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Ella Ringrose: New Age Psychic to Jesus | Jesus People Podcast Episode 51
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I started to ask them to reveal themselves. They were literally all demons. And I. I'm not just Reiter. I'm not just exaggerating, like, oh, there was some good in it. I. That's why I say I feel I was relying only on the strength of my heart, because what was actually working behind it was demonic. And I saw what they truly look like when I asked them to reveal themselves in the name of Jesus. And they were so dark, and they were like blood was pouring out of their mouth and their eyes. Every single orifice of them was just bleeding and dark and.
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Guys, welcome to the Jesus People podcast. We have the honor of having Ella Ringrose on the podcast today. Ella, thanks so much for being with us.
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A
Thank you for having me.
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B
It's an honor. Well, it. What an amazing journey you've been on. I've gotten to hear a little bit of your story already, and it's fascinating. You have been all over the map. You have tried tons of different New Age modalities and thoughts and practices, and you've landed on Jesus. You've found the one who can truly satisfy your soul. You found the treasure hidden in the field, and so very, very anxious and looking forward to hearing how you got to that place. So tell us a bit of your story. Tell us a bit of your background.
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Yeah, well, I grew up in Ireland, and Ireland is very Catholic dominated, you know, so we had to go to church every single day in school. I would go to church on the weekends. And for whatever reason, I never understood the knowledge. It was like my ear shut down. You know, I'd memorize a few prayers here and there, but up until later in my story, I didn't even know what the Holy Spirit was or the meaning of the cross with Jesus. Right? So at that time, it was like it was completely separate from me. Jesus would be bleeding in a cross in every classroom that I would go to in school. And. And it really scared me at the time. I didn't understand the meaning of it. I just felt like, that's a scary old man and we've sinned. And you were always given out to, you know, you're a sinner. You're all these sort of things, right? So from a young age, I just. God felt very cold to me. And then on top of that, there was a lot of scandals that would happen in the church in Ireland, you know, with the priests that would be sexually assaulting a lot of the children and. And all of these sort of things. So from a very young age, my heart was Very hardened from. From Christianity. And. And from that moment forward, it was like that was just so pushed to the back of my mind. I don't want anything to ever do with that. Right. So I grew up and had a very challenging childhood in many different ways, but the main one was I really struggled in school, and I felt very lonely. I felt very misunderstood. I felt very sensitive, and I was failing everything. I was diagnosed as dyslexia and dyspraxia and trying to get all these learning disabilities. And I remember always just questioning why life was so hard from such a young age and why I felt so depressed and wanting answers and wanting truth. Right. And that's what leads a lot of people onto the new age path. There is a sense of trauma or a sense of not belonging. And so they seek answers. They're spiritually hungry. So essentially, you know, growing up was just very challenging. I found school very hard. On top of that, my ears just shut down every class. Like, I couldn't hear anything. For whatever reason, I could not retain information. Even as young as, you know, hearing Christian language, it didn't go in. Nothing went in for a very long time of my life. And so I found myself at the age of 17 years old, you know, just not feeling I fit in with any of the women. Failing everything, just feeling so ashamed. I was smoking a lot of weed. Then I was, you know, partying and everything like that, just numbing how I was feeling. And I really feel that was such an open door for what was to come, specifically with weed, because it was like my comfort. Every day after school, I would go and I would smoke weed and I would just cry myself to sleep. I'd cry myself. Going into school, my mom was like, she felt so guilty bringing me because I just did not want to go. And I was not happy. I was going to therapy, just all these sort of things, but nothing seemed to be helping. And so I remember the day I said a prayer. I don't even know where it came from. It had been, you know, years of just struggling in school and feeling so lonely. And I just said to whatever was out there, you know, at the time for an answer, a solution. And I remember being at the back of math class and feeling God and feeling God say to drop out of school. And I remember in that moment, it was the first time I felt peace in such a long time because it was a solution to the problem. Right? I felt like, especially at that age when school is the four corners of your wall, there's nothing else there that Is your life and if it's held to you, that was definitely a moment of relief. So I left school that day and at that time my brother started filling our home up with a lot of spiritual books, a lot of self development books. And two weeks later my brother handed me a spiritual book and it was all about fear. And up until that point, fear was my, my default. I was always anxious, I was always afraid. I was terrified of hurting. My feelings were so like sensitive and getting hurt, I was scared of hurting other people. Like everything was just fear, right? Everything was fear. I was scared of animals, I was scared of my shadow. So to read this book, that fear wasn't real, was, was such a profound thing for my 17 year old brain, you know. So from that moment forward, I became very obsessed with self development and mindset. I started a YouTube channel because I was a makeup artist at the time and just started speaking about all things self development. My spare time, you know, studying it left to right, upside down, like every single day, seminars, books, courses, like, I became infatuated by that for years. And at the age of 20, for those three years of studying self development and just being entrapped in that world and it was really helping me. And that's one thing that I really want to say is with these speakers, they were speaking life into me. You know, when I watched these motivational speeches, it was the first time from feeling so ashamed of who I was and feeling so like embarrassed because if your only like value at that age is to do well in school and I'm failing absolutely everything and I have no friends and I feel just like something's wrong with me. I can't memorize anything. It was beautiful to have life spoken into me, right? And so from that moment, for about three years, I became infatuated and our family went through kind of a challenging, challenging situation where we lost our home. So I moved to Canada and this is when new age really started to put a hand in my life. And from there till only earlier this year, about seven years, I was deeply in new age. So 10 years of self development and seven years in new age, I moved to Canada and I started to. Well, I met somebody and they were in new age. And I remember thinking they were crazy when I met them and they were telling me about ayahuasca and you know, past lives and karma and all these sort of things. And I remember just thinking they were crazy. But the only way I can describe it when I went home that night was I was on the phone with them and and he said something to me, and I felt something fly into my heart. I. I can't explain it. Now, I know it was a spirit, but at the time, I didn't know what just flew into my heart. And like, I want to reiterate, before that, it was very self development. It was very, like, logical, practical, the mind. And within that day, I think within a week, I found my first psychic book. And what happened was, is I went to a bookstore and I saw this book. And it's about psychics, angels, spirit guides, all that jazz. And the only way I can describe it was this book that had the author on her face. It was my face. So it was the first time I had a very supernatural experience where I walk into this bookstore, I'm guided to this book, and it had my face on the COVID It was like reality shifting. Literally. Well, not like. Like spiritually. Like that was my reality that I was seeing. Obviously it wasn't my face printed on the COVID but.
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But that's what you saw.
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That's exactly what I saw. So my face was on the COVID So immediately I'm like, okay, I need to write this book. I need to write this book. And it's crazy that it was very, very close after this New Age person stepped into my life. Right?
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Yeah.
