Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge: “RHOC” & Health Update

Summary

Podcast Summary: Jeff Lewis Has Issues - "Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge: 'RHOC' & Health Update"

Host: Jeff Lewis
Guests: Teddi Mellencamp, Tamra Judge
Date: February 4, 2026
Podcast: Jeff Lewis Has Issues (SiriusXM)

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Episode Overview

In this candid and lively episode, Jeff Lewis welcomes Real Housewives stars Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge. The trio dishes about the current and upcoming seasons of "Real Housewives of Orange County," the reality of podcasting and business ventures, and offer an unfiltered update on Teddi’s health following her battle with Stage 4 cancer. The conversation is packed with behind-the-scenes reality TV insights, frank confessions, catchy one-liners, and plenty of support and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reality Podcasting Behind the Curtain

• Podcast Success & Process

  • Tamra and Teddi celebrate 75 million downloads for their podcast "Two T’s in a Pod."
  • They break down their rigorous prep routines for recapping Bravo shows, exemplifying the intense schedule of recording, exercise, and note preparation, often with help from assistants ([03:07-03:35]).
  • Both stress the cycle and time-consuming nature of following Bravo’s franchises in "real time."

• Balancing Filming and Podcasting

  • Tamra admits to being exhausted, joking about having to "watch filler episodes" on various franchises ([04:14-04:39]).
  • Jeff comments on the fourth wall and the desire to show more of their business and podcasting life on TV, though notes Bravo's reluctance due to the meta aspect ([15:25-15:54]).

2. Housewives Franchise Tea

• "The Valley Persian Style" Dissection

  • All three express opinions on the new Bravo show, with Jeff admitting he got hooked because of personal connections.
  • Teddi is skeptical about authenticity, noticing some cast members "are acting" ([05:25]).
  • The trio jokes about odd choices, like bringing kids to group trips and luxury cars parked at modest houses ([05:48-06:12]).

• "RHOC" Casting and Shakeups

  • Jeff and Tamra confirm firings/cast changes for season 20.
  • Jeff suggests splitting up Gina and Emily to see how they’d perform independently ([08:20-08:41]).
  • Tamra and Teddi poke fun at the cringiness of some cast TikToks and speculate on future firings and their PR spins ([07:46-08:05]).

• Dynamics with Other Housewives

  • Jeff expresses his desire for a Trace Amigas reunion and opines about cast chemistry: "I pray for the Trace Amigas to come back. I love that." ([11:17]).
  • Tamra defends her own on-screen drama, promising not to hold back this season: "After how they treated me last year, I'm gonna fucking blow things up." ([11:29])
  • Teddi and Tamra reflect on the Housewife world’s forced reconciliations versus real-life boundaries ([11:42-12:06]).
  • Gina's staying power is discussed, with jokes about her "narrator" role and hustle ([41:28-42:24]).

3. Personal Updates & Candid Moments

Teddi Mellencamp’s Health Journey

• Health Revelation

  • Teddi gives an unfiltered update: Originally diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer that metastasized to her brain and lungs, she endured multiple surgeries, radiation, and now monthly immunotherapy ([33:10-35:06]).
  • She openly shares the physical and emotional toll, including moments of fear, side effects, and her pragmatic approach to divorce: "I'm not considered in a place where I'm strong enough to even do that." ([36:05])

• Support System

  • Teddi credits her coworkers, friends (especially Tamra), and her father John Mellencamp for daily support. "He calls me every single day. I'm super emotional still about everything." ([44:17])
  • She acknowledges the role her fitness and prior health may have played in her survival, though she hesitates to attribute her recovery solely to that: "All I can say is that I really fought hard for it." ([44:43])

Tamra Judge: On Setbacks and Resilience

• Business Hustle

  • Tamra discusses her cannabis tonic and sleep-aid products, recent regulatory scares, and their importance for her own and Jeff’s sleep ([13:16-14:16]), but laments Bravo producers never show her working life: "They've never shot one frame of you running your business." ([14:45])

• Mental Health and Show Pressures

  • Tamra admits to emotionally taxing seasons, backlash, and sitting through therapy on camera: "I'm over it. I just would rather be an asshole." ([41:13-41:16])
  • She jokes about producers never showing her real side but pledges to bring back more fun this season ([18:42-18:53]).

4. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Podcast Prep:
  • Tamra Judge: “I get up in the morning at 6, prep for the podcast, go to the gym, record, then watch the next show—it's a cycle.” ([03:09])
• On Housewife Friendships:
  • Jeff Lewis: “In real life, when people disrespect you...we cut them out. But the Housewife world is different. You’re paid to resolve these conflicts.” ([11:06])
• Teddi’s Health Battle:
  • Teddi Mellencamp: “I had stage four cancer...four plum-sized tumors in my brain that had been there for over a year.” ([33:13])
  • Tamra Judge: “We had to force her into the hospital...She was stumbling, slurring. I thought she was drunk, but it was the tumors.” ([33:34])
• On Moving On (Divorce/Separation):
  • Teddi Mellencamp: “I'm not considered in a place where I'm strong enough to even do that [file for divorce].” ([36:05])
• On Gina (RHOC):
  • Tamra Judge: “Somebody thinks she's great TV, so she stays on.” ([41:40])
• On Reality TV Filler:
  • Jeff Lewis: “Those are for shows where they don’t have content. But we have content. We don't need to film us getting fucking makeup.” ([47:02])
• On Business Savvy:
  • Tamra Judge: “I just want these Housewives to have another job, because this is not a career...It doesn't work like that.” ([42:54])

5. Pop Culture & Viewing Recommendations

• Must-Watch Bravo Shows:
  • Teddi suggests: "Salt Lake City," "Shah's: The Valley Persian Style," and hopes the upcoming "Orange County" will be worth recommending ([48:01-48:27]).
• Other TV Faves:
  • "Traders" (current season praised as 'best ever'), "Euphoria," and "Landman" are discussed as current obsessions ([49:40-50:09]).
  • Brief debate on franchise shake-ups, and Rachel Zoe’s fit with Beverly Hills ([48:44-48:50]).

6. Podcast Network and Professionalism

• Two T's in a Pod Expansion

  • Success acknowledged: five episodes a week, new affiliated podcasts (e.g., Jennifer Fessler’s "Dirty Rush"), and the benefit of their network in launching new podcasters like Emily Simpson ([31:14-38:08]).
  • Tamra vents about lack of gratitude from fellow podcaster Emily Simpson ([38:41-39:07]).

• Jeff’s TV Return

  • Jeff teases the return of his Bravo show (“Still Flipping Out”), and shares behind-the-scenes tidbits about production pushback and Andy Cohen’s involvement ([25:09-25:46]).

