Tamra & Eddie Judge + Doug Budin: Psychiatrists & Misspeaking

Summary

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Jeff Lewis Has Issues

Episode: Tamra & Eddie Judge + Doug Budin: Psychiatrists & Misspeaking

Date: September 5, 2025
Host: Jeff Lewis (SiriusXM)
Guests: Tamra Judge, Eddie Judge, Doug Budin

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the realities and pressures behind-the-scenes of "The Real Housewives of Orange County" (RHOC) through candid conversations with Tamra Judge, her husband Eddie Judge, and friend Doug Budin. Jeff Lewis, known for his signature “no-filter” approach, confronts the highs and lows of Tamra’s current season, the blurred lines between real life and reality TV, business frustrations, friendship betrayals, and the impact of public drama on mental health. The discussion is irreverent, revealing, and peppered with insider reality-TV talk and sharp humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tamra’s Toughest Season Yet (01:39–07:17)

• Tamra’s Struggles: Jeff points out that Tamra appears “miserable” this season; Tamra reveals the toll taken by filming, running a business, maintaining multiple podcasts (with over 80 million downloads), and supporting her close friend Teddi Mellencamp through a cancer diagnosis.
  • Quote: "I was literally having a mental breakdown. I wasn't eating. I wasn't sleeping. By the end of the season, I ended up weighing 108 pounds. My skin was just literally falling off of me, and I was just so sad." (Tamra, 05:50)
• Business Overlooked: Jeff expresses frustration that Tamra’s successful CBD company, Vena, and her podcasting network aren’t being shown on RHOC:
  • Quote: “You are one of the most successful housewives...I’m sorry they're choosing to spend time filming your therapy sessions.” (Jeff, 04:18)

2. The Reality of ‘Reality’ TV—Production Choices & Editing (04:41–11:12)

• Narrative Control: Tamra notes Bravo’s reluctance to show her business and podcast activities. She suspects it partly "breaks the fourth wall" and might be downplayed if the network doesn’t have a stake in the business (the “Bethenny clause” theory).
  • Quote: "I do wish it was a little bit more balanced, where they do show me as a businesswoman and the things that I do." (Tamra, 04:45)
• Exposure Versus Authenticity: Jeff and Tamra discuss whether the platform is worth the emotional cost. Tamra’s honest: “At the time I was really miserable. But the whole part of the show is showing your real life.” (Tamra, 11:06)
• Psychiatrist Check-Ins: All housewives now have mandated check-ins with a show psychiatrist, a response to earlier cast traumas. Tamra describes a 500-question survey leading to her severe depression diagnosis (09:51).

3. Behind-the-Scenes Drama—Friendships, Fights, and Fabrications (11:12–21:48)

• Edit Imbalance & Marital Dynamics: Eddie rarely appears on RHOC; Tamra jokes he deliberately avoids it, and the show ignores drama-free family and business life.
  • Quote (Eddie): “Every year it seems like she gives them so much content. They start taking away the reality of her life, which is her business, her kids.” (Eddie, 11:24)
• Allegiances & Rifts: Tamra discusses shifting alliances, including her “show alliance” with Heather, conflicts with Gina and Emily, who she suspects are being performative for camera.
• Notable “Misspeaking” Scandal: The hosts dissect Gretchen’s conflicting claims about a long-ago hospital trip, calling out her shifting story as “lying.”
  • Quote (Jeff): “Even on the show, we were confused...We were rewinding because I didn’t know.” (17:03)
  • Quote (Eddie): “You know what that’s called? It’s called lying.” (17:15)

4. Ripple Effects of Old Scandals—Why ‘Naked Wasted’ Won’t Die (17:03–21:48)

• Gretchen continues to allege Tamra once drugged her (“naked wasted” storyline from 17 years ago), which the team ridicules as persistent and slanderous.
• Tamra recounts rumors and legal risks, comparing to incidents that got other housewives fired.

5. Casting, Storylines, and What Makes Good TV (31:00–47:14)

• Why Tamra (Briefly) Quit: Tamra stormed out in New Orleans, taking a week off amid feeling isolated, exhausted, and unsupported.
  • Quote (Tamra): “I was just sad, and I wasn’t being myself. The girls were just kind of poking at me.” (31:12)
• Storylines: Real or Manufactured? Jeff worries that cast members, once making real money, may quit jobs, lose personal storylines, and resort to fabricating drama.
  • Quote (Jeff): "Now I have nothing to fucking offer...So now I’ve got to create storylines or the only storyline I have is either really fucking boring or it’s exploitive." (34:22)
• Children and Sensitive Storylines: Discussion about Emily’s son’s eating/autism storyline; Jeff admits this triggers his own concerns about putting kids on TV.
  • Quote (Jeff): “After watching that, I don’t want Monroe on any TV show.” (36:58)
  • Consensus: It’s brave and potentially helpful to viewers, but with real personal risks.

6. Fan Q&A and Future Casting (40:22–46:30)

• Caller asks about the “Bethenny clause”—Tamra explains she doesn’t have it, and this could be why Bravo snubs Vena on-air (40:48).
• Alexis rumored to return? Tamra hasn’t heard, but praises Alexis as a genuinely supportive friend (41:49).
• If Tamra Could Cast the Show: Would drop Shannon to “friend” status due to lack of story, keep Heather, Gina, Emily, maybe Jen, drop Gretchen, add “two strong personalities” (hinting Vicki).
  • Quote (Tamra): “I think drop her as a friend...Keep Heather, obviously. Keep Gina. Keep Emily...bring in two really strong personalities. Vicki.” (44:33)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jeff’s Signature Shade:
  • “Are we watching the same season because you’re not having a good season.” (Jeff, 02:16)
• On Housewives’ Income & Authenticity:
  • “Housewives is not a career. It can end at any given moment.” (Tamra, 35:34)
• On Bravo’s Psychiatric Safeguards:
  • “The show psychiatrist...evaluated me and she’s like, you’re severely depressed. You have self-worth problems.” (Tamra, 09:51)
• On Gretchen’s Claims:
  • “She’s like, ‘I misspoke.’ Tamra’s misspoke. Like, that’s always her go-to to deflect on somebody else. I’m like, girl, when someone asks you to your face...That’s not misspeaking?” (Tamra, 17:21)
• On Vicki’s Value:
  • “Vicki is good TV. Me and Vicki are good TV.” (Tamra, 46:52)

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Fun and Lighthearted Bits

• Doug’s Singing Banter: Jeff jokes about cutting Doug’s mic to prevent song outbursts. (29:50)
• CBG Gummies and Sugar Q&A: Callers get in on the Vena CBD conversation, Tamra and Eddie get granular about product details, and Jeff chimes in on his THC preferences. (47:20)
• Wedding RSVP Dilemmas: Doug and Jeff riff about how ridiculous it is to choose a wedding meal months in advance. (43:31)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Tamra on being overlooked as a businesswoman: 04:41–05:15
• Jeff and Tamra debate on the emotional toll of show: 07:17–11:12
• Housewives’ psychiatrist and mental health: 09:51–10:18
• Gretchen/Naked Wasted/Misspeaking saga: 17:03–21:48
• Why kids should (or shouldn’t) be on reality TV: 36:23–38:33
• Tamra discusses briefly quitting the show: 30:58–32:32
• Tamra’s dream cast for RHOC: 44:24–46:30

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Tone & Language

True to Jeff Lewis and Tamra Judge’s style, this episode is funny, biting, brutally honest, and full of expletives. The dialogue is casual, conversational, and gossipy, with guests trading jabs, venting, and exposing the personal costs of life in the reality-TV spotlight.

