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Former Satanist helps Psychic find Jesus - Episode 31: The Jesus People Podcast: Jessica & Riaan
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A
I've never heard in maybe the way you guys have heard from, from demons at that level, but I can explain.
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B
How that works if you want me to.
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A
Oh, yeah, go in, man. Guys, welcome back to the Jes us People podcast. This is going to be a good one. I'm, I'm very excited for this podcast. Today we have Jessica Aoff, and you guys know Rion Sweelar. Dude, I, I, I was telling Rion I don't have tech problems until you show up, bud. It's like every time we're talking, all of a sudden the tech isn't working, the Internet's not working, the riverside, like, nothing's working. So I'm blaming you, dude. I'm blaming you.
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B
Of course. Yeah. You know, like, I've, I've had a church told me before that we don't necessarily want you to become a member of our congregation because we don't want your demons to come here.
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A
That's, that's a wild, outof pocket thing to say. And were they serious?
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B
Yes. Oh, wow.
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A
Wow. Talk about fear, man. Talk about fear. Well, the one thing I have learned from you, Ron, is, is fighting from victory, not for victory. And, and so even with all the, I don't know, the spiritual warfare, whatever's going on, we stand on the word of God and the promise of God that we are the children of God and that nothing can harm us, that his love is always for us, and that no weapons that are formed against us shall prosper. So we claim the blood of Jesus over this podcast in the name of Jesus.
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B
Amen.
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A
Claim the blood of Jesus over the listeners. Right now. We are covered. We are good. We, we are walking with a holy swagger, and we are standing on victory from the blood of Jesus and the word of our testimony. That's what we stand on. And so I'm excited to have you guys here. And Jessica, thank you for being on. What an honor. Would, would love you, you start the story, because I want to tell the story of how we connected. But why don't, why don't you kind of start? Because this is a full circle moment.
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C
Here for me to start.
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A
Sure. Yeah.
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C
Well, thanks, Ryan, for going ahead with this. I mean, I have to say, I do think, I think the Holy Spirit's working for us, and I hope he's there with us today. I really do. Yes. So I've been listening to your podcast, and, you know, you talk about scripture, and I've been like, what's this all about? Are we supposed to be reading the Bible? I thought that was just for priests. Like, I didn't think, like, every Tom, Dick, and Harry was supposed to know what was, you know, Matthew 4.75. Like, you know, I'm. I'm still new to it, right? But you got me interested, right? And so I was like, okay, okay. On your Instagram. And I was like, okay, that's cool. Gosh, I wonder what that is. And it was opening up this, like, cracking open a can of worms of information that I had no access. No, I had access to, but I never knew that it was there for me. Right. I didn't know it was, like, for me as well as maybe a priest. And so then I started listening to your podcasts, and I was like, oh, this is so interesting. Gosh, he interviews a lot of interesting people, and, like, their stories are so cool. And then I saw. Actually, the first podcast I saw of yours was the second one you had with Rhian. And you said in there, guys, if you're listening to this, go back and listen to the first one. And I was like, I don't need to do that. I'm not gonna. Nobody's telling me what to do. And then a few minutes later, I was like, oh, wait, I'm really lost. I need to go back and listen to the first one. But Rhian, I'll tell you, please don't take offense. I was terrified to hit that button. I was terrified. And, you know, because just whatever. Whatever the. Whatever the name of the podcast is online, I was like, there's no way I want. Like, you're saying with the church, there's no way I want to. I've seen dark. I don't need to bring that in. Like, podcasts, for me, are my light. They're my avenue out, right? And I was like, why would I spend my sacred podcast time. I have two small kids, you know, listening to that. So I'm being honest with you there, but I did, and I was curious, and I listened to the first one, and I ate it up. And I was like, I need to know what's in the second one. Listened to the second one, ate up every single word. And you talk about the occult. A new word for me. Right? I thought you were saying cult at first. And I said, no, I'm not in a cult, but you're talking about psychics and mediums. And I was like, that's me. Why is. What's he saying? That that's demonic. I'm not. That's not what I do. What I do is of God. I'M so close to Jesus, I wear a cross. I'm Irish Catholic. My kids are in Catholic school. I have a picture of Jesus downstairs. Anytime I sit down with a client, we pray, I say in our Father, how can he be saying this? So then Rhian, then the magic started, and we went on vacation. I got hit. I ended up in the emergency room because I was starting to question things. Came back, ended up in the emergency room again. And I'm going, oh, what's all this about? And it's a mystery. I saw three doctors, had three ultrasounds, had three blood tests. They were like, we don't know what you're talking about. And I said, I'm an ago. Like, pain, like, crying with pain, like. And still to this day, they don't know what is wrong with me. And it has dissipated since. I know what it was now, but what really was the clincher was, we came back from vacation. I was going through all of that, and I was praying to God. My kids were in summer camp, and I was praying to God, and I said, you know, give me a sign of, like, what? Like, you were in my mind. This podcast that you two did was just rattling around going, how can the work I do be demonic? How can it be off the devil? It can't be. I don't ever invoke him. I don't mention the D words. Like, that's the most I've ever said the D word, right? We don't say that. I don't. I never did. And I'm driving to collect my kids from summer camp, and I hear. Because I hear messages all the time, and I hear, pull over to one of those. There's a little library with the books where the neighborhood would exchange books in this neighborhood from. We're going. And I pulled over, and these are, like, a place for me where God will send me all the time. And there's always a book that's, like, beaming in there for me to, like, take a message out of. Not necessarily read, but it might just be the message on the front or something. Same here. I pull up, there's a box beside it with books, and the top book is called the Bible Seller. And I'd been. You know, I'm thinking, I need a Bible. I was like, oh, that's my. That's like, I didn't even have to root. It was right on top. And I flipped it over in the back of the book, and I have it in my car. I should have brought it up to show you. It says, beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. And I initially thought, it's Rhian. Rhian is tricking Ryan. I said, this poor guy, Ryan is doing all the best he can and spreading the word of Jesus. And this guy reigns in there, tricking him. And that's where that was the thought that was planted in my mind. But it didn't settle. It didn't. It didn't root down long enough. So I was like, wait, that's not it. So I said this story to a friend because I'm going through a. How can the work I do be bad? Like, people come to me and say, thank you, our lives are better. Things are great. They'll buy more readings for their parents, for their mother, for a sister, for a friend. Like, I've met people's entire families through only doing a reading with them, you know?
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B
Yeah, I can relate, right?
