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Dr. Austin Lake: Depopulation, Abortion, and the Fight for the Family | Jesus People Podcast Ep 52
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The reason why we're so passionate about it is because we see the kingdom of darkness raging against the family. Because this is the greatest threat to humanity. Again, it's not AI Right. The greatest threat to humanity is not AI the greatest threat to humanity is. Welcome back to the Jesus People podcast. We have the very prestigious Dr. Austin Lake on the pod again.
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Yes. Welcome back.
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Welcome back. Different vibes this time because now we've become homies. That's the great thing about this podcast.
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We're in your house now. I mean, I can see all your stuff right here.
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Yeah, yeah. Don't take it very personal. Yeah, we. We filmed at Trilogy Studios last time. Very, very strict plane.
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True.
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No, I'm just kidding. No, just very much more. Much more high production value. But, yeah, it's nice being in the house.
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Oh, it's very cozy. I think we can actually, like, you know, talk as friends would talk and, you know, colleagues and not feel so rigid in our conversation. For sure. Hopefully. We'll see.
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Family's coming over for dinner tonight.
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Yeah. Yeah. We're going to have. So we have. You have four kids. I have four kids. Right.
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Got a lot of children.
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We have eight kids between us.
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I'm going to text Annie what we're doing for dinner tonight. Okay. Good call. All right. Let me text Annie. What are we doing?
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Is this on the pod now, too, with this text?
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Yeah. Might as well run it. Hey, sweetie, what's for dinner tonight, question mark.
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Because obviously she knows what's for dinner, but you don't because you have a different, like, role in the household or something.
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Or do you guys do sexist.
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I know.
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That's what we want to get into today.
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Yeah.
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Is we're going to talk about it. Yeah, it's. It's cool. Getting to be buddies and then just talking about weird stuff and. Yeah, and serious stuff, too.
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Very serious stuff. Like, you know, the fact that we're not going to replace our population here in the next, like, 20 to 50 years. So that's not good.
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And I don't feel like anyone's talked about that since Elon said it. And then it just kind of, like, disappeared into the ether. Elon dropped like, hey, I'm sounding the alarm. This is the greatest threat to humanity is that we're not making enough babies. And that has serious implications.
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Well, I think. I think it starts with we're cultivating a culture that doesn't prioritize children.
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Right.
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Like, when I go to other cultures, especially in Costa Rica. We were there a couple years ago. And they just, like, were so kind and responsive and respectful to our children that, like, when I got back to the United States, it was a notable difference between how they were treated there and how they were treated here. And I think we've created a culture that we feel annoyed by children. We feel like they're just in the way. But the reality is, when we all start getting older and we need people to take care of us, we're not going to have the younger generation to drive the buses and chop the wood. Or I guess it could all be run by AI now. Who knows how it'll be in the future. But the point is still the same, that we have to be able to have a younger generation to support the older generation.
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Right. I think it's why abortion. So demonic.
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Yeah.
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Jesus came to bring life.
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Right.
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If you can literally look at the kingdom of God and be like, anything that brings life is the kingdom. And you can look, in the Old Testament, they would. They would sacrifice babies to Moloch.
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Right.
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And today it's the same thing. They thought that sacrificing those babies would give them power to do the things they wanted to do and to receive this, you know, ability. And it's the same deal now. It's just a little more covert.
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Yeah.
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It's like, I'm going to sacrifice my baby in order to live my life. Which is the fundamental demonic lie that Satan doesn't want you to worship him. He wants you to worship you. And so let's find your truth. Let's find what, what makes you comfortable.
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It's for your health. And.
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Yeah, it's for your health. It's. It's women's rights.
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Yeah.
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It's. Yeah. They're trying to take away our women's rights and our medical care. Dude. The feminists were rallying against abortion early on.
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Right.
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Because it was so clear, like, how are we going to tear apart a baby inside of you and call that medical care, call that women's?
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Yeah. It's honestly one of those things that it has to be a conversation that we get into details about, like you just did, and we kind of start saying it, calling it what it is, because especially as Christians that are endorsing this, I just really don't know how you can do that unless you truly haven't looked into it.
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Yes.
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Like, if you are so ignorant to it, then that could make some sense. But if you actually look into it, then I really do question your theology and your heart, because it's just. For me, it's impossible. And so we have to find all these alternative ways to justify it. But the reality is, like you just said, it's. It's demonic worship, you know, it's. It's sacrifice for, you know, worship of self. Worship of self. And I think that's. That's hit the nail on the head.
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Yeah. And I think, I think with the. The martyrdom of Charlie Kirk, I think a lot of content creators are feeling a lot more liberty and freedom and boldness to just speak the truth.
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Right.
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Like, I'm done. Like, I do not care. I might have had a little bit of trepidation to talk about abortion the way I just did before. I don't freaking care anymore. I don't care.
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Well, it's a light versus darkness thing, Right. We were saying before, like, the light, anything that is of the light is of God. And I think when we start seeing these demonic forces that are. That were like, it's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Right. And for us, now that clothing has been revealed and we're kind of starting to see these people for who they are, I have a sympathy for them in a way, because it's like, I want you to be called to Christ and your calling, but I also am not going to sit by and idly and say that, like, what you're doing is okay.