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So I went home. I bought that book, went home, and I read it, like two weeks after. I didn't read it immediately, but the only way I can describe it was I read that book front to back. And it was about angels, it was about spirit guides, it was about connecting to spirit guides. And what I. What happened to me was overnight, my spirit spiritual gifts turned online. Now, I know that that is not exactly how it looks. It's spirits giving you access to things because you're opening a door. But at the time it was overnight, spiritual gifts started. So I started to see and hear angels and spirit guides, and I started to become engrossed in this world. And. And one thing about. I find fascinating about New Age is I'm yet to meet a person that dabbles on one thing and only stays there. And I say that with love. Because the thing with New Age is it may start off really innocent. As we see the story progresses. It starts off super innocent because you're wanting to improve yourself or help yourself or the idea of spirit guides. For anyone listening who doesn't know, it's an understanding that you incarnate into this body with these spiritual guides that are around you, that are here to help you ascend and give you messages and deliverance and walk you on your path, right? Like, kind of like angels. So it's kind of a gateway drug because it starts off so beautiful and innocent and. But as you'll see, it just. It starts to become bigger, and one thing is not enough. You try every single thing from this banquet of New Age stuff. Like, it's like a buffet, and you can't stop stuffing yourself with things. So, anyway, that started to happen. I started connecting to spirit guides and all that sort of stuff, started speaking about it more online, and very quickly moved back to Ireland and became, you know, a million times even more obsessed with this world. So I would be meditating four hours a day with crystals on my forehead, starting to. What I thought at the time was, remember past lives. And I would walk up to people and I would be able to see. See everything about them, essentially, is the only way I can describe it. I would know everything about them, emotionally, spiritually, physically, what was going on in their life if they had a partner. And that started to enhance. And I traveled to many different countries in that time. But very quickly, you know, from reading this book to meditating every day and getting obsessed with healing and diving into all this world, I was like, okay, I'm meant to be a psychic. Like, this is what I'm meant to do. Because I moved to the Canary Islands, and my guides at the time told me to go up and start giving readings to people. So I went up to my spirit guides. Yes. And I remember going, who?
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Sorry to cut you up, but I'm just making this connection because I relate to it so much. For someone who felt so incompetent growing up, like, why can't I be good at school? Why am I so stupid? Whatever the thoughts were, to now have access and to be like, wow, I get to share with this person about their past lives or about what's going on with them. It's this, like, false sense of reclaiming power. Would you. Would you describe it that way?
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Oh, my goodness, totally. And I think that's why New Age is filled with people who. Who want purpose in life and they want their power back because they grew up in painful circumstances, and the enemy takes your trauma and pushes it into their agenda. Like, it's. It's purely an agenda. And that's what it felt like at the time. And it does give you power, a full sense of power, but it's very real. And that's one thing I think a lot of people who maybe don't understand the New Age world is. It makes you very, like, quote unquote powerful. Extremely. As you'll see as it kind of.
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And that's. I mean, that's. Jesus and Satan are both after wounded people. Jesus is after wounded people to heal them. Satan is after wounded people to exploit that woundedness and then give you a fabricated sense of power and autonomy and control, because that's what you've been craving your whole life when you felt so powerless. But what he's going to do, he's going to give it to you in a distorted form and it's going to leave you jumping from thing to thing to ayahuasca, to tarot cards, to psychic readings, whatever it might be. So it's interesting. Sorry to. Sorry to interject there, but I just thought that was. That's something that I deeper, deeply relate to as a kid. Being like, am I stupid? And almost wondering, like, do I do a lot of this social media? Am I. Am I doing chasing all this stuff? Because I'm trying to manufacture this sense of power and worth and autonomy and reclaiming what I felt like that was lost from that little boy. And so I'm always bringing that to the Lord, being like, lord, purify my motives. But anyway, that's. That's fascinating. So, okay, so you go back, you're experiencing this power.
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Yeah. One thing I will say briefly is just what you said there of, you know, the enemy comes to people who have trauma, who don't feel they belong is. It's a. It's so. It's so just wicked because it. It pulls them in. Like, I see it as, like, fishing. Right? Like, you reel out some bait and you're slowly pulling them in. And at the time, it really feels magical. And that's one thing I want to reiterate. Like, it felt magical. I felt power for the first time. I felt purpose for the first time. So I was like, well, of course, this is what God has put me here to do. So essentially, it's. It's a slow. It's a slow thing, but like I said earlier, it is a gateway drug because it starts off little, but it gets bigger and bigger and bigger to the point your whole world and life is that world, which, yeah, I'll share.
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So essentially, people, like, it seems like, like, oh, I'm giving this psychic reading that actually helped that person, or I. I just knew those things and I was able to encourage that person. And, you know, what's crazy? And this might get clipped up and, you know, taken out of context, but I'm sure there was some level of love and fruit that came from it. Like, there was some level of, like, encouraging that person, but all of it was based on a foundation that was fundamentally demonic. And that was shaky sand.
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Totally. And I actually pray to Jesus about this a lot because when I reflect back on all the work I did and all the, the hundreds of readings that I did, the strength that I was relying on was the purity of my heart. Because God wasn't in that, in that call, in that, in that experience. And so when, you know, I think about that, a lot of people debate that. For example, I was a medium as well. And people say, well, you know, it helped people, like, heal from grief. Right? Connecting to their loved ones. Yes, it can, like, heal them in that regard. But you're always in bondage when you enter those rooms, in the sense that when you come into a space with a psychic reading or a medium or a ceremony, anything that's in the occult, there's an agreement that's happening behind the scenes. And if they give you something, you're gonna have to give something back in return. And that's what starts to happen is there's this buildup of demonic agreements that you're gonna have to make to the devil. And I know those words are so strong, but that is what starts to happen the more you open the little doors and it's innocent and it's fluffy and it's, it's masquerading as angels and fairies and all this beautifulness and your purity of your heart is really feeling like this is something, you know, really real. What starts to happen, and I've always seen it is the fruit, if you will, long term for these people always ends in some form of tragedy or they're saved, you know, because it's like, it's not built on true sand. And, and, and I, I, I not, sorry, concrete. Because when I was delivered, everything was taken from me, underneath me, but I was the happiest and the most free I'd been. And I'll explain that. When Jesus showed it to me, it was like every single thing that I had learned in these 10 years was just taken away overnight. And it was the most relieving thing.
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Oh, sorry. So explain to me, when you're getting a psychic reading and you think you're talking to an angel or a past loved one or a fairy or whatever, what is behind that masquerade?
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Well, for many years I thought it was angels and I would see them physically. It was very painful for me to do readings as well. I couldn't eat if I was doing a reading because I had to be in such a flighty state. So if I had readings all day, I wouldn't eat till evening. And my head would be spinning because the amount of energy coming through what I thought was my crown chakra, my third eye, which I don't believe in chakras anymore. But all this energy from the demonic was coming in through my head. And I would see them as these big beacons of light. But when I started to learn the and understand the authority of Jesus later in my path, and I started to ask them to reveal themselves, they were literally all demons. And I'm not just reiterating, I'm not just exaggerating like, oh, there was some good in it. That's why I say I feel I was relying only on the strength of my heart because what was actually working behind it was demonic. And I saw what they truly look like when I asked them to reveal themselves in the name of Jesus. And they were so dark and they were like blood was pouring out of their mouth and their eyes. Every single orifice of them was just bleeding and dark and black. And. And the thing about it is that another thing I think people don't realize is there's a lot of truth in those readings. So the thing with this world is it's like there could be some people say, two truths and a lie. I would go as far as say it's like nine truths and a lie, because they need to hook you in. So they're going to tell you things you know about yourself. Like, I would go on these calls and I would know everything about them. I'd know even if their partners were cheating, what they were doing behind the scenes, like who they were. Like, I knew everything, all this access to this information. And so you would tell them these things that would suit them, that would help them, that would bring them on the right path. And then there would be one thing that would then, you know, like, bring them onto a path that they're not meant to go on. And it was always something to do with the occult. It was like, oh, you're meant to try, like Reiki. You're meant to try, like this thing. Like that was the one little seed. And what Jesus showed me later in my journey was the solution is the problem in New Age. So, you know, you have a problem and you go to Reiki and you got a healing and then something else comes up and you're like, okay, I'll go do a past life regression. So it's like, you're at this buffet of poison, and you're like, okay, this, you know, brought up something. Let me go to this to solve it. So the solution is the problem. And that's what keeps people on a hamster wheel. And that's what kept me on a hamster wheel for 10 years. And it's a real thing. And I've seen this with everyone that I've dabbled in and connected with over the years of traveling the world. It's a rat race. It's a hamster wheel. Because the only way I can describe it is when you're working with a counterfeit of light, because as we know, in the Bible, it says an angel masquerades or a demon masquerade. Angels of light. Right? When you're working with a mockery of light, a mockery of God, a counterfeit of God, what is not actually true? Radical, like Christ, it will never satiate you, and it will never fully fill you. And. And Jesus gave me this visual a while ago of, like, it's like you're at a buffet, and every food that you're eating and stuffing your face with is like a projector. So it's not actually real. It's an illusion. And so you keep stuffing yourself with all these modalities and going to these ayahuasca ceremonies and these yoga classes and these serum, all of these things, things stuffing yourself. Yet underneath, you're still starving, and you may not starve for a little bit. You're like this illusion of being full because you get this temporary peace. But then the next day, there's something else to heal. There's something else to fix. There's another thing to go to another psychic to get or another thing that I need to retrieve of my soul from another dimension. Right? I know these sound like crazy concepts, but when I truly tasted the. The Holy spirit overnight, like, the search was over. And I never, ever thought I would get to that stage in my entire life. I thought I was going to be a soul seeker till the day I died. I thought that I was going to have to continue seeking and searching and reading and consuming and healing day and night. But that was all I needed to denounce everything that I was doing prior of those 10 years because there was actual peace, like there was actual fulfillment. It was actual food. But. But essentially going back to that, you know, with the readings, I started to give a lot of psychic readings, sharing it online, going on podcasts, teaching people how to connect to their spirit guides. It was my world. It was My life, every friendship was entrapped in that as well. And you got big too.