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C
And so I said this to a friend of mine, Gorgeous Michelle. Gorgeous Michelle. And I, you know, I told her, I said, I think I want to have a Bible. And I've listened to this guy's podcast and. But I found this book, and I was sent in this book, and I don't know what that is. She met me a couple of days later, and she said, jessica, that's been ringing around in my head, who is the. The wolf in sheep's clothing? And she thought she was. Her parents are missionary, are missionaries. And she thought that she had a friend that was a wolf in sheep's clothing. And she was like, she had all these theories of who it was going to be and what it was. And I said, and at the time, I thought, you know, what if it's me? As a joke? Because I would be like, ah, it's probably me. But I went home, I didn't say it. And later on I thought, oh, my gosh, what if it's me? Because I've done a reading for her and for her, somebody in her family. And I couldn't shake that feeling that I was the wolf in sheep's clothing. And I just couldn't shake it. So that friend Michelle sent me a Bible. And I, you know, I'm going through this and I just say, I'm going to email this guy, Ryan Miller, say, hi, I've got a. You know, I had an Instagram called She. So Medium. I thought it was cutesy. My podcast, she's so Medium had episodes on there and interviews and information and trying to get that started. And I said, I'm just going to email him and see what happens. So I emailed him. I emailed you, Ryan. Just my, like, word vomit in an email because I just felt like I had to get it out there. The next day I'm washing the dishes and I hear, you know, I'm praying again. And I hear, I hear Jessica Text is Bridget. And Bridget is a girl who I worked with a year and a half ago for three weeks only, right? So long, plot twist. God sent me to her, right, but her name's not Bridget. Her name is actually Isabel and she's about to go into the convent. And I said, listen, I haven't seen her in a year and a half. Last time I saw her was when I worked with her. And I said, you know, I, I just feel like I've been sent to, to talk to you and I don't know if you've gone into the convent yet, but I've got a lot of questions and I really just need, need to talk to you. If you're free, I'd love to meet with you. She said, jessica, I'm only free tomorrow at 1:30. I'm going to the convent on Saturday and all my family are coming down every. Like, I'm, I'm jammed. So she met like, so how amazing was that? So she met with me the next day and she said, you know, well, first of all, I said, I said, isabelle, first of all, I have to ask you, if I hadn't text you right then in that moment, what would have happened? And she said, oh, I wouldn't have seen the message because I was gone and I was this and I was that. And I said, because when I was washing those dishes, I heard, go text Isabel Net. Well, I heard Bridget because that's going to be her, maybe her nun name we had talked about, that's Bridget. And I said, and I was talking back to God like a brat. I was like, yeah, yeah, I have one last lunchbox of my kids to wash. Like, I'll do that in a minute, you know. And I hear, no, you'll text her now. And I said, okay, let me get a cloth to wipe my hands. He said, no, you'll text. So I'm like, okay, I'm like talking to God in my kitchen. Like, okay, I'm leaving the wooden lunchbox and I'm wiping my hands and I text her. And so she said, if you hadn't text me. So, you know, he was really like, you need to talk to Isabelle. You need to talk to Isabelle. You need to talk to Isabelle. You need to talk to Isabelle. So met with her I told him my whole story of that. I've been doing these readings and whatever, and I'm confused. And then this podcast changed my life, right, Ryan? And literally changed my life. And so she. She listened very kindly, as she would. She's so beautiful. And she said. She just looked at me and she said, you know, Jessica, you've changed a lot since when I met you 18 months ago. She goes, but I have to tell you. And she just paused and said, you've been tricked. And I said, well. And in that moment, I. I was confused still, but I said, okay, I'm done. That's it. Absolutely done. I. And she was coming from a place love. She wasn't gaining anything. She's a way off to the. Like, she was just being sent through the Holy Spirit to tell me that I've been tricked. And so it was you. You two are part of this story, right? So you got me to here. To. Here we are. So I come home, I delete my Instagram. I delete. You know how that is, right? The hours of work you put into those, and algorithms and all of it. Oh, my gosh, when I think of the hours and hours and hours and hours. Podcast delete all my subscriptions deleted, all my algorithm things, everything. Deleting everything. And I was about to delete my email. Jessesomedium. Don't email me now, because it's not there. And I went in to delete it, and I saw the email I had sent to Ryan, and I said. Something just came over me and said, just let him know you're deleting it now. And that here's your personal email and your phone number. And I said, okay, I'll just do that. I said, hi, Ryan. Turns out I found out that I was being tricked. And here's my email and my phone number. If you ever wanted to contact. Not thinking it was gonna be you, ryan, thinking you. 500 people working for you, you know? So then I'm about to bring my kids out that afternoon to go do something lovely, and my phone rings, and it's Ryan Miller saying, hi, Jess, I want to know your story.
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A
Well, and I'll pop in there. I'll pop in there. What makes it even cooler? And this is. This is confirmation just how much Jesus loves you, Jessica. I was on the bike at the gym, and I was writing down all of, like, my. My wish list for my podcast, like, who I want on the podcast. I've been on vacation, so, like, I really haven't been doing a lot to, like, push the Ball forward. And I was like, oh, there was that one author that reached out that wanted to be on the podcast. Let me see if. Let me see if he replied to, like, my reply. And I pull it up, and I just see the. The headline of the email. Psychic medium wants to drop it all for Jesus. I'm like, well, I'm not gonna not open that email. You know, and I read it, and there's been a few times where, you know, like, I do get a lot of emails, but there's been a few times where it's like, the Holy Spirit will highlight. Call them right now. Don't text them. Don't reply to the email. Just call them. And I knew you were gonna pick up. I just knew it. I was like, okay, Lord, I'm gonna be obedient and call you. And. And. And we had a great conversation, and here we are, praise God, like, two days later. And. And then yesterday morning, I was praying about it, and I just really felt like, hey. I was like, lord, is. Are we supposed to do a podcast? Like, is this maybe. Maybe just. I support her. Like, what are we supposed to do here? And I just felt like I needed to connect you with Rion, because, like. Like, I would love to chat through the gospels and love to chat through the scriptures, but there are certain levels to this thing, right, Rion, where you have to understand how these demons are operating and how to break free of those strongholds. And there's a process to all of this. And so I figured just get the two of you together for nothing other than just a friendship. And so, Rihanna, I want to hear from you. But. But before. Before I turn the. Turn the podcast over to you. Man, the Lord just dropped this. This on me. So heavy. This is Acts 19:19. Jessica, this is for you. Said a number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. What were scrolls back then? It was a way of communicating your sorcery, the equivalent of your Instagram and your podcast. And they burned them publicly. And when they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to 50,000 drachmas. So they were valuable, they were expensive. They had taken time to cultivate. These weren't like, on a printing press. They had been handwritten, these books of sorcery, teaching people demonic things. And then they came into the public. They brought them into the light, and they burned them. What are we doing right now? You just communicated to a public audience that you, a psychic medium, sent it all for Jesus, burned them all publicly. And I believe that Every single one of those witches and mediums, they were blessed from Jesus because of that. And I just believe that God has protection in store for you. I think that you should walk with a holy swagger, with no fear, knowing the King of the universe, man, he's got his arm on you right now. He's got his arms wrapped around you, and he loves you so much. And you are that one lost sheep. I don't know if you know this story. The one lost sheep that he left the other 99 to go and to grab, and he's throwing you over his shoulders and he's saying, let's go back home and let's go have a party, because I'm so glad you're back with me. You were his all along. It's not like you belong to the darkness before.
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Amen.
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A
You were dad. You were. You were the sheep that kind of like, ran away for a little bit, but you still belong to the shepherd. And so I don't want you to ever question your identity. Jessica, you are a child of God. You are a daughter of the king. You are dearly loved. Nothing can snatch you from his hand. And you fight from that love, from that authority. Authority, from that victory. And you're standing on a solid rock of his love right now. And so it feels shaky because we're going to get into this. You've been experiencing some attack, some demonic attack, but your. Your warfare will be your worship. You will fight from going back to the scriptures and going back to the belief, because I'm sure you've been hit with all sorts of attack on your identity. You're a fraud. How could you be doing this? You're not worthy to be on this podcast. Like a number of different things I'm sure have been going on for you. Would that be correct?
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C
Oh, absolutely. Yesterday was a disaster. I was swimming and just praying and trying, and I knew that it was doubt and fear and that this was going to crack open another level of darkness that I didn't need, you know, or it was going to affect my family in some way, like chatting with. With you two. Today was gonna. And today is complete. Like, last night, my gas stove turned itself on. My house nearly burnt down last night, and I'm on my own with the kids. My husband's away for the weekend. And I was like, no, not. This is not happening. And I'm holy water up on the stove, and I'm praying over it, and I've got, you know, music playing. Yeah, it's. Yeah. So.