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Well, and I think too, I have sympathy as well, because up until I watched the RFK Rogan interview, I was full vax. And then I watched it and I literally had a repentance moment. I was like, lord, how did I just go with this? How is this just, like, something that I just fully believed and did to my children before actually looking into what the data said? And it's so funny now. The kingdom of darkness, a lot of them again, because I hate to make it Republican, Democrat. That's not it.
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That's not what it is.
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Not it. It's light versus dark. But a lot of the kingdom of darkness, a lot of the lies that it's perpetuating is that they're on the side of science.
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Right.
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And right now, it is so blatant. What side is on the side of science? It's God's side. It's like, and the truth will set you free. And so the enemy's doing everything he can to shield the truth and to confuse the truth more than anything.
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Yeah. Confusion is really where it happens. I think deception is their game. If there's enough confusion and enough social pressure to get people thinking that this is the truth. And if you tell A big lie over and over again enough times, you'll start to have people believe it. Right. And so what we're facing now is this revealing of the truth and starting to identify whose ideologies assigned where, and are they making their political party or their medical community their religion, and it becomes a religious issue. And when you don't have God, you're going to find other ways to have religion. And that's what people are done with their health. And that's why you see people like these women that are taking mega doses of Tylenol while they're pregnant, just despite RFK and Trump, because it's like, it goes against their ideologies as a religion, when the reality is, if you truly care about the science, there have been papers since, you know, 2017 showing from Harvard that, like, Tylenol does these things, but now it's becoming politicized because Trump said it. And, like, that's where you start to see that, like, health is not political, but it's become very political because people make it a religion.
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I was almost bummed to see Trump do the announcement because I knew what. What would happen.
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Sure.
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Because I care about people. I don't care about people that are Trump supporters or on the right. I care about people. And I knew that what this would do is it would cause the left, the other side, to be like, now we're going harder. It's like, wait, why does it have to be like this is. This is what the enemy wants. He wants division. He wants confusion. Confusion. He wants chaos, and he wants death. The devil comes to steal, kill and destroy.
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Absolutely.
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So anything that goes against life. Again, back to kind of our conversation of what I think is truly the greatest threat to humanity. It's not AI.
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Right.
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It's not the Republicans, it's not the Democrats. It's not World War 3. This is the greatest threat to humanity. And I would just ask you, as a doctor, why?
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Well, I mean, like we were saying before, if you can't replace what you're losing, you're not going to exist. Right. And so the reason it's happening is, in my opinion, very well strategically planned. If you go back, you know, to 1910, like we talked about in our first podcast with the Flexon Report and the Rockefeller foundation, how they're funding a pharma Kia, which is a sorcery, that's really the root word of it, is sorcery. Movement or mentality within the conventional medical system, you start to uproot the things that work, and you start to Replace it with things that create lifelong customers. Right. And so not only that, there's a stated agenda from people like the World Economic Forum where they want depopulation, they want more control, they want less, you know, greenhouse gases and they want to protect the Earth, they want less cows farting in the pastures so we don't have less meat. And we want all these things that it's like we're, we're idle idol worshiping the Earth when the reality is my belief is that, you know, carbon gases are good for the Earth. Like we have, we, we want CO2 emissions because it actually makes the planet greener and it helps trees and the trees produce oxygen. So I'm expert on that, but I know that basic amount of science and so that whole thing doesn't make sense to me. But we're worshiping the planet and shifting our focus away from the people that are God's creation. And there is a balance there, there's a balance to protecting our environment and there's a balance to protecting our people. But we've shifted it so much to where it's all about this greenhouse gas effect and your social credit score to where that's what's going to dictate what you can and can't do. And I think if there's less people involved, it's just more easily controllable. Dang.
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Yeah. So it's so funny like thinking about a good grass fed meat, beef and how that's the one food that if you just ate that for the rest of your life you'd survive.
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Yeah.
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You can't say that about chicken.
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Right.
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You can't say that about carrots.
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Yeah.
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Fish. You can't say about anything else other than a good lean grass fed beef.
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Yeah.
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And that's the one thing they're after.
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Yeah, well, yeah, and, and what they're doing now too is. Yeah, right. They're doing, what they're doing now is, you know, a lot of these vaccines are creating a rise in Alpha Gal syndrome, which I'm not sure if you're familiar with that term, but it basically means you're allergic to meat. So like you have these vaccines and then it starts triggering this immune system response. And one of the things that we're seeing an increase of is Alpha Gal. And so you eat, you know, a bovine product, a cow product and like you can't tolerate it, you have like allergic response. So now you have to eat all these alternative meat sources. And that to me seems a little suspicious that we're seeing that now with their stated agenda just a wee bit. Tiny bit. That's just a conspiracy.
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Yeah. And so you are a doctor who specializes in women's health.
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Yeah.
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What are some other areas of health and nutrition? And what are some other agendas at play that are of the death cult, if you could call it that.