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Timeline & Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:22 | Episode Introduction: Tamra & Teddi join Jeff | | 03:07-03:35 | Inside the grueling podcast prep routine | | 05:03-06:12 | "Shah’s: The Valley Persian Style" review & real estate talk | | 07:46-08:05 | "RHOC" casting shakeup and TikTok talk | | 11:06-12:06 | Real-life versus Housewife conflict resolution | | 13:16-14:16 | Tamra’s business, cannabis edibles, and Bravo’s lack of coverage | | 18:42-18:53 | Promise of more fun and classic Housewives escapades | | 33:10-36:10 | Teddi’s harrowing Stage 4 cancer health update | | 41:28-42:24 | Gina’s longevity and career side gig commentary | | 44:17-45:06 | Teddi on her relationship with her father | | 48:01-48:27 | Teddi’s “must watch” TV picks for fans |

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Episode Tone & Style

The episode maintains Jeff Lewis’s signature no-filter, tongue-in-cheek tone—alternating between supportive camaraderie, hard truths, and playful jabs. Both Tamra and Teddi are raw, refreshingly honest, and unafraid to discuss their struggles with both humor and vulnerability. The result is an engaging, fast-paced conversation, blending Bravo fandom with real-life challenges and inside-showbiz insight.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a standout for:

• Fans curious about the realities of reality TV stardom and podcasting
• Anyone interested in Teddi Mellencamp’s ongoing health journey, described with frankness and hope
• Those seeking unfiltered opinions and playful banter about the Bravo-verse and its colorful cast of characters

Don’t miss: Teddi’s health breakdown ([33:10-35:17]), Tamra’s vow to return to the "fun side" of Housewives ([18:42-18:53]), and the inside scoop on "Still Flipping Out" ([25:09-25:46]).

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Transcript

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[Jeff Lewis]

Stop fucking apologizing. You're not making it any better. You're just reminding me how late we are. I know. I'm specific. I know I'm a little high maintenance, which is why I tip really fucking well. I don't want to start shit, but don't you. Okay. Really?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Jeff Lewis has issues.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has Issues. In today's episode, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Judge join the show. We talk about Tamara's approach to filming season 20 of the Real Housewives of Orange County. And Teddi gives us an her health. Plus we talk about what we're both watching on tv. Good morning. Good morning, Teddy. I have not seen you in like, probably. I mean, the last time you were here on the show was three years ago. I did see you at BravoCon, but I. It's been, you know, it's been three years since you've been on the show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Wild.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know. I feel like you've been playing hard to get.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, you know, cancel will do that, right?

[Jeff Lewis]

You've been a little.

[Tamra Judge]

She's back.

[Jeff Lewis]

You've been a little busy. Yes, I understand.

[Tamra Judge]

And it's been three years we were on together. Was it three years ago?

[Jeff Lewis]

Three years is what the producers told me you were on a few months ago. But I like. Oh, I like your bag, by the way.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, thank you. Because you're a brand whore, that's why.

[Jeff Lewis]

True, true. So you girls had a Little lesbian sleepover last night?

[Tamra Judge]

We did. We did. We cuddled up, slept in the same bed. Teddy made me watch, like, crime shows. What did we watch last night?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, I forgot, but we watched some kind of ridiculous crime show about a

[Tamra Judge]

woman that killed all seven of her kids or something like that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, that's great. Right before you go to sleep.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, Nothing relaxing.

[Tamra Judge]

And then Teddy's like, I have problems sleeping.

[Jeff Lewis]

So now, you guys, obviously, everyone has heard of Two T's in a Pod. You've been doing it for four years now. I believe you just celebrated 75 million downloads. Is that correct?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, wow.

[Jeff Lewis]

Congrats. Now, are you the one watching all the shows?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Teddi, we both are.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you really?

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, we have to. We have to.

[Jeff Lewis]

How are. How do you have time?

[Tamra Judge]

I don't. I don't. Jeff. I don't.

[Jeff Lewis]

When do you watch them?

[Tamra Judge]

I'm tired.

[Jeff Lewis]

When do you watch them?

[Tamra Judge]

Weekends, Whenever I can. So I have, like, this schedule where. No, I have to watch them throughout the week. So I get up in the morning at 6 in the morning. I get up, I prep for the podcast, I go to the gym, I come back, record the podcast, and then, like, a couple hours later, I watch the show for the next week, take notes, send it to my assistant. He writes them all up for me, puts them on my rundown, and then it's all over. It's a cycle.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then what's your process? Wake up in the morning. What time?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I wake up in the morning at 6. But I watch it the night before.

[Jeff Lewis]

You do?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, yeah, so I watch it the night before. Tamara likes to watch it the day of.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so you're watching it.

[Tamra Judge]

I watch it the night before sometimes, yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you're watching it the night before, and then when you're up in the morning, are you doing notes or do the. Do the notes the night before?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do the notes the night before, and then I do them as I'm watching.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so you're already prepped.

[Tamra Judge]

It's a lot. Yeah, but it's like once you write your notes, they're put into a rundown, and then you have to. Because we don't see the rundown, and then we have to see the rundown with our notes in it and just kind of read over it. It's not that big of a deal,

[Jeff Lewis]

but

[Tamra Judge]

it's a cycle. I get it five days a week.

[Jeff Lewis]

I do it too.

[Tamra Judge]

Five days a week. And then throwing and filming.

[Jeff Lewis]

But I used to be like Teddy, where I think the first couple of years I Would prep the night before and then I would sleep in a little bit later. But now I. For whatever reason, I've.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, that's because you don't work out.

[Jeff Lewis]

I've completely. Shit. Well, I mean, I. Not like you do.

[Tamra Judge]

No, no, I prep the night before.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I'm not doing anything the night before. No, I wake up at 5:30. I do it in the morning before I come here. But. But yes, we do have to watch the shows. I don't watch them all, but I. On the weekends is when I kind of try to catch up with everything.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I'm always like behind, like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because we're in real time, right?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Are you watching the new Shahs? Well, it's not the Shah. The Valley Persian style.

[Jeff Lewis]

Here's the thing. I normally probably would have never watched it, but mj. But I'm friends with mj. I'm friends with Reza, I'm friends with Gigi, so. So of course I felt obligated. I also want to talk about it on the show. I kind of got hooked.

[Tamra Judge]

I am too.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did you get sucked in the first

[Teddi Mellencamp]

two episodes I was sucked in. Now I'm starting to get a little bit pulled back.

[Jeff Lewis]

Why?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think because I feel like it's. I feel like some of the girls are acting.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, but don't you agree that like two of those marriages are severely strained?

[Tamra Judge]

I just. Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I wonder, did you know that

[Jeff Lewis]

the 13 of those marriages are severely strained?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, Sky. Well, sky and her husband clearly Bombshad

[Jeff Lewis]

or Bam Shad or what is his name?

[Tamra Judge]

I don't know. I always say her husband because I can never get his name right when we talk about it. I was just had a problem with. Their kitchen's the size of my bathroom. And then they have like a $200,000 Porsche rolled up in their driveway. And he's like, look what I got for you. I'm like, but your kitchen is the size of my bathroom.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have to tell you though, I'm familiar with that neighborhood.

[Tamra Judge]

Is it expensive?

[Jeff Lewis]

It's not a cheap house. It's probably two and a half, $3 million. I mean, it's not a cheap house in LA. The problem is you look at these little homes and these little kitchens in LA and you don't realize they're two and a half, $3 million.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But the house they stayed in when they were in Palm Springs or wherever, that was a little bit. I wouldn't have tight quarters.

[Jeff Lewis]

I wouldn't have been happy with that. And I also wouldn't have shown up with three kids.

[Tamra Judge]

No, absolutely not for 24 hours. Get a nanny.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, seriously. But I'm liking the show a lot. I, of course, hate Tommy.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

It's hard to watch.

[Tamra Judge]

If he had to talk about shitting one more time. I'm like, on a date.