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Well, the beautiful Thing about a podcast is we involve thousands of other people. And so we're going to stop right now and let's pray for the protection of you and your family. And I believe you're going to feel the prayers of thousands of other saints that are coming around you and wrapping their arms around you as well. And so I'll lead us. But as you're listening here, if you're listening to this podcast, let's pray for protection for Jessica. She's given it all up. She's decided to leave her career. This has been your career. This has been your money maker. So there's tons of ambiguity. And so, Holy Spirit, we invite you here. We ask you to flood Jessica's body with peace right now. In the name of Jesus, we ask for your warring angels to go ahead of her, that there would be protection around her house, Lord, that there would be love that would be felt, that all demonic attacks in the name of Jesus would be nullified. And God, we ask that you would give her insights, that you would take the gifting that was stolen by the enemy, this prophetic gifting you've given Jessica, the way you've wired her, that she is your daughter. And God, would you multiply it, because now it's found in right order. Now she's listening to your voice, not the voice of the darkness. And, God, would you increase her peace, her joy, her love, her unity in her family? We ask for protection for her marriage, for her relationship with her children. We ask that no harm would touch them, that you would keep them at bay, Lord, that your angels would war against any principles, principalities of darkness that would come against her, her family. And, Lord, we pray that every time a flaming arrow would come into her mind, she would almost be grateful for it. Every time an intrusive thought would come, she would say, huh, this is an opportunity for me to fight back with my shield of faith and to reclaim what was stolen by the word of God. And she would move in the opposite spirit with a scripture, Lord. So give her an insatiable appetite for your word, Lord. Would she just be. Yes, Lord, just consuming like crazy your word. And would that. Would that be what is her sustenance and her shield and. And her. Her offensive weapon? Because you told us that that's the only offensive weapon we have is the sword of the Word of God. And so we claim these things, we stand in unity on these things, and we pray these things in the name of Jesus. Amen.
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Jesus name. I have a. I have a word for you, Chase.
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Yeah.
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B
So God just showed me that there's this table that he's preparing for you to sit at and there's also massive breakthrough coming in your husband's career. Like he's been working towards something and it's almost like being a bit angst at times. But God is showing that he's bringing blessings to your family through your husband's career and that you've been wanting to write for so long, but you know, what about, and that this was even before you had these insights and now God is going to give you this book that you're supposed to be writing and because you've, you've had this pull that you want to write, but you didn't know what this, this is your story, this is what you're going to be writing about. And you're going to bring thousands and thousands of people to Jesus through that book. And God is just going to bless so many people through you and through your testimony. So I just wanted to pass that and there's so many things I want to say, so I'm going to try to say everything in 10 minutes and then yeah. So I had to learn quite a lot of things about the spirit world and about my walk with Jesus and with, about my past and etc. So many people don't know that before I got involved in Satanism, I was a practicing psychic medium for 15 years. So I, I did that. And I really also was under the impression that I was helping people. And I saw so many what I thought was ancestors and spirit guides and loved ones who have crossed over literally and passing on those messages. And also people came back to me, you know, was wonderful feedback. And I saw four to five clients a day that that was what I was doing. And I was really under the impression that, that I was helping people. But I was so deceived at that time already. And what we have to understand is that God creates everything, including the supernatural. So even the supernatural and the unseen is created by God as well. So when God leads us into spiritual things and let us lean into, into spirit, it is still of him. But the enemy comes and corrupts that and the enemy comes and corrupts our gifts. So when I came to Christ, I had to go through a 10 month period of deliverance. And I'm not saying that's the same for everybody, but during the middle, let's call it midway of that deliverance, my connection to the spirit world completely severed. So I almost relied on my connection to the spirit world to keep me safe because I thought Then at least I can see if there's demons coming at me and things like that. But God didn't want me to have that connection. And the Holy Spirit convicted me of that immensely. So that tie was severed. And then just over a year ago, when I was called into this ministry, I asked God if it is within his will to remove the veil between the worlds for me. Because I wanted to see what I saw for 15 to 20 years about the spirit world, if it was accurate and if it is really the way I perceived it. And I said to God, I need to see what the spirit world actually looks like, even if it's for a few minutes, just to know what I'm getting involved in and then I'll be obedient and I'll do it. And God didn't show that to me immediately. I had to go into a fast. And it was about the fifth day when God showed me and he removed the veil for like, like I said, a few minutes between the worlds and the spirit world is not another dimension, as I believed in the occult or the esoteric or the holistic industry. That there's the dimensions and there's ascended masters and there is, you know, these beliefs that, that and you connect to a higher consciousness. And those were the beliefs that I held onto. So when God actually showed me that the spirit world is around us, it's literally here with us and what is really going on around us. And that those spirit guides and ancestors of people and loved ones were familiar spirits all the time. They, they are demons mimicking that. And that, that people who work in the holistic industry have a good heart and they actually have a gifting from God that the enemy corrupts, you see, and that I wasn't actually helping people. I was, I was deceived and I was deceiving people. I was a tool in the hand of the enemy. But at this moment, and you are probably one of more than 50 people in the last year who work in those industries who've reached out, who have met, who knows they need to get out because the Holy Spirit is convicting them. And, and it is because God is raising up people at the moment for his kingdom, people that he did gift. And we all have gifts. Every human being on this earth have different gifting. And it, the body of Christ works in that way, that there's different parts of the body and Jesus is the head of that body, but we are the different parts of that body. And when you accept Christ and you believe in him as your Lord and Savior, and you believe in the works of Jesus, that you are part of the body of Christ and that you are in the kingdom, and that you can surrender everything to him and that he will use your heart and your gifting to pull other people into the kingdom. So it was such a process for me. And because of my background in the holistic industry and the new age and the occult, I was fearful still almost two years ago when I laid my hands on strangers and I started seeing things and I was like, no, this feels very similar to what I was doing. So. And you know what? God showed me. And you will see this. You're going to see it, and it's going to be beautiful. When I was working as a psychic, when I was working as a medium, the information comes through here, right? When God shows us something, it comes through your heart because that's who he is and that is how he works. And God has a heart for people. I don't, I don't think that we will ever fathom with our human minds how much God actually loves us. And I want to also say to you that Jesus says to you, he has never looked at you, Jessica, and wish that he saw somebody else.
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A
Jessica, how does that sit with you? Hearing that, hearing that the information that you've been gathering has not been because of a psychic gift, but it's been coming through demons.
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C
I mean, my first thought is, I'm just sorry. I'm so sorry for everyone I've ever sat down with. Any client, any friend, any, anybody. I, I just, I feel responsible for also tricking them. And I don't know how to unpick years of that. I don't. Like, I, I, you know, like, I'm trying not to think of it in a way.
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B
Yeah, I was, I was there as well. And remember, even besides me doing that, that you're talking about, for 15 years, I also got involved in Satanism. And I, I was a perpetrator in satanic ritual abuse. Like, I, I did that. I did rituals, I sacrificed animals. I did all those things. So when I met Christ, you come up against all of that. Like, all of it is in your face. And Jesus shows you in the moment that, that he loves you and he forgives you. And obviously it's about repentance. And I was on this mission. Do I now contact each and every person? Because it was thousands of people and it was leading thousands of people into Satanism. And God said to me, if you surrender it, if you surrender it to me, because guess what? The moment that you and this is what God showed me at that time. The moment you go on a public platform like you're doing now, and you testify, every person who's ever been to you is going to listen.
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A
Amen.