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Yeah, it is a death cult. I mean, so we've talked about abortion. We, you know, we were talking with your wife before this, like birth control. You know, birth control is this thing that is being used as an intervention for treatment for, you know, PMS or heavy menstrual cycles or, you know, like these situations that these young women are having these symptoms with that is not because they need birth control, but they're using birth control to cover their symptoms. And then it starts creating other issues with fertility, and it starts creating other issues with their menstrual cycle to where fertility rates are just dropping like crazy. And so birth control is a big one. And I think what people need to focus on is obviously the most obvious is the food, their sleep, their water, making sure they're drinking clean water that's not full of fluoride, making sure they're breathing clean air in their house and not having a bunch of scented candles, making us all term feminine and all those basic things. But I think beyond that, it's just understanding that your body, when it's fully supplied with the nutrients that it needs it, it heals, it makes babies, it provides you energy, you make muscle. You don't have early graying of hair like you have. You have a good life. Right. You have longevity. But you see diseases start to show up when you have chronic states of deficiency. And that's when you start to see autoimmune issues increase. You start to see cardiovascular issues, diabetic type problems, like you start seeing thyroid issues. And all of it's because the body's in a state or it's in an environment that's constantly kind of going after it and attacking it. But if you have these materials, these raw materials within your system, you'll be able to detox from it, you'll be able to fight it, you'll be able to kind of overcome it to a certain extent. You know, we all die at some point, but the reality is most of us are getting bombarded with all these exogenous chemicals that are coming into our system. And because we have bad gut health and we don't have a good defense, and our immune systems are shot and we're not getting good sleep, we become a breeding ground for disease. And the cool thing is that because God created us to heal, we can reverse a lot of these things. There are certain things that are hard to reverse. Like if you get ionized radiation from, like, Chernobyl. Chernobyl, like, that's kind of difficult to. To overcome. Granted, they. They actually did use potassium iodine to do that. For a lot of these kids that had thyroid cancer, they're able to reverse even that. But the whole point is that, like, a lot of these things are. Are contributed to what we do or what we don't do.
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Yeah. And I think that's what you and I get so fired up on.
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Yeah.
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It's been cool having, like, I don't know, just like this. The biggest blessing of this podcast has been buddies.
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Yeah.
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You know, and you're probably the closest buddy I have from this podcast.
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Let's go.
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Yeah. Yeah. You win.
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Hear that, guys?
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But, you know, just talking about these things and getting fired up and texting, you know, voice memos back and forth and getting on the phone, and I think what it's really come down to for you and I is we're. We're so passionate about getting back to good family living.
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Right.
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And we've got this community we're launching called the Kingdom Path to Wellness. From Sabbath to Supplements, where we go in to details on how. What do you do with your pantry? What do you do with your fridge, what do you do with your water? What do you do with your air? What do you do for your Sabbath, what do you do for your children? What do you do with your wife? Like, all of these things. And I think, really, at its core, the reason why we're so passionate about it is because we see the Kingdom of Darkness raging against the family. Because this is the greatest threat to humanity. Again, it's not AI. Right. The greatest threat to humanity is not AI. The greatest threat to humanity is depopulation.
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Yep. Yep. And I mean, I think if you're a Christian or even if you're not a Christian, this affects you, it affects everybody. Right. And that's why it is humanity. It is a human, a humane issue that we have to be. I. I think it's so true, though. Like, we just have to have the right mindset going into this. Like, we have to know, like, this is a war. Like, this is not just to, like, for longevity. This isn't just to look good in a dress. Like, this is to. To, like, save your family and your lineage and your generations to come. And we have the tools to do It God's provided us a structure in our household. He's provided us an understanding, a wisdom that comes from the Holy Spirit, to be able to discern these things and ask good questions and to learn more, to overcome our iniquities. These things that we do, knowing they're not good for us and we do them anyway. He's given us the ability to overcome these things and to choose life and to grow in our skill sets, to provide for our families and to. To buy better food for them and to love our wives a little bit better than we did before. And, like, all these things require, in my opinion, the Holy Spirit to do so. But we're equipped with that, right? And so now there's no real excuse that we can rely on. Like, we have to face it as the reality of, okay, like, what is. What is my family doing as the leader of my household? Or me and my spouse are leading this household? Like, what. What do we need to do to start changing it? And that's, like, what we want to get into is those details, right?
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And that's the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is wherever Christ is made king. So is. Is he king over your food that you eat? Is he king over your pantry? Is he king over your date night? Is he king over your Sabbath? Is he king over your discipline of your children? And I think we've been so siloed for so long, we've had, you know, ear, nose, and throat doctor. And then you go to a nutritionist, and then you go to your pastor, and he just does the spiritual stuff. And I think what we're trying to bring to the forefront is, no, we're going to live in the kingdom of God. And what that means is taking back our families and submitting them and putting them on the altar for the Lord and saying, lord, how do want me to live my life? How do you want me as a man to lead my family? How do you want me as a spouse to raise our children? How do you want me as a son or a daughter to be obedient to my parents? These are the type of things that have not just implications in your home. They have generational impact, and then they have cultural impact where the neighbor next door or the friend that comes over sees the way you're living. And that's called discipleship. And that's why we've put together the kingdom path to wellness is because there's so many of these things that holistically, when you do them right, when you eat good food, when you get good air and good water and you treat your, your wife with the honor that she deserves. She becomes a well watered vine as the scriptures say. And then you raise up your children to be God fearing men and women of God. You have blessing upon blessing, right, that you didn't have access to when you were just doing what everyone else was doing. Right. And so tell us a little bit more about what we've put together. Tell us a little bit about this course in this community.
