wanted someone to hug me and say, 'It’s going to be okay.’”
• Jeff Lewis [18:42]: "I would love a day in the life..."
• Tamra Judge [19:17]: "They typecast you... as the villain."
• Tamra Judge [41:23]: "I'm very excited Vicki's coming back..."
• Tamra Judge [45:56] (about conflict with cast): "Emily. I'm very, very, very hurt by Emily...I can move forward."
• Tamra Judge [49:10]: "How many things can I be accused of...get away from me."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Apology Philosophies: [01:17] – [02:12]
• BravoCon & Receipts: [02:29] – [11:00]
• OC Reunion Leaks: [10:04] – [17:04]
• Mental Health, Burnout: [13:41], [16:19], [15:43]
• Career & Podcasting: [18:42] – [21:40]
• Repeating Housewives Storylines: [25:31] – [31:45]
• Casting Shakeups & OGs: [41:23] – [45:44]
• Conflict & Apology Round-Robin: [45:44] – End

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Summary

This episode offers a revealing look at the emotional and reputational cost of reality TV life, blending accountability, levity, and tough love. Jeff’s no-nonsense style is met by Tamra’s candor and resilience, creating space for sincere reflection on forgiveness, business growth, and personal boundaries amidst the relentless churn of televised conflict. Both host and guests agree: Real apologies—and meaningful connections—are rare commodities in the world of Housewives, and worth holding onto when they arise.

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Transcript

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[Tamara Judge]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have no problem prioritizing myself.

[Cicely]

I'm glad that you're feeling so good.

[Tamara Judge]

About this, but the truth is I got fired and it's your fucking fault.

[Jeff Lewis]

She gets paid for this shit. You get paid for this shit.

[Cicely]

Lewis has issues.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has issues. In this episode, Tamara and Eddie Judge joined the show. I have a long list of apologies and Tamara is ready to reconcile with her castmates. Plus we chat about which housewives we would bring back to the show. Good morning.

[Eddie Judge]

Good morning.

[Tamara Judge]

Good morning.

[Jeff Lewis]

We were having a brief discussion and I'm very curious. I said, Shane will admit when he's wrong, but he doesn't apologize. So he'll be like, that was my fault.

[Tamara Judge]

Isn't that good enough just to admit.

[Jeff Lewis]

It'S not good enough for me.

[Tamara Judge]

You need the apology.

[Jeff Lewis]

Just quick. Just quick, easy. Like, oh my gosh, you know, that was my fault. I'm so.

[Eddie Judge]

What if they just mean it? What if it's just, oh yeah, I'm sorry.

[Jeff Lewis]

But he.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I misspoke. I misspoke.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

How about people that don't admit that they did something wrong and then go, well, I'm sorry if you feel that way.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's passive aggressive. I can't stand that.

[Fan/Caller]

Or that's.

[Eddie Judge]

That's my truth.

[Fan/Caller]

I'm very passionate about not apologizing for things I'm not apologetic for.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Fan/Caller]

So I'll say that like I heard what you said, but I'm not apologetic for that. So I'm not apologizing.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, after this conversation, I am apologizing.

[Fan/Caller]

For shit because then it means nothing. Then a real apology means nothing.

[Jeff Lewis]

I will, in an effort to be self reflective and accountable, I will say I'm responsible for this and I'm responsible for that. But I'm not responsible for this part.

[Tamara Judge]

Let's talk about apologizing.

[Gina]

She has receipts.

[Tamara Judge]

Because I.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are we jumping into.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, jumping into Bravocon. Cause I feel like you probably.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, Bravocon.

[Tamara Judge]

You had to do a lot of apologies after Bravocon.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, shit.

[Tamara Judge]

Because I even got some phone calls.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so I.

[Tamara Judge]

First of all, about you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, first of all, I know what you're gonna be bringing up.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't even care about Big Bear House.

[Jeff Lewis]

I didn't say the Big. Okay, I don't know if it was a house specific.

[Tamara Judge]

No, you just had a lot to say about you, a little bit about me.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now, did you hear this directly or these things that people.

[Fan/Caller]

Camera's holding a piece of paper. I just have to say she brought receip.

[Tamara Judge]

This is like the damn reunion. But this one I'm going to win. Well, that's when I won, too. But did you, Jeff Lewis, say that the Orange County Housewives dress like they shop at Walmart?

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know if I said the Walmart comment. All I. All I said, I don't recall the Walmart. Seriously, Tamara?

[Tamara Judge]

Is it Target?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, no, no. I don't think I mentioned any sort of store specific. The only thing I said this season is that when you. When you were all in Amsterdam, I felt that there were some very inappropriately dressed women.

[Tamara Judge]

That's Amsterdam. We were going to the red light district.

[Jeff Lewis]

That said, I'm going to tell you, I've said this time and time again, you got a great body. I don't care how great your body is. I think people look better in clothes. And I think that they're also, when women get to a certain age, I just think they look better.

[Tamara Judge]

I agree.

[Jeff Lewis]

Covered up.

[Tamara Judge]

I know what picture you're talking about, and I agree with you, but I.

[Jeff Lewis]

Won'T apologize, but I did not. Do not recall saying Walmart or Target or anything like that. Go ahead. Next.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, so we know you said that my house in Big Bear was cheaply decorated. And I think you even maybe threw out Living Spaces. Yes, but didn't you have a line in living spaces?

[Jeff Lewis]

I sure did. And it was. I elevated that place. And then when they fired me, when they fired me, they went back to the same old space.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I didn't buy anything at Living Spaces.

[Eddie Judge]

At least it's not ikea.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, I said your home was very nice. I said what I would do is I'd elevate the furnishings. That's what I would do.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, as you know, we bought that house thinking we were going to use it as a investment property.

[Jeff Lewis]

An Airbnb.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. And then we decided we liked it so much up there that we don't want anybody to rent it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

So we talked about this earlier. So our plan is to buy a nicer, more luxurious house that you can freaking decorate. Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right, next. Anything else?

[Tamara Judge]

So I got a call from lala.

[Gina]

Okay.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you know what I'm gonna say?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, I do. And this was taken out of context, but go ahead.

[Tamara Judge]

You said to a fan.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, I did.

[Tamara Judge]

That he was saying he was having, he was going through recovery. Right?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, I recall this.

