From Witchcraft & Torment to Freedom in Christ | Jenny Joy: The Jesus People Podcast Episode 34

Summary

Jesus People Podcast Ep. 34 – From Witchcraft & Torment to Freedom in Christ | Jenny Joy

Date: September 8, 2025
Host: Ryan Miller
Guest: Jenny Joy

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Episode Overview

In this candid and gripping episode, host Ryan Miller welcomes Jenny Joy—deliverance minister, survivor, and author—to share her remarkable journey from deep involvement in witchcraft, trauma, and torment to deliverance and radical freedom in Jesus Christ. Together, they explore Jenny's backstory, the realities of spiritual warfare and the demonic, and practical steps for finding deliverance and authority in Christ. Ryan and Jenny also address questions from those wrestling with the unseen realms, offering clarity and hope for Christians navigating spiritual oppression.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Reality of Demonic Oppression and Deliverance (00:00–06:46)

• Jenny opens with her testimony: “I got delivered from over a thousand demons. So it did not matter if I believed that Jesus was God.” (00:00, Jenny Joy)
• The church often downplays or ignores the reality of spiritual warfare—leading to misdiagnosis (as mental illness) and missed opportunities for freedom.
• “Where there is torment, there is a demon. And you can keep it if you want, but it’s not going to benefit your life or anybody else’s.” (01:34, Jenny Joy)
• Deliverance is essential but must be followed by discipleship to "fill the house" (referencing biblical metaphor, e.g., Matt 12).
• Jenny's salvation out of witchcraft and the sex industry did not instantly resolve spiritual torment—she lived for years as a Christian while still oppressed.

2. Spiritual Sight vs. Torment (03:57–06:46)

• Before deliverance, Jenny felt distant from God, like speaking in a warehouse full of boxes. “When I got delivered, it was like nothing was in that warehouse anymore. I could see the Lord rightly, I could hear him rightly.” (03:57, Jenny Joy)
• Vision after first deliverance: Clear spiritual sight as if underwater with goggles; demonic influence acts like a distorting lens.
• Demonic oppression often cloaks itself as personality traits or mental illnesses: “I was diagnosed with bipolar 1, complex PTSD, dissociative identity disorder... Those were demons, you know what I am saying?” (06:46, Jenny Joy)
• Physical, measurable change: Past brain scans showed mental illness symptoms; post-deliverance scans did not.

3. Jenny’s Backstory: Trauma, Witchcraft, and Spiritual Doors (07:40–14:14)

• Raised in a dysfunctional, alcoholic family; sexual abuse began at age 3 and recurred through childhood.
• Introduction to witchcraft at age 7 (Ouija board), which Jenny now understands as a major “open door” to demonic attack: “You’re giving access to demons to enter into your life, and they can come in however they want. Trauma is an access point. Addiction is an access point.” (10:04, Jenny Joy)
• Other entry points: trauma, self-harm, addiction, generational curses, occult activity.
• Self-harm and attraction to dark community themes (e.g., online suicide chats) by age 12–13.

4. Spiritual Encounters—The Loss of Innocence (15:46–24:20)

• Pivotal event: Terrifying demonic attack during a middle school camping trip, accompanied by a voice: “Get the F out.” (20:49, Jenny Joy)
• Result: Jenny removed her cross necklace, symbolic of her temporary renunciation of faith and deepened descent into self-harm, depression, and supernatural oppression.
• Disenchantment with Christianity: Youth pastors unable to answer her questions about seeing spirits. Instead, psychics spoke identity and purpose into her life, further ensnaring her in the occult.

5. Descent Into Witchcraft and Mediumship (24:20–35:54)

• Jenny sought meaning, power, and community through witchcraft, psychic readings, and eventually, training under a medium and practicing “channeling” and necromancy.
• First-hand account of spirit possession during channeling classes: “You’d literally watch her eyes change... She would just, like, and then it would come in and speak through her. Like, it was straight-up demonic possession.” (29:07, Jenny Joy)
• Description of a “veil” between physical and spiritual realms and how the enemy uses spiritual encounters to entice and trap.
• The Lord began to convict Jenny even while practicing witchcraft—a growing sense of fear and discernment signaled her eventual rescue.