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Yeah, so I think the first thing is it's super important. Like this is, it's not just about information, right? Like it's about implementing the right information consistently and having a community around you I think is really what it takes to do that. And in a world where you have AI like you could go right now and you could, you could AI my book and you could get everything out of that thing that I put in there and you could get all the information. But if you don't apply any of that information, it's useless. Right. And so it really comes back to what is, what is it going to be for Christians and for people, society moving forward? It's going to be community. It's going to be having a close knit community that is pushing each other forward in the right direction and then having that iron sharpen iron mentality when it comes to like, hey, I know this is hard, I know you're pushing through this stuff but like just keep going. Or hey, what did you do for this? Or your kid had this issue, what did you try for that? Or my, my spouse and I have been fighting and this is what we've been going through. And like hey, us too. Like this is what we've been trying. And just like all those like little bits and pieces that I think people really need and are like super hungry for is what we are trying to put together in this community. Like we're going to provide you the practical information with like the how to and what to actually do with your pantry and the supplements and your Sabbath and all that stuff. But more than that, I think this is going to be built into a long term community focused group that who knows, like, maybe it'll lead to like conferences one day like in person. Or maybe it means like we're actually bringing together singles and helping them to connect and start their own families or people that already have families helping them to like get, get pregnant for the first time. Or if you are trying to get pregnant for the fourth time and you're having issues getting pregnant, like helping them with that or whatever it means. Just like we want to meet families where they are and we want to help to strengthen the Christ centered family. And I think that's, that's the vision and that's, that's what we're going for.
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But yeah, it's, it's to, to bring life and life to the fullest.
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Right.
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And so many people don't even realize that they're living these half lives. They're, they're, they're living these, these lives that are chronically ill and chronically underfed spiritually and they don't have community. Like we used to be so communal and we've gotten in these silos, we're all just scrolling and just like we're together but we're separated. And I think that's what the enemy's intended.
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Right.
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And so yes, I think in this community, the kingdom path to wellness we're putting together, it's going to be great for people to get the answers to their questions. The nuanced answers.
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Yeah.
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Because there's so much information out there. Like people know, like, okay, I need to be kind to my wife.
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Right.
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But in this specific situation, how do I lead her? Well, how do I pray with her? And we want to give you those answers. But more than anything, anything. The community piece.
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Yeah.
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Where we're coming together as believers and we're saying this is okay, this is not okay. Because culture is a result of what you allow and what you don't allow.
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Right.
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And so. And we want to give people to access to us too.
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Right.
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Like I, I'm sure you do as well. So many DMs. And it breaks my heart that there are these like paragraphs written of these like nuanced situations that people are going through. And I'm like, ah, I so deeply want to give you that wisdom.
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Yeah.
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I just don't have 100 hours in a day.
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Right. Yeah. But if it's in a community setting where we have maybe, you know, a weekly call or something, like some kind of interaction where it's a live piece like that really will allow for people to get like nuanced answers from, from whatever perspective we can provide, obviously we're not going to be, you know, their primary care provider or their, you know, primary whatever. It's like we want to make sure that we're maintaining that, that professional distance, but at the same time connecting with real people and making sure we're meeting where they are and then saying like, hey, this is as far as we can take you, but maybe if you look at connecting and with this person and this part of your. Of your world, like, then you can kind of go further with. With that. But I do think for most people that are going to be joining this, they're going to want the little nuances on how to actually implement this stuff. And then when things don't go perfectly well and they run into an obstacle, then we're there to kind of help, to kind of keep coaching them through it to make sure they're getting the insights that they need to be successful.
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Yeah, absolutely. So if you guys are interested in that, we're going to put the link in the show notes. We're opening it up for not a ton of people to start because we want to get this right. Like. Like doctor, like, saying this is not something that we're just doing because we want, you know, to create a business. Like, we're good. Like, we're like the Lord. The Lord is taking care of us. We're okay. But we are so passionate about giving a holistic approach to kingdom living that it's almost like we've just been compelled to do this because we're seeing this doesn't exist.
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Right.
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I mean, you're a doctor. I, like, my background has been in the mental health space. Mental and emotional health space. And so together. And we're both parents of four kids with great relationships with our wives. That's rare. And I think the Lord has given us mentors that have poured into us.
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Absolutely.
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And I think at this point in our lives, it's time to give back and to create something that's bigger than ourselves.
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Yeah. And I think what you hit the nail on the head. It's not even like we feel compelled to do it. We feel maybe there's not like, it's kind of like what started me in this whole online space is like, I feel like, well, if somebody has to do something, and it's like, well, why not? Why not you? Like, you should do something. And that's how I feel now. It's like, why? Why wouldn't we do something? Like, God gave us both big platforms. He's given us amazing families, amazing wives. We've all had our own journeys that we've walked through to kind of get where we are not saying that we got it all figured out either. Like, we want to also bring in other people that are experts in their own particular fields that are supporting this mission, you know, at different times. But the whole point is that we want to help grow the nuclear. They want to help to grow the family. That is going to be honoring Christ and advancing Christ's kingdom. And I think. I don't know about you, but that makes me really excited when I think about that 100%.