[Tamara Judge]

And that he screwed up and fell off the wagon.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

And then went on and on and on. He was very long winded.

[Jeff Lewis]

He was very long winded. Yes. And he could not read a room, but whatever. Go on.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, either could you.

[Jeff Lewis]

He was a doubt.

[Tamara Judge]

Neither could you.

[Jeff Lewis]

He killed the vibe. But anyway.

[Gina]

What vibe?

[Tamara Judge]

You didn't help the. And then you said, well, I don't think anybody on Bravo should be a recovering and I don't know what you said. Recovering, Recovery and recovery.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, this is what I said. This is, this is where you and I have had many conversations this season.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm just asking you questions to clarify.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm not accusing you, but you assume the worst. And the thing is.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I always assume the worst.

[Jeff Lewis]

The thing is, is that people are taking what I'm saying out of context. They're DMing you. Then you get activated.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, no. Lala called me.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then. Okay, but then you'll text me like, did you say this? And I'm like, that's. No, that's not. At least I asked you.

[Tamara Judge]

So I ask you.

[Jeff Lewis]

What happened was, I said, do you think if now that you've fallen off the wagon, you know, you were in recovery, do you think that Bravocon is a good, A good place to be? I don't think. I mean, I don't know. I'm not in recovery, but I would think there'd be a lot of temptation to drink. And that's why. That's why I said that. And yes, it was snarky and maybe it was insensitive, but I did say that.

[Tamara Judge]

And then you said Monica Garcia was on food stamps.

[Jeff Lewis]

I, I, I insinuated, I insinuated five kids and no job. That's a lot. Oh, she's, it's, you know, it's.

[Eddie Judge]

Oh, snap.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, Jeffrey.

[Jeff Lewis]

Kids are expensive. Can I tell you, I can't afford to have five kids if I can't Afford to have five kids. She certainly came back.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you know, she went on Carlos King and she said it really hurt her feelings and that, you know what, at one time she was on food stamps, but she's no longer. But people like Cardi B have been on food stamps. Okay, that was her point.

[Jeff Lewis]

Look, it was. I wasn't. I was making a joke, which was an inappropriate joke, and it didn't land very well. But my whole point, you know what, Tamara? I don't know if my whole point of that was saying, what happened to hiring affluent women? That was what I was saying to Andy. And he goes, what are you talking about? I go, are you kidding me? And then that was the first example that I brought up.

[Tamara Judge]

I heard Andy got mad at you.

[Jeff Lewis]

He did.

[Tamara Judge]

Are you guys better?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, much better.

[Eddie Judge]

Did you apologize?

[Jeff Lewis]

He doesn't really.

[Eddie Judge]

No, you.

[Jeff Lewis]

He's like a Shane. He doesn't. Yes, he will be like, okay, I did this. But he doesn't say, I'm sorry. I have no problem saying I'm sorry. I don't feel like I'm like a weaker person. As a result, I say, I did this and I'm sorry for that. I fucked up. He will never say I fucked up. He'll never say I'm sorry. But he'll be like, I did this. Which I know is, you know, so he's being accountable.

[Tamara Judge]

Does it make you nervous when Andy Cohen gets mad at you?

[Jeff Lewis]

Not nervous. We have an 18 year friendship. You have a very long friendship with me.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, same 18 years.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have a lot of love for.

[Tamara Judge]

Andy and I started the same year.

[Jeff Lewis]

Is that true?

[Gina]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have a lot of love for Andy and I had said this on Monday. I didn't give a shit what 5000 people thought of me. That I don't know. I don't care.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that's a good place to be.

[Jeff Lewis]

However, I was really upset that I hurt Andy and I fucked up his day and I screwed up his panel and that was what I was really most upset about.

[Eddie Judge]

What'd you do?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, what'd you do?

[Jeff Lewis]

I was aggressive. I was negative. I was. I got frustrated with him because he.

[Tamara Judge]

Unapologetic.

[Gina]

Are you sorry?

[Jeff Lewis]

I am sorry I told. But I have no problem, unlike you, I have no problem saying I'm sorry.

[Tamara Judge]

That is. That's what I do like about you, Jeff, is that you can do stuff and say stuff and be snarky and if you hurt someone's feelings, you're like, oh my God, I'm sorry.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yep, same with you.

[Fan/Caller]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

I love that about you.

[Jeff Lewis]

The. Oh, God, I lost my train of thought. What was I talking about?

[Tamara Judge]

Andy.

[Eddie Judge]

You heard Andy.

[Gina]

You were being accountable for your actions.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, it'll come back to me. It doesn't matter. Anyway. Anyway.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's all I have. That's all I have on my list.

[Eddie Judge]

That was like such a piece of paper.

[Jeff Lewis]

But, you know, I hope we're gonna stick to this because I do believe that there are many people that are in between you and me that are really trying to drive a wedge.

[Tamara Judge]

Well. Oh, I have another question. People are blaming you as the caller that is disguised on the season finale. And I laugh every single time.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. Have I ever hid behind anybody?

[Tamara Judge]

No, but you would never do that.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I would not do that because I don't believe it. Anyway.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you know what people's logic is? He's friends with Shannon Beador. She put him up to it.

[Eddie Judge]

I think there's only one person that we can easily single out that had that voice, that did that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Let's talk Vader.

[Tamara Judge]

It was Darth Vader.

[Jeff Lewis]

Let's bring everyone up to speed. I watched the part three of the O.C. season 19 reunion last night. In that reunion, I guess five of the women, four of the women. It was almost the entire cast. They came for you and they accused you of leaking stories to bloggers. And they are maintaining that the only people in the room that knew those stories were the house, was the cast. Now, the entire time I was watching that, I thought to myself, I've been in this business for a while. It's not just them that knows all the storylines. It is the entire production crew. It is every cast member's support staff. By that, that means stylists, glam squads, which is makeup, hair. There's a lot of people involved, assistants. There's a lot of people that could leak that. I also would a suspect. So in my mind, there's a hundred people that could have leaked that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Why? They pinpointed.

[Tamara Judge]

And also, it could have been somebody from my inner circle. Let's just say I am guilty of this. Let's say that I'm telling Eddie something like, what's going on, and he's telling his friend, who's telling a friend. So it could happen that way to you.