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Yes, you got massive. You were one of the largest, I don't know, New age psychic readers online. Hundreds of thousands of subscribers and followers.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what was crazy is Doreen Virtue was somebody I really looked up to for many years. I don't if you know her, she was the largest New age teacher in the world. She had like 70 published new age books, something crazy like that. And she published tarot cards. And I remember she came to Christ a long time ago. And I was so triggered. I was so angry. I was so upset. I was like, oh, we lost one, you know, And I remember always thinking, like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna do her work for her. Like, I'm gonna take her place. I'm gonna build what she let go of. Right? It's so com. Look. And I. I watch her content and I just. She was so right in everything, you know, but at the time, I couldn't see that. But yeah, I was sharing it online. I started dabbling in so many other things. I became a qualified medium. I was extremely good at it. I was able to connect to any passed on loved one. Now I know it wasn't really their loved ones, but incredible at that. I trained in cacao ceremonialism, I trained in reiki, all the levels. Shamanic Reiki. I trained in shamanism for a year and was a shamanic practitioner. And we were learning divination, exorcisms, house clearings, literally past life regressions. Like it was like literally you would go in and we'd be training through like shamanic journey and going to these other dimensions. I was doing astral projection, like all of these things. And my home reflected that, you know, like I had altars in every corner of my room, my crystals. I had medicine. I was always doing rape. Every morning doing yoga, just tarot cards. I had dozens of tarot decks, dozens of tarot decks. It was just like my whole world, you know? Like I said prior, I read one book on spirit guides and cut to, you know, I'm sitting and doing ayahuasca. I'm doing mushrooms. I'm like worshiping my womb, doing blood magic, witching rituals. Like I was doing everything right. So that's why I kind of say it is a gateway. It's. It's very. I ha. Actually, I can't say I've met anyone who's just tried one thing and is not curious. Like, you do one yoga class and then you're Like, I actually really want to try this sort of thing. And it's this just opening of all these doors. So essentially that was my world. I was traveling the world sharing this. I believed this was the way, the truth and the life. And the main thing that I was so passionate about was bringing a new Earth. You know, bringing what the new age talks about is the new Earth, like the world of peace. And that this world is just ascended. And if we all raise our vibration and we heal and. And we gather, we will ascend into 5D consciousness and the world will just shift into this rainbow land and it'll be beautiful. And I believed that I was a volunteered soul from, like, another star system. I don't know if you've ever heard that sort of stuff. So it's all these ways the enemy kind of pulls us in to give us a sense of meaning for his kingdom. Because again, he goes after people who felt misunderstood, which is most people, you know, who. We've all had challenges. We grow up confused because this world is. Is. Is weird, you know, so it's all these false senses of power, identity, and pride. And. And that's the main one I want to, like, hit on is a lot of this information that you study in shamanism and all these things. It's gonna give you so much pride because you'll go into something and. And this being will come to you and say, you're so special. You're a chosen one. You're. You have this secret, hidden knowledge and. And then they walk out with this. This illuminated sense of power and. And every single modality I've watched, you know, when I did, like, past life regressions, nlp, all these sort of things, it always gave this understanding that you were. You were so special and chosen. But I can so see now it's this isolation they want you to get in so you completely feel you are alone in this planet, so that you actually depart. You know, that's. That's their end. Ultimate goal is to essentially sacrifice you. I know these words are so strong, but this was a very real lived experience for me where they would constantly want me to be alone. They'd constantly want me to cut off people. So it's very loving.
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Demons. Demons, yes.
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My guy, my guides at the time, you know, so at the time, it's like very loving. It starts off like they're giving you this exciting information, and then they tell you little glimpse and. And I. I shared in my testimony that, you know, one of these guides told me to cut off my mother and and one thing that's crazy about my mother is she never allowed me to have tarot cards as a child. She believed in Jesus and God and she was always praying for me, you know, and it's just comical that the one person in my life that was really awake to this because she grew up with people in the occult and they. They all killed themselves. And she saw the reality of that, you know, so there was little things and. And someone, A lot of people commented on my testimony. You know, it's crazy like. Like that you would believe someone to cut something off. Like, that's crazy. That's ridiculous that you would go to that. But I think that's the problem is it seems so normal when you're in it. Like a being or a meditation or your higher self telling you to go do these things. It becomes your reality and it's so normal. So to an outsider it might sound crazy, but it's like very sane when you're in it. The deeper you go. So, yeah.
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B
How do these demons, these spirit guides, these angels talk to you? Like, what does it sound like?