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And I'll say this, too. Like, I've got a lot of amazing dudes in my life. Like, a lot of amazing husbands, a lot of amazing fathers. When you go on vacation with someone, you see a lot of their parenting style. You see a lot of how the husband and wife interact. And. And I think I texted you after we went on vacation, and I was like, I just want to let you know, you are, like, peak alpha of anyone I've ever seen. The best that leads their family. I'm serious. You watch your children, you watch their honor for you, and you watch how you play with them, how you interact. There's this deep relationship and there's deep respect. And then you and Carly, it's just like, it's a. It's an amazing relationship.
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I mean. Yeah, I really do. That's probably the best compliments I've ever gotten. So I really appreciate that just being, you know, completely raw with you. But I will say, like, I. We were a little bit worried going on vacation. People we had just met, you know, we didn't just meet, but, like, yeah, it's a little bit different when you bring the families together and stay in a cabin and. Oh, yeah, dude, same to you guys. Like, it was really. We talked about that for a few weeks after the fact because it was just such a special, special thing to kind of pull together last minute to do it. And our kids drive so well. We all drive so well. Like, you guys parent the crap out of your kids so well. Like, excuse my French, but, like, you guys do such.
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Sounds aggressive. You parent the crap out of them.
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But no, it's like you. You just, like, you love your kids, right? Like, you're intentional. You want what's best for them. And you also, because you want what's best for them, you're going to do what they need. Like, you're going to do what it takes. And, like, that's not always easy as a parent, when you're tired, you don't feel well, and like, you don't want to discipline, but you know, you need to because you love them. Like, that's. That's like such a godly parent. So thanks for modeling that for us, too.
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Oh, I appreciate it, man.
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B
Yeah. So anyway, you guys should definitely join our community because we got it all figured out.
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A
We're perfect. No, dude. Oh, my gosh dude, my.
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The.
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The call from my wife this morning. Like, we let her. We let our son stay home from school today, and I guess he. He. So his. It was his birthday party yesterday.
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B
Oh.
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Like, well, there were toys all over this place. Like, toys everywhere. And he's like. He's just fighting with the girls because they're trying to play with his. Like, oh, my gosh.
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So kids are rough.
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It's. It's so humbling. Yeah. Even this morning, I was on another podcast, and I was just talking to Ed Young. He's a pastor in the area. And I was just, like, I didn't realize how angry of a person I was until I had kids.
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I know.
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And I just liked Real Talk, so. So, yeah, definitely not trying. We're definitely trying to hype up this community because we're passionate about it, but we have not arrived.
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B
No.
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A
And I still yell at my kids.
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B
And I never do that. Yeah.
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Yeah. I still yell at my kids. I still have fights with my wife. I will say we don't fight that much. Yeah. So that's one of the things. And I think that's credit to her.
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Yeah.
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But if you want to see your sin right in front of you, have four kids under five years old, just. Just turn your house into shambles.
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B
Yeah.
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Just have your daughter draw on walls.
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Yeah. Pee in the corner and do whatever else. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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No, I think. I think kids are. My wife and I were talking about on the. Just a couple days ago, but we had just arrived at our. At our hotel, and we had been there for like, an hour, and we're like, okay, let's go back home. Like, kind of referencing our room that we're staying in. And she's like, we have to go back home already. And my wife's like, no, obviously not. You know, but, like, to a kid, like, they're just going. Going along with it, right? Like, they don't know what's really going on, but it's really kind of a testament to children. Like, they don't. They don't know what the schedule is. They don't have these, like, social perspectives. They only kind of know what you tell them and what you're modeling for them. And it really kind of, in that moment, humbled me. Just be like, man, like, I have such an important role in their life. Like, I can shape their viewpoint on the world, their false beliefs, like, their strengths or weaknesses. Like, I am a little God to the. In their world. And that is so humbling when you think about it, because. Yeah. Like when you don't feel well, when you have brain fog, when you're tired, when you're like you're hungover or whatever from the night before, like, trying to be a parent, a good parent, is extremely difficult when you don't feel good. And I think that that's why I work with women and that's why I always have, because I know that if I can help the mom, I can help the whole family. And women are a lot more susceptible to the ebbs and flows of, of of their day and stress because of all the fluctuations in their hormones. Right. Men are made to pull a heavy load for a long time. Like, we have a pretty stable cycle. It's over the course of 24 hours, just with the sun. And there's a reason for that. I think God created us differently, and I think it's. We want to honor what, like you were saying, like, caring for women as that sacred vessel and viewing in that way makes you want to live a little bit differently.
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Yeah.
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Not because they're a weaker vessel, but because of their. They're just, they're more important. Like, they have an important role to our family. And, and I think we have to kind of maintain that perspective. And it's not to say that husbands aren't important and husbands have to just buck up all the time, but it just means that we have to understand that the attack is directly on women for a reason, because they are the life givers to our society. And that's why women have, you know, five to eight times more time or more thyroid issues. And 80% of the autoimmune issues, and 80% of them have hormonal issues. And one out of every two women have anxiety. Like, it's, it's just such a prevalent issue that we have to protect them. Like, we have to protect them and shield them from, you know, I mean, it is really shielding them from the world and what the evil forces that are up against them because it's attacking the nuclear family. And I think when we understand that, we can allow them to do what their gifts and giftings are. And everyone was a little bit different. But I think if we understand what they're up against and who's attacking them and why, it starts to make me fired up. And I'm like, I want to do whatever I can to protect my wife and as many women as we can, you know?