[Eddie Judge]

But how detrimental was it that was.

[Tamara Judge]

To tell a blocker to tell a blogger? That's a no, no.

[Jeff Lewis]

You've been do. And I, you know, I was really watching it and you'd said, like, I have been on the show for 15 years. I've never done it before. Why now? And the other thing, too, is, what would your motive be?

[Tamara Judge]

What would I. That's what I said.

[Jeff Lewis]

What do you get out of it?

[Tamara Judge]

What would I get out of it? And someone on the cast won't name said, you do it. So bloggers are nice to you? And I said, what fucking blogger's nice to me?

[Jeff Lewis]

Nobody's nice to you.

[Tamara Judge]

Who's nice to me?

[Gina]

This plan's not working for me.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. It's not working.

[Fan/Caller]

I'm not.

[Eddie Judge]

You have your two or three.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I have like three. And they have like 200 followers. You know, it's like. It's ridiculous.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. More than that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Also, you kept saying, where is the proof? Do you have audio? Do you have something in writing? Do you have. And nobody could provide anything. I will say Katie Janela, unfortunately, is not in a position to defend you because she's had her issues. And between you and I, I actually really like Katie.

[Tamara Judge]

I like Katie, too.

[Jeff Lewis]

I do think that. And I've brought this up before, I believe that she told the truth this season, but also did not tell the truth this season. We talked about specifically what I do believe she couldn't. There's no way Katie, who clearly is aligned with you, could defend you because she told something to a blogger. So she would.

[Tamara Judge]

It's about me.

[Gina]

She lost her credibility.

[Jeff Lewis]

She lost her credibility. She would look like a hypocrite. She could not defend you. The other person that I was a little disappointed in was Heather Dubrow, because although she did not pile on, and she was certainly very vocal about her outrage that someone is doing this, she did not defend you at all.

[Tamara Judge]

And consider the source.

[Jeff Lewis]

That bothered me. That bothered me because she could have just even said one line like, I don't believe Tamara's responsible for this.

[Tamara Judge]

She did at. In press @.

[Jeff Lewis]

BravoCon. Well, it would have been nice had she done it at the.

[Tamara Judge]

Reunion. I.

[Jeff Lewis]

Agree. And then you've got these other. They all jumped on, you know, Emily, Gina, Shannon, Gretchen. And they all. They all came for you. I thought it was. I mean, it was. It was an attack. I felt very.

[Tamara Judge]

Bad. I felt like an.

[Jeff Lewis]

Attack. I felt very bad for.

[Tamara Judge]

You. I mean, for two weeks after the reunion, first of all, the first two days after the reunion, I couldn't even move. Like, I just sat in a chair in my cheap recliner chair at Big Bear, and I. And I just sat there. Like, I couldn't even move. I couldn't function. I just couldn't believe what was going on. Or what had happened. So it was tough. And even two weeks after, it was still in my head. And I'm like, why? But why? Why did this.

[Jeff Lewis]

Happen? What was interesting to me is that, you know, at the end, I don't know what they showed. There was footage after you had stopped shooting where the three or four women got together and they were talking to this person who was adamantly stating that you leaked all of these stories to bloggers. And I thought, why are we not seeing him on camera? Why are we disguising his voice? And I thought to myself, well, he's protecting his source, right? And the source is not you. The source is somebody who should not be.

[Tamara Judge]

Talking. Very, very, very confusing. The whole thing is confusing to me. It's confusing to why they put it on. It's confusing to where it came from. There's a lot of things I just don't.

[Eddie Judge]

Understand. Well, let me give you the guys perspective, because let's say we're in the gladiator world. It's gonna take about five women to take Tamara down, and that's the truth. One of them alone can't handle.

[Tamara Judge]

It. Well, I'm not even. I didn't even really do anything this season to even be taken down. Like, I feel like I was in a place of, like, sadness because, you know, filming and what was going on with Teddy, I was just really, really sad and devastated, and I just kind of felt like nobody was there for.

[Jeff Lewis]

Me. You look, I spoke to you, obviously, many.

[Tamara Judge]

Times. Many times you were there for.

[Jeff Lewis]

Me while you were filming.

[Tamara Judge]

This. Heather was there for.

[Jeff Lewis]

Me. She would call me when I spoke to you. I just. You were not only emotionally exhausted, you were physically exhausted. You're running your podcast network five.

[Tamara Judge]

Days a week at the.

[Jeff Lewis]

Time. You're running your CBD business. You're filming a show. You're driving in two hours of traffic to Cedars Sinai to visit Teddy. I'm, like, from just firsthand experience, you didn't have the wherewithal to do this, let alone the.

[Tamara Judge]

Time. No, no. And it just. It kind of was breaking my heart all season as well, is every time I went into a scene, everybody was gonna poke at me because it's like, oh, poke at Tamara. She's gonna explode. She's gonna give us good tv. And I wasn't in the spot. I was in the spot where to just, like, hug me and say, it's going to be.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. Did you ever consider.

[Tamara Judge]

Quitting?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. Well, we'll get. We'll get to that. I thought about it. This morning. And I thought, why did production allow this orchestrated attack? I mean, because they actually went to great lengths to really spent more.

[Gina]

Time to keep it from you, to.

[Jeff Lewis]

Build the case against.

[Tamara Judge]

You.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. And.

[Tamara Judge]

To. But this case was built within one week of us after we stopped.

[Eddie Judge]

Filming. It's.

[Tamara Judge]

Fake. If it was something that was going on all season long, then I would understand this. I just don't understand, like, you know, unless, you know, production truly or Bravo truly believes I did it, and they just want to slap me on my hand. I don't know. Like, there's so many unanswered things that I just. I don't think I'll ever get an answer.

[Gina]

To. Is there proof that you leaked and, like, in terms of, like, a text message or a dm, or is it all just.

[Tamara Judge]

Hearsay? No, no, not that I'm aware of. I mean, it came out recently that Emily was talking with bloggers and trying to get.

[Jeff Lewis]

Her. Everybody's done it. I mean, not everybody's done it, but a lot of these women across all seasons have done.

[Tamara Judge]

It. Well, it's a. It's a big topic on every single show. You know, Salt Lake City. Look what's going on with Lisa right now. Heather Gay just came out and said that she has proof that she's feeding blogger.