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My voice, you know, just in my mind and then I viscerally see them. So they would just speak to me and tell me things all day, every day. You know, it feels like an intrusive thought or. No, it's very clearly another voice. I can't explain it. It's not like your thoughts, your thoughts always kind of sound like this low level when it's like them speaking, it's like it feels just like a broadcast has come in. Like it grabs my attention. And the thing with these guides is they wanted me to let everyone know about them all the time. So I wanted to share a quick story where I went into a hairdresser. Yeah, I can't explain the full story, but essentially the woman who was doing my hair, my guides told me some very intimate details about her. Like, very intimate that like no one should know and, and said like, you know, you need to let her know about us because she's about to embark in this beautiful, like glittery journey and like we're gonna help her. And like, I really believe that, like this is gonna change the planet, you know, like this is what's gonna help people. So I remember telling her about them and I said, they told me this and her mouth was on the floor. She was like, how did you know this sort of stuff? You know, like. And I remember seeing on her Instagram story later that day that, you know, she bought her first angel book. And. And I don't know what path she went down, you know, because the thing with this is it's like a demonic network. It's a. It's a kingdom underground where these spirits will tell you things about someone that nobody would know because they're monitoring you. I think you know about that. And that is how you get this sense of evidence that this is real, that this is truth. So there was so many Just outlets of going to so many places. And I remember doing my first ayahuasca ceremony. And this is when I remember the first thing she showed me was the Bible. And she said, stay away from the Bible, because obviously scripture is power. And I didn't know that time because I never even understood the measure of it and the word of it. I didn't even know what Jesus fully meant. I thought it was just a religion where people. I thought Jesus was a yogi and an ascended master and a tantric teacher, and he was polyamorous. Like, I believed all these sort of things, you know? So for me, I didn't understand why everyone was glorifying Jesus because I thought he was just another dude, like, just another. Like Buddha, Ganesh, like Kuan Yin, like any of those ascended masters that you could connect to, because I was connecting to all of them. You know, I was channeling all of them. But in this ayahuasca ceremony, I remember specifically, she said to me, like, God is. Is not, like, heavenly, like, I am your God. And that was the first thing she said to me. When I started, like, going on this plant medicine. She was like, I am your God. And she showed me a symbolism of this snake symbol. And she told me I needed to get it tattooed on my body to integrate the codes so people in New Age will know, like, integrating the codes is, like, a thing where you get these codes and these healings from all these little things. So I remember two days after the ceremony, like, going and getting this snake tattoo, like, to literally mark myself. And I see that now as, like, our body is an altar, and it should just be an altar and a temple for the Holy Spirit. But I was giving full access and ownership over my entire life and body to these beings, to these forces that, again, thought were light. So I started getting all these different tattoos of all these meanings attached to them, and they would come to me in my tattoos. And when I be getting them, even I. I had a heart here, and I had Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene come to me, like a false, false ones. And they said, we want to come into the tattoo, and we're Going to help bring you these codes, right? We're going to help you open your heart. So if I was like, of course, like, at the time, I just was so naive. I thought everything was light. Like, truly everything was light. And so they poured into my heart tattoo, and I got this high, like, euphoric high, because the thing with a lot of these modalities is they give you insane highs. Kind of like a drug hit. They're so intense. So I was walking around beaming in light for, like, a day, but then again, you kind of the next day back to your default. And, yeah, essentially it just spent years in this and constantly feeling I had a moment of, like, peace and truth in this hit, and then again, then I would just fall again into, like, these crying sprees. And. And it got so bad where I started to get demonically attacked. And. And for me, I did not understand where this was coming from, Ryan, because my lifestyle, I thought at the time was so clean, you know, Like, I'm meditating every day. I'm doing energy healing. I'm doing yoga. I'm drinking cacao to open my heart. I'm, like, feeling my wounds and. And feeling my emotions and, like, expressing myself through dance. Like, I'm doing all the modalities every day. I'm doing the workshops, the healings, the courses. I'm going to these places and going to these ceremonies and these circles and sitting with medicine and rape and cambo and ayahuasca and mushrooms. Just all these things, right? And so over the years, I started to have these spirits and these demons come to me, and I would even wake up with some scars on my body, like, scrapes on my body. And, you know, when you tell a friend who's in this world, who's in it, too, they're like, oh, you're just. You know, that's just you scraping yourself. Like, it's this constant. Like I said, the solution is the problem. When you go into this world, you immediately magnify all these friends who are in this world, too, and we all just kind of validated each other in the journey and what was going on. You know, if things were going crazy. Oh, it's mercury in retrograde. Oh, it's this astrology. You know, it was just always something, right?
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And so I remember I'd wake up with scrapes, and I would constantly just have these. These demonic thoughts telling me, like, you need to go home. You need to ascend. Like, you need to go back to your. Your star system. And I even remember my guides Telling me to watch this youtuber and she made a channel devoted to ascension, which if people don't know, it's like this understanding that our soul is meant to ascend to a vibration so that we can leave, AKA die. And now I know it's like a sacrifice, but. But she actually did ascend. She killed herself at the end of it, you know, and, and she said, this is my last day on Earth. I'm ready to go. These being, like, my guides are ready to collect me, you know, and she died. And I know many people on this path who have died and killed themselves from new Age. Like, this isn't, you know, something that is the thing that, and the reason I want to speak about this is because it's packaged so beautifully and pretty, pretty. But it is, it's extremely dangerous. I'm not even going to like, sugarcoat it and say, like, oh, it's okay, you know, it brought me and ultimately led me to Christ. But it's an extremely dangerous path that I've seen, has taken a lot from people and tormented them. But essentially there was earlier this year where the demonic attacks got so, so bad. I was in Bali. I was waking up every day feeling these, these chains on me is the only way I can describe it now. I know it was bondage, but I didn't know what it was at this point because I had opened so many doors and I was having these, these beings tell me to kill myself. From the minute I woke up to the minute I went to sleep, I couldn't really see clearly. I felt drunk. I couldn't leave my room. I was crying, like, profusely. And, you know, at the time, my guides would tell me and, and would that, oh, well, you know, this is because you're such a light and you're, you're doing so much for the world that these forces, you know, want to like, take you down, but it's important. So you're relying on your own strength in all of this. You know, you're relying on your own power and your own will, willpower. It's just complete self worship because you think you're God. Like, I think I am the Creator, I'm God, and I can do this myself. And so there was a specific month where I was being attacked every single day from the moment, yeah, I woke up to the minute I went to sleep. And one thing I want to reiterate is like, I had seen a lot of people turn to Jesus over the years and it boiled my blood.