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Because if it was just random strangers, you know, but the fact that they know you, they're going to listen to your story. And God will use that and Jesus will work through your heart to touch those people. And some people might reject what you're saying. Trust me, I have experience. But of the many clients that I've seen, do you know how many got saved? Not because of me, because my testimony isn't me, it's God. I'm just the one telling the story, but because they knew me, they were interested to listen. And almost at every church service that I've ministered at, one or two people from the audience would come and say, do you know I've been to you for a reading so many years ago, and I've been to. And I got saved because of your testimony. So surrender it to God. Because once we are in Jesus, we don't. We don't fall from grace ever. We fall into grace.
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A
Amen.
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B
And whatever the enemy has intended for destruction, God will turn to work for his kingdom. If you. Do you understand? If you step into that and you say, Jesus, here I am. I messed up and I've done. But I surrender my life to you. Use my past, my present. Use anything that you need. God will do it. Because God is just God's heart for that. And something you said earlier about your children and your family, that you are scared of them being under attack. Do you think for one minute that God will allow that to happen?
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C
You see? No. But I've been so tricked that I need to habitually get out of the. I was tricked to the point where I thought I had to do something for God's love. Right. My son was really sick in hospital for about on and off for two years. And I kept seeing a microphone in front of my mouth and I kept hearing, do your work and he'll be better.
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B
Yeah, it's. It's not because of. Yeah, it's not works, though. And this is the thing with religion versus a relationship with Jesus, because religion is going to tell you these rituals and these things you have to do and you have to use holy water and you have to. It's empty. The blood of Christ is the most powerful thing. And it covers us when we are in him and when we do God's work. And when God calls you for something, the first year after I got out of. Of Satanism and the occult for the very first year, I was constantly looking over my shoulder. I was constantly checking my phone. I was constantly once a month taking my car to be scanned for bugs and tracking systems and things. Right. Because I used to do that to people who left Satanism when I was a Satanist. So it carried on for a year. I carried a firearm on me. And the more I got to know God's voice and spending time with him, I could start hearing his voice clearer and clearer and clearer. And the one day I pulled over and God said to me, rhian, if you are obedient, you will be safe. And I went to the police station and I surrendered my firearm and I stopped looking over my shoulder. And God has never failed any of his promises. Jesus has always been there to pick me up from my knees when I break down, when things get too much, when religion becomes too much, when people criticize. When, because I met Jesus, this is the thing. I've looked into his eyes for a few minutes and that has been carrying me. And I'm telling you that if. If this is where you are and you are stepping into the kingdom because he's been calling you home. He's been calling you.
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A
Yes.
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B
And your gift is not demonic. Your abilities is not. That is a God given gift that you have. It's just been corrupted and deceived. So it is about surrendering and trusting. And like I said, while we were praying for you, God showed me there's this massive table with so many people and there's a seat for you already.
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A
Amen. Amen. I would, I would add two to that rion. What I just keep getting is like how backwards and upside down it is, who God chose to lead. Like, I don't know if you know this, Jessica, but Jesus in his 12 disciples. Jesus could have chosen anybody. The Bible says he stayed up all night praying to the Father and asking who should be my disciples. The next day he turns around and chooses a tax collector who was ripping people off. Basically a thief.
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B
Yeah.
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A
A terrorist. Simon the Zealot. Zealots were terrorists at that time. And then these ragtag fishermen who were teenagers. Idiots. James, so crazy. James and John were like, oh, the Samaritans are disrespecting you, Jesus. Let's just pull an Elijah and rain down fire and genocide them. And you know what Jesus says to them? He call, he gives them a nickname. He calls them the Sons of Thunder. Because he's like, listen, your fire, your desire to Wipe out a people group because they disrespected me. As misguided, as sinful, as wrong as that is, there's something in there that I'm going to use. There's a fire inside you that I'm going to send you the to the ends of the earth and I'm going to use you in incredible ways. And he's saying the same thing to you, Jessica. You have a gift. You have a prophetic gift. God has called you, an ability to communicate. And what he's saying to you is what was intended for evil. What the enemy stole from you and used for his agendas, God is now reclaiming. And it starts with your identity. It starts with you understanding that you're a child of God, that He loves you and that there's nothing you need to do to earn his love. He's not there waiting for you to climb the ladder to get to him. That's what every other religion on the planet says. Climb this ladder, do these good things, and all of a sudden you'll reach God. Or you'll be good enough, you'll be high enough, close enough to him and he won't be mad at you anymore. Jesus kicks out the ladder and he scoops you up into his arms and he says, hey, listen, the Bible says your good deeds are like filthy rags. He's like, even your good stuff in comparison to my perfection, it's like filthy rags to me. But you're my child and I love you. And I've clothed you in pure white garments. I've washed you by my blood. I love you not based off of what you do for me. You should see the way my kids tantrum. You should see like the way the, the miss like how they misbehave. My daughter just kicked my other daughter like pretty hard this morning. And like I didn't stop loving her less because of it. It's like, no, she's my daughter. She'll never stop being my child. And I think so often when we are coming out of a sinful lifestyle, we, we kind of have this question mark in our head that the prodigal son had. Father, I've sinned against heaven, against you. I'm no longer worthy to be called your son. Well, if my son came up to me because he forgot to do his chores and he said, dad, I, I forgot that I was supposed to clean up my room, I'm no longer worthy to be called your son, I'm just going to laugh because it's so stupid. It's so Silly. And I think that's what he wants to say to you today is like your partnership with a lie. That you're not worthy is what will hold you back. You see, the Satan didn't want to get Adam and Eve to sin, so they just sinned. He wanted to get them to sin, so they fell into shame, started sewing fig leaves on themselves, covering themselves, and left God's presence. And so the best thing you can do right now is just stay in the presence of God. He's gonna do something. I think deliverance is a great idea. I think getting Christian community is a great idea. I think having a cadence of prayer and fasting is a great idea. I think opening the word of God is a great idea. But all of those things are not things in order to please him so that he's not mad at you. They're things to stay near to his heart, to stay close to the present. So does that make sense?
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C
Yes, it does. And I think that's part of the weaving of the trickery that's been going on, is that I, you know, that's what I've been. And it's only in a short amount of time. You know, Ryan, it's so funny you mentioned about the Sons of Thunder. I've started watching the Chosen because.
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A
Amen.
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B
Beautiful. Beautiful.
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C
Second time that has changed. Talk about changing my life. It is incredible because again, you're getting the scripture out of it. My Amazon prime on the two TVs we have in the house have frozen. And every time I go back in to watch the next episode, it goes back to that episode of the Sons of Thunder where he names them. And I was like, why is it keep going to this?
- [41:25]
B
There we go. Yay. Amen.
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C
Right? But here's my. Here's my concern is, you know, now I know why is because you're telling me that that was what he was trying to tell me, and I didn't understand that, you know, that I am worthy. And even though I'm, you know, have done these things, that's over now. And he's always loved me. Here's where my concern is going forward, and I hope I'm not jumping too fast, but, Rhian, I think both of you can help me with this. At the moment when. When your Amazon prime is, like, freezing and you're is like, how do I know that's a message from God now and it's not somebody else? Right? It's not.
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B
Okay.
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C
So my, you know, discerning is coming in, reading this book about it. But Like, I'm really trying to see if, like, the message any closer to God way or what's the.
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B
So. So I, I had that issue again probably within the first year. But you know what helped? And because God literally showed me a picture once on how that works. So if you think of a person in your life, a human being that you know very well, it can be any person, right? But someone that you know very well. And you and that person will be standing in a room with a hundred other people, and you are standing on either sides of the room, far away from each other. You will be able to recognize that person's voice over the other hundred voices. The reason is because you've got to know. Got to know that person so well. And you did that by spending time together, by communicating, communicating, by talking. It's the same with our relationship with God. So the more we spend time with God and you, you hear God, but you doubt whether it is you. And he's talking to you and he's. He's been talking to you for a while. So spend more time with Him.