6. Deliverance and Spiritual Authority (37:32–52:06)

• Jenny actively teaches her young son to exercise spiritual authority: “Rain, where are... Are there any demons in our house? ... We’ll just anoint it and command any demons to leave.” (37:59, Jenny Joy)
• Deliverance ministers and their families are targeted; spiritual covering and intercessory prayer are critical before and after ministry.
• The biblical responsibility and spiritual influence of husbands/fathers as the “roof” (capella) and covering of the home: “If the man is in sin, there’s no roof on the house.” (62:32, Podcast Host)

7. Deliverance Ministry: Nuts & Bolts (59:03–72:18)

• Deliverance begins with worship, prayer, and declaring who God is—demons hate the truth.
• Identifying open doors: repentance, verbal renunciation, and breaking generational curses or soul ties.
• Importance of forgiveness: “Unforgiveness is an open door to the demonic.” (73:52, Jenny Joy); powerful imagery of a heart with fish hooks released by forgiveness.

8. Christians & Demonization—Myths Debunked (64:38–65:47)

• Many Holy Spirit-filled, faithful Christians need and receive deliverance: “Every single person that comes to me... are Christians. And half of them are Holy Spirit-filled Christians walking in righteousness.” (65:03, Jenny Joy)
• The false doctrine that “Christians can’t have demons” is dangerous and unfounded biblically; Jenny warns: “If you are believing that and you’re spreading that lie, it’s doing a huge disservice to the body of Christ and you need to repent.” (65:47, Jenny Joy)

9. Modern Issues—AI, Spirit Spouses, and the New Occult (53:44–59:01)

• AI relationships (e.g., with ChatGPT bots) are new portals for spiritual bondage: “People... are now having actual sexual encounters with a demon... It is coming in through the entry point of ChatGPT.” (56:30, Jenny Joy)
• Explanation of “spirit spouses” (incubus/succubus): Demons that bond sexually/spiritually to people, fueling sexual dysfunction and broken marriages.

10. Practical Steps: Overcoming Fear and Finding Freedom (77:18–86:06)

• Self-deliverance steps: Identify fears, repent for them, renounce agreement, command spirits to leave, and invite the Holy Spirit to fill you.
• Ongoing mind renewal, lifestyle change, and boundary-setting are crucial post-deliverance.

11. Jenny’s Book and Ministry (86:06–88:45)

• Upcoming book: The Witch and the Lamb (releasing February 2026)—her in-depth testimony and teachings to draw unbelievers and believers alike to freedom.
• Follow Jenny on @ennyjoyhappy (Instagram, TikTok), with deliverance resources and recommended ministries in her bio.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Where there is torment, there is a demon. And you can keep it if you want, but it’s not going to benefit your life or anybody else’s life around you for sure.” (01:34, Jenny Joy)
• “When I got delivered, it was like nothing was in that warehouse anymore. And I could see the Lord rightly, I could hear him rightly.” (03:57, Jenny Joy)
• “Introduced to witchcraft at seven [with a Ouija board]...that was my first demonic encounter.” (09:34, Jenny Joy)
• “I came to Jesus, but I lived in torment as a Christian for almost five years.” (03:57, Jenny Joy)
• “Anytime that you see somebody who’s self-harming, there are demonic spirits at play. We see that in the Bible.” (10:04, Jenny Joy)
• “You don’t break a habit—you change a habit.” (78:52, Jenny Joy)
• “We just have to teach [our kids] how to pray.” (41:09, Podcast Host & Jenny Joy)
• “Every single person can have [spiritual] authority. It comes from spending time with the Lord and surrendering things.” (51:21, Jenny Joy)
• “Forgiveness broke the back of that thing, and it was like freedom came rushing in.” (76:40, Podcast Host)
• “I got delivered from over a thousand demons. So it did not matter if I believed that Jesus was God.” (00:00, Jenny Joy)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction & Jenny’s Deliverance (00:00–03:57)
• Navigating the Demonic in the Church (03:57–06:46)
• Backstory: Trauma, Witchcraft, and Community (07:40–24:20)
• Practicing Witchcraft & Mediumship (24:20–35:54)
• Transition—Deliverance and Authority (37:32–52:06)
• Deliverance Nuts & Bolts: Ministry Models (59:03–72:18)
• Christians, Demons, and Theological Clarity (64:38–65:47)
• Spirit Spouses & Tech-Age Bondage (53:44–59:01)
• Conquering Fear and Walking in Freedom (77:18–86:06)
• Book Announcement & Connection Details (86:06–88:45)