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For listeners seeking unfiltered revelations and real talk about the reality behind RHOC, this episode is can’t-miss. You get industry insight, personal vulnerability, and plenty of drama—all with Jeff’s signature sharp wit.

Transcript

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[Tamra Judge]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[Jeff Lewis]

This dementia is aggressive.

[Eddie Judge]

Really.

[Tamra Judge]

So is the drinking.

[Doug Buten]

You know, I've never been on a private plane before and I'm very.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you serious?

[Doug Buten]

No, never.

[Jeff Lewis]

What are you, a Martian?

[Tamra Judge]

You're really demented. You're actually demented. Aye yai yi. Jeff Lewis has Issues.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has Issues. In today's episode, Tamra Nitty Judge and Doug Buten join the show. We talk about psychiatrists misspe and the Real Housewives of Orange County. Good morning.

[Tamra Judge]

Good morning.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have to say it's nice to see Eddie since I haven't seen him in season 19 of Real Housewives of Orange County.

[Eddie Judge]

I'm still alive.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was wondering, I'm like, are you still two? Are you together?

[Tamra Judge]

I mean, it's so weird, right? I think we filmed like a million times and it's just not interesting. You know, they have my daughter now they have my daughter. So when we do stuff at home, she's a little bit more so sorry, babe. Interesting than you.

[Eddie Judge]

I have no problem with that.

[Tamra Judge]

He's like, he, you know, he hides from the camera as much as possible.

[Jeff Lewis]

Anyways, I think it's probably a good thing, right?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

For you not to be involved.

[Eddie Judge]

I'm okay with it.

[Tamra Judge]

He's not that house husband that's dying to be famous.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now. Tamara and I were arguing earlier because she said to me, I think I'm having a good season. And I said, are we Watching the same season because you're not having a good season.

[Doug Buten]

I walked out. This is your version of a good season.

[Tamra Judge]

Everyone was screaming at you when you walked out. I know. Okay, yes, that's very true. But I feel like I'm getting a lot of love. I'm getting a lot of love, a lot of support from people. I'm not getting, like, you wretched piece of shit. I'm not getting those kind of text DMs. I'm getting. I feel sorry for you. These girls aren't your friends. How can they be so mean to you? Like, you need to get off the show because you're better than this. Like, I'm getting those kind of DMs.

[Eddie Judge]

I'm getting the other ones for her.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're getting the ratchet ones.

[Eddie Judge]

I don't know where they're coming from, but, yeah, they're still out there.

[Jeff Lewis]

So, obviously, you know, Teddy Mallencamp is one of your best friends, and you were going through. Well, she was going through a lot at the time. Did you know about this before you started filming? So you were already committed to filming season 19?

[Tamra Judge]

I was already in it about two weeks when she got diagnosed.

[Jeff Lewis]

And it was there. I mean, obviously when it was all going down, I was thinking to myself, maybe you should step back because you're going through so much.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, I did. I quit mid season. Well, then I got a week off.

[Jeff Lewis]

Then we got to mid season, and then. You qu. Yes. But I also think. And I've talked to Alex Baskin at length about this, and this does include you, Eddie, I believe, and I've said this before, like, what you two have created with Vena, because I am lucky enough to be an ambassador with Vena. I know how well the company does and what you guys have built. I think it's crazy that we don't know anything about it.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. Well, here's one problem. So we have recently moved buildings. Our prior building in Irvine, they would not allow us to film in. So I'm hoping next season they will show a little bit more of that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, just fucking mention it.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh. Oh, trust me, I know.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, I know. I know what the business is worth. And, you know, from what I. From where I'm sitting, you are one of the most successful housewives in. Out of all the cities.

[Tamra Judge]

Thank you.

[Jeff Lewis]

The fact that. And then let's just talk about your podcast. Your podcast fucking network. I mean, what you've built is incredible. And I'm sorry they're choosing to spend the time filming Your therapy sessions.

[Tamra Judge]

Right. I mean, I only.

[Jeff Lewis]

What are we doing here?

[Tamra Judge]

Well, here's the thing.

[Producer/Assistant]

Let me get the file.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, I. My first filming, you know, they call you, okay, can we film you at your therapist? And I'm like, that's how I'm opening the season. Like, okay, so they filmed twice, but I feel like they're dragging them out. Like, they're taking little pieces from each one and, like, showing it throughout the season so far. And I don't mind it at all, but I do wish it was a little bit more balanced, where they do show me as a businesswoman and the things that I do. And I know that you talked about that on your radio show before.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have. And the thing is that this is another layer of all of this that I don't think people understand is that it wasn't just that you're. You know, you're going through this with one of your closest friends. You're obviously, like, incredibly sad and depressed. I was speaking to you on the phone. Every time I spoke to you on the phone, you were in the car driving from Orange county to Cedars Sinai to see Teddy. You're doing that while filming. You've got five podcasts a week that you're doing on your own now because Teddy's ill and you and Eddie are running Vena. And I just. That. That wasn't.

[Tamra Judge]

It was a lot. I was, like, literally having a mental breakdown. I wasn't eating. I wasn't sleeping. By the end of the season, I ended up weighing 108 pounds. My skin was just literally falling off of me, and I was just so sad. I was sad. You know, when somebody close to you is diagnosed with what Teddy was diagnosed with, it's. The unknown is horrible.

[Jeff Lewis]

How are you not sleeping with. I mean, you own Venus cbd. How are you not sleeping?

[Tamra Judge]

The stress was so bad. The stress.

[Eddie Judge]

I gotta say, though, going into this season, I warned her about doing this. It's too much. You probably should back off on something because it's gonna be way too much. I'm not gonna see you. And, you know, I support her 100% in any decision she makes, and I was proud of her. To take on this decision, you know, to take beast of filming five days a week and doing a podcast five days a week, having a husband, being a mom, you know, the laundry list of things that she was doing. And I was doing my best to keep the pieces together, but trust me, it was coming apart.

[Tamra Judge]

When you talk about sleep, so you have to understand, so you Know, it's not just with the podcast. Like, oh, I just get in front of microphone and that's it. No, I have to. You know, I get up in the morning, I go over my rundown, I do the podcast. Then from there, I would get ready, go film, film to who knows how long. Then at night, when I got home, I had to watch as many shows as I had to to recap for the following day. So it was like there was no time for me to sleep.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm. We all know how invested I am in Real Housewives of Orange County. I've watched from day one. I'm feeling slighted that. I don't know. I mean, I happen to be privy to it, but as a viewer, you know, even your podcast alone is huge. Like, over 2 million views per month. I just.

[Tamra Judge]

80, I think. 80 million downloads.

[Jeff Lewis]

How are we. How do we not know this?