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Like, I can't explain it. The Jesus trigger is very real because, you know, it literally starts to manifest the spirits in you when you say that word. Yeah, but it was constantly something that was popping in, in my periphery, and I did not want that to be the truth. And it's kind of comical when I find, and it's very similar thread with all these stories that it's the last place they looked. It's always the last place. Like, I traveled the entire globe, I tried every single modality. I got qualified in everything you could think of. I studied, I trained, I lived, I breathed this stuff. And I would not be open to the Bible in a million years. Like, that was like the last place. I thought it was patriarchal. I thought it was programmed, it was here to, like, suppress women, you know, because I was very into goddess worship, divine feminine embodiment, wild woman archetypes. So for me, it was just like, that's the last place on earth I'm gonna look. So for me to call out for Jesus was a very humbling moment for me at the time. So it hit, you know, a month of this, and I was driving home one day. It was like I decided to leave the house and try and get out. And I was crying at the beach. And I just remember my friend had sent me a New Age to Jesus video a week prior. And I'd watched many of them over the years. I'd get triggered, shut them down and then, like, go back and watch them because there was something in me starving. And. And one thing, Ryan, that's really fascinating is every time I heard the word Christ over the years and watch Christ videos, my mouth would water. Like, my actual body was, like, thirsty for it. Like, every time I would hear someone talk about Jesus, I got so thirsty, my mouth was like, give it to me. You know, like. But I didn't know that's what I wanted. I remember always thinking that was really weird. So I constantly watch the videos and Then I'd be like, no, you know, no, I don't want that to be true. So essentially, I'm driving home and the words Jesus saved me come out of my mouth. And immediately I hear him so strongly say, get rid of your crystals. And I had thousands of euros worth of crystal. I mean, I had every spiritual modality, like, every spiritual thing in my room. And I remember immediately I said. I was like, no, I was like, we're not doing this. Like, I regret even asking you, because I don't want this to be the truth. I was so against it again. And essentially Jesus just said, well, look at where you are. You're literally crying while driving right now. Like, you have these demons tormenting you 24 7. You feel bondage, you feel chained, you feel, like, all these sort of things. I want to help you. So I was like, okay. I put my, like, stubbornness to the side, and I went home and I got rid of my crystals. And immediately I just looked at my art, and it was all these, like, grit, sacred geometrical shape grids, right? And I just started getting rid of everything. I started throwing it out to the point my room was, like, bare. Like, it looked like a prison cell. It was just empty. And this is the next moment that will forever be, like, the best moment in my entire life. Jesus walks into my room, and he's, like, so holy and so pure and so illuminated in gold. Like, I could see him physically walk towards me. And he just says, lay in your bed. I'm gonna put the Holy Spirit in you. And what's so crazy is I had heard that word a couple months prior, Holy Spirit. For whatever reason, being raised a Christian, I didn't hear that again. Like I said previously, my ears were kind of blocked. I didn't know what that was. So everything now moving forward, I experienced in the supernatural before I actually opened the Bible and realized that it was the same. Like, that it was. You know, I had to experience in that way to fully receive him. So he walked over and he put the Holy Spirit in my body. And I saw hundreds of demons fly out of my body. Like, hundreds and hundreds of these spirits crawling out of my body. They were screaming. Like, the only way I can describe it, like, you know, in Harry Potter when she pulls the plant and, like, those screaming things, it was a squealing like nothing or more. It was so tormented. It was evil. It was dark, and they flooded out of me. And Jesus was just looking at me, smiling. And he said. He said one thing to me, one thing only he said, you were on a New Age hamster wheel and everyone watching you was on one too. And that's all he said to me. And he left. And I was just beaming in the Holy Spirit. So I ran down to my roommate at the time, who was like, deeply a new Age as well. And I just said to her, I was like, the Holy Spirit. Like, Jesus just came to me. And as I said the words Holy Spirit, she had these speakers in her bedroom, like our kitchen. And her bedroom were like 6 meters away from each other. Her phone was in the other room. Like, she doesn't have Siri. Her phone's always on a. Do not disturb. The minute I said, holy Spirit, her speakers started blaring this song called God of Creation at a hundred volume. And our whole home, just the Holy Spirit just hit us. And it hit her too. And she started going through her own deliverance. Demons started. It was crazy. They started flying out of her. But in that moment, I just felt the Holy Spirit and I, I. In that moment, I just went. I don't know what is happening, but this is the most truth I've ever felt in my life. And I immediately went to the beach. And this is where it gets so crazy. And I. You can't even make it up because I have video footage of it. But this girl comes up to me and she says that the Holy Spirit told me to talk to you. Bear in mind, there's hundreds, if not thousands on this beach. It's the busiest beach in Bali. And she walks up to me and she was recording it too. She said, the Holy Spirit guided me to talk to you. And she just asked me, do I believe in God? All of these sort of things. Bear in mind, Jesus only came to me that morning. And she just talks to me for a bit. She tells me that she was a New Age teacher, a Kundalini teacher, all these things. And she got radically saved by Jesus. So immediately I just was so moved by that. And again, I still didn't think much of it, of it, because at the time I really believed, like, oh, great, Jesus, like, cleared me. I can still do what I'm doing. Like, I didn't think that I could dabble in both worlds, right? Or I thought I could dabble in both worlds. And so I walk away and she sits behind me. Bear in mind, this beach is so long. So this is about 20 minutes later. I somehow sit directly behind her and I didn't even know she was there. And she comes up to me again and she says, the Holy Spirit Said for me to pray. Pray for you, basically. And so I had never been prayed over, you know, before in that world. You know, I've been prayed over in many other ways, but it was. It was praying to all these other things. And she just prayed for me, for the Holy Spirit to reveal itself to me and for Jesus to protect me in the blood of Jesus and all of these sort of things. And I took her number and I met up with her a couple days later, and she told me her entire story. And as she was speaking these words to me, I felt chains break because I was being sobered up very quickly of the world that I was in. And one thing I want to reiterate. If people, a lot of people who are on a very close path to finding Jesus, the warfare gets more intense. So after Jesus came from, came to me, and these demons came out, it actually got more intense before it got better because these spirits did not want me realizing the truth of who they were, of the force that I was working with and working for and building a complete kingdom for. For 10 years. So immediately she just told me a tool which was, you can repent and rebuke anything in the name of Jesus. And I, after that was delivered to me, I went home. And that's when God brought me through seven days of deliverance. It was specifically seven days because he now knew I had the tool to repent anything out of my body because I didn't know what these things were before. And so from the moment I woke up to the minute I went to sleep, Jesus showed me, I would say, on average, 70 to 90 things every day of agreements I made with the devil, agreements I had made with demons, doorways I had made, contracts I had made. And that was essentially the reasoning for so much suffering and so much seeking and so much chasing trying to find this peach because I was so spiritually hungry. And so every single day, multiple times a day, like 70, I had to repent them in the name of Jesus. And I would see these demons, I would see them fly out of my body. And every single day. So from the ceremonies I went to, to the little innocent healing ceremonies, I went to the reiki energy healings, I went to plant medicine, even my tattoos, like, all these spirits were flying out of me every day. And this is when these forces no longer hid themselves for me. So these beings turned into these literal monsters. And they said, if you don't come back, we're going to kill you. You're making, like, the worst mistake of your life. I even Remember, a bird, like, flew up to my wall and it fell and it died. And I went out to look at it, and I just saw Satan literally appear and said, you're next. Like, I'm gonna kill you next if you don't come back. So at first, you know, they're masquerading and for years showing themselves as angels and these innocent beings, these beautiful, benevolent beings. And then the moment I started to realize the authority in Jesus, that's when they were trying to scare me. And if anything, it actually just solidified my fate. I wasn't afraid. If anything, I was like, oh, this is so real. Because the enemy is so smart. And he's also pretty dumb because he.
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He.
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When he starts to realize that he doesn't have a hold on you anymore. It's. It's. It's a very beautiful feeling, though, to realize that. So it didn't scare me. So Jesus told me to get lost.
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You knew he lost?