[Jeff Lewis]

Information. Okay, show us the.

[Eddie Judge]

Proof. But it's one thing to just have a conversation with the blogger. It's another thing to provide him with clips of.

[Tamara Judge]

The. Of the show or giving them the screeners or things like that which has happened on our show.

[Jeff Lewis]

Before. So this I have been saying over and over and over again, these women, unfortunately, they've given up their careers to become professional reality stars. So we've got four women that orchestrated this attack against you. Not one of them have jobs. And so I thought to myself, what is going on here? Why is this happening? Because it's storyline. It's a storyline. And this goes back to what I have been saying to everyone, including Andy and every chance. I just. I know what you both have accomplished. I have a lot of respect for your work ethic, and what you've done, that to me, is so much more interesting than anything, anything that's going on. And I would love a day in the life where, you know, we're seeing you run your businesses, your podcast network. How many. How many shows are on your podcast.

[Tamara Judge]

Network? Oh, my God. Underneath us. Yeah, we have. I believe, like, we have the eds, we have Dirty Rush. We have. Gosh, why am I.

[Jeff Lewis]

Blanking? But.

[Tamara Judge]

You'Re. We Have Emily's podcast. Yes, guys, Emily is on our.

[Jeff Lewis]

Network. Well, I do want to ask. I have questions about.

[Tamara Judge]

That. Well, let's talk about.

[Jeff Lewis]

That. Teas in a.

[Tamara Judge]

Pod. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

75. You just celebrated 75 million downloads. It's an incredible.

[Tamara Judge]

Accomplishment.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. Why aren't we talking about that? I just don't get.

[Tamara Judge]

It. They don't ever talk about. All they want to show is, you know, a heightened me and a fighting me and things like that. They don't really even, like, kind of typecast you. Yeah. Kind of typecasted the villain. Like, no, we don't show my businesses. We hardly show any of my home life or things like that. It's things that I honestly would like to. I think that it would show a different side to me. I think it would show a softer side to.

[Jeff Lewis]

Me. Well, that's going to be up to.

[Tamara Judge]

You. Well, it's not up to me because I want it, and I've been wanting it, and I've had this conversation with Luke, and I said, you know, I'm watching all these people on different shows, like Potomac, where they're opening up cannabis companies. And I was told way back when, when I opened mine up six years ago, oh, well, you know, the laws are a little not clear, and, you know, we don't want to get in trouble. And I've had it for six years, but there's been no talk about.

[Jeff Lewis]

It. Well, also, with Vena, there's, you know, it's. There's CBD products, there's melatonin. It's not just thc. You have. There's a.

[Tamara Judge]

Whole. And that's what we started out with. That's what we started out with. It was just cbd. Now we have expanded to THC and Spectrum. Yeah. And so I don't know from.

[Fan/Caller]

A fan perspective, it was interesting when you started your podcast because you weren't on the show at the time, and I thought, okay, that's a nail in the coffin. Like, there's no way they'll bring back someone who's talking about the show. And you got brought back. And now tons of housewives have podcasts, which is very interesting. In a way, you kind of spearheaded.

[Tamara Judge]

That. I mean, I think I can understand why they don't show my podcast in the sense that it's about housewife shows and it'll be breaking the fourth wall. I can understand that part, but we're breaking the fourth wall all the time. Yeah, all the time. But they use my.

[Jeff Lewis]

Clips. I'm about to be.

[Tamara Judge]

Vindicated. If I say some asshole something, you know, bad, they'll use my.

[Jeff Lewis]

Clips. Sicily In Texas, Line 6 is about to vindicate me. Hi.

[Cicely]

Cicely. Hey, can you hear.

[Fan/Caller]

Me? Yes.

[Cicely]

Hi. How are.

[Jeff Lewis]

Ya? Good, thank.

[Cicely]

You. Hey, by the way, you've been on my heart lately. I've been thinking about you. You're gonna get through this. So I have vindication? You're talking to me or Tamara? I'm talking to Jeff. I'm a little Jeff over.

[Tamara Judge]

Here. What about me.

[Cicely]

Sisley? I love you.

[Tamara Judge]

Tamara. I think you're adorable through. I need a.

[Cicely]

Hug. Are gonna get through it. Yeah, I'll give you a hug all day.

[Tamara Judge]

Long. Okay, so I'll give you a podcast and feed you.

[Cicely]

Stories. Hey, we could talk about senior living, because that's what I.

[Tamara Judge]

Do. Okay, well, I'm a.

[Cicely]

Senior. I know, so. Right. So am I. 53, so. But anywho, I wanted to tell you that it was Chanel Ion that said that comment. So if you go back, it was her that said that. And she wasn't talking about you guys in general. She was talking about the way people were dressed at Bravicon from OC that's what she.

[Tamara Judge]

Said. So Jeff Lewis did say Orange.

[Gina]

County. I found the quote. She said, miami housewives, Beverly Hill housewives. Dubai. We dress up. New York dress up. They do not even try. In Orange county. They don't even try. She said.

[Cicely]

This. Yeah, they look like Walmart. And then Jeff actually said, you know, I thought they looked okay. Or he kind of defended it. And then she's like, well. And then, because he's like, well, don't you model? Blah, blah, blah. So I. I go back to the tape, because I. He was. He was in the.

[Tamara Judge]

Good. He was in the good. You did your homework, and I appreciate.

[Jeff Lewis]

That. Thank you.

[Tamara Judge]

Cicely.

[Cicely]

Yeah. And so you guys have a great day. Love you.

[Tamara Judge]

Guys. Waiting for that hug.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now. Andrew and George aligned, too. This is.

[Tamara Judge]

Interesting.

[Jeff Lewis]

What? Hi.

[Andrew]

Andrew. Hi. How are.

[Jeff Lewis]

You? Good, thank.

[Andrew]

You. Good. Tamara, there is a rumor that is floating around. Of course. You know the Bravo podcast. There's always something floating around, so take it with a grain of salt. But fellow chump Anna Kinkosis, on her podcast, they were discussing this rumor that there is an Orange county housewife whose husband was caught having an affair during Bravo.

[Eddie Judge]

Con.

[Andrew]

What? And that there's also photo evidence of this said affair happening. And the proof is from Pebble.

[Tamara Judge]

Beach. Eddie, were you.