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Where to Find Jenny Joy & Deliverance Resources

• Social Media: @ennyjoyhappy (Instagram & TikTok)
• Upcoming Book: The Witch and the Lamb (February 2026 release)
• Deliverance resources & ministry recommendations: Link in Jenny’s social media bio and episode show notes.

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"Praise the Lord." – Jenny Joy (89:11)

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For listeners struggling with spiritual torment, witchcraft, sexual bondage, or longstanding trauma, this episode is a bold invitation toward biblical deliverance, radical honesty, and real-life transformation in Jesus.

Transcript

[Jenny Joy]

I got delivered from over a thousand demons. So it did not matter if I believed that Jesus was God.

[Podcast Host]

Guys, welcome to the Jesus People podcast. We have the honor and the joy of having Jenny Joy on today.

[Jenny Joy]

Thank. Thank you so much.

[Podcast Host]

Thanks for coming in.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, I'm super stoked to be here. Thank you.

[Podcast Host]

Welcome to Dallas, Texas.

[Jenny Joy]

Thanks. I lived here before. Did you know that? No. Yeah, I lived here two years ago. I was here for two years.

[Podcast Host]

I think you did tell me that.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah. So I'm from California, Southern California. I came to Dallas and now I'm on the East Coast.

[Podcast Host]

Dude, the Southern Californians come to Dallas.

[Jenny Joy]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

There's an exodus happening.

[Jenny Joy]

For sure. For sure.

[Podcast Host]

Texas. Yep. Yep. Well, this is. I think the timing of this podcast is really good because we've had Rion, the former head of the Church of Satan in South Africa, on a few times now. And my email is blowing up, my DMs are blowing up with questions, like, specific questions. And you are a deliverance minister and you have an amazing backstory. I'm so excited to get into that. But I also want to get into some of the nuts and bolts of demonology and understanding how does the spiritual realm of darkness operate. And not so that we hyper focus on it, but I think so that we're educated and we understand that there's a spiritual war happening. Cause I think so many people are just blind to it.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, for sure. And like, I know that a lot of people, a lot of Christians are like, oh, we don't wanna glorify the devil. We don't wanna talk about this stuff. But it's like, if you're not talking about it, people aren't gonna know about it. And you need to know your enemy and know how to wage war against the demonic. I have so many people who come to me with all these different issues and they're like, oh, I have this diagnosis. I have this. I'm dealing with this in my marriage. And I'm like, that is a demon. That is a demon. Where there is torment, there is a demon. And so I see so many people in the church, half the church is just in. And they think that this is how they need to live their life. This is just mental illness. This is just what they're struggling with. And I'm like, no, bro, that's a demon. Yes, there needs to be, like, mind renewal and all that stuff. You need therapy, you need counseling. Like, you need to go work out, you need to eat right. You know what I'm saying? But it's like if there's torment there, there is a demon and you can keep it if you want, but it's not going to benefit your life or anybody else's life around you for sure.

[Podcast Host]

Right, Right. Yeah. We just had a therapist on, Dr. Courtney Miller, and we were talking about it and you know, she's coming at it from more of a mental health perspective, but she's definitely, she definitely understands the spiritual war that's being waged. And I think she made a really good point. She's like, hey, listen, we don't need to focus on necessarily where it comes from and hyper focus on it. We just need to pursue Jesus. And I think part of pursuing Jesus is asking where's the kingdom? And you see Jesus is casting out demons constantly, but he's also healing people. He's also just sitting with people, he's also weeping with people. So I think so, so often we can be like, well, what is it? Is it a demon that I need to cast out? Well, yeah, and it's probably mental illness as well.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And it's probably. You're on your phone too much as well.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, for sure.