[Tamra Judge]

Well, I think the problem with the podcast is it's kind of breaking the fourth wall. Because our podcast is about housewives. Now, I have filmed in my studio at my house. But are they gonna show it?

[Jeff Lewis]

But they are breaking the fourth wall all the time now.

[Tamra Judge]

I know it's just me. I just get the.

[Doug Buten]

But you don't cover ocean.

[Tamra Judge]

Bad end of the deal, I think, honestly.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, you are the show.

[Doug Buten]

You don't talk about OC on your podcast.

[Tamra Judge]

I do not. I do not. I don't know. I don't know. Can you talk to Alex Baskin about it, please?

[Jeff Lewis]

It's funny, because I did. Shane and I, we just spoke to him, and we were on the speakerphone, and we spent 15 minutes talking about Real Housewives Orange County.

[Tamra Judge]

Do you think maybe they don't want me to be successful?

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, he listened. He was quiet. I was like, what? It kind of went off a little bit. And, I mean, he really did listen.

[Tamra Judge]

Just recently.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. And we also talked about. Well, first of all, before I jump there, I think to myself, which I already know the answer. Why do this? Right? You looked fucking miserable. And at any point in time, you could say, this is too much.

[Tamra Judge]

I did.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you so much. Well, yeah, the way you handled it was different. You know what I mean? Versus having a phone call with the executives, having a phone call with Alex Baskin and Jen Levy.

[Tamra Judge]

Because I am a. I. When I have a job, I do it. I am committed to every job I have. If it's a podcast, if it's me working at Burger king when I'm 16 years old, I am committed. I'm a hard worker. So I thought, like, you know what, I can get through this. We had already been filming a couple weeks when I started when Teddy got diagnosed and that just really put like, you know, nail through my heart. And I was just so devastated. And on top of everything else, you know, it was definitely difficult. And I got to a point where I was overworked, I was depressed. I took a week off of the show. You know, you guys all saw how that happened. I talked to my therapist when I got home. I also talked to the show psychiatrist. So with the show psychiatrist, I had to do like a 500 question survey. Then she evaluated me and she's like, you're severely depressed. You have self worth problems.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't want to take that test. I hope they don't give me that test.

[Doug Buten]

They have a psychiatrist.

[Eddie Judge]

It's 500 questions.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Doug Buten]

Each of these shows has a psychiatrist that's different from your own therapist.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Doug Buten]

I didn't know that. Do you have to see them?

[Tamra Judge]

The psychiatrist calls us when the show starts and we have to take a phone call from her and she's like, just want to do a check in. How you doing? How you feeling? That's it. I'm here if you need me.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Doug Buten]

Did you have that on flipping out?

[Eddie Judge]

No, it's new.

[Tamra Judge]

We need that. I think they started that if this.

[Eddie Judge]

They just started that after flipping out as a result.

[Doug Buten]

The Jeff Lewis clause.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I'm curious because, you know, with everything else you have going on, you look at these shows and just let me ask you this because it's kind of the reason why I would consider doing it again is its exposure and a platform that feeds everything else. Right. So if you're unreal. Housewives of Orange county, it brings now listeners to the podcast network.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

It brings customers to venacbd.com make sure to use code, Jeff, by the way, because you'll get a big discount. So this is why, I'm guessing why you do it, because you just seemed really miserable.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, at the time I was really miserable. But the whole part of the show is showing your real life, you know.

[Jeff Lewis]

And they're not showing you real life.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, I know. Well, thank you.

[Eddie Judge]

Most of it. I mean, she has so much going on that it's hard to really pick and choose.

[Tamra Judge]

I mean, they, you know, they even don't have a husband at this point this season. I don't have a husband. I don't have a business. All I'm doing is crying and going to therapy.

[Eddie Judge]

Every year it seems like she gives them so much content. They start taking away the reality of her life, which is her business, her kids. Well, she couldn't film with the kids for a long time.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

And then, you know, very limited with us, you know, because there's no drama.

[Tamra Judge]

There's no. He always gets the rundown. Like, after something happens. Like, I always, like, sit with him and tell him, and he just looks at me like, do you think I give a flying.

[Jeff Lewis]

Maybe that's why they don't show. But it's nice that he's listens and he does protect you. I mean.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, 100%.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, especially like last season at Gina's. No, it was Katie's house. When you had a little too much to drink.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

He came in and. He came in and helped you out. Yeah, he was there. He didn't.

[Tamra Judge]

He was there.

[Jeff Lewis]

He didn't throw you to the wolves.

[Tamra Judge]

No, no. But afterwards, he, like, kind of beat himself up a little bit because he's like, I got too involved. You know, I shouldn't have hug him. Like, I just wanted to make things better and get out of here and all this stuff. And so it's one of those things where he's not 100% comfortable on camera. It's not his thing. Right.

[Doug Buten]

And you don't socialize with the other.

[Eddie Judge]

Husbands and son outside of the show. David Beador was.

[Tamra Judge]

Terry. You talked to Terry once a while. He's been on your podcast.

[Eddie Judge]

But we don't spend a lot of time.

[Tamra Judge]

No, we've gone. We've gone to dinner. Yeah.

[Eddie Judge]

Shane is cool.

[Tamra Judge]

Shane's cool.

[Eddie Judge]

Very cool.

[Jeff Lewis]

You seem to have alliance with Heather, and it seems like. I mean, I don't know if it's a show showmance.

[Tamra Judge]

No.

[Jeff Lewis]

Or if it's like a show friendship or historic friendship. But I actually, with everyone, you know, with all the discord going on.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I actually kind of welcomed the Heather Tamra alliance.

[Tamra Judge]

Are you okay with Heather now? I am okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. And I have to admit, she looks damn good in every scene. She looks great every scene, Every confessional. Like, she's very well put together.

[Eddie Judge]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

But I very much. I very much welcome. Okay. The one thing I'm gonna tell Shannon. I am gonna tell Shannon there is a scene in New Orleans, I think it was, where it was like, first thing in the morning and she hadn't brushed her hair.

[Tamra Judge]

And Emily's like, it was like that all season.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm like, shannon, what are you doing?

[Tamra Judge]

No, it's like. I mean, it's kind of funny.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm Gonna tell her.

[Tamra Judge]

But honestly, me and Emily, I don't know if they're gonna show, but we have a conversation coming up where Emily brings it up.

[Doug Buten]

Like, Shannon's.

[Tamra Judge]

About Shannon's hot mess. She's a hot mess all the time.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's so funny. I do want to mention. So in New Orleans, and I know Shane and Doug, you watched the episode. Gina was a lot. She was loud. That accent was really put on.

[Tamra Judge]

It's funny how the accent comes and goes.

[Jeff Lewis]

It really does. And it's. She was a lot. But then I thought, well, maybe we need. Maybe we need her to move this. Move things along.

[Producer/Assistant]

I didn't mention her, like, taking charge at the table and kind of, like, leading a conversation a little bit. I mean, it was just kind of like all these voices at once. We needed someone to be like, what the fuck's going on?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, she served her purpose. But, yeah, I mean, I just. When she gets loud with the accent, I just get. I just hit mute.

[Doug Buten]

You have a low threshold for that, though.

[Jeff Lewis]

I do.

[Doug Buten]

You have. Lower than many other people.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're right. So you're right.