[Eddie Judge]

Sleeping? So there's only two house husbands, and.

[Tamara Judge]

That'S. Yeah, yeah, it's Only there aren't.

[Eddie Judge]

Many house husbands in the Orange County.

[Cicely]

Housewife. Yeah, and that's what I thought.

[Andrew]

Too, because the by process of elimination. But on their podcast, the section or the tab.

[Tamara Judge]

Whatever. Yeah, I believe that. But also Anna was out there saying that I never went to the hospital when Teddy was sick. So, you know, sometimes people don't fact check and say things that aren't necessarily.

[Eddie Judge]

True. Welcome to.

[Jeff Lewis]

Housewives. Thank you very.

[Gina]

Much. Yeah, like saying Jeff says people dress like from Walmart when he.

[Tamara Judge]

Didn'T. Yeah, I don't even know who told me.

[Eddie Judge]

That. And you don't have to apologize for.

[Tamara Judge]

That. I just, I just.

[Jeff Lewis]

Ask. Yes, well, you kind of. It was accusatory and you were a little.

[Tamara Judge]

Heated. Well, you know, sometimes you just have.

[Jeff Lewis]

To. And if Lala. And by the way, Lala and I, I must have talked to her for 30 minutes at JSX before we flew to Vegas. She's got a. I mean I thought we were friends. If she has a problem, call.

[Tamara Judge]

Me. We'll talk about in Hawaii, relaxing. But she also.

[Jeff Lewis]

Said. You're right. She told me she was going there for like three.

[Tamara Judge]

Weeks. She also told me that you decorated her house in Bel Air. In Bel Air. And you use living.

[Jeff Lewis]

Spaces. That was when I worked there. That was when I worked there. And the, the, the furnishings were very different when I was there. I haven't been there. I don't know. Maybe it's good, maybe it's.

[Fan/Caller]

Not. I just got a sofa from Living Spaces and we love.

[Jeff Lewis]

It. Okay.

[Eddie Judge]

Good. I.

[Tamara Judge]

Don'T. I love living.

[Jeff Lewis]

Spaces. Did you have problems with delivery at.

[Fan/Caller]

All? Quite the opposite. Could not have been a smoother process. Oh.

[Tamara Judge]

Good. I have bought a lot of things from living.

[Fan/Caller]

Space. I watched one man carry an entire three seat sofa on his back. One.

[Gina]

Man. You just.

[Fan/Caller]

Watched.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. I also think. Good point. I also think you can mix different. You know, you can mix different.

[Tamara Judge]

Furniture. Do you feel like you have to spend a ton of money to get something that looks.

[Jeff Lewis]

Nice? No, I.

[Tamara Judge]

Don'T. Do you mix and.

[Jeff Lewis]

Match? I'll mix and I'll mix some expensive pieces with some inexpensive because that's like clothes. I want to jump back to this because I have to say because of Orange.

[Tamara Judge]

County.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. Watching the season, we. We share the same production company and we are in pre production right now for still flipping out, which we start on January 5. I have had many creative disputes going on with the production company. Mostly because I'm afraid of the things that are happening on Real Housewives of Orange.

[Tamara Judge]

County.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. I want to be very honest. Like, I don't like what I see. And it's not just me. This resonated with me because there was some sort of DM or Instagram post that said, I don't want to hear the following words, phrases. Next season on Real Housewives of Orange County. Bloggers, podcasters, leaking stories, rumors, lie detector tests. Naked, wasted 15 years ago. Gretchers. And they said anything about Katie? I like Katie. But, yes, I think the only way Katie could really save herself at this point, and I would tell her this is, you got to admit to the Kiki Monique thing. You got to come out and just say, look, I lied about.

[Tamara Judge]

This. Well, I.

[Jeff Lewis]

Don'T. Because then you'll start to believe her for all the things that are.

[Tamara Judge]

True. Well, I think at this point, there's nothing any of us can do. We're just sitting ducks right now. We're just waiting to see if there is, you know, who's coming back and who's not. I don't. I don't know that anybody that's safe, except for Vicki, and. And that's it.

[Eddie Judge]

So. Yeah, but she didn't sign her.

[Tamara Judge]

Contract. Well, you don't know that. She got.

[Eddie Judge]

Asked. She was genuinely surprised I was.

[Tamara Judge]

There. This is why I don't let him talk on the show. I'm like, sit in the damn corner and don't say a.

[Jeff Lewis]

Word. There's things we can say, and there's things that we can't. He.

[Tamara Judge]

Doesn'T. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Exactly. It's pending.

[Tamara Judge]

Though. It's pending. No, she. She's. She's good. She's. She's coming.

[Jeff Lewis]

Back. She's on.

[Tamara Judge]

Board. She's on board, but nobody else knows, and we probably won't know. And then, you know, everybody's pretty much shaking in their boots because there was, like, a press release by Bravo that says there's gonna be a shakeup, and nobody knows what that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Means. Yeah, there.

[Tamara Judge]

Is. When they say there's gonna be a shakeup. Yeah, you be quiet, Stop.

[Jeff Lewis]

Talking. Give them any ideas. So there's a lot of questions. I mean, a lot of calls for your Tamara. But I wanted to ask you this. And I do this, too. I allow people to trigger me and activate me. I think the way that I see your life is I don't know why you're getting in with such a huge life you have now and what you guys are building. I don't know why you get in the weeds with this stuff. And I think the scene that I had most Respect for you was. It was in some bar, I think in Orange county or something. And Gretchen came for you and you and Eddie said, we're.

[Tamara Judge]

Leaving.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. And you just turned around and you walked away. And I thought, well, Eddie flipped him off, but, oh, well, maybe Eddie shouldn't have done that. But I actually, it was like the one scene, I'm like, okay, I feel like she handled that correctly. This is gonna go.

[Tamara Judge]

Nowhere. But then people accuse you of walking away and not, you know, when you're confronted, you walk away. You're cowardly. That's not what Housewives is about. And.

[Eddie Judge]

I. You want to keep banging your.

[Tamara Judge]

Head. I know, but I. All season long, like, I was kind of walking away from her because the get go, she was coming after me. I had no fan. I drugged somebody.

[Jeff Lewis]

That. I just feel like I would love to see you. Look, once in a while you're going to. You're going to.