[Podcast Host]

You know, and I think the biblical model is Jesus says when you sweep a house clean of the demon, it comes back seven times greater. And so the, the, the model is let's do deliverance and then let's do discipleship for sure. Because we need to fill the house. You know, the Eastern mindsets or Eastern meditation is you're going to rid of everything, you know, just get everything out of there. I think biblical meditation is fill. I think that's the biblical call of discipleship is how much can we fill our lives with goodness, how much can we set our eyes onto Christ, the founder and perfecter of our faith? And so I think as much as we can talk about the darkness and talk about the thing that we don't want any part of that. I think it is important to talk about that so that we know how to properly focus our eyes on Jesus.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, Amen. Amen. And like I explain it to people because my deliverance testimony is pretty, pretty insane. You know, I didn't. I knew that what I was dealing with was supernatural. I had dealt with paranormal activity like my entire life, right. Weird stuff happened after I came to Jesus. Weird stuff happened after I got baptized. And then I lived in torment as a Christian for like almost five years. Like after I got radically, radically saved out of witchcraft, the sex industry, like addiction, abuse, like all this stuff. And when I got delivered, like what it felt Like, I guess for me was before when I would speak to God. It was like we were in this huge warehouse, warehouse that was like filled with boxes, filled with things. And God is on this side of the room and I'm over here and I'm like, lord, what do you say about this? And I could hear something and it was like a muffle, muffled, you know, But I could, I knew that God was there. I believed it, but it was muffled. And when I got delivered, it was like nothing was in that warehouse anymore. And I could see the Lord rightly, I could hear him rightly. Like the Lord gave me a vision after my first deliverance, because I didn't go and book a deliverance. Like that's not how my story, which I'm all for people booking deliverance. Like that's what I do, you know, for my ministry. But. And I can get into the whole story of my deliverance. But the vision that the Lord gave me right after I got delivered was he showed me what it was like when I was saved. And it was me under a pool of water. And it was, you know, when you go night swimming, you can't really see things rightly if you don't have goggles on, it's dim. You can see the light over there. And that was like my walk with Jesus. And then I got baptized, came to him fully, and it was like I. It was light outside and I could see in the water, but I still didn't have goggles. And then when I got delivered, I was under the water, it was bright as day, like high noon. And I could see everything clearly. And so when you have demons that become part of your personality, like bitterness or unforgiveness or sexual issues or whatever, like you're viewing the world through a certain lens, but there's a demon that's adding to that filter. Do you know what I'm saying? So I had all of these sexual issues, all the sexual trauma, you know, thought, oh, this is just my personality, this is who I am, this is the way I talk, this is the way that I live my life. I'm free in this area. And when I got delivered from all these sexual demons that I did not know that I had, that completely changed completely. Night and day. I was a sex and love addict, going to 12 step meetings, like, tormented by these issues for many, many years. I'm following Jesus. I don't know why I keep falling into this sin. I'm doing everything that everybody says to do. And then the Lord set the deliverance D For me, I get delivered and those sexual things are gone. The mental illness is gone. Like, it's gone. I mean, it's not on my brain scan. I got my brain scanned at amen clinics, like, years after my deliverance. It's not there.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Jenny Joy]

So I was diagnosed many things. Some things were still on there. So that's how I learned that I had adhd. It was on my brain scan. I was like, that makes sense because there were lots of things going on in my life and I didn't know because of that, but I was diagnosed bipolar 1 disorder. I was diagnosed complex PTSD, diagnosed dissociative identity disorder, which is multiple person personality disorder. Like, those were demons, you know what I'm saying? And obviously, like we talked about earlier, depression, anxiety, all that stuff can come from different things as well. It's not just a one size fix. All fits all. Like it can be a spirit. It could be the food that you're eating for sure. You know, if I eat gluten, I'm gonna have anxiety. Cause my body doesn't process that well.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah. So it's just crazy.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. Wow. Okay.

[Jenny Joy]

I know. That was a lot, dude.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, that was a lot. Holy smokes. What a beautiful life.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, no, really. It really is.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so can you. Can you give us a bit of the backstory then?

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, so I'll try to give you like a short Cliff Notes version, because.

[Podcast Host]

You don't have to go. Short Cliff Notes. It's a podcast, so, like, we can get into it.