[Tamra Judge]

You know, and the part I didn't understand, it was the next day after I left. Like, the Tamra bashing, when they know. Like, I would expect it from Jen and Gretchen and Shannon. Whatever. Have at it, girls. I don't really care, but my closest friends on the show are Gina, Emily. You know, Emily has a podcast on my network.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know. I was gonna ask.

[Tamra Judge]

And Heather, like, the. Like, you know, Heather said that I was selfish. Whatever. I don't care. I don't know. I don't understand that. But the other one's just, like, really, too. Went at me. Burton, Ernie. Went at me bad.

[Jeff Lewis]

Bert and Ernie. I don't. I wouldn't think. I don't think Heather came for you.

[Tamra Judge]

No, Heather did not come for you.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think she was. She didn't like the way that you had behaved in the restaurant. And I think it's. I mean, honestly, I think a good friend can tell you for sure.

[Tamra Judge]

And that's the one thing about our friendship is she can tell me that, and she. And we can get over it, and we can move forward. The Emily and Gina stuff. Like, I'm like, wait, what have I ever done to you to have you say these comments that you're saying about me? Like, I've always had a great relationship with you and Emily as well. Like, why are you doing this? Is it performative? Are you doing it for good tv or you're doing It. Because that's really how you feel about me.

[Jeff Lewis]

So she has a podcast on your network?

[Tamra Judge]

Emily does, yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, we don't have to renew it. We can replace her.

[Tamra Judge]

I get a percentage of that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Mid season.

[Tamra Judge]

I get a percentage of that. No. And it's doing well. It's doing well.

[Jeff Lewis]

Who's she on there?

[Tamra Judge]

It's Legally Blonde with Shane. They talk about legal stuff.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I like Shane. Yeah, he's been on this show many times.

[Doug Buten]

He's a good guy.

[Tamra Judge]

He's a cool dude.

[Doug Buten]

I was gonna say you had. Also in that episode, you and Shannon had this detente. You guys were like, we can just coexist. We're gonna be fun.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, we had fun. Like, actually, what you guys didn't see is after that whole Gretchen exposing, like, she did go to the hospital.

[Jeff Lewis]

We gotta talk about this.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay. Let me tell you what truly happened.

[Jeff Lewis]

Please.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay, so we're sitting. The three of us are sitting out there. This is when Gretchen says to Shannon, well, you know, a DUI is illegal too. Do you remember that scene?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, I asked Gretchen point blank. I said, did you go to the hospital? And she goes, yes. And I go, why? And she goes, cause I didn't feel well. And I'm like, you spent the night at my house that night.

[Doug Buten]

This is 17 years ago.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, 17 years ago.

[Doug Buten]

Naked, wasted. For everybody who's been.

[Tamra Judge]

But this is at the park. When I initially bring it up, they didn't show it. They show later a second time, she says that she went to the hospital in the car. And now I hear she went on McDonald's podcast and said, I misspoke.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, even on the show, we were confused because she's like, I. Okay, so she said, I went to the hospital. I didn't go to the hospital. I thought about going to the hospital. I should have to go to the hospital. We were rewinding because I didn't know.

[Eddie Judge]

You know what that's called? It's called lying.

[Tamra Judge]

It's called lying.

[Jeff Lewis]

It does look like lying.

[Tamra Judge]

It is lying.

[Doug Buten]

It changed a lot.

[Tamra Judge]

She's like, I misspoke. Tamara's misspoke. Like, that's always her go to. To deflect on somebody else. I'm like, girl, when someone asks you to your face, did you go to the hospital? And you go, yeah, I did. Why? Because I didn't feel well. That's not misspeaking?

[Producer/Assistant]

No. Well, and then to say again in the car, she said, I did go to the hospital. Like, she said it.

[Tamra Judge]

And then there's like conversations that were going on. Text messages between Matt and Slade.

[Doug Buten]

Matt, Katie's husband.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, it's Slade. It freaked out. 911-911-911, you have to call me. You have to call me. Gets on the phone, they have a conversation. And yeah, there's more text messages that I hope that are going to be shown on the show.

[Jeff Lewis]

And that is. So I'm guessing that it. At that mastro's dinner, Gretchen tells the story, Katie leaks it.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, I don't even think Katie leaked it. I think. Well, I think what happened. And she to this day says that she never had this conversation with Kiki. And that's where she. She was having lunch with Kiki. And they were just. This is. Well, way before Gretchen was ever announced to come back or even knew she was coming back. This is how long ago it was like last October or something like that. That's when they went to dinner. And then Gretchen has a habit. Gretchen Slayton have a habit. And even Gina will tell you met her. And all they do is talk shit about me. Tamara did this, and Tamara does that, and she's evil, and she's. That. It's like an obsession for the past 12 years. An obsession. So she did this, and then Katie was having lunch with Kiki, and it's like, you know, what the hell? Like, she said, she went to the hospital. She went to the hospital. Tamara drugged her. And then Slade was saying, you can't repeat this. Bravo will get mad. You guys will get fired. All these things Katie's telling me. And I'm like, so are you trying to protect yourself in the sense that you don't want to get fired or you don't want to get sued? Because I literally could file a lawsuit against her.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right?

[Tamra Judge]

To say. I mean, there's. Who was it? It was Phaedra got fired for doing something very similar, and there was a lawsuit.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think we've all, at one time or another, you know, had a late night and thought we got drugged. But we weren't drugged. We were just drunk.

[Tamra Judge]

We were just drunk.

[Jeff Lewis]

We were drunk. And I should have had some more to eat. And I mixed and I shocked.

[Tamra Judge]

I think this could be a very expensive lesson for her because she is constantly just saying such slanderous lies about me. I have a girl that reached out to me recently that I met a year ago at a wedding. And then she. When all this stuff came on, she's like, I gotta tell you something. What? She's like, when I met Gretchen, she told me that you hired a Stalker to follow her. I go, what are you talking about? Like, I'm always hearing these stories. Just lies, lies, lies. There. Since she's been off the show, it's been her duty to just go after me and Eddie.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, I feel really bad for Katie because, I mean, all she did was repeat what Gretchen had told her at Mastro's. It sounds like.

[Tamra Judge]

Right, right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Isn't Kiki Monique on Tomorrow?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Well, get the low down. Kiki's on this week's episode. Yes, and she brings the truth out to Gretchen. But I hear there's some bad acting with Gretchen.

[Eddie Judge]

It's beginning to sound like that scene back in Vicky's house with Gretchen, Vicky and Ricky trying to, oh, say that you're gay. Remember that?

[Doug Buten]

I do remember.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm surprised there hasn't been a flashback of that.

[Doug Buten]

She also said, like, what she's saying, Gretchen is saying is that you roofied her that 17 years ago or whatever. I mean, it is so weird. For those of us who've watched OC since the very beginning, we remember naked, wasted, and her. Didn't she make out with Gina's son, My son? Oh, was your son in the bathroom?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, but they tried. The way they, you know, like, read it, and everybody tried to make it is like, oh, I did this. So, you know, she'll get naked and my son. Son will get like, gross. Who would even think that? That is so.

[Doug Buten]

Well, it was funny.