[Jeff Lewis]

On a date, On a date.

[Tamra Judge]

Stop.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

On camera on a date. No.

[Tamra Judge]

Everywhere he drops off, he's like, I got a shit. And I'm like, I do too. But I don't talk about it all the time.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Take some fiber to regulate your system.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, he does.

[Tamra Judge]

And I haven't said it once. Teddy.

[Jeff Lewis]

He hasn't said it once.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm with you.

[Jeff Lewis]

He has ibs, Teddy.

[Tamra Judge]

So do I. Oh, so I'm on poop number three already.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Wow.

[Jeff Lewis]

I thought you said you weren't gonna talk about it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Of course she's talking about it. But we. I mean, she talked about it on

[Tamra Judge]

if Jameson can talk about it.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you like the Valley, but now you're kind of not into the episode three and four.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Correct.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay, well, I think that they had, like, a slow episode, and I never

[Teddi Mellencamp]

like filler episodes on any of the shows.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, I like there to be actors,

[Jeff Lewis]

like half of Real Housewives of Orange County. Oh, I'm sorry, Tamra.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know.

[Tamra Judge]

Hey. I have no control over. I have no control over the cast. I have no control over the cast.

[Jeff Lewis]

That was a big shakeup that fired one person and brought in another one. That was a huge shake up.

[Tamra Judge]

Did you fire one person?

[Jeff Lewis]

I heard maybe two.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I did too.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, right. Okay. So two people down.

[Tamra Judge]

I feel like the other person's gonna be like, I decided I'm gonna spend more time with my family.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, we're gonna hear that again.

[Tamra Judge]

I think so.

[Jeff Lewis]

At least Katie came out and was like, I got fired.

[Tamra Judge]

And I respect that same.

[Jeff Lewis]

But honestly, I was thinking about this this morning. I would much rather have another season with Katie than Gina and Emily. And I like Emily, which is too bad.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I just think they need to be split up.

[Jeff Lewis]

Like on another show. Split them both up on different shows.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

That would be interesting to see how one would act without the crutch of the other one.

[Tamra Judge]

Right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And how they would so intertwined with everything, every move. They stay in the same rooms when. No, you know, on the trips.

[Jeff Lewis]

They gotta break them up.

[Tamra Judge]

What do you think about their tiktoks?

[Jeff Lewis]

So cringy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You don't want to do one after this.

[Jeff Lewis]

I hope they're being paid a lot of money.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They're not.

[Tamra Judge]

By who?

[Jeff Lewis]

Those are just tiktoks like, there's no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Those are tiktoks.

[Jeff Lewis]

I've seen some paid endorsements. I'm like, okay, well, you know, make the money.

[Tamra Judge]

I just don't know how you have time to do that.

[Jeff Lewis]

I heard that Gina got engaged.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes, she got engaged.

[Jeff Lewis]

I just don't want to see that white trash weapon.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, Jeff.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't. I don't. I don't want to see it. Where are they going to do it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Tamara's, Tamra's backyard?

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

There are beautiful backyards in Orange County.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm sure they'll find some rec center.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, my God. Are you not friends with Gina?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I don't. I think it started where I just, you know, it's. It's. Here's the thing. Like, Emily and Shane, I really like them. Off tv, like, I, you know, I've got to know them. I really like them. I just feel like it's been eight seasons now. Right? This is their eighth season. I want to see. I want to see something else. And I think that maybe two new people would be. Would be good. There's difference, you know, there's the OG favorites that you really have to keep. You have to. And then there's just people that have been around, you know, six seasons too long.

[Tamra Judge]

How are you and Heather? Are you guys good?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, Heather and I are good. Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Good.

[Jeff Lewis]

Very civil, very friendly. Vicky and I are great. Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

And we know Shannon's your bestie.

[Jeff Lewis]

Shannon and I are good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I thought you brushed right over that.

[Tamra Judge]

Were you worried that Shannon wasn't coming back?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I never. She's like one of Those, you know, OGs that people love, and I think, you know, was I afraid that they, you know, I didn't know because we kept hearing all of these rumors.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, they.

[Jeff Lewis]

Huge shake up.

[Tamra Judge]

I thought I was gone.

[Jeff Lewis]

I didn't know what was happening. I thought they were gonna fire you. I thought they were gonna make Shannon a friend. I thought they were gonna. I didn't know what they were gonna do.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, well, we never know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do you think that Shannon and Tam are gonna make up?

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know. And here's the. Here's the thing that I. In real life, I tried last year.

[Tamra Judge]

It didn't work.

[Jeff Lewis]

In real life, when people mistreat you, disrespect you, go too far in an argument. We cut them out of our lives. Right. But the housewife world is different. And you kind of have to understand that you're being paid to resolve these conflicts because no one wants to see you fighting over and over and over, season after season after season.

[Tamra Judge]

I agree.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think she's gonna have to make up with you because I don't want to see. I don't want another season where you two are at odds. I don't.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't either. I didn't want it last year.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I pray for the Trace Amigas to come back. I love that. But here's the thing, Tamara. Like, when you. If you do commit to a resolution, you know, you've got a sharp tongue. And sometimes you say, well, I'll tell

[Tamra Judge]

you right now, after how they treated me last year, I'm gonna fucking blow things up.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

So last year it was calm Tammers.

[Jeff Lewis]

I thought you blew things up last year and the year before that.

[Tamra Judge]

No, I didn't blow. I was, like, in a very sad situation, and I wasn't happy. And nobody. Like, if anybody else was having a hard. It'd be like, oh, what can I do for you? Well, let's have a party to cheer you up. No, they're like, you're leaking stories. You're doing this, you're that. You're the. And I'm like, oh, my God. You guys are not my friends.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But you need a redemption year.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's needed that for, like, 20 seasons.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right?

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

You keep bringing her back.

[Tamra Judge]

Bring her back. I'm like a punching bag at this time.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Just bring your happy tonics and just be sipping on that the whole time.

[Tamra Judge]

We will. Yeah. You know, we have 10 milligrams now. Oh, they're amazing.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

I think that's. What?

[Tamra Judge]

10 milligrams. Thank you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Because you sent me a bunch of samples, and Annie took every one of them. She died for three weeks, Every one of them.

[Tamra Judge]

And we have new flavors. We have mango, lime, blood orange. Like, you just.

[Jeff Lewis]

Look, I know a big part of your business is to sell these products that kind of relax you where you can just kick back and forget about your day and your troubles and all of that. I'll be honest with you. I specifically use your products as a sleep aid, and it's saved my life. And I've been taking.

[Tamra Judge]

You're a biggest seller.

[Jeff Lewis]

I've been taking them for years. I don't need to be. I don't know. I don't personally.

[Tamra Judge]

For me, you need to be stoned.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't need to be stoned. I need to be very clear. Right. But the problem is that in doing that, I'm very hyped up at the end of the day. I know. Teddy, you have trouble sleeping too. And those full spectrum bites and the lights out and I mean, it's like last night I slept eight hours.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. You know, there's a lot going on with the cannabis industry right now.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

And they just put, they're trying to regulate it. They just gave us a two year extension. We kind of shit our pants for a while because we thought, oh my God, we built this business for six years and we could potentially be shut down with the new regulations. So it's, it's looking like we're going to be okay. And it can actually be a, even a better thing for us because if it's regulated, then it's easier to advertise like on Meta and things like that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you think? Sorry, I'm gonna like, oh, okay. So. And by the way, you change the code on us. So if all of your products are

[Tamra Judge]

available, 30% off with Jeff code. His new code is Jeff Vena. V E N A Jeff Vena.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you go to venacbd.com use Jeff Vena. 30% off all products. I, if you have trouble sleeping, this is, this is what is going to help you. I'd start with the full spectrum night bites. And then if I, if I, if it's a weekend and I know I could sleep like nine hours, I'll do a lights out.