[Jenny Joy]

We can be here for six hours. Just kidding. We're not gonna do that. Yeah. So, you know, I was raised, born and raised in Southern California, part of a dysfunctional alcoholic family system. So that's not a great way to be brought up. And the abuse in my home started from a family friend. The sexual abuse started at three. And so that went on three to, I think, eight years old. And then I had another sexual thing happen at nine years old. And I can actually look back at my life now that I've gotten delivered and operate in this. I can see when certain spirits, like, entered in. So, like, I was not an angry child until I was nine. So, like, there was anger with that assault. And the way that I became, began to deal with my emotions and it was like, well, I'm just gonna become a fighter. I'm gonna fight back. I'm gonna be this angry girl. I mean, I was like, fun loving, but also like, don't tick me off type of thing. And obviously was introduced to drugs and alcohol, and that just fueled the fire. Introduced to witchcraft at 7 years old from a neighbor girl. So there was.

[Podcast Host]

Wait, wait, wait. How.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, well, this is, like, not uncommon, you know? So one day, this. This girl, she asked me and my friend if we wanted to come over. She got a new game, and she's like, but I can't tell you what the game is. You gonna have to come over and see. And it was like, I don't know, ten in the morning. Like, it wasn't like, late at night or anything. And I was like, okay. And so we went over to her house. She lived a street over. And she's like, it's a really cool game, but we have to turn off all the lights and we have to, like, shut the blinds. And I was like, okay. And so she does that. And I could feel like something wasn't right. You know what I mean? Like, I was like, this seems like a weird game. And she pulls out a Ouija board. So Ouija board is witchcraft. You're communing with demons. Like, I don't care, like, what you think if it's at Barnes and Nobles or Toys R Us. Like, it is a demonic.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Jenny Joy]

It's not a game. Like, it's real, what you're dealing with. And so she pulled that out, and they're all trying to talk to spirits. And that was, like, my first demonic encounter. So I heard a spirit. I saw a spirit. From what I can recall, I was the only one that could get the little thing to move. And after that, it was like doors had already been opened in my life because I was not in a home where it was safe. Like, there was abuse that was happening. So there were already demonic doors open.

[Podcast Host]

And explain that real fast. If you could just give, like, a. A quick explanation of what an open door is.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah. So open doors are just things that open a person up to demonic attack. So an example would be, like, witchcraft. Right. So you're giving access to demons to enter into your life, and they can come in however they want. Trauma is an access point. Addiction is an access point. Abuse is an access point. Fears and phobias is an access point. Curses, witchcraft, and the occult, these are all access points where demons can come in and they begin to oppress, harass, and torment a person and. Or a household. So, you know, people that partner heavily with fear, you can see the anxiety. You can see. And anxiety in and of itself isn't, like, fully demonic, you know what I'm saying? But, like, there can be a spirit of fear. There. And it plays on. Yeah. If you have more phobias, you're coming into agreement with more fear. It's like more things are moving in. There's anxiety, there's depression now there's suicidal feelings. Now you're self harming. You know, you see, with trauma, specifically. Like, I was introduced to drugs and alcohol early on. Right. That's the way that I dealt with my trauma. Spirits were attached to that. I began self harming. Anytime that you see somebody who's self harming, there are demonic spirits at play. We see that in the Bible, you know, with the man who has the Legion spirit. Yeah. And he's in a graveyard and he's cutting himself, like he wants to die, you know, so there are always demonic spirits associated with that. So. Yeah. Does that make sense?

[Podcast Host]

It makes sense.

[Jenny Joy]

Kind of move in.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I didn't want to pop out of the narrative too much. So you were playing with this Ouija board. It was an open door into your life.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And then. Yeah, I kind of pick up from there.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah. And so, yeah, it just opened me up to that interest. And I think because there had been so much oppression in my life already by the age of seven, and then I seemed to have this big encounter. More than the other girls, it felt like there was like a power that I felt too. So even though it was scary, there was like a power to it.