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Oh, totally, totally. And. And I got baptized and. And the. The pastor was praying over me. And I remember Jesus just showed me this visual. He brought me back to, you know, a moment I was in ayahuasca ceremony. And it was one of the most traumatic events of my life. Like, still to this day, if I, like, smell Palo Santo, I. My body goes into fight or flight. Because that night, you know, I really felt the most alone I'd ever felt in my life. And all the people would say, well, you know, ayahuasca brings you to your worst fears. It's all healing. It's all, like, masked in these. I call them sugar words or cookie words. Like, it's all glamorous and pretty in the words, but the substance is like pain. It's like. There's not much fruit actually in it. It's not alive. So essentially, he brought me back to that moment where I was so afraid and alone and I couldn't see and I was vomiting. And I remember, like, thinking in that moment, like, I am alone on this journey. Like, there is nothing here except myself. Because in New Age, we believe God is like a force, like a frequency that we can, like, you know, torment and abuse to, like, manifest our desires. Like, we believe it's like. It's just an energy, and it's, like, infinite. Therefore, it feels kind of like nothing. Because you think it's everything, right? So for me, everything was God. So God brought me back to that moment and showed me. At that time, I thought I was the closest to God. And he was showing me. I was like, the furthest away I could have ever been. And in that moment when that priest was praying over me and just saying, like, Jesus, look after my daughter in heaven and all these sort of things, I was just weeping, crying, like weeping crying because I had a taste of what God actually felt like. And I, I realized every single moment prior those 10 years, I thought I knew what light was like. Yes, I had loving moments, yes, I had beautiful divine moments, of course, but I had no idea the beauty and the actual taste of the Holy Spirit and God until that moment. And so it's been a beautiful journey since then of just, yeah, reading the Bible and really purifying my room and my home and just walking with Jesus. And it's been the most miraculous journey of my life. Like, truly, he heals. And, and one thing I want to say when he started to deliver me was I, like I said, I lived, led a very clean lifestyle in that I didn't drink alcohol, I ate very healthy, worked out, you know, very sober minded or what I thought. I didn't date around, I was celibate, like all these sort of things. And the only way I can describe it when Jesus delivered me was the veil was lifted from my eye. I was the most sober I'd ever felt in my entire life. And I realized after that I had been drunk for years. Like drunk and bondaged by these chains I had no idea on. I thought I was free. But it's kind of like the, you know, the elephant, like when you chain them at a young age and they think they can't break it. I felt that like it was an illusion of freedom. But I wasn't free, I was chained. And I literally felt Jesus like improve my eyesight. Like, I can't explain it, but after that deliverance of seven days, my eyesight improved, my perception of life healed. And what Jesus came to me and showed me, he like pulled up this whiteboard because again, I can see. And he just showed me everything I'd been connecting to and the original force. So obviously everything in New Age is a counterfeit of God. And so I used to think, well, manifesting in prayer are the same thing. Speaking in tongues and light language are the same thing. It's all the same source. And that's what the enemy wants you to think, but it's not, it's, it's, you're channeling a different force. It's, it's demonic. And so he was showing me, you know, like the Reiki, you know, an energy healing is laying hands with the Holy Spirit and You know, light language was actually the tongues of fire and that the enemy just basically replicates every single thing that God created and perverts it. Right? So he just showed me that I was creating this, like, demonic kingdom, like I was creating an empire for these beings, thinking I was doing God's work. And it was the most humbling and beautiful time. Like you said prior, you know, when you get this full sense of power and these beings make you feel this power. It was the most like, Jesus is so humbling. And I was starving for that feeling. I was starving for that humility and that grace. And for him to be like, everyone is a child of God, like, nobody is better than others because again, that pride, it makes you think you're like the master of this universe and like, no one is like you. So it was such a sobering. But to this day, like, I have been delivered from everything that was tormenting me for years. The depression, the anxiety, the peace that I feel is otherworldly. And it is all down to Jesus and Jesus Christ, only it. And that's saying from somebody who did every modality under the sun, like, it was my world and it was my life. And yeah, one thing I forgot to mention as well is when he told me the authority of his name, I asked my spirit guides to reveal themselves. I'd never done that before. They were like a beautiful couple. One of them was like a Kundalini teacher in the spirit realm. She always had fire in her womb, and she was always teaching me, like, these divine feminine priestess codes. And I asked them to reveal themselves in the name of Jesus. And they literally, like, as quick as day, turned into demons. And even my guardian angel, I had an angel that I called Angelina. She was always with me. Every single day turned into a demon, like, demonic being. And from that moment forward, it was just a sobering of everything that I've been connecting to. But at the end of the day, I think the. The beauty of is it did lead me to Christ. Yeah. So. So for that I am. I am incredibly thankful. Yeah.
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Geez, man, how beautiful. Like, that's just. It's. It's. There's so much to unpack there. I almost want to do like another episode on the back of this. Keep this one to be to your story, if you're okay with that, because there's so much to unpack. I have so many questions, like, you just dropped a ton of nuggets there that everything's a counterfeit in. In the spirit, in the kingdom of darkness. Because the devil is not a creator. He's crafty, so he's going to twist. So you were dropping like tongues is light language. What were some of the other ones you mentioned?
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Yeah, like prayer is the same as manifestation. Like you think you're wiser than the, that understanding of, oh, it's all just the same and it's all equal. And that's, and that's what the demonic wants is for you to just believe that. But it's, it's why people are starving and they're constantly seeking. Like I said Prior, it's very rare to find someone who just sticks with one thing. Because you're spiritually starved. Because it's a false, it's a false light. It will never satiate true light of God. So you're stuffing yourself with all the things because it's a counterfeit, it's a mockery and you're questioning why it's still not giving you peace. Because it's not the original thing. It's just, it's just a counterfeit. It's a copy. And that's what, you know, the enemy has done with pretty much everything, even the story of Jesus, you know, like teaching us that it was just a model of our human potential. And that's. Sorry, that's one thing I wanted to mention when Jesus told me, you know, again in the supernatural, because he'll meet you where you are. And that's one thing that I think is so beautiful for me. If it wasn't in the supernatural, I wasn't going to believe it. And he showed me the meaning of the cross and he showed me that his blood and, and Jesus, when he died, he showed me this visual that, you know, he descended into hell. He descended into the pits of hell and purified it through him, that through him we have full dominion over the kingdom of darkness in our spiritual authority that we can cast out any darkness in his name. Right. And so what he was showing me was that Satan had been masquerading that by telling people basically on a, on a very simple level, we are Jesus because people who go into new age, we think we're light workers. We think we're here to help the planet to ascend the collective aka we think we're meant to do what Jesus was here to do. So we're thinking we're the chosen gods. And what Jesus showed me was that newer authority exists, exists through him because if you have his authority, darkness cannot exist. Yeah, you can cast it all out through him. So what he showed me was me thinking, you Know, we were here to create a new planet and a new earth. Jesus already won the battle. He already won the war. And so when we're trying to heal the planet, trying to heal ourselves, fight all these things, that's what the enemy wants because it's just keeping you in this battle, this rat race. But the war actually was won and it's through Jesus.
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Amen.
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And when I learned the way to that, it was profound. Like he already brought it, he already brought the kingdom of heaven through him. And that was just profound. So everything is, is a mockery. It's a, it's a counterfeit of, of what God created, which was holy and it was divine and it was pure. And it's very ordered, you know, and made it into an agenda for his, his kingdom, essentially.
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And I think what's so dark about what you just said is that Satan will come to you as an angel of light. He'll come to you and give you, like you said, the nine truths in a lie. He's going to tell you things, he's going to give you things. He's going to give you the apple that looks good, tastes good. This will make you like God. Like that's been the lie from the beginning. And he's going to tell you, oh, I, you know, I know this information about your ancestors, or I know what's going on with your boyfriend or whatever it might be. He's going to give you something that is valuable for you. He's going to give you that power, he's going to give you that autonomy, he's going to give you that self confidence. And then he's going to throw a wrinkle. Then he's going to throw one lie. This will make you like God, right? Like God just knows that, you know, he's jealous. He doesn't want other people to have the power that he has. That's what Satan did in the garden.
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He.
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And what's so crazy to me is you went through the whole progression. You, you saw these angels of light, these demons, you saw these spirit guides. You had the guardian angel. You experienced everything that new age had to offer. And you were vomiting, you were anxious, you were crying your eyes out, and you were still coming back for more because of that initial lie. Because he actually showed you something that maybe at the present time was valuable. It's everything that the demonic is. It's, hey, go get an abortion because this will make your life easier. But guess what happens? You just created death. You don't think that's gonna have Consequences. Take this drug. It's gonna make you feel good. It's gonna make you forget all of the pain in your life. Well, yeah, doing drugs, I haven't done a ton of drugs, but makes you feel great. You know, like, drinking makes you feel great. That's. That's what I think a lot of people don't want to admit, is that sin is fun. Sin is, like, in the moment, great. Like, this is. This feels really, really good, but leads to your destruction. And I think that you are a living example of that, of how you can. You can have everything that the world has to offer. You knew what was going on in people's lives.
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You.