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Yeah. You know what's so funny as you're saying that, like, you're talking about how your target is to the mom, you Feel so passionate about reaching the mom because of all the reasons you just listed out. My passion is to the husbands.
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Yeah.
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And that's where the coach in me can come out.
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Sure.
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Because I've been blessed enough to have men go before me and good mentors that are like, no, Ryan, you will pray with your wife.
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Yeah.
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And it feels uncomfortable now, but you will do it. And you will read the word of God over your children. And for me, I come at it from a different perspective where I'm like, if I can get to the dad, if I can convince the dad to lead. Because guess what? If the dad goes to church and for the first time, his family will follow him 93% of the time. If the wife goes to church, she becomes a Christian, her family will follow her. I think, like, 17% of the time.
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Yeah.
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A
So there's something about male leadership.
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The same is true for the health in the home, too.
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A
Right.
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Like that. Like physical health.
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It follows the dad.
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Yeah.
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And so my. My charge, my. And I. I feel like the Holy Spirit's told me this, that eventually my ministry will pivot to men, I think maybe, you know, with a little bit more gray hairs and stuff like that.
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Sure.
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I just feel like if you can convince the dad to fall madly in love with Jesus. Not convince him. If you can just show him what it looks like.
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B
Right.
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To fall madly, then he'll fall madly in love with Jesus and so will his family.
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Yeah.
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And that doesn't just impact the mom. It impacts the children, and it impacts generations to come. Because my dad taught me how to pray.
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B
Yeah.
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My dad would take me to get donuts every Friday morning. We called it special morning. And we would read the word of God every Friday morning.
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B
That's awesome.
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Guess what I do with my son now and my daughters? Every Friday morning, I take my son, we get donuts, and he memorizes a new Bible verse. We rehearse the ones, the other 30 that he's memorized. Then I come home with donuts. My wife takes the girls out back, they memorize a Bible verse, and they eat donuts together. It's because my dad did it.
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Yeah.
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And so my. My charge to the men is like, are you going to break the cycle? Because you might not have been shown.
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Sure.
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To take your kids to go get donuts. But you're without excuse now because there's so much wisdom out there. Look at Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk took a full Sabbath with everything out on his calendar. Take a full Sabbath.
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B
Yeah.
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My wife's been calling me out for that recently, and I'm so grateful for it.
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So true.
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Because if you can just look, if you can be a collector of the wisdom of the men out there, not just for men, but just Christians in general, women as well. But if you can look at people that you respect that are following Jesus and just say, I'm just gonna take a nugget of gold from them and a nugget of gold from them, you're gonna be a really rich man. You're gonna be a really wise man. And so I think a lot of dudes, they're like, well, I don't really want to do that because it's uncomfortable. Well, that's called cowardice. And the way that you change is by doing things that are uncomfortable. We're all awkward before. And so my goal with this community is to speak life into the men and to say, it's time for you to step up.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And yes, you might be tired after work. Yes, you might be exhausted because you've got that job that's so demanding. Well, guess what's going to give you life is to get on the floor with your kids, and then instead of popping the beer and watching the Netflix show, to look your wife in the eyes and ask her how her day was. And then when she says it was really hard, you don't try to fix it. You say, wow, that must have been really hard. And then you sit there and you listen some more. Like, these are.
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B
Keep going. More of this. I'm gonna write this down. Okay, go ahead.
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Yeah. Oh, dude. And I'm speaking in all hypocrisy at.
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Times, but, yeah, it's the fact that you're hitting these points. I think this is. This is what the community is going to be about, though. Right? It's like having these conversations and then having an assignment or a task, like, hey, let's go out and do it now, and let's, like, follow up and let's see how it went. And I think I. I really do. I. I want. I want it to be male first driven. I think that's the best way to do it. I think for some of the people that are coming to this group, it's. They're going to be coming in as a single. They're gonna be coming in as a come from a broken family.
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Yeah.
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So we have to meet people where they are. But the whole point is, no matter where you are, like, you can still be ushered forward. Like, you can still see healing within yourself and within your own family. And I think that's the main takeaway here, is that we want to see true healing of the self, individual, but also the family, so they can have a generational impact. And also we need it. Like we're. We're in direct competition with other religions that are doing the same thing, and.
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They'Re dominating and they're making babies.
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They're making a lot of babies, and they're teaching them things that are ungodly. And we, again, not calling that individual person our enemy, but understand, like, who we're up against and that this is good versus evil and light versus darkness. And we don't want to be. We don't want to be neutral. You can't be neutral in those two categories. Like, you're either light or dark. And I think we have to kind of just call spade a spade and know how our enemy is and go for it.
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Yeah. And knowledge comes from information, but transformation happens in relationships of trust.
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B
Right.
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So you can have all the knowledge you want. In fact, the Bible tells you in the last days, knowledge is going to increase. We're seeing that with AI right now.
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B
Absolutely.