[Podcast Host]

Because you were the only one that made the Ouija board move.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, from what I can remember, like, I. I saw the spirit, I heard the spirit. Like, yeah, I could hear chains rattling. Like, it was really intense. This is at 10 in the morning, you know what I'm saying? But when I see people who are in new age, who are in witchcraft, the first thing. Well, that tells me a couple things, is number one, they probably have the prophetic call on their life and the enemy has thwarted it. Okay. And number two, it tells me that somewhere along the line there has been a lot of powerlessness and they found witchcraft. Because witchcraft does work. Obviously. Demons are coming into your life and you're, you know, gonna go to hell if you don't repent and come to Jesus. But there's powerlessness there. And that's like the draw is because you find power, you find community. When I got into witchcraft more Heavily, you know, 19, 20, 21, 22, I had been through a lot of abuse from a lot of men. Well, the coven or whatever, the church. Not. It wasn't a church, it was a temple that I was a part of this underground temple in Orange county, actually it was all women. Men weren't allowed there. And so it offered me safety that I didn't feel elsewhere. And then it was like, oh, all these other women have these same giftings as me. And I see power here. So it was like powerlessness, not wanting to be around men. And it fueled that.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah. And so I got really into witchcraft, I think around 17. I mean my whole middle school, high school, it was just a message, you know what I mean? The dysfunctional family just continued in its dysfunction. My dad's alcoholism really took a toll on me. I remember being 13 years old and just like sitting down with my grandma and my mom and saying, can we get him into rehab? Like can we do something? And you know, as like a teenager feeling that pressure to like want to get your parent help and like nobody else feels like they're doing anything. It was a lot of pressure. So there was like codependency was born and all of that. And I began self harming at like 11 years old.

[Podcast Host]

Oh my goodness.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, so it was 11. There were other girls in my school who were self harming as well. So I found my community kind of in a weird way. It was like you find your people. You know, birds of a feather flock together. And this was when the days of aim. Instant messenger.

[Podcast Host]

Oh yeah.

[Jenny Joy]

And so I was on. Did you ever do that?

[Podcast Host]

Heck yeah.

[Jenny Joy]

Okay. Yeah. I don't know.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. So excited to get home from middle school.

[Jenny Joy]

I know. Put up your away message and like LOL is so funny. And so I was, you know, in those chats and there were chats that I found at that age at like 12 years old. And they were suicide chats. And it was just all of us getting in there, talking about the different ways that we wanted to die or how much we wanted to die and just like fueling that self harm and talking about the ways that we self harmed. And it was just a really weird, not support group, but it was like people dealing with the same issue. And so I dealt with that in middle school. And then I know I'm kind of going all over the place around like 12 or 13, I think I was 13 years old. This was a pivotal moment in my life because I did believe in God. Like my grandma was a Christian, you know, I believed. I think I had gotten baptized at her church when I was nine. I wanted to just be dunked in the water. That's not the way that they did it. And I was like, dang it. Like I wanted to Go in a Jacuzzi and, like, come out. Like, I just thought it looked fun. But I did believe in God. I knew that Jesus was, like, a real person. Obviously, there was this pull with witchcraft and then this, like, pull with Christianity. But the witchcraft pull was a lot harder, like, stronger. And so I was following that path. And so when I was in middle school, I had this fear of spending the night places probably associated with my trauma. And I was terrified. And I was like, I'm gonna go into high school and I don't wanna be scared to spend the night at friends houses. Like, I wanna get over this. And my middle school was offering, like, a. It was a camping trip. I don't like camping. I still don't like camping to this day.

[Podcast Host]

Camping's the worst.

[Jenny Joy]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Podcast Host]

Why would you do that? I don't understand.

[Jenny Joy]

No, I don't know. I've tried to redeem it multiple times, and it's, like, only gets worse.

[Podcast Host]

Let's go sleep on a lumpy, hard surface.

[Jenny Joy]

Cold. Oh, I even camped in Hawaii to try to redeem it. And guess what? Our tent filled with water. And, like, because it was raining and it all pooled where I was laying, I was like, I don't want to do this again. And then I did it again in Joshua Tree, and I'm covered with all these, like, sticky things. And I was like, this is not it for me, you know?

[Podcast Host]

But I will say, a while back, I was like, I don't understand people who hike. Hiking's the dumbest thing ever. Just like, a mild amount of pain to just, like, walk. And that's all you do, is you just walk up. Like, I hike now. I kind of like hiking. And then I moved to Texas, and there's no mountains here, so I can't really hike.