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You had a thriving business as a medium where people were coming to you for your wisdom. People were probably showering you with praise, and you felt like you had the insights to the world, right? And there you were on your couch or on your floor, bawling your eyes out, feeling anxious, unable to eat, vomiting, and. And then here comes the lie. Well, you're special again, Pride. So you have to deal with all of this because you're a light worker, whatever he called you. Like, you have to deal with all of this so other people can ascend. And then the end result of that is, no, no, the ascension is actually like suicide. You're going to kill yourself. And it's just crazy to me how you can get. How it's so demonic, how you can get from, oh, you have a gift. Here's a book with your face on it. And then you're going to do a reading for someone that's going to help them all the way to. No, you're going to fully ascend, AKA like, end your life. Like, that's. Yeah, that progression that you just walked us through. I'm sure there were so many learning lessons in that. And then to come to the end of that and to be like, well, Jesus was the one true God from the beginning, and he was there all the time. But he was the last thing that I had to. That I tried. What would you tell someone who is deep in the new age right now that you learned from that season and now that you know from meeting Jesus?
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Well, I think that a lot of it is actually very unnecessary. A lot of the pain, the processes, what you're investing in, what you're doing, like, in the moment, it might feel like an experience, but actually isn't necessary. And I say that as I've spent hundreds, if not thousands of hours healing and praying or praying to what I thought was God, you know, Meditating, all these sort of things. It wasn't necessary. And it's so much work. And it's. So when I think back to that version of me, it's actually, I saw this quote or this girl saying in a podcast, and it hit me was, it's so exhausting trying to pretend to be God. Like, not having an actual savior, actually having an external, you know, Lord that can help assist you is beyond exhausting. And I know because I was seeking endlessly. It was exhausting trying to hold yourself up, rely on your own strength, and it ultimately leads to burnout. Like, I was constantly getting sick, constantly. And I would always blame it on just ascension symptoms or whatnot. But I say to people, like, it's not that walking with Jesus is easier, but it will bring you actual peace. And one thing I can say I have. I'm yet to meet someone in, uh, that has profound peace from it. You know, you can have highs. You can feel joy, you can feel love. But I think that the thing that Holy Spirit, you can't mock is peace, because it's sound of mind. And when Jesus delivered me, there was sound of mind, there was peace. For the first time, I could see clearly. I started to see humans and fall in love with them. Whereas before, it was like, oh, they don't understand my world. You know, I'm just so unique. And I think that's the beauty is Jesus just changes your heart. When I am. When Jesus came to me as well and put the Holy Spirit in me, I felt a new heart being born. Like, I remember coming down to my friend because she also got delivered and we both got baptized and say that. My roommate, I started to feel another heart growing in my heart, and it was Jesus's heart. He loves us so unconditionally. And for somebody seeking and. And trying to find that love, because that's what we're searching for, you know, we're spiritually hungry. We want to come back to that. Jesus does actually deliver, and there's no consequence. Every other thing, there was a consequence. Like I said earlier, you don't realize in the moment there's a chain happening. There is an agreement happening. There's a bondage that will happen. Yeah, Jesus doesn't. He literally doesn't have a chain reaction or, like a backlash that happens. That New Age happens. You go this high and then it heals, and then you're on to the next thing. And I even laugh, like, because I don't believe in past lives anymore. I used to. And I actually think it's one of the most genius, genius things that the enemy has created because it never ends, right? Oh, it's just another past life. This is why you're anxious, or this is why you're, you know, suffering. Because these bondages aren't God. So they are going to torment people, you know, so there needs to be an excuse. There needs to be a story. Oh, it's this past life. And I rem remember meeting these people and they would always say, like, they had past lives with Jesus or past lives as these queens, these kings. I was like, how many queens and kings were on this planet? Like, I do not believe that, you know, all of these people were having these lifetimes. And so it's just always something. And there's always an answer for your suffering. There was always an answer for your pain. There was always an answer for something. But with Jesus and understanding the authority of Jesus's name and casting anything out that is not truly of the light, it will free you and it will give you a lot more time to spend on things you actually want to be doing in this world.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Versus leaving this world to go somewhere else. Because eventually that I've seen it with many people, they want to go home. They want to go back to this realm that they. They think they're from. You know, I. I know a person, and he. He killed himself. And the last thing he was speaking about was how to connect to your spirit guides before he killed himself. You know, it's. It's very twisted and it's very dark. And there is another way that's a lot lighter. You know, these. These beings, they really will pretend to be anything. And it's everywhere. You know, in Disney, it's very encouraged to be in fantasy land. You know, I was very living in fantasy for many years. And then the thing I love about Christianity is they believe they're spirits, right? They believe fantasy is a spirit and it's something you can cast out. And as someone who lived in fantasy land, as an escapism, my whole life within a sentence, you know, I rebuke it in the name of Jesus. It's healed.
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B
Yeah.
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I'm like, this is so simple. But Satan wants you to math, like, completely. Just sit with it and heal with it. I tried to heal lust. You know, I had lust in me, or what I now know was Jezebel. But for years, I tried to heal it, because every time it would come up, it would crush my spirit. Like, I felt so depleted by it. And it got to a point it was about Nine years of trying to heal this. I was like, maybe it's just, like, part of me. And then I'd go to my astrology and be like, okay, well, my astrology says, this is the way I'm supposed to be. So you validate it. And then you're like, you know what? It's just part of the human experience. And then, you know, rebuking it and seeing it actually leave. Like seeing Jezebel leave my body and it healed in an instant versus 10 years of sitting on my floor trying to heal it, trying to, like, connect with it. Where's this wound coming from? Where do I need love? Like, it drives you demented, right? And. And the thing with Jesus is it's so simple. Yeah, it's so simple. He's so simple.
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B
And the beautiful thing about the gospel, too, that blows my mind. Theologians call this double imputation. There's this scripture where it says, he who knew no sin became sin for us. That's crazy. Like, he became our sin on the cross and then died. But then the double imputation, the next part of that is that so that we might become the righteousness of God. So when God looks at you, he sees Jesus. He sees the perfection of God. I think a lot of Christians don't realize that. That we are walking authority. Like, we have the authority. That's why, you know, talking to Rion, the former head of the Church of Satan, he said the first thing that Satan wants to do, the first way he will attack is fear. Because fear then can strip you of your authority. And then we'll come in a demonic attack, a demonic dream, whatever it might be, right? Sickness, however, he's going to attack. But first it's fear that strips you of your authority. Because Christians have forgotten that we have become the righteousness of God. Jesus didn't just become our sin, we became his righteousness. So now with the name of Jesus, because if he's a king and we're his children, what does that make us? We're royalty. And so we carry the seal of the Holy Spirit. Think about what is a seal. It's what it is, literally the king's emblem that stamps a letter. It's the royal emblem. So we have been sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. So the same spirit that rose Jesus from the dead now lives in us. So we get to tell the demons to flee. And they. They flee. The Bible says the angels long to understand the mysteries that have been revealed to the children of God. What's the mystery? The mystery is he who became who knew no sin became sin so that we might become the righteousness of God. So the angels long for that insight. They actually don't know that they actually, like in a. In a human. Because Jesus was a God man. That means that we carry God in us. We are not God, but we carry his spirit in us. And we are flesh, which means we have this unique understanding of how salvation works and how that double amputation works. And so we get to walk around now and realize that the devil, like, he already lost. The first prophecy in the entire Bible was in the book of Genesis. People don't realize this. It says, he will nip at your heel and you will strike his head. You will crush his head. What does that mean? That means that serpent, he's going to nip at you. He's going to try to attack you. And yeah, he might land a couple blows, but you have the authority, because we've already had one. We already had the great heel stomper, Yeshua of Nazareth, that came to this earth, became sin for us so that we might become the righteousness of God. And how did that happen? Because he stomped the serpent's head on the cross. And how did he do it? In the most unlikely way, by suffering and dying on the cross. So, like what you said, you're