[Tamra Judge]

Gross. And the fact it's not funny, I don't think that's funny at all.

[Eddie Judge]

Well, there's people that would actually do that.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, maybe. She'd probably do it. That's why she thinks that way. But Gina Keough was the one that said to Ryan, my son, can you take her to the bathroom?

[Doug Buten]

That's right.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Gina Keough is the one. She even, like in Andy's book. It's in there. Or the Bravo book. And it was nothing. It wasn't. I even said Ryan's like, oh, I can drive her home. I'm like, no, you're not driving her home. Nope. So it was like, stop. She spent the night. Yeah, she spent the night. But she tries to push the narrative that I did something horrible.

[Doug Buten]

Right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Can I ask you.

[Tamra Judge]

I want to get you naked waisted.

[Jeff Lewis]

Gina in New Orleans. Gina in New Orleans said that she had called, I guess another journalist to confirm.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Who is that? Dave Quinn. Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Producer/Assistant]

But how would he even confirm this lunch that he wasn't at.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay, do you want to know what happened? Yeah. Okay, so Gretchen's announced, okay, Jacques from the Daily Mail, who I've known for years. He's like, can you call me? And I'm like, sure, send me your number. Call him. I'm like, what's do I want to know what's going on? He's like, I just want to let you know that Kiki and Katie went to lunch after the reunion, and this is what was said. And I want you to know this because Gretchen's coming back, and maybe she's gonna hit you with this. And I go, okay, thanks. I didn't really. I'm like, I've known all these crazy stories she said about me, so I didn't really think that much about it. I'm like, whatever. What a douche. And then Dave Quinn went to dinner or lunch with Kiki, and I had told nobody this information. I don't even know if I told you no. And Dave Quinn went. And Dave called me and said, I gotta tell you something. This is, like, bad. And I go, I've already heard it. So after I heard the second time, I'm like, oh, shit, this is getting around. So I was, like, keeping it in my back pocket and keeping my back pocket. And me and Gretchen were getting to a point where we were, you know, being around each other and everything was fine. So then I. I asked her. I wanted to see her, look her in the face and. And say, did you say this?

[Jeff Lewis]

Why is Katie not saying. Confronting Gretchen and saying, I, yes, I did repeat what you said, but this is what you said.

[Tamra Judge]

I think that we might get there.

[Jeff Lewis]

I hope so, because I feel bad for Katie.

[Tamra Judge]

I think the world feels bad for Katie. I think Katie's got a death of a thousand paper cuts right now.

[Eddie Judge]

I haven't watched the show, but listening to this. Katie is not the victim because she did the exact same thing last season. She went in hard on Heather with no real proof, and she was trying to make her mark. So Kiki's willing. Katie's willing to do anything to be highlighted on the show. And what she did this season, I don't know.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, she's so pretty, by the way.

[Tamra Judge]

She's beautiful.

[Jeff Lewis]

I love looking at her on camera.

[Tamra Judge]

She is beautiful.

[Jeff Lewis]

I hope they don't get rid of her.

[Tamra Judge]

And I like the way she style. She's very. Yes, she's very soft spoken. Yeah.

[Doug Buten]

Didn't she record. Was it Katie who recorded Shannon?

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, God. Shannon's recorded everybody, so who cares?

[Doug Buten]

Okay, reel it in, Tamra. I'm just asking the question.

[Tamra Judge]

Ask Vicki about that.

[Doug Buten]

She filmed Vicky asking the question. But I also wanna.

[Jeff Lewis]

Katie, also I want to point out Kiki, who hosts Reality Checked on radio. Andy addressed this on Monday's episode of Reality Check.

[Tamra Judge]

So if you're looking near her point.

[Jeff Lewis]

Of view, she talked about it on Monday.

[Tamra Judge]

And by the way, guys, why would we do that?

[Jeff Lewis]

Why would they do that when we're gonna have her on our show tomorrow?

[Tamra Judge]

You can do that as well.

[Jeff Lewis]

She doesn't know. You don't need to go to that show. Come to this show tomorrow.

[Doug Buten]

Don't look back, look forward.

[Tamra Judge]

Don't you guys stop coming for Kiki. She didn't do anything wrong. Like, she's not like one of like, first of all, she's not a blogger.

[Doug Buten]

Yeah, Kiki, Mona.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, of course she's not a blogger. I know that I even said blogger because that's just the word that's been out there for a decade.

[Doug Buten]

That probably hurt her.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. Yeah, well, she's a journalist and she's. I mean she's very smart.

[Jeff Lewis]

So am I.

[Doug Buten]

She's a radio host.

[Tamra Judge]

She's a radio host.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's a thirsty radio host, just like me.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh my God.

[Doug Buten]

Who's gonna replace Kiki? Let's get a replacement for Kiki for tomorrow.

[Jeff Lewis]

I like her.

[Tamra Judge]

No, I think she's great. I think she. I've seen like she's gotten a little bit of shit like, oh, you came on just to steer problems. That's not what she did called on. She was called to come on.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I've been on there to stir up problems.

[Tamra Judge]

You are a problem.

[Jeff Lewis]

And that's my objective.

[Tamra Judge]

You know you're a problem. When two exes are going to get married over trauma.

[Jeff Lewis]

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[Tamra Judge]

I noticed.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I've told all the producers, I want you to start cutting his mic because we don't want to hear Doug sing.

[Doug Buten]

I don't always sing.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you can try to sing all you want, but your mic doesn't work.

[Doug Buten]

I was lip syncing.

[Tamra Judge]

I feel like Doug has a good voice.

[Doug Buten]

Thank you.

[Tamra Judge]

You were. Remember Save it for Carrie. He was part of the Trace Amiga.

[Jeff Lewis]

The last time I stepped Louis Live.

[Doug Buten]

The last time I saw Tamara, she left me in Phoenix. She was like, see you next week in Cleveland. Haven't seen Tamra since.

[Eddie Judge]

Do you remember what happened to Inni Vanilli?

[Doug Buten]

Oh, I do.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Was this Trace Amigas? E. Doug?

[Tamra Judge]

That's right. Yeah. So Trace Amigas, we. I did how many shows with you, Doug?

[Doug Buten]

We did a few in Phoenix.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Doug Buten]

Somewhere else, I think.

[Tamra Judge]

Yep.

[Doug Buten]

And then, Then, Then you quit.

[Tamra Judge]

Then I quit. Yeah, I quit.

[Producer/Assistant]

Establishing a pattern here.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, you know, when something doesn't suit me, if it doesn't benefit me enough, then I quit.

[Doug Buten]

But we had fun. We had a great time.

[Tamra Judge]

In fact, I quit right now.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's gonna run.

[Doug Buten]

She's gonna run. This ain't Bali.

[Tamra Judge]

I run into Bali.

[Jeff Lewis]

Let's talk about quitting for a second. So mid season you stormed out of the restaurant in New Orleans. I believe you went home, you stopped filming for a week.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

What happened to change your mind?

[Tamra Judge]

Well, phone calls that I got from network.

[Jeff Lewis]

The Xanax wore off.

[Tamra Judge]

Xanax wore off. Popped Adderall and said, let's get this bitch back to work. No.