[Jenny Joy]

No, it's really hard to hike here, for sure, because I tried to do that when I lived here.

[Podcast Host]

So maybe I'll be camping in 10 years and I'll look back on this and be like, I missed out, but you people are crazy for the time being. For real camping.

[Jenny Joy]

But yeah. So it was like this camping thing. It wasn't outdoors, but it was like this house in the middle of the woods. It was honestly like a scary movie type setup. It was like, you drive six hours to this place, there's nothing around for miles. But it's like, all my friends are going and the teachers are going. And I was like, okay, this is going to be my opportunity to get over this fear. Because if I'm around A lot of my friends, maybe I'll be less afraid. And so, in short, to make a very long story short, I get there and I'm 12, 13 years old. I was given like a cross that I wore like around my neck, which was kind of like, oh, this thing is gonna protect me. That's like how I felt, you know, which. That necklace is not gonna protect me, but that's what I had my faith in. And I walk up these stairs, it was so crazy because on the bus ride, I'm like getting more and more anxious, more and more nervous. And I believe it was discernment that was also kicking in, but I was overriding it because I had like a history of that with trauma and all the abuse. You kind of override those feelings of discernment because you have to when you're being abused as a child, you know.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah. Yeah. And so can you say more about that? Yeah, just. Just the discernment, like that's it being overridden. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because when you are being. If there's any type of abuse, like sexual abuse, physical abuse, you know, as a child, that what's happened, or a parent is yelling in your face, whatever, you know that it's not. Right. Right. But once it continues to happen again and again and again and you don't have control over it stopping, it's like you have to just kind of accept that it's happening. And so there's this override that you do. And then I don't know how to explain it. I write about it, actually in my book, but it's like I became calloused to trusting myself because am I making sense? Does that make sense?

[Podcast Host]

You are.

[Jenny Joy]

Okay, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

No, I think my, you know, kind of the. I have a background in mental health. I'm not a licensed therapist or anything, but I have a mental health ministry. And so. That was a really interesting comment. Sorry to cut you off there. I just, I think there's. There's some sort of dissociation that happens.

[Jenny Joy]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

As a child when you have to survive and you get in a situation where you're like, this doesn't feel right. And then it happens again and it gets normalized.

[Jenny Joy]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

And I think you can kind of sear a little bit of.

[Jenny Joy]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

Your ability to feel, even as a seven year old, because you're like, I'm.

[Jenny Joy]

Not allowed to have this discernment or this intuitive feeling that tells me this person's bad because I don't have control over it. So I'm Just gonna. Yeah, you just become callous and you have to kind of ignore it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jenny Joy]

So that began to even play in my relationships in my adulthood.

[Podcast Host]

Well, I was gonna say, I think it almost becomes, in a way, a bit of Stockholm syndrome, for sure. Where you start to become attracted to the very thing because it's become normalized, it's gone through, this is unsafe, this feels weird. You hear this a lot with people when they talk about pornography. It's like, oh, I was fearful, I didn't like it. I felt gross to my stomach. And then I just kept wanting it and then it just became normalized. I think that's how the enemy operates.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah. Your consciousness literally becomes feared.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And then you begin medicating the other things in your life with the thing that was at first dangerous and you knew it was, but then it becomes. Become familiar.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And I just find. I just think that's really interesting.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah. So like having trauma reenactment or like you said, putting yourself. Like a lot of people that have severe childhood trauma have like high risk issues in their adult life. You know what I mean? Like, they're. I did like nude modeling for many years, and I would, as an 18 year old, I would put myself in these situations that were like, you are insane. Why are you meeting this person that's 45 years old off the Internet, going into their dark apartment and like. Because they're a photographer.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Jenny Joy]

You know what I'm saying? But it was like this high risk and you become like, that's your normal. And so that's where you operate in. And so I found myself in all these high risk situations. And it was just like, people would ask me, aren't you afraid? And I was like, it was like deep down I had so much fear within me, but I would put myself in these situations with like drug addicts or gang members or, you know, people in the sex industry. And it was just like, normal. Yeah, it was super weird. So I'm thankful I've been delivered of that.