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C
Sorry, the problem is him the whole time.
- [43:35]
B
Spend more time. And I, I got to where I am today in my relationship with God from the last three and a half years of spending at least three to four hours a day. And I was privileged that I have that time and that I still have the time to do that. And I don't just sit down and I pray and I ask for things. I have a conversation. We talk, me and Jesus, we are hanging and I study the Word and I get something and I go back to the Bible to see if I can confirm it there. Because God will never tell you something that you can't confirm in the Word. But the point is, spend as much time with God as possible and have communication and conversations. And this is what a lot of Christians don't do. So I actually feel sorry for people who only hear God speak through the Bible. And I'm saying that with all respect, but God knows you so well. God knows how many hairs you have on your head at the moment. That's how God knows all of us. But God also wants us to know Him. And God wants us to turn our hearts onto him because he loves us and he wants a close covenant with us that goes beyond religion and ritual. And when we are that close with God, like, no attack. Trust me. And I mean, there's been attempts on my life. There has been so many spiritual attacks. There's been things sent at me. I mean, I can go on and on and on. But why? Because God told me clearly that if I am obedient, I will be safe. And God didn't call us. And Jesus doesn't call us to be perfect. Jesus calls us to be obedient. There's a big difference.
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A
Amen. Amen. And I think that's such a good analogy, Rion, of being in the room and hearing the voice of the Lord, because you're just familiar and you've spent time with him. And I think that goes through the word of God, too. You get to know his character, you get to know his heart.
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B
Yes.
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A
And so there's a few tests for if someone's asking the question, I'm hearing this. How do I know if it's the Lord? Or how do I know if it's a demon? How do I know if it's just my own head speaking to me? I think you can ask yourself a couple questions. Is, what does the word of God say about what I'm hearing? Is this love? Is another question. Like, is the thing I'm hearing, would that produce love in the world? Because God is love. The third thing is the Bible talks about the principle of three witnesses. So we get things confirmed prophetically through other people as well, by having someone else get it confirmed. So someone comes up to me and gives me a word and says, ryan, I think you need to go be a missionary in Africa. I think God just told me that. I say, thank you. I'll take it, But I'm not going to go move my family to Africa because some guy in Target came up to me and told me that I needed to move to Africa. You know, it gets confirmed in three witnesses. And one of those witnesses can be our own spirit. Because again, if you know his voice, Jesus says, my sheep know my voice. They know the shepherd's voice. And I've actually seen videos of this where you'll have a shepherd who will. Or you'll have these different tourists that will call out to the sheep, and the sheep just ignore. And then the shepherd calls out and sheep come running. And it's the same. It's the same thing that Rion is talking about. How when you get to know your shepherd, you get to know his character. You get to know his voice, and then you kind of get to know his purposes and his plans and what he has for you. Where, you know, the word the Lord's given me is meekness. And that word meekness means the taming of a wild mustang for the purposes of taking it to war. And when you become, when you spend that time in the round pen, becoming meek. And a lot of it is suffering. A lot of it is like ripping. A lot of it is unlearning things that you've learned for years. But when you get to the point where you trust your master enough to put a bit in your mouth and a saddle on your back and he says, okay, now it's time to go to war, soon you're not just reacting to the nudge of his reigns. Soon you're anticipating what he's doing. And so Jesus, he's actively bringing heaven to earth. I think a lot of Christians talk about getting to heaven. I think we need to be more focused on him bringing heaven to earth. And how does he do that? He does that through his ambassadors in the world. He does that. And so you begin to anticipate, what is Jesus doing in my son's school, Lord, what are you up to here and how can I help? And then you start hearing that still small voice and you know the trajectory. You might not know that you're going to go to school and share the gospel with the principal that day, but you know the trajectory of where he's going because this is where the kingdom of God is currently advancing. And all you do is you jump in the river and you just, you just like I go, you can't fight the, the current of the river. You just jump in the will, the river of the will of God. And you just go in the direction it's leading you. So that's what I would say is, is you are going to have to be hyper discerning, have wise counsel around you. I mean, check it with me and Rion. Go find yourself local community. You're in San Diego. I just moved from San Diego. I know who the real ones are in San Diego. You know, like, I would love to connect you with people in San Diego who can do deliverance for you. Go ahead, Ram.
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B
Yeah, the last thing I want to say is, and I wish somebody told me this right at the beginning when I met Jesus, but I didn't have many people in the Christian community speaking to me at that time. And I had to discover this for myself. The kingdom of God and the foundation on which you stepping at the moment is solid. Like you have no idea how solid the foundation is that you are standing on at the moment. And you will soon see it is an unshakable foundation. It is if I have to compare what I'm doing at the moment, and I'm not just talking about Jesus which is the most awesome thing that ever happened to me. But being in ministry and standing on this foundation to know how solid it is and that whatever I can even fathom or think I might still need or be provided for, that it's done. Because I also had to give up three years ago a five number amount of money every month because you know how much money you make from the occult. And even me, when I was on Satanism, it was almost double that. And I literally had to lose everything. And I'm not saying that's what's going to happen to you, but I literally had to lose everything and lose a house. And I lost my cars. I lost. And it's only very recently, but it doesn't matter. You see, this is the thing, because once you discover how solid that foundation is and that you are provided for and that the people you love and care for is provided for because God is just. God is faithful. But just coming back to the. The issue of warfare and, and being scared or whatever, you're not supposed to be to know everything at the moment. You. You are being so protected and held at the moment. Like God is literally holding you at his chest at the moment because of the choices that you've made recently. But know that the foundation is unshakable.
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C
I'm fearful for, not fearful for. I should suppose I should say that I want to pray for anyone who doesn't know they're in the occult. Like, that's the thing for me, Rhian, that you were talking about it on that podcast and I was feeling. He's not. That's not me. That's not me. He's talking about, you know, like, genuinely, like, what about all the people that do Reiki? What about, like, I'm reading about yo. Like, there's certain poses in yoga that.
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B
Yes.
- [52:03]
C
Invoking in the dark side. Like, about people with like, crystals and worshiping false gods. Like what? Like what, what? Like just what do we do for them? Like how. Like, do we just.
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B
You. That's. That's your ministry.
- [52:19]
C
Yeah, that's what I feel. So, like, I love for people.
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B
That's. That is your ministry. That. That is what you're supposed to do is to create awareness and because people listen more to someone coming from experience. Because I've met many people in the church world who has been trying to teach on the things that, that I teach about, but nobody listens to them. But because they don't come from experience. Do you understand? So if you come, people listen to people who come from a background that you are talking about. So you can't imagine, or maybe you can, how powerful your testimony will be to say that that is what I did as a career and I was convicted. And this is the reality that I. That I. That I think people should know. But I think a lot of people, they somehow think that Christianity and religion has tainted Jesus and God and that it's a boring thing and that you can't have a spiritual connection, but you can. It's the most spiritual connection I've ever had in my life is following Christ. So it's just, unfortunately, there's a tainted picture. And that's why people go to those industries as well. Because we also have to keep in mind, as a consumer, it's not just people practicing. It's not just the professionals. It's also the consumer who are opening doors. And doors is never marked. Here's a triple six on the door. The doors are marked as. Get an answer from God tomorrow through your astrology chart. The other door is marked, Come and get energy healing or crystal healing or the other door is marked. There's a psychic working with the Holy Spirit. That's how those doors are marked. See, they never mark us. And this is the devil's white lie. And if you open this door, because in the spirit world, there's literally only two things, and it is the kingdom of God, which is Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and there's everything else. There's no gray. The moment you step onto what you might think is the gray, you're stepping outside the kingdom of God. And that is why the word of God isn't laws to control us. It's laws to protect that covenant that we spoke about earlier, that covenant that God wants with us. That is why God does not want us to do those things and partake in those things. So it's also for the consumer, because I've met so many Christians in the last year with heavy demonic oppression because they went for a crystal healing or they went to a psychic, or they went.