[Eddie Judge]

So what a Sex and Big Bear.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, there you go. We did. That was true. So basically what happened was I was just. I was gonna have a nervous breakdown. I was just doing too much. I felt like I didn't really have any true friends on the show. Nobody was like, you know, it was like, if I got a dui, everybody be like, oh, poor you. Oh, my God, let me, like, hug you. And I'm not exactly the person that shows my emotion, you know, I'm not like, poor me. Like, I don't play victim. Like, oh, I'm so sad. I was just sad, and I wasn't being myself. And I felt like the girls were just kind of poking at me, like.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, I felt Heather. Heather had your back.

[Tamra Judge]

Heather had my back.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you did have at least one person.

[Tamra Judge]

I had one person that had my back, but I just felt like, you know, I have. I have the Tamara Hayer club. I got the Jen, the Gretchen, and the Shannon, and then my three friends that I thought were my good friends. I felt like I was being poked at all the time. And I'm like, guys, like, this isn't cool. Like, And I was just sad. I was freaking sad.

[Jeff Lewis]

I find that the OGs like yourself and Heather have less to prove. Right? So you're a little more. You kind of, like, there's some security there. You know, you're not going to get fired. And then the newer girls have to prove themselves, right, or they have to continue to stay relevant. And, you know, there might be storylines that maybe aren't true or maybe fabricated.

[Tamra Judge]

Or I don't mind moving storyline. And I think that Gina and Emily are doing a good job at that. I can't do it all the time. And this year, I was not able to. Like, I was literally just a shell of a human being for the first half of the show. So I quit. I get the calls. You know what, Tamara? Take a week off. Tell me how you feel in a week if you really understand what you're going through. Alex knows Teddi. You know, Andy knows Teddi. So take a week off. Let us know how you feel after that week week. Go to Big Bear. Go do whatever. Don't. And. And even Alex said he's like, don't work. Like, I know you're overworked. Like, can you not do your podcast? And I'm like, no. Like, I have to do that. I really. I enjoy that. So after the week was up, I talked with Alex, and I Said, okay, I will go back. Because Teddy told me, you're not a quitter, you're not a quitter, you're not quitting.

[Jeff Lewis]

So these are my concerns, which I told Alex about. You have a housewife first year.

[Tamra Judge]

Why are you meddling?

[Doug Buten]

Oh, I'm sorry. Tamara, this is Jeff Lewis.

[Tamra Judge]

Are you a producer now?

[Jeff Lewis]

I know I kind of, I'm a self appointed producer. First season, you know, they get whatever, 50 grand. And the second season they get 125 grand. And then third season they get 250 grand. Fourth season they get five grand. All I'm saying is when you start to get to that half a million dollars, you become a, that becomes your career, a housewife. So the people that have maybe they had this job at $175,000 or $200,000 a year, they start weighing it and they say, well, I don't really need to keep this job anymore because I'm a housewife and I make, I'm getting.

[Tamra Judge]

Out, I make a lot of money. I shouldn't give you.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I'm not talking about you. And now I make half a million dollars a year. So I'm gonna give up my job, give up my career.

[Tamra Judge]

No, no.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I'm gonna be a housewife. But here's the problem. I now have nothing to fucking offer. There's nothing going on. There's no content. So now I've got to create storylines or the only storyline I have is either really fucking boring.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Or it's exploitive.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, first of all, not everybody has something huge going on in their life every single season. I mean, of course, like Emily's going through some stuff with her son, which.

[Jeff Lewis]

We can talk about.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. And then, you know, what I'm going through with, you know, I thought it was just gonna be therapy, but then it turned into, you know, just being full on depressed with Teddi. And you know, not everybody has a big storyline every single season.

[Jeff Lewis]

So all I will say is that after 11 seasons of flipping out, what I did was I stayed as busy as possible. I was overbooked, and I brought as many people into my life as possible.

[Tamra Judge]

That's what I do now.

[Jeff Lewis]

Overbooked.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't know about the people, I don't really like people, but I just try to really keep busy all the time. And for housewives, quit their job or do not do anything with their platform. It's a shame because you have this platform. It's not going to be around. Housewives is not a career.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Tamra Judge]

It can end at Any given moment.

[Eddie Judge]

Not all of them get it.

[Jeff Lewis]

So let's just say, even if it's a $65,000 a year job and now you're making half a million from Bravo, you have to keep the $65,000 a year job because that is what is providing content for the viewers. So I really like Emily Simpson and Shane Simpson.

[Tamra Judge]

Me, too.

[Jeff Lewis]

I really do. They've been on the show several times. I invited them to Pelican Hill. The kids played with Monroe.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm so glad I was invited.

[Jeff Lewis]

The kids played with Monroe. It was like. I mean, those kids are adorable. Yes, I am very bothered, and maybe it's. I don't know why it's triggering to me, but I'm very bothered by this season's storyline of, you know, the son is having, you know, problems with eating, and then she's.

[Tamra Judge]

Now do you think that, like, it shouldn't be shown?

[Jeff Lewis]

Correct. And I also. They were talking about what, you know, a lot about this. This. She's saying that it could be autistic, but it's. But the diagnosis is pending, but she's putting it out there. And I honestly, like, Gage does not want Monroe on TV at all. And I was kind of like, I'm not sure. I was wavering back and forth, you know, if I protect it in certain scenes and this and that. After watching that, I don't want Monroe on any TV show.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, No, I don't disagree with you. I fought Simon for so many years to have the kids on the show when they were minors. And I'll tell you right now, me and Sophia had this conversation and I said, thank God. Thank God you did not grow up on this show.

[Doug Buten]

But as a viewer, on the flip side, I think it maybe is really valuable because so many parents.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. And that's the flip side of it.

[Doug Buten]

And so there is a great value. Maybe you don't show the child, but them talking about it, I think it puts a big light on that.

[Tamra Judge]

It helps a lot of people for sure. But there's that fine line of, you know, child out there.

[Doug Buten]

It could also just be one facet of it. I'm remembering Heather. What's her name? Heather on Real Housewives of New York, Remember her son with the hearing and like, you know, they spent a lot of time on that, but apparently that found a cure because so much attention was put on it. So I just feel like I just.

[Jeff Lewis]

Worry about this kid growing up.

[Tamra Judge]

Growing up.

[Doug Buten]

Yeah, because he doesn't necessarily.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, you threw out the word autism, which we don't even know if he's autistic. And even, by the way, she gets a little hysterical in scene. And Shane, you can tell Shane's not buying it. He's like, all kids have problems eating. You know, I mean, I'm dealing with Monroe.

[Tamra Judge]

I've even said, like, I wouldn't even hire anybody or have evaluation done. I mean, I think that it's a brave thing for her to do. I don't know if it's going to backfire. All I know is, like, Sophia, when she was on it, too, and she screamed at the top of the stairs, there's a booger in my milk. She still, to this day, is, like, mortified about it. She's like, I can't believe that people know that. And I mean, so it's hard with kids.

[Jeff Lewis]

I do want to point out, though, because I'm sure I'm going to get some hate on this. I talk about Monroe on the radio all day long. So what's the difference? I control the narrative. That's the difference. There's no editor after this. There's no Jameson going to twist things around and put certain things in and, you know, and take certain things out. I explain the whole story, but I will tell you. And look, I'm not minimizing what she's going through.