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But if you want to become transformed into the image of Christ, which is the goal of walking in the kingdom of God, you have to get in community, you have to get in relationships of trust. You have to be around people that are a little bit further along, a little bit better than you at certain things. Absolutely. And that happens by watching more is caught than is taught. So I go on vacation with you, and I watch the way you parent your kids. I watch the way your little boy climbs up into your lap and you just sit there with him. You don't throw on a show. You don't instantly try to figure out how to, like, make him happy. You just sit with him and you just talk with him and you just sip your cup of coffee with him. I'll never forget that because I watched it. And so now what I do is in the morning, my little Halibel, she climbs on my lap and we talk.
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Yeah.
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A
And sometimes we do watch the Padres highlights.
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B
Yeah, of course.
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But other times, like yesterday morning, I just felt like reading her the Bible. And, you know, if she's like, half asleep. Yeah, I just started reading the Bible out loud to her. That came from watching you. And so that, to me, is discipleship. I think so often people think discipleship is like, oh, let's, you know, I took that, you know, younger person to a coffee shop and yeah, we're like the same age. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We, like, read that thing and we read that book of the Bible, and then that was it. No, no, no. Discipleship is like. Like doing life together.
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B
Yeah, absolutely.
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And watching the way people live and watching the nuances. Watching how you come up and hug your wife from behind and kiss her on the neck and ask, you know, ask her how her day was.
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Yeah.
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Those little things, especially if you didn't get them growing up or if you haven't gotten them even in your adulthood, get around people that are doing them and watch the way they do them, and you will be transformed. You won't just be informed. Information is surface. Deep transformation happens at a heart level, and it happens in community.
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Yeah. And I. I think one thing that I've been thinking about, and I. I echo everything you just said. I think that's. That is the reason. But I think one thing that I felt, because I've reached out to some churches, and I'm wanting to. To partner with them and doing this stuff, and. And they kind of have this health focus and all that. And I've gotten kind of some surprising responses, just like, no, it's, like, too political or, like, it's too. It's not like we want to make sure we're aligned with our congregation, and we can't assign to, like, a diet or whatever. I'm just like. I was like, guys, like, I don't know. It's just been so frustrating that I feel like we have just felt like, okay, like, we'll just do it then. Like, we'll. We'll create. And, like, again, we don't have to be experts in everything. We're not. I don't even know if I can call myself an expert in anything, But I do feel like we have a passion with some aligned principles and purposes that will truly help a lot of people and maybe even fill a void that the church can't fill or won't fill. I don't know. But we want to be able to kind of complement what churches are doing, but also fill a lot of the gaps. And I think that's kind of how I'm looking at it more recently. Yeah.
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A
Amen. Amen. Yeah. And I think now is the time. I think, you know, in this revival season we're in right now.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like, I just. I just don't care anymore. Like I said.
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B
Right.
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A
It's time to speak the truth in boldness. The disciples prayed for boldness when they got sent out. They didn't pray for mercy or they didn't pray for empathy, or they didn't pray for compassion. They didn't. All those are good things. They prayed for boldness.
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B
Right.
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A
And so I think we're very clear with where we stand on things. And our intention is to go against the death cult which is trying to depopulate the world. Let's put it right out there. And how we're going to do that is we want wellness within the family. We want you to have children, we want you to love your wives, we want you to be gentle with your children. We want you to understand what your pantry should look like and what supplements and what labs you should go get and how you can best live holistically in the kingdom of God. We want you to talk about a Sabbath rhythm and date night with your spouse. All of those things are life giving. And again, it's very easy to head knowledge, know that it's good to go on a date with your spouse, but to do it is different.
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B
We want it. We want to bypass the ignorance of the things that we don't know that are causing us harm. And then we want to address the iniquities of the things that we do know are causing us harm. So we have to be able to address both those categories. And I think we can do that in this community very well. And just kind of keep reminding people why and kind of keep reminding people that like, hey, when you do this, this isn't pixie dust. Like, this, this stuff actually works and it can reverse conditions. It can, it can heal bodies, it can heal broken souls and broken emotions and dark places like, like the gospel is more than capable of doing that. But there are also tangible day by day things that you can implement by using your food and using your supplements and using your knowledge to heal and to then take what you learn and then tell the people that are in your church and in your community groups like what you've done and then help them do the same thing, like in that discipleship way. And then they did the same thing and then they did the same thing and next thing you know, the world looks different, dude.
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A
And the great thing about a community is it's specific to your situation.
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B
Right.
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A
And so whether you are a single dude who is trying to find a godly wife and trying to live out biblical principles, or whether you're a pregnant woman wanting to know, how do you, how do you like, supplement? How do you feed yourself in each trimester?
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B
Right.
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A
Like the, like my wife when she was pregnant with our daughter. Horrible postpartum anxiety.
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B
Yeah.
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And horrible sickness. First trimester, she said done. She started eating right yeah, she started doing all the things. She started getting curious and studying.
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B
Yeah.
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And, dude, it was arth with Hallie, our third. It was like a dream. Her labor was easy. Her first trimester, she wasn't puking like crazy. And the postpartum stuff, because, like, you've even talked about even. Even the things that are supposedly good on the surface, like taking this prenatal. It's filled with, what, folate, Folic acid. Because folate's good, right? Right. Full of gap. Like, there are so many little nuanced things that are specific if you're single and you're looking at pornography.