[Tamra Judge]

But sometimes, like, they're stronger.

[Jeff Lewis]

They're twice as strong.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Sometimes I get like, oh, I don't want to take a gummy. Like, and I'm like, I just want to have like what seems to be a cocktail, but it's not. There's no alcohol in it and there's only 40 calories, 10 milligrams of THC. I have one of those and I don't need to take anything else. I will just fall asleep.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm good.

[Tamra Judge]

It's a nightmare.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, I wonder if that would replace the martini too.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

I mean it.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes, it would. And you wouldn't feel like shit the next day.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

And then you might sleep and then I might do. Might do both.

[Jeff Lewis]

Tamara. They've never ever shot one. I don't think one frame of you running your business.

[Tamra Judge]

No. And I've talked about that to do that this.

[Jeff Lewis]

But Coto insurance is. I mean, she's basically selling sweatshirts on there.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, we've seen.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have the cap too. I love it.

[Tamra Judge]

But yes, we have real estate agents that are doing, you know, we're looking at watching that 24 7.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, the gated group.

[Tamra Judge]

We have. You know what I mean?

[Jeff Lewis]

That's the first group I'm gonna call.

[Tamra Judge]

Stop it, Jeff. You stop it. But I just feel like. I think that I'm gonna push for that a little bit for this season to show that, you know.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, also the podcast network.

[Tamra Judge]

I know.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, you and Teddy have built something pretty incredible.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. I think the problem is, is it's kind of breaking the fourth wall because we are, you know, recapping Bravo shows,

[Teddi Mellencamp]

but I think they're starting to break the fourth wall more and more.

[Tamra Judge]

My dream is we're interviewing Lisa Rinna in a couple years.

[Jeff Lewis]

So. Are we? Yeah. Meta. Yours will be a different interview.

[Tamra Judge]

Yours will be professional, but I would love. We'll be at, you know, the iHeart studio, and I would love for them to film that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, they should.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. But I don't think Lisa would do it.

[Jeff Lewis]

No. Do you? Oh, yeah. She's very anti Bravo, isn't she?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

No. Does Bravo send the marshals to you to your studio like they do me?

[Tamra Judge]

What do you mean?

[Jeff Lewis]

I guess that's a no. They send, like, companions.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Like, they send a PR agent to, like, zap them if they say something wrong.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, well, most of the time, we're not in person. And so they'll just be on the Zoom.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, they'll be on the zoom.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh. See, I get them here in the green room or sometimes here in the

[Teddi Mellencamp]

studio watching over, and then, like, you have five minutes.

[Tamra Judge]

Are you watching Traders?

[Jeff Lewis]

Of course I am.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, my God. Is it, like, the best season ever?

[Jeff Lewis]

I just got sucked in. I never watched 1 through 3, but now I told Monroe, I'm like, we're gonna go out.

[Tamra Judge]

Four's the best.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Would you have been offended if you were Colton?

[Jeff Lewis]

Offended?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, from Michael Rappaport?

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm not that. That sensitive, so probably. No.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I understand why people would be offended. I personally wouldn't be.

[Tamra Judge]

We had Michael on the podcast.

[Jeff Lewis]

I like him.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

How was he?

[Tamra Judge]

I like him. I was a little bit scared, you know, and he's intense, but he. He said. He said, like, I talked to him, we're cool. Like, everything's good. Like, that's not what I meant. That wasn't my intention. I wasn't trying to shame him in any way. Just saying, like, you kept a secret.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I don't need to see him eat ever again.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, we talked about that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, my God, Teddy.

[Tamra Judge]

I.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did he even use silverware? I felt like he just kind of chipped the plate in his mouth.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What was it? Macaroni and cheese?

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know what it was like

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

fried rice and the fork using his

[Jeff Lewis]

tong at the end of the plate. And. Yeah, that was pretty gross.

[Tamra Judge]

He said he literally was, like, by himself in a room, and he looked at the camera guys, and he's like, you never thought that you went to school for all this? And then you had to film me eating like an animal? Yeah, he says sometimes he eats like that.

[Jeff Lewis]

I actually thought he was. I thought he was great for a show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I thought he was good friends.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was sorry to see him go same.

[Tamra Judge]

I think he was so entertaining.

[Jeff Lewis]

But they were. But they were like. I thought it was funny where, like, if you're faithful, you are the worst faith.

[Tamra Judge]

I wish he would have stayed a little bit longer, and I'm sorry. I mean, I. So many people are hating on Colton. I think he's good for the show.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't give a shit what he did.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't give a shit what he did in his past. I'm watching him as.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, you got to give people second chances and third chances. And by the way, Kate in Minnesota, line one. I totally agree with her. Hi, Kate.

[Unidentified Caller/Listener]

Wait, are you there?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, we are here.

[Unidentified Caller/Listener]

Oh, my gosh. Hello. Hi, Tamara. Hi, Teddy. Tamara.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Unidentified Caller/Listener]

Love you. OG Listener here. We need to have more fun. That's the plan, because we're all drunk on the Housewives, and I love you when you're in your fun mode.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm really hoping, with Vicki back this season that we're gonna have more moments of, like, us being silly and having fun and going to Mexico and her peeing on my bed and all that kind of stuff.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, we don't need to see that again. But, yes, bring the pee.

[Unidentified Caller/Listener]

I want to see all the pee. I want to see the messiness. I love to see you guys in that. It got dark last year. I know the DUI was a story, but it's like, who cares at this point? Be silly. Be the Tamra that we all fell in love with and shout out to him. That's about it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Be the Tamra that you are on this show, which is light and fun and funny. And I understand these people trigger you, but you have your allies now, right? You've got Heather. You've got Vicki.

[Tamra Judge]

I didn't feel like I was that triggered last year. I just felt like I was sad, and I was having a hard time maneuvering through the show. And instead of my friends being like, I know you're going through a dark time right now. Like, I had just, like, spent months of doing therapy, and I was Already, like, scared to go back on the show and film again. Especially the year before. I was getting death threats.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm sorry. I should never have sent that.

[Tamra Judge]

I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You fucker.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

How is your mindset now heading into the new season? How are you feeling?

[Tamra Judge]

I feel great. I feel great. I am so excited. I filmed ultimate girls trip, the first party, the 80s party. And I was like, I'm on fire. I got jazz hands. Like, let's go. So I was maybe a little bit, because then I got pulled from the season finale.

[Jeff Lewis]

But don't we all have, you know, friends with, like, different levels of depth? You know what I mean? Like, these are kind of like fun party acquaintance. I mean, some of them, you have deeper friendships than others, but, you know, they can't all be like the Teddy mellencamp friendship you have, you know, and so.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, for sure.