[Tamra Judge]

Not at all.

[Jeff Lewis]

We just went through this whole thing of Monroe not eating and having food issues and all of that, and it's very, very normal. And we. We did adjust some things and now she's eating. But there was no point in time where I was like, I got to get her tested for autism.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Or I thought that she had a knee eating disorder. I'm just thinking it's. It's a lot. Well, maybe if she was working, maybe we wouldn't be focusing on if she.

[Doug Buten]

If she. If that wasn't her only story. That's all we see about that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Doug Buten]

As a couple. Well, if they have jobs.

[Tamra Judge]

I mean, here's the thing. Like, you know, it's a brave thing to do. And we are on a reality show to show our real life and what is going on. And it truly was something that was going on. And really, you know, as you will see as the show goes on, she's really sad, and I didn't even know about this situation till, like, this week's episode. And then, you know, as time goes on, she's revealing more and she's very distraught and she's very upset about it. So I have compassion for her, even though she didn't have any for me? I have great compassion for her, but when it comes to your character, it's a difficult decision. Do you put it on? Do you not put it on? Is it gonna affect them long term? Is it. You know, it's a choice.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Doug Buten]

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[Tamra Judge]

Okay.

[Doug Buten]

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[Producer/Assistant]

And you can combine code Jeff with the Labor Day sale and get 42% off.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, good job.

[Producer/Assistant]

So, you know, check it out.

[Jeff Lewis]

Lisa in California, line four has a question for you. Tamara. Hi, Lisa.

[Caller]

Oh, hi, everyone.

[Tamra Judge]

Hi, Lisa.

[Caller]

Tamara, you know, I've called before and asked about this of Tracy Tudor, and she was like, oh, no, I didn't have to negotiate that. Do you think maybe I feel that you're a big enough person star now that they didn't have to do that Bethany clause?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. No, I don't.

[Caller]

That's why they're not showing your businesses.

[Tamra Judge]

It could be I don't have the Bethany clause. That's actually a real thing. But, no, they don't own a part of my business, and therefore, maybe, like people have said, maybe that's why they don't show it. There wasn't the very beginning that that CBD and THC maybe wasn't, like, legal to show, but now things have changed.

[Producer/Assistant]

Terry smoking weed on the party.

[Tamra Judge]

Terry smoking weed on the party. Yeah. You know, I mean, I'm hoping next season they will show our business and how successful it is.

[Doug Buten]

I hadn't thought of that. And that does sound like a good point. You know, like Crystal, for example, when she came on and she has this whole coconut water business that they completely never showed business.

[Tamra Judge]

But you know what? I know, and I think maybe because Veena is a huge business, and I'm very proud that between my podcast and Veena, they're both extremely successful. And I didn't use the show. I didn't use the show, but I did have the platform, and people follow me on social media because of the show.

[Jeff Lewis]

So thank you, Lisa. That was a great question.

[Tamra Judge]

Thank you, Lisa.

[Jeff Lewis]

What's going on with Alexis? Cause I read today that she's coming back for season 20. No. Is that a rumor?

[Tamra Judge]

You read that?

[Jeff Lewis]

I read it.

[Tamra Judge]

It's a rumor I haven't heard.

[Jeff Lewis]

Probably put out by some sort of blogger, some journalist blogger.

[Tamra Judge]

I haven't heard that. Alexis never talks about the show to me, ever. She is now recapping with Carlos King. So that's the only time I hear her talk about the show. But I think it'd be great to have her back. I think having her back where? You know, Shannon isn't just coming off a DUI and breaking up with her new husband.

[Jeff Lewis]

So it could be interesting.

[Tamra Judge]

Are you invited to the wedding?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I'm not. Yeah, no, I'm not. I think it could be interesting. I don't think Shannon would be very happy about it, but to show how they can kind of evolve together, like.

[Tamra Judge]

Moving forward, I. I will tell you this. Alexis did not look good last year, I'll tell you that. I know that for sure. But out of all of my friends, she is the kindest, most supportive, checks on me all the time, and if I say something, she'll say no. Tamara, I don't agree with you. I don't think that's the right way to handle something. She's that friend. She's that good of a friend.

[Jeff Lewis]

Like, you were at her bridal show.

[Tamra Judge]

I was at a bridal shop.

[Jeff Lewis]

What'd you get her? Veena?

[Tamra Judge]

Venus?

[Jeff Lewis]

Cbd. Use code Jeff.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. I got her seltzer, wine glasses and cheese board and napkins and things like that. I'm invited to the or were invited. I haven't told you yet. To the rehearsal dinner.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wow, that's big.

[Doug Buten]

Did you have to choose an entree in advance? That's a thing?

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, I don't think so.

[Doug Buten]

Oh, okay.

[Tamra Judge]

No.

[Doug Buten]

Have you gotten those invites where they're like, are you going to want chicken or steak four months from now?

[Tamra Judge]

I mean, it's good if you don't eat red meat. Like you get a choice. I don't know.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know you do all those pre order stuff like on the airplane. I never know what I want.

[Doug Buten]

Well, that's what I got an invitation to a wedding that is months from now. And it said, will you like the stuffed chicken or the salmon? And I wrote back, I don't know what I'm gonna want four months from now.

[Tamra Judge]

Why are you problematic?

[Jeff Lewis]

He'll talk about it for four months, though. Pick one he'll talk about for. He can't. There's a lot of options to weigh with Real Housewives of Orange County. And I talked to again, Alex about this.

[Tamra Judge]

What the hell?

[Jeff Lewis]

A lot of people are not getting along right. So as a result, it's less fun for the viewers.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

What do you propose next season? If you're in charge, you're casting, you're recasting. You can bring anybody back from the past. You can bring somebody new. What's your dream team?

[Tamra Judge]

Well, I mean, I hate to answer this question because I hate to fire anybody because most of These girls on the show don't have.

[Jeff Lewis]

You can make people friends. Make them friends.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

And that's not your fault. They don't have jobs.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, that's their fault. I would drop Shannon to a friend because she doesn't really have anything going on in her life. She's not married. She doesn't have kids at home, you know, doesn't have a business, doesn't own a home, none of that stuff. I think drop her as a friend.

[Eddie Judge]

And she's not married. She's not a husband.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. So keep Heather, obviously. Keep Gina. Keep Emily. Um, I think that Gretchen needs to go, and I think Jen needs. I don't know. I think Jen's actually doing a better job this season. So maybe keep Jen and then bring in some. Two really strong personalities. Vicki, Vicky.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I like Vicky.

[Tamra Judge]

I mean, even Vicki.

[Jeff Lewis]

Would you ever bring Kelly back?

[Tamra Judge]

Um, I don't think that they would.

[Jeff Lewis]

Would you?

[Tamra Judge]

Would I?

[Doug Buten]

No.

[Tamra Judge]

No. Just because you know what? She crosses a line in so many ways and says such horrible like. Like, I'm surprised the girl hasn't been sued. She says horrible things about people. Horrible. I mean, all that.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's funny, and she did stir it up.