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A
And. And just. Sorry, I just want to say too, like. And I know you were just saying this, Ryan, I think you were like, you might hear that and feel shame of, like, how many people did I inflict with demons because of these psychic healings? I want to just offer a different perspective here. How many people, based off of hearing what you're now saying and being on this podcast, are going to stop doing that and send this to their friends who are going, doing the crystals and doing the psychics, like, you are actively advancing the kingdom of God right now.
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B
Amen.
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C
Thank you. Yeah. I mean, it's not only just the people that I've touched because in a way, thankfully, I don't think I was in relations with as many people as Rion has. You know, you said you're in the thousands. It wasn't quite there, but that was my vision. That's what I thought I was supposed to be doing. I thought this was my mission. It's more just like anybody in. Out in the world and you see this, like even the other day I. Somebody sent me a video of somebody going to one of these high end handbag places to do a crystal, crystal healing in the handbag company. And how fabulous it was that she got to go and be at this big high end name and she brought all her. And I'm going, what are we doing? Like, what are we. How this out of everywhere.
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B
But that's your ministry. That, that is your ministry, you see? And this is why you're feeling and seeing the. And. And when. Before I started going into full time ministry as well, I didn't know what it's going to look like. And then I realized that it is what I know. And what, what, what breaks me, what breaks your heart is your ministry.
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C
Yeah, great. Sign me up. If it's what God wants me to do, honestly, just put me in coach because I have nothing else to do right now.
- [57:10]
B
Now you have to spend some time with God right now?
- [57:13]
C
Well, yes, of course, that's. But like outside of that.
- [57:16]
B
Yeah, no, I'm. I know. I'm. I'm just being. I'm just teasing you a bit.
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A
How are you feeling?
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C
No, I'm good. I'm. I'm really, really good. I. I just feel so. This is so surreal because I still, when you guys are chatting, I still feel like I'm watching podcast, you know, and then wait, I'm on here too. And I just, I really. Yeah, I just feel so loved by God. I feel like he's leading me. But I do have questions for Ryan again about like he's telling me that he sees, you know, my husband's work is gonna, you know, go into another level and I'm gonna write a book, which is hilarious because I've always wanted to write and I've been writing a book and I've just started a new one since this and you know, got eight pages out. You know, like, okay, maybe this is what I do. Maybe this book takes off. But so how can he have those messages for me? And that's What I would do for other people, that's wrong. You know? So this is my question. I want to ask him.
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A
Yeah, I. I'd be curious to hear that too, because I have never heard. I. I have never heard in the psychic way before. I. I. Shoot. I didn't think that hearing from God that way existed until I started hearing from the Holy Spirit. I started seeing people get healed. I started feeling these promptings, these nudges to go and share something with somebody. And then I'd go and share it, and they would lose their minds. Like, how did you know that about me?
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C
And so, like, how do you know you're not being sent the wrong message? Sorry.
- [58:53]
B
There's a passage in Matthew that says, if a child asks a father for bread, will he give him stone? If we ask God to speak to us, why would he not do it?
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A
Yeah, but I think what she's getting at is like, how do you discern the spirits? How do you. And we can get into testing the spirits. But I was telling her I've never heard in maybe the way you guys have heard from. From demons at that level.
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B
But I can explain how that works.
- [59:24]
A
Great.
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B
If you want me to.
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A
Oh, yeah, go in, man, because I'm genuinely curious.
- [59:31]
B
Yeah. Okay. So we. We have familiar spirits observing us since we are born. Every human being on this earth is.
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A
What does that mean for you? I keep hearing familiar. It's a demon. So familiar. Why?
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B
So they become familiar. They become familiar with you and your family, and they usually pass down in families through generations. So they observe you. So they observe you extremely close. So as we said before, they can't read your mind and they can't read your heart. Only God can do that. But so familiar spirits can read our actions and they hear what we say. Now, let's say they see you throughout your life. And one day you go to a psychic, and I'm. I'm Jessica or myself. You know, like, we did the work we did. We'll be sitting there. So we see this spirit impersonating a loved one of the person sitting there. That spirit observed that person. So that spirit will tell me, Tell her, when she was five years old, she went with her grandmother to the beach because they observed you. So they can give that information very accurately. I believe as the psychical medium, I'm speaking to a relative of this client. Meantime, it is a familiar spirit imitating and giving me very accurate information with names, dates, all of it. So I give that to the client. The client thinks this is wonderful. Like, wow, the Next minute, I start talking about this person's future and I start speaking things into their future. And this is where. Where. That's the. The. That is the goal of the whole thing is for demons to have an influence on your life and that the enemy comes to steal and kill and destroy. So to steal God's blessing, to steal whatever God's plan is for that person to steal that by making them believe something else. So that is how it works, and that is the modus operandi of familiar spirits. And they also conglomerate around people who work in the occult and who does energy healing and who draws symbols over people's bodies, you see? So it opens it up further. So that is how the whole thing works. And the. The new age is very much based on love and light the whole time. It's the. It's the phrases that get used. It is the devil's white lie.
- [62:25]
C
Wow. It just runs so deep. It just runs so deep into everyday life with so many people. I mean, here in California, but also in Ireland, like, you know, I lived in New Zealand for a time. It runs deep down there, too. That's what I got.
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B
My level two was well, well, on TikTok. You can literally scroll on TikTok and every third video is a reading. Somebody busy doing it. It is. It's so part of the. The enemy's plan. And it's. It's speeding up at. Because of the times we are in. So more and more people are pulled there. It's the easiest way to pull people in. I mean, that is how I got pulled into it. When I literally just Left Christianity in 2003, when I had my first psychic reading. That's how everything opened up to go into where I went. And God is not surprised. I can promise you that. God is not surprised by anything. God is not surprised that I walked the path that I did. God is not surprised that you did. God is not surprised. From each and every person who came to you as a client, God can use all of it. And see, this is the point. God works behind the scenes in ways that we cannot even fathom.
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C
Yeah. And that's where I'm at. I think it's hard to fathom how much perceived goodness was coming out of the work I was doing. You know, like, I never went to a. An event to say, hey, I want to go do this. I was. I've been doing this my whole life. I've known stuff like people without ever knowing them my entire life. And I was a gift from God and that I needed to keep doing it. And then every time have a client, that information was reinforced. And every time somebody was happy or their life was changed for the better, it was reinforced. So how do we go? And Rhian, I'm just looking for the. The words from you because I know I'm going to come out of this. I'm going to run into. I'm going to get a text from somebody saying, hey, I want a book, a reading. I'll say, no, we're closed.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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C
And I need to be able to say, because I've had people even this week say, where are you? I want a book. Or the link isn't working. Or like, someone you know, oh, I sent someone to your podcast. Thanks so much for the work you do. Because she wouldn't have had help if it wasn't for your podcast. My old podcast. And like, so I made the terminology. That's the piece I'm missing is how do I jump from that to here and explain, you know, but it was good, Jessica. But. But all this good stuff happened. And, like, apart from speaking to people who have passed, they put that in a box. Right. I can see how that's bad. But the good messages. So what do I do with those people? What do I.