[Jeff Lewis]

And you get it. You're a professional, you know, like, you know, you're paid to party. You're paid to go.

[Tamra Judge]

I was willing to make up with Shannon last year.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're paid to go on these trips. You know, just. I don't know. You're very. You know, you take things very personally. And then you let things.

[Tamra Judge]

I do.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. But then you let it go. But then you'll let it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But then you are easy to let things go.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. You will let things go.

[Tamra Judge]

Really? You think? I. Okay, well, I am in my unbothered era, so if anybody wants to screw with me, I'm gonna take some notes from Susan.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What do you dorit. Isn't that her book's name? It is.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

What is that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Unbothered un.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Something. Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Is it really? I didn't know that.

[Jeff Lewis]

I couldn't believe that.

[Tamra Judge]

That is the chicest.

[Jeff Lewis]

The last episode of real housewives of beverly hills.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Where.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, it was so tragic. Where Amanda brings up her son.

[Tamra Judge]

Horrible.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then dorit just, like, doubles down.

[Tamra Judge]

She doesn't stop.

[Jeff Lewis]

And she says, like she's accusing her of not reading the room. You need to read the room, Dorit.

[Tamra Judge]

I love when she goes, well, we can talk about this another time, however.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. It was so cold.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What about when she said zion? And Cathy goes, whose dog?

[Jeff Lewis]

Is that your dog?

[Tamra Judge]

Is that your dog?

[Jeff Lewis]

I know. Because no one knew.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

My heart stopped.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Like, I was just froze up cold.

[Tamra Judge]

No. What are your thoughts on Amanda?

[Jeff Lewis]

She's a kind of a Try hard. I don't love her. I think she's probably good for the show.

[Tamra Judge]

No, you didn't know her. Are you gonna have her on your show?

[Jeff Lewis]

Probably not. I have my favorite. I usually bring on my favorites.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Where were you at the White party?

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, what happened was, is that I got an invite from the Countess to go to the White party on Friday. And so I texted Kyle, and I'm like, hey, this is weird. I got an invite from the Countess for your white party. I go, was this meant for me? I don't understand. And then Kyle didn't get back to me till Wednesday, the day of the party. She's like, no, I'm.

[Tamra Judge]

She's very busy right now.

[Jeff Lewis]

She goes, I'm looking forward to seeing you tonight. I go, no, no, no, no. I didn't hear back from you. I'm not coming. But it's, you know, it's not a big deal. She goes, well, Jen reached out twice. I said, well, clearly she has the wrong email. But I said, it's no big deal.

[Tamra Judge]

So you didn't go?

[Jeff Lewis]

I didn't go. Oh.

[Tamra Judge]

Teddi went.

[Jeff Lewis]

How was it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It was so much fun, really. I mean, the Countess, it's.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's a good time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's a good time.

[Jeff Lewis]

But I got an invite from the Countess to go to Kyle's party. I thought, this is weird. I'm not going to show up unless I hear from Kyle.

[Tamra Judge]

I think what I heard was they were allowed. Each cast member was allowed to invite, like, 15 people. I don't know if that's true.

[Jeff Lewis]

I heard that she invited Luann, invited Shane and I. Anyone else of our group?

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

No, that was it.

[Tamra Judge]

Did you go, Shane?

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

No, not. Jeff didn't go. I'm not. I mean, same thing.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Did you want to go?

[Jeff Lewis]

Were there a lot of people there?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

There was a good amount of people there, yeah. I mean, filming parties are always different because there's, like. The music is not quite right. It's like, you know.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right. Whatever. They can clear.

[Tamra Judge]

It's like porn music.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Was there any entertainment? Cause remember the one year she had Wilson Phillips iconic?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't want to give too much away, but, I mean, we've seen it. I mean, the Countess was.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, she performed.

[Tamra Judge]

She ziplined in. Didn't you see it on social media? She ziplined in.

[Jeff Lewis]

I did not see that.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

I did not see that.

[Tamra Judge]

And she danced with a bunch of bushes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Bushes. Because she fell in the bush.

[Jeff Lewis]

No.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. Remember that year she fell in the bush drunk. Well, she had a bunch of dancing

[Teddi Mellencamp]

bushes

[Tamra Judge]

and not that kind of bush.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wow, that's creative.

[Tamra Judge]

We're talking the green kind of bush. Yeah. There's like, look, Jeff, it's right there on the screen.

[Jeff Lewis]

I didn't see this.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

The bush.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. That's kind of amazing.

[Tamra Judge]

Do you think she knows she can't sing? No, no, I don't think she cares,

[Jeff Lewis]

but she's a great performer.

[Tamra Judge]

She is.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's so fun.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

So fun. I mean, they are every time. It's a spectacle.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So you don't think she's in on the.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think she is. I do think.

[Tamra Judge]

You think so.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I do.

[Tamra Judge]

I like her.

[Jeff Lewis]

I do, too.

[Tamra Judge]

I sat next to her at dinner at the 80s party.

[Jeff Lewis]

We've hung out socially. We've had the best time. I mean, she's. I mean, she's an icon.

[Tamra Judge]

Are you shocked that they are allowed to just show all the pictures of them filming for Ultimate Girls Trip? Every day there's new pictures are coming out. Like, they had a new. A wig snatch.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Wig snatch competition in Miami.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. And then they had the. They showed the white party. They showed some of the pictures from the Bunko party. And I'm like. At first, I'm like, I can't post anything. And then I saw everyone like, I'm posting now.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, we're filming right now, and they're. They wanted us to stop doing their behind the scenes, which makes sense to me. So.

[Tamra Judge]

What do you mean you're filming?

[Jeff Lewis]

Cause we film. We're filming. Still Flipping Out. Did you not know that show's coming back?

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Okay, Bravo podcast. Hello.

[Tamra Judge]

It's still coming back.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We don't recap that show.

[Tamra Judge]

I always worry about you because you piss people off and then you might get put on pause.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's true. No, we are filming right now, so I guess it's like a season 12 kind of. Of flipping out.

[Tamra Judge]

Are they gonna do it like that?

[Jeff Lewis]

They're calling it Still Flipping out. So it'll be like season one of Still Flipping out, but it's kind of flipping out.

[Tamra Judge]

Same thing.

[Jeff Lewis]

Episode.

[Tamra Judge]

And is it Bravo? It's Bravo.

[Jeff Lewis]

Bravo. Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

When's it gonna air?

[Jeff Lewis]

Andy's the ep.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, snap.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Do you guys fight a lot?

[Jeff Lewis]

We do fight a lot, but he's been cool. He. He was. Because I was the only one that basically showed up here during the holidays. So he.

[Tamra Judge]

He said, you're a hard worker.

[Jeff Lewis]

He's like, I really appreciate it. I'm like. I'm like, yeah, I'm keeping the lights on here at SiriusXM, so he'll like. It's funny because we had a little Falling out at BravoCon.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, I know. I was.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then usually with Andy And I. We'll have a pause, and then one of us reaches out. So he reached. He reached out. We talked after BravoCon.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Like, shortly after.

[Jeff Lewis]

Like, Monday. So we very much aired our grievances. And then. But then. I already know how it works. But then we both take a break, and then one of us calls the other. So we took a break. For how long? When was BravoCon?

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

November.

[Jeff Lewis]

So we took a. Like, a good six weeks. 45 day break.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh.