[Tamra Judge]

See, this is the thing. There's, like, two sides to her, you know, And. And I was pretty close with her off season when we both got fired. We would talk on the phone and text and things like that. We weren't hanging out or anything. I haven't seen her since she filmed. And then she went on her podcast and said something horrible. She said something about Eddie, and I can't even remember. It was so long ago. And then I was at Bravocon, and I'm like, what the hell, right? And then somebody in the audience said, like, you know, f. Kelly. And I go, you said it like that. And now she hates me. Like. Like that's all she does is talk about me and Heather.

[Jeff Lewis]

But can I tell you, it's crazy with her. If you call her or sit with her, she will listen.

[Tamra Judge]

I agree.

[Jeff Lewis]

You can talk through things with her, unlike Shannon sounds like. And she doesn't hold a grudge. Like, she'll let it go.

[Tamra Judge]

Vicki's like that, too.

[Jeff Lewis]

She'll let it go.

[Tamra Judge]

And that's what a good housewife would do.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, that's the thing.

[Tamra Judge]

If she stopped talking shit about me, maybe I'll bring her.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, maybe you should. Well, maybe there should be some sort of reconciliation lunch and. And. And have a conversation with her. She would. She. I think she would.

[Doug Buten]

Just to have. I Think that would be nice. And the thing with Vicki, you know that you were saying earlier, like, look at Vicki has never gotten rid of her day job. Right. She's still.

[Tamra Judge]

See, that's why I do have respect for Vicky.

[Doug Buten]

It's amazing.

[Tamra Judge]

She's a hustler and she works her ass off and this is just something she did on the side. Um, Vicki is good tv. Me and Vicki are good tv.

[Jeff Lewis]

And Shannon, you, Vicki and Shannon, you guys were great.

[Tamra Judge]

She's a friend now.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. But you guys were great together.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, no, I think we were too. But she won't move on. And that's where you, you know, to be a good housewife, it's conflict and resolution, right?

[Jeff Lewis]

Correct.

[Tamra Judge]

If you can't resolve things and you're still talking about things from 17 years ago or last year, you're not good.

[Eddie Judge]

Boring.

[Tamra Judge]

Boring.

[Doug Buten]

It just dredges it off.

[Tamra Judge]

Just move on, you know?

[Jeff Lewis]

Let's take, take Becky in Kentucky, line four. Hi, Becky.

[Caller]

Hi, chomps. How are you?

[Jeff Lewis]

Great, thank you.

[Tamra Judge]

Hi, Becky.

[Caller]

Hi. Big fan. Camera. Hey, I got a quick question for you about the vena cbd. Is that sugar that's on the outside of them?

[Tamra Judge]

It is. Do you not like sugar?

[Caller]

Well, I just, you know, I take it at night. I'm like, Jeff, love, love, love the night ones. But you know, I feel like getting them sugar bugs in our teeth at night before we go to bed.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, good call.

[Caller]

Maybe with. Without the sugar. Yeah, but it be better for us.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, the taste. About the taste. With the thc, sometimes you can.

[Jeff Lewis]

I like the sugar. Becky, don't take our sugar away.

[Tamra Judge]

Becky, I agree with you.

[Doug Buten]

After, they're going to stick together.

[Producer/Assistant]

Do a little mouthful washback.

[Doug Buten]

If you don't do sugar, they're gonna stick together. And it's just a teeny.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, I never thought about that.

[Doug Buten]

That's why, that's why we food people do that.

[Jeff Lewis]

I take it an hour before I go to bed and I brush my teeth after I take the gummy.

[Caller]

You're right, Jeff. I'm just a mama and a grandma who worries about tea.

[Tamra Judge]

No, but Becky, if there's anything that you would like to see us create, let us know, because we're. We're open. We're at a point.

[Eddie Judge]

We're open for ideas.

[Tamra Judge]

We're open for ideas. And. And by the way, our. Our seltzers are back in stock. So. Guys, I'm so excited.

[Caller]

Love it. Can't wait to try those.

[Jeff Lewis]

If you use code, Jeff, it's 30% off. And then what Were you saying about. No, it's 20% off. But then with the Labor Day sale.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah, okay, so the Happy Tonic Seltzers are back in stock. And then if they are having their Labor Day sale right now, if you use code Jeff, you can combine them and get up to 42% off.

[Tamra Judge]

Just don't combine them with Xanax. I'm just telling you that right now it's not a good idea.

[Doug Buten]

That was me during lockdown.

[Eddie Judge]

You know, we also have a tincture that doesn't have sugar in it. It's just MCT oil and cbd. Yeah, so you don't have to just stick to gummies.

[Doug Buten]

Yeah, I like the tea, don't you?

[Tamra Judge]

We have different gummies too.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know, but I gotta. I need the thc. Yeah, I tried just the straight up CBD and it didn't work for me.

[Tamra Judge]

All of them have thc and all our gummies do.

[Eddie Judge]

They're all full spectrum.

[Tamra Judge]

Most of our stuff now is all full spectrum.

[Jeff Lewis]

But you know what's weird, Tamara, is that I went to the lights out for a while, and then I went for. First I started with the two and a half, the night bites. Then I had to go to lights out. But now I'm back to the two and a half again. So maybe it was just a weird time in my life where I needed extra, extra, but now I'm back.

[Eddie Judge]

Yep. Well, that's how your body regulates it. You know, it's just sometimes you need more and sometimes you need less.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you, Becky.

[Tamra Judge]

Thanks, Becky.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so let's take Traci in Main Line 8.

[Tamra Judge]

Howard in Boston.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, Tracy.

[Caller]

Hey. Shout out, Shane.

[Tamra Judge]

Shout out, Trace.

[Caller]

I just wanted to add something about Shannon because, you know, she's getting a little bit of a bad rap right now. But there are certain times when I watch her, I feel like I'm watching Lucille Ball. I. I think she is freaking hilarious. And for me, she has so much humor at times. So I. I hope she. She sticks around. That's all I want.

[Jeff Lewis]

I agree. Shannon is very funny.

[Tamra Judge]

She'll stick around. I. I think some people think it's a little bit of a shtick, you know, like, okay, every time that open a door and your arms are flying and you can't sit, you know, or you do something, you fall down like, it's a little sticky.

[Jeff Lewis]

But she's a mess. I mean, you know her in real life, she is a hot mess like.

[Producer/Assistant]

That all the time.

[Jeff Lewis]

And she is funny.

[Tamra Judge]

If she would just move forward with me, like somebody on here said in Boston. I think that that would be better.

[Jeff Lewis]

I would love that.

[Tamra Judge]

I mean there's.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'd love for you guys to be friends again.

[Tamra Judge]

She knows she's holding on to last year and you know, yes, I was hard on her last year, but people didn't know is we had a falling out before we started filming. That's why I stopped Trace Amigas. She was, did said some pretty shitty things about me. So then when, you know, I was there for her after her DUI, we went to BravoCon. We were on the press line. She thanked me and Vicki for being there for her. And now we, you know, something happens after that, right for the holidays. And you know, I still love her. I, you know, you must have years.

[Jeff Lewis]

Of history of injury.

[Tamra Judge]

Years. That's what it's so like, I think hurtful too for me to go back and not have her move forward because she knows my heart.

[Jeff Lewis]

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