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B
Right.
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A
Like, there are ways to get clean from that. There are specific ways for your specific situation. And so that's what we want to do is because it's really easy to watch an Instagram video and be like, oh, I guess that's what I should do. But there's nuance to this, and there's specific situations for each person. There's blood work.
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B
You gotta get basic with it, too. Yeah. I think what we want to do is we want to provide tremendous value. You know, we want to make sure that this is not just. It just can't be a bunch of more information that overwhelms people. Like, it really has to be. Has to be the whole thing. Like, it has to be comprehensive, and it has to truly work. If it doesn't work, then this community will fall flat on its face. And that. I guess that's possible, but I don't think that's going to happen at this point. I think God has brought us here for a reason, and he's brought you and I together for a reason. And we have such a great opportunity that we just don't want to squander it. And we want to be good stewards of what God's given us with our families and with our. With our health, but also with this platform. And so this really is a. Yeah, it's a passion project. And I'm really. I do feel like. I mean, I was on the. I was mowing my yard, my pasture, when I was thinking about this. When I text you, I just. I felt like I had an epiphany. It was just kind of like I felt like I could see the future with where this is going to go.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And it just made me so excited because I think this is, like, this. This is it. I think this is, like, what. At least what I'm here for. I think this is part of, like, in a professional manner. Like, this is what I'M here for.
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Yeah.
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B
And so I'm really excited about it.
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A
Amen. And back to our initial statement that the greatest threat to humanity is depopulation. Right, like that. That's not just a random thought. Like, that's a. That's a real backed by data statement that is happening very fast and is very scary. And so what do we do about that? Like you said, the Lord's given us a platform for a reason. If I want to fight for anything, I want to fight for one men to lead. But I want to fight for families to come together and to fill the earth and then for generations to come to fill the earth with godly men and women who make a difference. So, yeah, the more I've thought about this, the more I'm like, lord, I really do think you have brought Dr. Lake and I together because we come at it from such different angles.
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B
Yeah. With a shared purpose and shared passion to just glorify God and to just see.
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A
I don't know.
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B
I don't know about you, but families make me excited. Like, I. I think something better than like, senior kids and just seeing how. How you guys get to be an integral part of their life and they're doing well and like, they love you back and they fill you up your cup so you can go out and do more and love other people. Well, like, it's just such a. It's like getting an immediate inheritance, you know, right now. But that was kind of set up for your future. Like, you get it now. Like, you get that inheritance now with your kids, and then you get to see the. The increase of that inheritance as they get older, and then you have grandkids and it's just, I've been. You know, I'm only 30. I'm gonna be 36. And I. I just am. I'm very much looking forward to my future with my kids and then their kids, and then who knows where we'll go from there.
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A
Amen. Yeah. Yeah. We need hats.
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B
We do need hats.
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A
I think. I'm trying to think what should be on the hat. Something like make families great again.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Make Dad's present again. That'd be a good one, too.
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B
That's good. Yeah. We could. We could do something different. There's like the Save the Babies hats. I like those.
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A
Save the human. Yeah, Save the Human babies. I've seen those. Yeah, that's great.
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B
Grow the Babies movies. I don't know. We'll think of something.
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A
We gotta get.
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B
If you guys have any ideas, let us know. But yeah, we could find something.
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A
Well, I'm excited, man. Again, if you guys are interested in the community, the kingdom path to wellness, from Sabbath to supplements. We'll put the link in the show notes and again, we'll just open this up for a select few to start.
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B
And then we'll continue.
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A
Yeah, just make sure that get a.
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B
Nice discount too, if you're one of the first founding. Founding members or whatever we're going to call it. So, man, Amen. So get all the goodies.
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A
Yeah. Well, dude, appreciate it. Always good to hang.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Love you, bro. To many more conversations. To many more lives.
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B
I just have to move to Dallas. Unfortunately, not unfortun. Fortunately, you guys just moved. Yeah, we're still in our house, actually.
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A
Oh, you're okay. Still in process.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Okay. What's the address again?
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B
It's.
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A
Where can you find Dr. Lake?
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B
You could probably look it up, honestly. Just don't look it up, please. I like my privacy. Anyway, we have to move closer to the. To your location.
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A
Yeah. Come on down, bro. There's the Texas happening.
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B
So I only come here like fall and spring, though.
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A
Yeah. Well, I would ask you guys if. If you're like, hey, it's not the right season for me to join this community. Could you just pray for this community? I think we need a lot of prayer. This is like enemy territory here.
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B
Yeah. I've already had people come after my license for the things I've been putting out there recently. And so I know that's only going to increase with this kind of stuff because we're becoming more unashamedly outspoken about it. And I think when we go after this topic, this is the topic that they're pushing, like they want this more than anything else. And so I think we're going to be met with quite a bit of resistance. But I also believe in God's providence and protection. And again, you know, to die is to gain and for those who are in Christ. And I think we're not. We're not trying to intentionally do that, but I do feel like we're gonna need a lot of prayer, so.
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A
Amen.
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B
That's wise.
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A
Amen. Well, thank you guys for joining us. Thank you for watching the Jesus people podcast with us. Check out the community, the links in the show notes. Dr. Lake.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Appreciate it, man.
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B
Yeah.