[Tamara Judge]

Engage.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. I would like to see you take the high road more often because I just feel like it's a little beneath you. And again, coming from Jeff, some of these people, some of them have absolutely nothing to lose, and you do. So I just think, why are you doing this? Like.

[Tamara Judge]

I. Which part? Flipping off in the.

[Jeff Lewis]

Face. I don't like that. I don't like when you scream.

[Tamara Judge]

Bitch. I don't like, don't accuse me of something I didn't do. You want to get under my skin so fast, accuse me of that. But they know that and I know that. Okay, I'll work on that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Next. The reunion wasn't. Wasn't. So the reunion could have been a lot worse because it seemed like it was endless, the attacks endless. And I probably would have lost my too. But, you know, you kind of kept it together. Like, for a while there, you were like, you were calm. I didn't do this. I didn't do this. Like, I had nothing to do with.

[Tamara Judge]

This. How much can you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Take? I get.

[Tamara Judge]

It. How much can a person.

[Jeff Lewis]

Take? I.

[Tamara Judge]

Know. You know.

[Eddie Judge]

I. Especially from people you.

[Tamara Judge]

Trusted. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and yeah, it was hard, especially from certain people on the cast that I have been very kind to and didn't know where this was coming.

[Jeff Lewis]

From. You and I are doing these shows. We're using the platform. We're using them like they're using us. We're using the platform to promote our businesses and build our.

[Tamara Judge]

Businesses. Isn't that the smart thing to.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do? Well, I don't know, because I'm not as vulnerable as you. I don't have Six other people coming for me on the daily. And there gets to be a point where it could actually hurt your brand. So if a lot of people on Real House of Orange county think that you had something to do with this, they're actually not. They're not gonna buy Veena. They're gonna ban.

[Tamara Judge]

Veena. Well, it's gonna. It's going after my character. And to say that I can't be trusted and I can't be this, by the way, I don't trust any of these girls I'm on the show with. Not one of.

[Jeff Lewis]

Them. And that is too.

[Tamara Judge]

Bad. Well, no, it's the housewife way. You know, if something comes up, they're gonna throw it out there. That's what they're paid to do. So it's very hard to trust.

[Jeff Lewis]

Somebody. But you understand that you have everything to protect, and some of these women have nothing to protect. And I say this over and over. They're the most dangerous people, scariest people with nothing to lose.

[Tamara Judge]

Right? Oh, I know. Trust.

[Jeff Lewis]

Me. So. So sometimes.

[Tamara Judge]

I. So what do.

[Jeff Lewis]

You. You seemed much happier when you weren't on this.

[Tamara Judge]

Show. Sorry, are you firing.

[Jeff Lewis]

Me? No. No. But it's not working for you. Like, you've got to figure it out. You got to figure out how to navigate it in a way where you can deal with these women without sinking to the lowest level possible and hurting your.

[Tamara Judge]

Brand. But this is crazy that you think that I sunk to the lowest level possible. Whatever. I was attacked non stop right after my friend was just.

[Jeff Lewis]

Diagnosed. Cancer.

[Tamara Judge]

Understood. And I was so, like, exhausted mentally and emotionally and all those things. And I'm being accused of drugging somebody. I'm being accused of having an affair. I'm being accused of cyber hacking. I'm being accused of things I'm not even doing. How about, hey, Tamara, I know you're going through a hard time. Nobody gave me any of that. No, Grace, I kept it, you know, pretty mellow until I couldn't do it anymore. And then I'm like, this is the last lie you're going to say about me. And really, I didn't have the amount of explosive blow ups that I normally.

[Jeff Lewis]

Have. I will say, and I do want. I do have to take a break, but I do want to quickly just commend you. When three Bravo liberties did not show up for that vip. The VIP room, I could not believe how gracious and generous you were with your time. And that is something. And I told Andy about that. I said, you know, you were in the Middle of lunch, you had a mouthful of food, and I'm like, I need people out here. There's a bunch of no shows. And you were like. And you were exhausted. You came right from another panel and you said, I'll do it. And I sprayed your mouth with Listerine because you had food breath. And you walked out there and I kept saying, tamara, you don't. You can go now if you want. You can go. And you're like, I'm good. I'm good. And you stood there for 45 fucking.

[Tamara Judge]

Minutes. Well, we were there for the fans, you know? And this is the thing about me is, like, when I'm doing a job, I am 100%, and I'm doing it to the best of my knowledge. And those fans paid to take pictures and be in that room and know you're the only one standing there. And everybody.

[Jeff Lewis]

Else. And.

[Tamara Judge]

Dorinda. And everyone hates.

[Jeff Lewis]

That. We pulled.

[Tamara Judge]

Dorinda. Yeah, we pulled Dorinda in. And then everybody else dips out. I.

[Jeff Lewis]

Know. And it's funny because I have repeated it on the radio. I said it, I think, Monday, where I'm like, I don't understand. Like, there's just no shows. And you were like, these people don't fucking.

[Tamara Judge]

Work. Nobody wants to.

[Jeff Lewis]

Work. I.

[Tamara Judge]

Know. No one wants to.

[Jeff Lewis]

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[Tamara Judge]

Tickets. Oh, we're giving away tickets. Oh, that's really.

[Jeff Lewis]

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[Tamara Judge]

Thanks. Yeah, we did a little collab with.

[Jeff Lewis]

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[Gina]

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[Tamara Judge]

Looks?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. Emily Simpson, high body count.

[Tamara Judge]

Hair. That was very big.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hair. That was a lot of extensions.

[Tamara Judge]

Distracting. It was big in person.

[Jeff Lewis]

Too. Who in your mind looked the.

[Tamara Judge]

Best? Oh, I think Gina looked really, really good. Yeah, her hair looked beautiful. Katie's always so well put.

[Jeff Lewis]

Together. She's stunning. So.

[Tamara Judge]

Gorgeous. She's so.

[Eddie Judge]

Beautiful. She's a class.

[Tamara Judge]

Act. I think those are the two that stood out for.

[Jeff Lewis]

Me. You did not like Heather Dubrow's dress.

[Tamara Judge]

Shane. It just.

[Gina]

Looked. The collar just fell a little flat and it was like $59 matronly. Oh.

[Tamara Judge]

Really? She bought it on.