[Jeff Lewis]

Which is a lot for us. Oh, no, he. I think I said something on Also New Year's. I think I said, you know, congratulations, all of that. So we, you know.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Huh.

[Jeff Lewis]

But, yeah, it's a complicated relationship because we work together. You know, he's my boss here, and he's my boss at Bravo.

[Tamra Judge]

So how did he go 45 days without talking to you if you work with him?

[Jeff Lewis]

Maybe it's 30 days.

[Tamra Judge]

Maybe it was, like, a week.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, no, no. It was noticeably exaggerating. No, no. It was noticeably a good month.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Yeah. It was BravoCon until Christmas time, I think.

[Jeff Lewis]

He doesn't talk to me as long as he can. That he has to and that he has to reach out.

[Tamra Judge]

He likes his messiest talents the most.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, here's the thing.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

That's what you guys tell yourselves.

[Jeff Lewis]

32. You work with 32 flavors, right?

[Tamra Judge]

I do.

[Jeff Lewis]

They said that I am by far the most difficult talent that they're working with. And it used to be Dorit, by the way. Allegedly.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Whoa.

[Jeff Lewis]

But they said I'm. And I'm miles ahead of her.

[Tamra Judge]

Should Alex tell you that?

[Jeff Lewis]

Alex and Jay Levy. But here's the thing. Because I push back. I negotiate, I protect my people.

[Tamra Judge]

You know your worth.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I protect everyone around me. So everything is a bit of a pushback here and there. We're all. Everything's worked out. It's very smooth right now. But I said, you know, Andy was really happy with the first week of shoot. There was a lot. Lot. You guys have been reading the. What does he call it?

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Hot sheet.

[Jeff Lewis]

The hot sheet. Sounds like a lot's going on. And I said, look, I understand I'm a pain in the ass, but I deliver. He wrote yes and yes.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes and. Yeah, I can see that. Who's on your new show?

[Jeff Lewis]

Shane Keyan, Annie Jameson. I mean, everybody here. So it's Zoila. No, Zoila retired, but her sister works for me.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, that's right. And she's iconic.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

She's hilarious.

[Tamra Judge]

And she's on it too.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. And then I have a, you know, there's a lot of personalities. So I feel like.

[Tamra Judge]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamra Judge]

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[Jeff Lewis]

Is Jennifer Fessler in your network? Your podcast network?

[Tamra Judge]

She has.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. It's the Dirty Rush, right?

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

How's that doing?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Good.

[Tamra Judge]

It's doing good. I was just on it. You were? Yeah, I was a guest on it like three weeks, two weeks ago.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, that's right.

[Tamra Judge]

It was fun. By the way, I'm obsessed with Jackie.

[Jeff Lewis]

Jackie Schimmel.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, I love Jackie. In fact, I just bought some under eye concealer that she was posting and I'm like, screw you. You made me buy it. You made me buy it. Can I tell you that I bought something from Bethenny Frankel that she was posting? It was a purse. It was. And I did it because. Not cause I'm going to use this purse, but I wanted to see what she was promoting. It was like a lookalike.

[Jeff Lewis]

Birkin.

[Tamra Judge]

Birkin. Right. So I bought.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think I bought it too.

[Tamra Judge]

I bought this piece of shit and it came to me, and then a month later, it's. I was tied into a subscription.

[Jeff Lewis]

No.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

You subscribed to fake Birkins?

[Tamra Judge]

I guess so I'm like, I'll give it to my. My granddaughter. She can, you know. And it was like half the size of the ones that she was showing. I just wanted to see what it was. And for $59, I'm like, okay, I can do this.

[Jeff Lewis]

I feel like we bought one for Monroe. It was cute. It was little.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

We got one on Amazon, a fake

[Tamra Judge]

calendar, and you passed it off to me. But then I was pissed off that I was sucked into a subscription of fake designer bags.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, is that what that prod is right now? Is that from the subscription?

[Tamra Judge]

No, this is a real one. But it doesn't. It's a dupe. I wouldn't say it was like. It doesn't say, you know. Right, Right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Teddy, we are getting calls for you. People would like to know where you are today with your health. You look amazing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thank you.

[Jeff Lewis]

You look. I mean, you're one of those people that can pull off short hair.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Thank you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Not many women can do that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm at an in between length right now. I'm almost like. I'm almost to the least arena length.

[Jeff Lewis]

It looks. I mean, it looks really good and I like it blonde, for sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Thank you.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you had a lot of surgeries? How many surgeries have you had?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't even know.

[Jeff Lewis]

You really lost count?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't even know. I do know that I Had stage four cancer. Oh, I still have stage four cancer, but it metastasized to my brain and lungs. I had four plum sized tumors in my brain that had been living there for probably over a year. And the day after I was working with Tamara at the super bowl is when I went into the hospital.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, we had to force her into the hospital she was at. We were in New Orleans for Super bowl and she kept like, she was falling, she was stumbling, she was slurring. And I'm like, this bitch is drunk. Like, I'm like, what is going on? And she wasn't. And it was the tumors. And by the time she got home, wasn't one of your eyes you can see?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I couldn't see out of one of my eyes.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm like, but you can now.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Flew all the way home. You flew home thinking you just had a migraine?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I thought I had a migraine for six months.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, for over six months I thought I had migraines.

[Jeff Lewis]

But is it true that. I mean, you tell me. Presently, there's no detectable cancer.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They can't say that because there's scar tissue, so they can't tell. But right now there's no detectable cancer. But you are still considered stage four for over three years.

[Jeff Lewis]

I see.

[Tamra Judge]

And you have to continue on immunotherapy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I'm still on immunotherapy, which kicks my butt.

[Jeff Lewis]

What is that exactly?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's kind of like the up and coming new cancer medication. So it's different. So I did radiation. That's why I lost my hair. And then I did immunotherapy. I gave you that.

[Tamra Judge]

Lost your hair because they shaved your head for the surgery first?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, but. Yeah, right. But then, remember I had all those bald spots.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, you had the bald spots. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

So immunotherapy. What is. Is that radiation? Is it chemotherapy? What is that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's a medic. Just a medication. I go in for an IV treatment once a month and then go through, but it lowers your immune system so you're strong enough to fight off, like the negative cells. I don't even really understand it.

[Tamra Judge]

It's like a healthier version of chemotherapy or something like, it's. It uses your own immune system to. To fight the cancer, so.

[Jeff Lewis]

But it sounds like it's working.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's working.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank God. Now you're saying, though, that you have. You're starting to feel side effects of all of the surgeries.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm not sure if I'm feeling side effects from all of the surgeries or I'm feeling side effects from all the things that happened in the past year.

[Jeff Lewis]

I see.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So I, you know, not only have I had surgeries and I have, you know, certain tactile issues and things like that that I haven't figured out how to do it. My shaking has gotten better. I was really shaky for a while. But I also, I mean, I didn't even process the fact that I was getting divorced, that I was, you know, sick in the hospital, thinking I could still pod from there.