- [65:14]
B
So I. I also still get people randomly sending me emails. Are you still doing readings? Honestly, from 10 years ago, people who like. And then I'm like, no, I don't. Because God speaks to me directly now. God speaks into my life. And I'm. This is what I'm doing now. This is my focus. And I don't push a conversation then. But that is my response. If they then send me the next question, I then start spreading the gospel and I start speaking Jesus and telling them about Jesus. Do you understand? So, but if they simply contact me and say, do you still do this? Do you still do that? And then I said, no, I don't, because God speaks to me directly now. I don't have to speak to spirits and, you know, and. And stuff, because God speaks into my life now. And God. So I don't do that anymore because God speaks to me. And then if they would ask the next question, then I would start telling about Jesus and how awesome he is. Because those consumers, those people, they are looking for what they think is healing, but they are actually looking for the healer. And I'm saying the healer, that's who they're actually looking for without knowing it. So you can be the catalyst for that.
- [66:37]
C
Yes. Okay. That's the piece I needed, Ryan.
- [66:40]
B
I know There you go.
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C
That's the, the, the, the, the wires weren't just coming together, it was making sense, but they were so separate to me that these people are looking for healing, but they're actually looking for the healer, which of course is God, but they just don't.
- [66:54]
B
Oh, it's Jesus.
- [66:56]
C
They don't know who they're looking for. Right. They don't.
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B
Because have you noticed, have you noticed the spiritual consumer constantly returns, constantly goes for the next Reiki session and then they buy the next crystal and then they have their home things swayed, but they never get healed. So I hope people are listening to this because that is my experience with that industry. Until you actually get to know Jesus, until you actually get to know the healer and he will. What is the very thing that Jesus came to do on this earth? The very thing the cross is for was our brokenness, our sickness, our afflictions, our pain, our sense of loss. That is why Jesus came for all of us, for all of that. We do not need all these other things. Do you see?
- [67:46]
C
I completely see. I completely see it. I mean, it makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense.
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B
I mean, and I feel was the gospel. The gospel is simple. Guess what? But it's all these other things that's so complicated because it's not the truth. The gospel is the truth. That's why it's simple. I can explain the gospel for someone now in the east or in Africa and they'll understand it. Why? Because it's simple. Because it's the truth. Because the truth is simple, sister. It is all these other things and you know, bells and whistles and rituals and it's complicated because it's not the truth.
- [68:26]
C
You know, I just had this conversation with my husband this week because we've been talking about this and he's fully supportive of this entire transformation. I don't know how I got so lucky to have him, but I did.
- [68:37]
B
That's God.
- [68:39]
C
God gave me him for sure.
- [68:40]
B
Yes. Amen.
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C
Put up with me as like a crazy woo woo lady. And now he's going to put up with me as like a Jesus, a Jesus freak. Freak. I don't care. I'll wear that badge with honor, I swear. But he's. You were saying about the Bible and I said, how easy is this? And he was like, what do you mean? I said, we just follow the Bible. It's so simple.
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B
I mean, thank you. And we both said, truth is simple. That's my point.
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C
Well, simple, yes. And that we were saying, why were we trying to Reinvent the wheel. Like, what were we doing?
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B
It's deception.
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C
Just do this.
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B
There we go. I meant you got it. You did it. Okay, My work is done here.
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C
We're done. End quote.
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A
I have a couple questions. So you had asked a really good question of, like, how do I know? Because now you're anticipating hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit. And you were asking the question, how do I know it's him and not the demons that were formerly speaking to me? My response to that was, I don't. I don't think I've. I've heard from demons in the psychic medium way that you guys have. But, Rion, how can you help her discern the spirit?
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B
I have explained that. So it's about spending time with God.
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A
Yes, yes. But does it sound different? Like, other. Like it's the voice, but like. Okay, so what is. You said one thing that I want to touch on. You said, it comes through here. And I don't think the viewers, if they're the. The listeners. Let me just what you said, though, Rion, or like, what you were doing, Because I think a lot of people listening didn't catch that you pointed to your forehead and you said when you were doing the psychic stuff, it was coming through your forehead, like your head, but when you hear from the Lord, it was coming through your heart. Could you unpack a little bit more?
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B
So in the industry that. That I was in, that you work with what you think is your third eye, which doesn't really exist, but it's a concept and it's a belief that you hold on to. Then literally, as you look at people, information would, like, literally come in through your head. And that's how demons. Demons also put things into our head. So it. I mean, in general, our thoughts, our minds is a battlefield for the demonic. It's the arrows. When God speaks to me, and this is how God speaks to me, he speaks. It comes in here. I feel it. I don't. It's not just a thought. I feel it. When God shows me things about people, he shows it to me through my heart. But you see, we have to make sure that our hearts belong to God, because this is the thing as well. A lot of people say, I've given my heart to God. So if you say that, it means that your heart does not belong to you anymore. It actually belongs to God to be used for his kingdom. And how will God then not speak to you through your heart? How will God then not use his Holy Spirit to speak through your heart to other People do you understand? So these are just the things that God has revealed to me over time as I spent time with him and as I got to know him better. So I immediately pick up when there is a demonic entity or whatever in this. We are trying to make me feel something or think something. It is completely different. And even with my time in the new age and the occult, when I was speaking to demons or demons were speaking to me and I. What I thought were angels and ancestors and all those things, the info still came from here. It still comes. It like it comes through your head. When God speaks to me, he speaks through my heart, and there's an emotion attached to it. And it feels very similar to when I met Jesus. Not as intense because obviously when I met Jesus and I was confronted with his love, it was so overwhelming that I fell to my knees. But the familiar is still, still the, the sense is still the same when God speaks to me. So I recognize it. So I don't know how else to explain it. And the best way to get to learn it is to spend time with him and to actually get to know his voice, that you can recognize it over these other voices. Because there's a lot of voices even on our phone. There's voices. There's voices on television, there's voices in the media, there's voices. There's your, your, your, your people around you. People, you engage with all these voices. But we should be able to recognize God's voice over all of it.
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A
Right? Right.
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B
Yeah.
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A
My next question is about the ways that these demons gain access and, you know, obviously, like going to psychics. We've explained that these are familiar spirits. These are demons. There's so many other things, though. I think astrology is, is one thing that I'm curious to get your thoughts on. The other one we talked about Reiki. And then there's another hot button area with the Enneagram. I don't know if you're familiar with the Enneagram. It has pagan origins, but it's found its way into Christian spaces.
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B
Yeah, they're doing it in churches.
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A
So what's your opinion on that?
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B
Okay, so my answer with the Enneagram and astrology is the same answer. Both those practices take your identity away from Christ. So it assigns either personality type or certain characteristics to you based on certain information. And that is not our identity. Our identity should be in Christ. So that's why that opens doors. If, if that answers the question.
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A
Right, right. And explain, explain how that opens doors. So, like, when someone engages with The Enneagram, they say, oh, I'm. I'm just a four. I'm just an eight. What. What is happening there?
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B
That is a demonic influence telling you you are something else than. Rather than a son or a daughter of the king. Got it. And you should. You should explore that more and look into a deeper. Get to know yourself. So you're moving away from biblical teaching to. To now discover who you are according to a system that was developed and started by occultists.
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A
That's gonna. That's gonna ruffle some feathers in the church because there are Enneagram.
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B
How many. How many feathers have we ruffled just with the two previous episodes? I mean, Ryan, if I can just mention this. If I can just mention this. You can keep it in or take it out. So people think on our last episode that I told you the whole satanic agenda. We've discussed one of nine points and people are freaking out already.
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A
So this means that we need to do another episode? Is that what you're saying?