[Jeff Lewis]

Amazon. Are you.

[Gina]

Serious? That's not on brand for.

[Eddie Judge]

Her. Trying to be.

[Jeff Lewis]

Relatable. Does Bravo give you some sort of like a jack, Some sort of budget? Some sort of budget for the reunion? No, they don't. They don't say, here's a couple thousand bucks, get yourself a nice.

[Tamara Judge]

Dress? No, they say, get your ass out there and buy three dresses. We'll pick which.

[Jeff Lewis]

One. Oh, interesting.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Because it's all about the color and who's sitting where. And they have to. They give us like a, a color palette and then we go and buy. We try to get one address in each one of the colors and then they put it together. There's a lot that goes into.

[Jeff Lewis]

It. So I'm curious with all of. Are there any trade outs could people.

[Tamara Judge]

Get? Oh, I'm.

[Jeff Lewis]

Sure. Why is there no borrowed jewelry or anything? Because I, you know, Heather has gorgeous jewelry and I thought what she was wearing looked like everyday jewelry and she has beautiful jewelry. I guess when I look at the reunion, I expect like, you know, really high end style, you know what I mean? And I just didn't, I didn't see that from this.

[Tamara Judge]

Reunion. Do you see it from any of our.

[Jeff Lewis]

Reunions? Yeah, once in a.

[Tamara Judge]

While. I mean, we just, just the last year or so we've been able to wear long dresses before. We were always in short dresses in jewel colors. Yeah, we're like a bag of.

[Jeff Lewis]

Skittles. Are you excited that Vicki's coming.

[Tamara Judge]

Back? I'm very excited that Vicki's coming.

[Jeff Lewis]

Back. Is that because you need an ally.

[Tamara Judge]

Desperately? Well, yeah, that would be nice. But I, you know what? I really want it to be back to how it was in the.

[Jeff Lewis]

Beginning. We all.

[Tamara Judge]

Do. You know what I mean? Like, she's fun. I want Vicky peeing on my bed. I want her doing all those things, you know, falling over.

[Jeff Lewis]

Surfboards. And is she still.

[Tamara Judge]

Incontinent? I don't know. She just texts me. I can ask.

[Jeff Lewis]

Her. She's so.

[Tamara Judge]

Fun. She's fun. I think it's what we need. And I knew that Vicky would not perform fully unless she had an orange. She was not gonna come in as a friend of or make a cameo and bring what she brings as a full time cast member. So it was probably after she sent something to Teddi and, you know, apologized to her and sent her a present and all that stuff that I opened my eyes up to being friends with Vicki.

[Jeff Lewis]

Again. She's very kind. She really.

[Tamara Judge]

Is. So we started talking kind of a little bit back and forth, and I said on my podcast that I think that she should be back for season 20 out of respect. And that's all it took. And she's like, oh, my God, I love t. I love her so.

[Jeff Lewis]

Much. Well, so then who reached out to who? You had said you brought it up in your.

[Tamara Judge]

Podcast.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. Did she reach out to you or did you reach out to.

[Tamara Judge]

Her? So basically what happened is we were going back and forth in the podcast world. And then we wanted her on the podcast, so we reached out. I'm gonna go on her podcast next. So we just started talking, and then we got a brand deal.

[Jeff Lewis]

Together. Oh.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So we got a brand deal together. She came over. I hadn't seen her in a while. We talked. You know, there's still a lot more talking to go through, but people are like, emily, this is so convenient. I had no idea Vicki was coming back. I wanted her back, but I didn't.

[Jeff Lewis]

Know. No one knew it was coming.

[Tamara Judge]

Back. No one.

[Jeff Lewis]

Knew. Well, I think it was something that was. I think that happened at BravoCon. And I don't know if they did that on purpose, but they kept it a really. I mean, it was a good.

[Gina]

Secret because Saying, like, not even everyone on his staff.

[Tamara Judge]

Knew. Not even, like, that's what I heard.

[Gina]

Too. So top.

[Tamara Judge]

Secret. Like, Luke didn't know in production. I don't think Alex Baskin.

[Eddie Judge]

Knew. That's because they're all talking to.

[Jeff Lewis]

Bloggers. I was just gonna say that because they know there's a leak. There's a leak somewhere. So you can't tell anybody.

[Tamara Judge]

Anything. There's always a leak. Nobody can be trusted in this industry, including.

[Jeff Lewis]

You. Yeah. Now let me ask you this. The OGs, who would you like to see come back? Okay, here's the thing. I don't need to know if you personally care for them or don't. Who do you think were great housewives? So put your personal, personal feelings aside. Who was a great.

[Tamara Judge]

Housewife? Who was like. I mean, a great housewife? Great housewife. That's.

[Jeff Lewis]

Gone. Yeah, it's.

[Tamara Judge]

Gone. I don't think any great housewives are gone. I think that, you know, bringing Vicki back is the first step. I would love to see Alexis come back. You know, unpopular opinion, you know? And one of your favorites is Kelly Dodd. And she was polarizing on the show, okay. Very polarizing on the show. And people loved.

[Jeff Lewis]

That. So you're admitting Kelly Dodd was a good.

[Tamara Judge]

Housewife? Yeah, I mean, I think that she was polarizing on the show. In fact, we had a conversation with Andy and the girls, and. And we asked, like, who do you think is polarizing? I don't know what the word we used. And he did mention her. Did. So it's just unfortunate that she crosses a line sometimes and goes after us personally, and that's where she needs to stop doing that. And.

[Jeff Lewis]

That'S. What about, like, a Gina Keough, a Laurie Peterson, Real old school. Joe de la.

[Tamara Judge]

Rosa. I would Love Joe. I love Joe. We're good friends. I'd love for her to come back. Gina Keough is a kick in the pants. You never know what's gonna come out of her.

[Jeff Lewis]

Mouth. Yeah, I love.

[Tamara Judge]

Her. She is. She is. She's something.

[Jeff Lewis]

Else. I thought Laurie was adorable as.

[Tamara Judge]

Well. I love.

[Jeff Lewis]

Lori. Yeah, she's kind of like the Jen Pedrante.

[Tamara Judge]

Right? That's what Andy.

[Jeff Lewis]

Said. Andy said that she reminds me of Jen Pedrante. Reminds me of Laurie.