[Jeff Lewis]

No. Do you. So are. You're separated, but you have not. No one has filed.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, because I'm not considered in a place where I'm strong enough to even do that.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think that's smart. Yeah, I think that's very smart because it's incredibly stressful. So Edwin is. You're living in the marital home?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

And Edwin has moved out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

But it sounds like you have a nice co parenting relationship.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, we have a good co parenting relationship.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's just you definitely go through highs and lows. There are days where I've forgotten all the reasons why we aren't together. Because when you're feeling really down or low, when you're having cancer treatments, then

[Tamra Judge]

you want that person with you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

So has he been there for you?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, he is sometimes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so it's. Yeah. But you have a good support system around you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have a lot of good friends.

[Jeff Lewis]

Good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Tamara's one of them, but I have a lot of good friends.

[Tamra Judge]

You have a great group of girls that you've known for years with Kyle.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And my dad's been incredible.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now, are you part of managing all of these podcasts, Teddy?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, right now I don't manage them, but we make. Essentially, they've kind of weaned me off of anything that's super difficult because it's just not something I can do right now.

[Jeff Lewis]

And let me ask you this. I don't know where you are with Emily Simpson, but you guys, you know, this last season there was some conflict. Doesn't she have a podcast on your network?

[Tamra Judge]

Yes, she does.

[Jeff Lewis]

How does that work with you? I mean, I guess if she's making you money, who cares, right?

[Tamra Judge]

Exactly.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's probably what Andy says.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah. I just had an issue with Emily saying, like, she's not on our network and she is on our network and she's on our feed, like two hours.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She used to solely be on our feed. And then once that a certain time passed, then she was. Now she's only on our feed once a month.

[Tamra Judge]

Twice a month or twice a month? Twice a month. So I think she does for a week. I mean, for a month, and then she's on our network. So when you're on our feed, like, it goes out to all our subscribers. So anybody that has a new podcast that is, like, amazing for them, they're being set up for success. Success. However, they have to perform. And Emily's podcast does. She does perform. She does a great job with. With Shane. And it was kind of one of those things, like, just say thank you or just, like, don't sit there and go, I'm not on your. You are on my network. You are. You're on our network.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you felt it was ungrateful?

[Tamra Judge]

Yes, that's how I felt.

[Jeff Lewis]

And she understood. Her positioning on your network has really helped boost her podcast.

[Tamra Judge]

I would like to think so.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's been on the show a couple of times. She and Shane are great, so I imagine they're good. I mean, they were great on the radio. I imagine they're good on the podcast as well.

[Tamra Judge]

And, you know, we were fighting at the reunion, and I did have a conversation with her at BravoCon, and we both apologized to each other.

[Jeff Lewis]

Good, great.

[Tamra Judge]

Although I haven't talked to her since then.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But then she quickly got up from our table and went and hung out with the other girls.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, yeah, that's true.

[Jeff Lewis]

What other girls?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think it was Jen Pedranti, and

[Tamra Judge]

we were at a Bravo event, and we were all like, you know, we were the only three there, and she was from Housewives, and she was hanging out with us until.

[Jeff Lewis]

I will say that Jen Pedrante is very likable. I think she's likable as a viewer. Right. I don't know her as well as you do. She's been on this podcast once or twice. She was lovely. Where do you stand today with Jennifer Pajante?

[Tamra Judge]

I don't really have a relationship with her. We don't really talk. I don't think that we had a horrible reunion. I'm hoping that we can move forward and just start off clean. I know, and I acknowledge that I was hard on her the first season, coming back on the show. Oh, I was. You know, I definitely regret that. I didn't lie about anything, but I don't. I regret it. And, you know, the show's about conflict and resolution, and I tried. I've tried to move on.

[Jeff Lewis]

How many times do you plan to quit this season?

[Tamra Judge]

Well, none, please.

[Jeff Lewis]

Because We're. Yes. Let's not quit.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I gave her a big lecture about that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. Thank you, Teddy.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Even from my hospital bed, I was like, listen, I know you're not quitting, and I don't want to hear another word.

[Tamra Judge]

Don't be a quitter.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you.

[Tamra Judge]

But here's the thing. Like, I was going through some tough shit in my life, and when the big scheme of things, like, why do I want to have somebody yelling at me when I'd rather be sitting next to Teddy at the hospital or at

[Teddi Mellencamp]

home, she's yelling at me.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right, but you have a job. I understand there's places you'd rather be, but you have a job.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, but in my mind, I just couldn't. I just kept thinking about her. I was so worried about her.

[Jeff Lewis]

I knew. How We've talked about this before. You and I spoke many times.

[Tamra Judge]

Why can't I have an emotional year with you?

[Jeff Lewis]

You were spread very, very thin. You were.

[Tamra Judge]

And then, not to mention, guys, I was doing therapy, and then.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. Do we have to shoot that again?

[Tamra Judge]

No, I told them never.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you.

[Tamra Judge]

Never.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm over it.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm over it. I just would rather be an asshole.

[Jeff Lewis]

You don't need therapy.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't want to do therapy anymore. I am very happy with who I am. And if you don't like it, that's a you problem.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right. Thank you.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. But. So I was going through a lot. Whatever. Whatever.

[Jeff Lewis]

So what do you think, Gina? How is it that Gina has nine lives? I mean, she's going into season eight. She's a cat. How has she been able to skate by eight seasons now?

[Tamra Judge]

Well, somebody thinks she's great tv, so she stays on.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think she narrates.

[Jeff Lewis]

I do, too. I think she. I think she does exactly what the producers tell her. Go bring up this. Go talk about this.

[Tamra Judge]

I do think that she stepped things up, I think, in the last couple years, like, you know, we don't have any more bad weave. And she, you know, I have a soft spot from Regina because, you know, she got divorced. It was a bad situation. She didn't rely on alimony or anything like that. She got a.

[Jeff Lewis]

Real estate. Was an option. Right.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, she got real estate license. Like, she's like a hustler.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

So I respect that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, Okay.

[Tamra Judge]

I respect it. She went from a casita to a. To a house. Like she's a casa.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, well, we could all rent a house.

[Tamra Judge]

She bought a house. She bought that house. And now I think the new one. No, I think the New one's rented. But I think her. She does own a house. She owns a house.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

She's bought a house before.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, it's rent. I think she rents out her house, and then she's renting this bigger house. But I think she's doing well.

[Jeff Lewis]

Good.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. And I like to see that. I like to see my housewives, like, doing other things besides just being a housewife.

[Jeff Lewis]

Agreed, Agreed.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So you like watching housewives sell real estate?

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, at least they have a job.

[Tamra Judge]

I just want. I just want these housewives to have another job, because this is not a career. It's not like you're, like, the same way, you know What? Oh, I get fired tomorrow. Oh, well, I'm gonna go get a job on Netflix. No, it doesn't work like that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, right.

[Tamra Judge]

It doesn't work like that. You're gonna go to Nordstrom.

[Jeff Lewis]

You could make good money there, though.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jeff Lewis]

Shoe department.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Oh, very successful. Work off commercial.

[Jeff Lewis]

You can make, like 100 grand a year. That's there. Yeah. Linda in Texas for Teddy, line three. Hi, Linda.

[Unidentified Caller/Listener]

Shout out, Sean.

[Jeff Lewis]

What's up?

[Unidentified Caller/Listener]

Thank you. First, I just wanted to say that I would love to see Amanda from Beverly Hills and Vicki, like, on a show together.

[Tamra Judge]

I think that would be perfect because

[Teddi Mellencamp]

they're both so unaware.

[Tamra Judge]

I think Vicki would eat her alive.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

It would eat her.