like, hey, I've been trying to find this ascension, this power, this manifestation of everything that is the divine feminine or whatever, whatever lie it was for that year, for that week or for that month. Jesus is actually saying that, no, no, no, no. If you want to become great in the kingdom of God, you lower yourself, you humble yourself, you become like me who did what died on a cross. It says in second. Sorry, I'm preaching now. Philippians, chapter two, it says that we. I'm sorry, I'm confusing with Hebrews. It says that your attitude should be like that of Christ Jesus, who was in the very form of God, yet didn't consider equality with God a thing to be grasped. But he made himself nothing, taking the very form of a servant. And so our call now in the kingdom of God, it's so backwards and it goes so against our human nature. And this is where the demonic is just parodying this. It's just flipping this, that our call, the way we actually receive power in the world and the kingdom of God is through love. And what is love? Perfect love casts out fear. But the best definition of love is that John 15:3, I believe it says, greater love has known than no one than this. Than you lay down your life for Your friends and Jesus did that. So perfect love is found in Jesus. And that's lowering, laying your. Your life down, humbling yourself to the point of even dying on a cross. That's why the definition of Christianity is to pick up your cross. What did they do on crosses? They killed people. So in the same way that Satan is trying to get you to literally kill yourself, Jesus is trying to get you to spiritually kill yourself. And then the backside of that, the paradox of that is he who loses his life will find it. And so what I'm seeing right now with you, Ella, is a lost life, where you've now found your life. You actually put it all on the altar. You actually surrendered everything to Jesus. And the dividend of that is complete transformation from that death, from joining Jesus in his death, you find your life in his resurrection. And that double imputation is that your sin died with him on the cross and that in his resurrection, you receive the righteousness of God. That's why baptism is such a beautiful picture, because you get buried with him in his death and you get raised with him in his resurrection. I've literally seen people who were in the New age, people who were dabbling in some dark stuff, they find Jesus and they get baptized. And same thing that happened to you, crazy demonic attack after that. I mean, to the point where I'm like, this is torture for weeks on end until they get deliverance and the demons telling them to kill themselves, that they did a bad thing. So there is something so powerful in really taking part in Jesus. And how do we do that? Through the sacraments, we, you know, through the Eucharist. This is my body broken for you. This is my blood shed for you. We take part in that body, and then through baptism, we're buried with him in his death and we're raised with him in his resurrection. That's why it hurts my heart to see so many Christians be so flippant about these sacraments, because it is. It is a practice, a spiritual practice that is coming back in celebration and union with. With that double imputation, death with him in his. In his death, and then raised with him in his resurrection, becoming Jesus, becoming sin, and then dying with that sin so that we might become his righteousness. And so that's just. It's so beautiful, Ella. I'm just so. I'm so encouraged. You just carry such the peace of Christ. There's just. There's just this, like, glow on you. There's this peace. There's this spirit on you. And you also have Hundreds of thousands of subscribers and followers. So who followed you because of your New Age teachings? What are you going to do now?
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A
I mean, I, I was saying to Jesus, I was like, I have a purpose for the rest of my life, and it's to protect people from that world that I was in. Like, I will speak about that till the day I die, you know, if that's what I'm meant to do. Because it's just getting bigger, unfortunately, it's getting more and more mainstream and it's so deceptive. And if I can anyway be a voice for that, to protect people and say there is another way through. And it's so peaceful. This is the way. So I feel like I'm going into warfare in some degree because my whole audience is. Is the counterfeit or that not the counterfeit up against what I will be speaking about? But if you have Jesus on your side, you're not afraid.
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B
Dude, it's like, it's. I mean, you have the Trojan horse. Like, you've got hundreds of thousands of people that are following this stuff, and now you get to proclaim the gospel. And I was, I was scrolling through some of the comments on your. Your testimony video, and it's just fascinating. It's like all across the board. But you. There's one thing you can't deny is people are being rattled by it. It's. It's like, it's. It's just. It's so cool to see what the Lord is doing. And I'm so glad you didn't, like, delete your accounts because you have. You have an audience. You have a captive audience that you now get to go into enemy territory and proclaim the gospel to them and to tell them that everything you were teaching them was a lie. But now you found the truth. You've found the hidden treasure in the field, you found the true gold, and you've thrown out the fool's gold.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. I. It's funny because it's like we go and search our whole lives and travel entire world, and I end up back in my hometown in the same church. I got baptized as a child. You know, I. It was right at my doorstep. It's. It's. It's a beautiful. It's. It's very beautiful. Thank you.
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B
Yeah. Well, I, I know this is. This podcast is getting long at this moment, but I. If you're willing, I want to do another podcast where. I'd love to go into the Reiki. I'd love to get into the spirit, something where you like The. The counterfeit of tongues. What was that called again?
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A
Light Language.
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B
Light Language, yeah.
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A
All of it.
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And expose all of them. And then let's talk about the flip side of it. Let's talk about the kingdom, how God has originally designed it, how it's. It's good, true and beautiful in its proper order and its proper design. So, yeah, thank you for being on the podcast. How can people be praying for you and then where can people be finding you?
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A
You can just find me on YouTube at Ella Ringrose. And. And the only thing I pray is for the message to reach more people. You know, I just want to be a voice for that because I did this for an entire decade, you know, and I. If I can help someone avoid them as suffering this dark path, that is all I want to do. So.
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B
Yeah, well, it's beautiful. And you're clearly incredibly gifted at speaking and incredibly eloquent, and it's just so cool to see. Like, that probably came because of a God gift that he gave you, but also because you've been doing this for so long. You've been doing the podcasting, you've been doing the content, and so you've developed this skill. It's almost like the Lord was behind the scenes, low key, like sharpening your. Your skills, which is. Which is really cool to see. So let me pray for you now and then. Would you. Would you do me a favor? Could you pray for anybody that's maybe listening to this? Yeah, like, yeah, I've been kind of dabbling and I'm confused and something stirred up for them in this. I'll start with the prayer and then maybe you could close us. But again, such an honor, Ella. This was. This was really fascinating. So, Jesus, I just. Thank you so much for Ella, Lord. I just pray that you would. You would blow her platform up. Lord, I pray that she would spend so much time in the secret place that the foundation of her faith and her soul and her connection to you, Holy Spirit, would be so solid that you would be able to. To. To really just blast off like that, this thing, that. This message, that her voice in this world would never exceed the.
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A
The.
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B
The fruit, the. The views, would never exceed the depth of the roots of just spending time with you, Jesus. So give her that in the secret place, that gift. And then, Lord, I just pray for more than we can ask or imagine. I pray that you would allow this voice, this story, her gifting, your spirit in her to reverberate through the new age community. I pray for salvation for thousands of souls through her lifetime, hundreds of thousands. Lord, I pray that there would be revival in the new age community, that they would come to see that it's counterfeit. And they would come to taste and see that you are good and you were the only one that can satisfy their heart. Jesus. And we pray this in your name.
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A
Thank you. I pray for everyone watching. I pray for Jesus to break your chains, for Jesus to break your bondage, to reveal the truth, to have your eyes washed clean in the name of Jesus, that the blood of Jesus Christ protect you, that it wash you clean, that it bring you back out of sin and into completion with God. I pray that any and all tactics from the enemy, any doors be closed in the name of Jesus Christ. May they be canceled. And may you find true, true peace in the Holy Spirit. And I pray that you reveal this through dreams, through insight, through messages, Jesus, that you are the way, the truth, and the life. Amen. Thank you.
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B
Amen. Amen. Ella, what an honor. God bless you. God bless your ministry. And let's do this round two. It'll be fun.
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A
Totally. Thank you so much. Thank you.
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B
Of course. Guys, thanks for tuning into the Jesus People podcast. Come back next week and then stay tuned for round two with Ella Ring Rose.