[Tamara Judge]

Peterson. Why do you say.

[Jeff Lewis]

That? I don't know. It's the disposition. It's the personality. I do think I like Jen. I do. I have a soft spot for Jen, and, I don't know, she just reminds me of Lori. I don't know what it.

[Tamara Judge]

Is. Yeah, I guess Andy.

[Jeff Lewis]

Feels. I.

[Tamara Judge]

Guess. Yeah, I can know. I never thought about it, but now I could totally see.

[Jeff Lewis]

That. I will name your cast members. You tell me who you feel like there could be some conflict resolution and you could move.

[Gina]

Forward.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. So.

[Tamara Judge]

Emily. I'm very, very, very hurt by Emily. I don't know what I did wrong to her. I've always been supportive of her. She has a podcast on my network and everything she's done is supportive. We've been out with Shane and her. I think, you know, I can move forward. I don't have a problem moving forward with most.

[Jeff Lewis]

People. I do think you owe her an apology. For what? Well, she owes you an.

[Tamara Judge]

Apology. She owes me an.

[Jeff Lewis]

Apology. I mean, you were mean about the podcast thing. The comment. That was.

[Tamara Judge]

Mean. But why would you say you're not on my network, you know, when we have people on our network. She was put on the back end of my podcast. Me and Teddi have built up our subscribers, so she got instant people. It's going right to their phone. They're getting.

[Jeff Lewis]

Notifications. You set her up for.

[Tamara Judge]

Success. I set her up for success. So what happens is, six months after that, we try to wean you off our feed, but you're still in our network because, honestly, our loyal listeners get annoyed when they get, oh, two T's and a pod. And it's actually somebody else's.

[Jeff Lewis]

Podcast. They do that here at.

[Tamara Judge]

SiriusXM. Yeah. And they get so.

[Jeff Lewis]

Annoyed.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. Did you do that with.

[Tamara Judge]

Us? No, because.

[Jeff Lewis]

You. Yeah, we have.

[Tamara Judge]

To. No, his.

[Jeff Lewis]

Ex. We do it for.

[Tamara Judge]

You. Eddie's podcast, Ed's does very well. Very, very.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well. But you have to admit, it was kind of a shitty. It was kind of a shitty retort back to.

[Tamara Judge]

Emily. Well, how.

[Jeff Lewis]

About. And Shannon Goes, you're being an asshole right now. Which I agree with Shannon. I thought you were being an asshole when you said.

[Tamara Judge]

That. Thank you so much, Tamara. We, me and Shane really.

[Jeff Lewis]

Appreciate. Right. But you could have responded.

[Tamara Judge]

Differently. Well, that's how I get when I'm mad.

[Jeff Lewis]

Asshole. See, now I think it's.

[Tamara Judge]

Funny. So I died.

[Jeff Lewis]

Too. But it's.

[Tamara Judge]

Different. See, I grew.

[Jeff Lewis]

Up. We have a different.

[Tamara Judge]

Relationship. I need more people on the casiter like.

[Jeff Lewis]

That. We have a different.

[Gina]

Jeff. A house life of.

[Jeff Lewis]

O.C.

[Tamara Judge]

Gina. Yeah, I adore Gina. I've always supported Gina and always praise her for what she's done. She reminds me a lot of myself 15 years ago, where she got divorced, moved into a casita like has worked her butt off to get to where she's at. I have a lot of respect for.

[Jeff Lewis]

Her. I love her.

[Tamara Judge]

Accent. No, you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Don'T. So.

[Tamara Judge]

Attractive. You're such a.

[Jeff Lewis]

Liar. No, I really.

[Tamara Judge]

Do. Such an.

[Jeff Lewis]

Asshole. What about.

[Fan/Caller]

Jen? Coming.

[Jeff Lewis]

Up. What about.

[Tamara Judge]

Jen? Yeah, I tried. I tried this season to move forward. I really.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did. She seems like a compassionate human being that would want to work through things. You would think, but promise is that you can't be a housewife and hold a.

[Tamara Judge]

Grudge. You can't hold a grudge. And that's one thing. It's so funny that Shannon would call me Tamara.

[Jeff Lewis]

Grudge. Which brings us to.

[Tamara Judge]

Shannon. Oh, God. Speaking of holding grudges, we're still hearing about David and.

[Jeff Lewis]

John. I love Shannon Beador. She's a dear friend of mine. She's stubborn and she does hold grudges, but I love.

[Tamara Judge]

Her. But doesn't make. That does not make good to.

[Jeff Lewis]

Me. I know. Heather.

[Tamara Judge]

Dubrow. Yes, absolutely. We and her have been talking and we talk every single.

[Jeff Lewis]

Day. Katie, you're good with. What about.

[Tamara Judge]

Gretchen? I don't think so. You know, I went into the season saying, you know what? I want to move forward. I don't want to look at the past. Let me reinduce myself. And all she would do is go to the past. And I just don't think that she can move on. And quite frankly, how many things can I be accused of that some of them are illegal before. You know what? Get away from.

[Jeff Lewis]

Me. I heard you when you threatened to sue her. I kind of like.

[Tamara Judge]

That.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah. And they're fake.

[Tamara Judge]

Things. I was like, damn, they're.

[Jeff Lewis]

Fake. Like, damn, she's not playing.

[Tamara Judge]

Well. Stay.

[Jeff Lewis]

Tuned. Ooh, are we filing a.

[Tamara Judge]

Lawsuit? Stay.

[Jeff Lewis]

Tuned. Oh, do you need attorney? I have like eight of them. Let me know. We can talk off any pro bono. No, actually, unfortunately, opposite. But you don't need it with the Black Friday Venus.

[Tamara Judge]

Sale. No, I don't.

[Gina]

Baby. Where do they go? Okay, go to the Venus site via Jeff's Instagram page code is JeffVena for 50% off. And there's Chump Miss Tickets.

[Jeff Lewis]

Giveaway. 50% off. I mean, you're the reason I sleep at night. Thank you so.

[Eddie Judge]

Much. And if you have seltzers, the seltzers are the.

[Jeff Lewis]

Bomb. I'm real happy with that. Lights out. I'm real happy with that. Full spectrum night bites. I'm good. Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis Lab every weekday on Sirius XM as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel, exclusively on the SiriusXM app. Hey.

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