[Tamra Judge]

She'd be like, what do you do? I don't understand it. It doesn't make any sense.

[Unidentified Caller/Listener]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

No.

[Unidentified Caller/Listener]

But I wanted to ask Teddy. So since she's been going through this health journey, it seems like, you know, your father's trying to, like, draw in closer to you. Have y' all become closer as a result of this? And do you also feel like your previous health status, like, you know, working out and stuff like that helped you basically mustered through this journey as well?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I would say the first thing in regards to my dad. He calls me every single day. I'm super emotional still about everything. So he knows that I have highs and lows. So he's calling in regards through getting through this. I don't want to. I can't even say that anymore. I can't say it's because I'm healthy or it's because I worked out so hard. All I can say is that I really fought hard for it.

[Jeff Lewis]

But you were very fit going into this where maybe a lot of people wouldn't have had the chance that you did because you were so healthy going into this.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, it had to have helped. Yeah, had to have. And by the Way your dad would call you before your cancer, like every time we're together, he's always calling.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know.

[Tamra Judge]

So it's not like you had like a strained relationship, but he was like

[Teddi Mellencamp]

on the Today show or something, telling everybody he wanted me to move home.

[Tamra Judge]

She, like, texts me, she's like, fuck my life.

[Jeff Lewis]

And you're not considering that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I don't think me and Indiana are some time ago.

[Tamra Judge]

I, you know, I'll be honest. I thought in the very beginning, I thought it would be good for you to be home with your. With your brothers and your sister and your dad and just to have that, you know? But you're like, no, my sister lives

[Teddi Mellencamp]

in South Carolina, so that would be the difference.

[Tamra Judge]

Is that close to Indiana?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh,

[Jeff Lewis]

also want to promote two T's in a pod, which is on now five days a week with Tamara and Teddy. And then if you go to venacbd.com now and you use the Jeff Vena code, you can get 30% off every product.

[Tamra Judge]

Every product, yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you're. You strongly recommend these tonics? I. Annie does too. I strongly recommend the gummies for those of you that have trouble sleeping.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, I mean, they're.

[Jeff Lewis]

I take it every night and I freak out if, like, if I travel and I forget it. I'm like, I'm fucked. I can't sleep tonight.

[Tamra Judge]

I know, it's horrible. I'm gonna have find some NyQuil, so.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know that's the only thing. That's the only thing that works. You're right. You're right. You're exactly right. I did want to ask you guys. So, you know, they film you guys getting your hair and makeup all the time.

[Tamra Judge]

I hate it.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, they tried to do that yesterday to me. I called Michael back and I said, so the guy with the producer, Kurt, he comes in, he's like, hey, because Shane and I get like 10 minutes, little quick, little touch ups.

[Tamra Judge]

You get a little powder.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. He go, not today. But he goes, he goes, hey, yeah, we'd like to film you getting makeup. I go, fuck no. I go, this is not Housewives. We're not doing round robins. We're not doing makeup. And I said, those are for shows where they don't have content. I said, but we have content. We don't have to film us getting fucking makeup.

[Tamra Judge]

And so did you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Instead they can pour you. Film you like pouring an orange juice or.

[Tamra Judge]

So did they do it or no. No wonder there's problems. No wonder they said, you're the most difficult to work with.

[Jeff Lewis]

I said, I don't want this show like any other show on Bravo. I know it's formulaic. I said, but I'm not part of that formula. You count me out.

[Tamra Judge]

Nobody wants to watch you get a makeup put on.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, it's stupid.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Would be really upsetting for a lot of people.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now for the Housewives, you know, sometimes they have no friends and they own. They're only friends with their makeup artists. And the only time you ever hear their opinions about the girls is with their makeup artists because they have no friends.

[Tamra Judge]

I know. And they never show our face.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I should probably film the makeup Debbie.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

A release.

[Tamra Judge]

So my makeup artists and hair, they get, like, excited, like, oh, we're gonna film. But then only their arm is shown.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

With their tattoos.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's funny. Now, Teddi, three shows right now that we have to watch.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Three shows that you have to watch. I would say they just have to be Bravo. It doesn't have to be Bravo.

[Jeff Lewis]

It doesn't have to, but we might as well. Okay, start with Bravo.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, if you haven't watched Salt Lake City, I would say binge that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Of course.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think you need to binge that. I think you need to be up to date. I would say Shah's the Valley Persian style.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I'm hoping to end up saying Real Housewives of Orange County.

[Jeff Lewis]

We won't be sorry, Tamara. It's not enough of a shake up.

[Tamra Judge]

Not enough a shakeup. Okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But I loved his and her.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't think they fixed Real Housewives of Orange County. Sorry.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, we haven't filmed yet.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

Maybe it'll be fun and you're all in a good place.

[Jeff Lewis]

Beverly Hills is good. I love Rachel Zo.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love Rachel Zoe.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's the perfect fit. Perfect, perfect fit.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's great. She's great.

[Jeff Lewis]

And Amanda's unfortunately going to be our sacrificial lamb.

[Tamra Judge]

Do you think that she'll be back?

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's back. Do you think we're going to learn more about the cold?

[Jeff Lewis]

She could be a one and done.

[Tamra Judge]

There's a cold.

[Jeff Lewis]

We've kind of done a little deep dive too, with the courses and all of that.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, it's a good business model, but it's, you know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But then now she needs some.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know how she sleeps at night. She needs some Venus cbd. She probably take Jeff. Vena code.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can you believe that she said that about her husband? She's like, I make more than he does.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I was so emasculating, I would kill her. That was so emasculating.

[Tamra Judge]

She's got a house in Newport, too. Or she rents a house. She rents it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, like Jayna does.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my God. You know what?

[Tamra Judge]

I'm late to the game in this one. But you know what? I started watching Euphoria.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, my God, he loves it.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

That's my favorite.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, I read that they're going to do a new season.

[Jeff Lewis]

Traitors. Watch Traitors.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, Traitors. It's so.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, it's so. This is the best season ever.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you watching the Beauty? I want to watch the Beauty.

[Unidentified Caller/Guest]

It's a new.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then I'm watching Landman.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love Landman.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, good. I'm so into it.

[Tamra Judge]

Are you on third season?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Third season or second season?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, no, I'm still on first season. Don't.

[Tamra Judge]

I mean second season.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, but I know. The guy dies.

[Tamra Judge]

Wait, what guy dies?

[Jeff Lewis]

Hold on.

[Tamra Judge]

Nobody dies.

[Jeff Lewis]

Somebody dies.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Somebody dies.

[Jeff Lewis]

Somebody dies. Right, Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Somebody dies.

[Jeff Lewis]

Teddy Mellencamp, it was so good to see you.

[Tamra Judge]

Entire season. Why can't I remember?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'll tell you when we're done. I don't want to spoil.

[Tamra Judge]

And I'll be like, oh, yeah, I remember that.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was very, very happy to see you, Teddy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, thank you so much for having me.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thanks for coming, Tamara. Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis slide every weekday on Sirius XM as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel, exclusively on the SiriusXM app.

[Tamra Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

oh, no.

[Tamra Judge]

My coffee. Brawny here.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

New Brawny 3 ply is now more absorbent.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wow.

[Tamra Judge]

Got a clean shirt.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you wear plaid? Summon the strongest.