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B
No, I. I don't know if I want to because was like when. When you said when you advertised that you were like, I blew the lid on the whole agenda. And people think now this is the whole. And that's not that. That was one of nine points on that we actually talked about. About the. The one world religion. So I don't know. I'll think about it if people are ready. But what my point by saying that is so we can talk about these things, but it's going to ruffle feathers because people like their comfort zones and people like religion. They don't. They. People are scared to actually have real conversations about these things for some reason. And it's a lack of knowledge that makes people perish. That's why things are happening.
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C
I'm all for ruffling feathers. I mean, I think not ruffling feathers, but like the message has to get out there, guys. Like, this is crazy. It's gone on too long. Wrong. It's gone off.
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B
I mean, amen me to think that I was.
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C
I was doing the work of God. And to be so like to not. Like this is where you're thinking, right? So if you just hear about the occult and you just hear about these things people think they're doing. You know, you think, oh, I went into this dark room and this man made me a psychic, or I. I did this ritual or this ceremony. That's the most earth shattering, shattering surprise for me in all of this is that I thought I was doing the work of God. God I was praying. I was. I was. I was listening. I was following. I was talking about the Holy Spirit. I didn't know that this piece wasn't okay. I didn't know. And thank God other people in my life were working with the Holy Spirit and could shake me out of it. You know, like, me listening to you guys, I had people in. In the world saying, I wonder what the church thinks about that. Like, how. What's your connection with Jesus? And you're still doing this like it is in the Bible and, like, waking me up. Like, I needed those people to say the thing that they went home and felt like they regretted because that's what got me out of it. That's what got me here. So sorry if I'm not trying to. But I. I just think feathers need to be ruffled. Right? Like, it. It's gonna.
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B
I agree.
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C
You have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette, guys. And we're making a big Jesus omelet here. So, like, that's.
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A
Well, Jessica, explain for people how recent this is for you. I. I think. I. Like, I don't know that we really spelled that out clearly.
- [78:37]
C
We're on days, Ryan. We're on days. Right?
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A
So you sent me the initial email. You send me an email on August 6th that I missed, and it said, psychic Medium wants to follow Jes or wants to give it up for Jesus. I missed that email. And then two days ago, I see your followup that's like. Like, never mind. Made the decision to follow Jesus. Yeah, I'm all in now. I don't like, because you were. The initial email was asking me questions. The initial email is like, hey, can you just, like, break this down for me a little bit? And then I. I'm looking for a podcast guest that pops up. And my initial thought was, maybe this isn't the podcast guest, but, oh, shoot, I need to have Rion on. And then I'm like, wait, wait, if we're gonna blow the lid on this thing, let's blow the lid on it. She's already doing a podcast, and so take me into what the last week has been like for you. The. The spiritual warfare. Like, take me into all of it.
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C
It's just been such a turnaround. So up until the last week, like, you know, I. I emailed you on the. Whatever day that was the Wednesday, and I text that friend of mine that's going into the convent on the. The following day. And then I met her on the Friday, and when she said, you've been tricked that's when I, I ended it all. And she, I said, what do I need to do? And, and you know, growing up Catholic and she's, you know, going into the convent, she said, you need to go and confess. And I said, do people still do that? I thought it was just 95 year old women that went to the Catholic church in my little town in Ireland. Like I didn't know people. And I go to the church where my in laws got married, where my husband was baptized, where my kids were baptized. And there was a line, a line of people. And I couldn't believe it. And I got in the line and I just cried. I cried and cried. But I wasn't sad. It was these tears of, oh my goodness, he has loved me through all of this.
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A
Amen.
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C
I just felt so loved. And I went in and it wasn't like a normal confessional like in the olden days or not, where you don't see the priest. This was like you had a choice to sit with your back to him or to look at him. And I didn't know this priest and I sat across from him and I said, you know, when you go in to do confession, you say, bless me Father, for I have sinned. It's been. And I said 30 years since my last confession, because my last one would have been when I was maybe six making my communion or seven. And he reached out his hands like that and he said, and you know, prompting me to put my hands in, he said, welcome back. And I just cried the whole way. I just cried. And I told him everything, I told him everything that I'd ever done and I was sorry for it. And he went away and he told me to say Sam. The Sam, night 23 and 51. And I just went off into a pew and I just read them over and over. And I cried and I cried and I cried. And that was at 4:00'. Clock. There was a mass starting at 5:30. I'm gonna stay and I'm gonna get the Eucharist right for the first. And I'd been fasting that whole day. I just wanted nothing inside of me. I was, didn't want anything anywhere near me. I was just drinking water and went to mass. The priest comes up to start mass and he says, thank you everybody for your patience. We're having trouble with electricity. And I realize I didn't even realize the lights were off. And it was so beautiful because, you know, the devil thought he was tricking us. But I actually thought it was gorgeous because there was no microphones, there was no lights. It was just by candlelight. And right as the priest is about to bless the communion, all the lights come on. And I sat in the pew on my own like a giddy little child, just like, oh, yeah, that was for me. Like, that is for me. Like, the lights are on, right? Like, lights are on. And, you know, I'm just going to tell you what I felt walking out of the church, because I walked out of the church and the priest was there, and the same guy that did the confession, he's heard my whole story. And I, I, you know, you get nervous. You just told someone a big secret. You're kind of like, he didn't. He just. He's only a man. But, like, he just, he just. He gave me a hug, he embraced me, and I walked away. And I hope you're going to know what I mean by this. And I'm sure there's something magic in the Bible that's going to, like, solidify this for me. I walked away and I felt ordinary. I felt like everybody else. I just felt like another face, another soul that just loved Jesus. I hadn't felt that because I always felt like I had this special gift or I had something else going on or I was different. And that was probably the dark side trying to make me feel like, you've got a spat. You're different. And I felt ordinary. And it was. I never thought I would want to be ordinary, but it was so beautiful. It was.
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A
Praise God. Praise God. Well, the Bible's clear aspire to live a quiet life. And.
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B
Amen.
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A
We have so, so many people wanting to have a stage and wanting to, I don't know, have a platform and a voice and to have special gifts. And it's like, man, the gift is in the presence of Jesus. The gift is in those ordinary moments where you just. Just go outside and walk on the sidewalk and you just are praying and encountering his presence. And that's my prayer for you moving forward is just that you would just, like, success in a day for you would be like, did I enjoy him today? That was I with him. Not that you needed to do anything. He's gonna. The Lord's gonna take care of your bills. The Lord's got you. And I would, I would just ask even the people watching this right now if we could commit to be praying for Jessica over the next coming weeks and months and a blessing on her family and protection of covering. We're going to get you with some people in San Diego. We're going to stay in touch. And the Lord's got you. You're his daughter. And I'm so grateful that you'd be willing to share on here and to be so vulnerable a week after meeting him. I think that's what's so cool about this podcast is like, we're going to interview psychics who just came to know the Lord. We're going to interview you former heads of the Church of Satan. You know, we interviewed Nisa Powers two weeks ago, who was living as a woman 60 days ago. It's like just bananas to me what the Lord's doing with this podcast.
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B
Beautiful.
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A
It's the kingdom, man, and we're all family.
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C
Yeah, it's wonderful.
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A
Well, thank you guys for being here. Thank you, Rion, for joining us last minute.
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B
And thank you.
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C
Thank you so much.
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A
God bless you. Jessica. I'm. I'm sure.
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C
Watch. It was your original podcast that got me to where I am. And yeah, like you say, I'm just hopefully I'm going to sit on my hands for a bit because I've always been like, push, push, push to go fast because the bad guy wants me to work fast. But God just wants me to sit in my hands and fall in love with him all over again. And whatever he has lined up, I'm ready to go. So whenever that is, amen.
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A
Amen. Amen. Well, God bless you guys. Thank you for listening to the Jesus People podcast. We'll see you next time.