[Podcast Host]

Amen. Amen.

[Jenny Joy]

But just kind of back to the thing that happened in middle school. You know, I went to this cabin in the woods and this was again, one of my early on, like, demonic encounters is I walked in to the building. Like we walk up these steps, parked the bus, walked up the steps, and as soon as they opened the front door, I remember I have it so clear as day in my mind. I like scanned the kitchen and the countertops and I immediately heard a voice. It was like an angry, demonic voice. And it said, get the F out. And I even like, looked around to see, like, did anybody else hear this? And I felt like, you know, really nervous. And I was like, okay. Like, that was weird. Like, just brush it off. And that night we did have a demonic attack. So me and one of the girls in the cabin dealt with one of the worst, probably demonic attacks that I've ever personally experienced. And it brought a lot of fear and it brought a lot of pain and discouragement. And after that encounter, like, there were curses put on me. The lady who was running the place was this woman, and she just like, hated me. We were only there for one night and two days, and she just hated me. Like, they told ghost stories. She said you might hear or see stuff in the night. And we did. We had multiple encounters with demonic things. And after that, and I hardly slept. I probably slept like two hours. There was pounding around our room the whole night like something out of a scary movie. And we were on the second floor and there's nothing on this wall, on this wall. Like, there's no way that a human person could get up and do that unless they had like a moving ladder. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's pretty crazy. And after that, I took that cross necklace off. I began self harming more. I became like, very, very depressed, very suicidal. And that's when I kind of found myself fully into like drinking for sure. That was the first thing that was introduced to me. And then drugs later on in high school. And yeah, after that as well, I began to have more demonic encounters. So I was very oppressed and just experiencing the supernatural. Ghosts everywhere. Like, people would be like, come to my house, tell me what ghost is here. What does it look like? So it was like this weird introduction to almost like mediumship type stuff, which I ended up going that route because of it. But yeah, it was really intense. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. Why'd you take your cross necklace off?

[Jenny Joy]

I also, at that time as well, I also. I used to sleep with like a teddy bear and like a baby blanket. And after that, I like folded up my baby blanket and my teddy bear and I put it up in the. And it was just like, there was like a loss of innocence. I feel like that happened there. And I wore this cross necklace as like a form of protection. And like that whole night I prayed. I did pray. I said, God, what is happening? God, can you help me? God, can you hear me? Like, can you help me? Can you help me? Can you help me? And obviously, I don't know my authority as like you know, a teenager or 12, 13 year old. I have a 4 year old son. I teach him his authority. Like you feel fear at night? No, we're done. Command it to go in Jesus name. And like sometimes in the house he'll randomly like turn around in the kitchen and he'll say, fear, go, get out. And I'm like, okay. He's picking up on stuff that's around, you know. And so obviously I didn't have that at that age. I thought this cross necklace would protect me. It didn't and so I took the necklace off and I just, I used to go sometimes to like worship nights that I was invited to, you know, down the street. And I just didn't want to go anymore. I was like this God thing, like doesn't work. And when I would go back to this youth group, you know, I was a very troubled youth, you know, I was very troubled and I would. What'd you say?

[Podcast Host]

I said here. Here?

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah. And I would go to the pastor there and tell him, I'm seeing all these ghosts, I'm seeing all these things. And I didn't get any answers. I didn't get any answers. And so now I'm 17, I'm self harming all the time. I wound up in the hospital because of self harm. My mom has an affair, my dad's drinking has increased. Like I'm catching my mom in the affair. It was just like a horrible recipe for disaster. Like nobody can hear me, nobody can see me. You know, I'm at school, I'm doing cheer, I'm doing asb, I'm the rally coordinator. And so I appear this way to everybody else, but I'm over here depressed, wanting to kill myself, self harming, experiencing demonic stuff all the time and not getting any answers. And so by the time that I was 18, I had a friend that went to like a psychic, you know, in Costa Mesa. It was like $5 palm reading. And it was like, like, honestly, even back then, before I was like a Christian, you could walk by this place and be like, ooh. It was just like that type. Like I don't like that, I don't like the way it feels. And she wanted me to go with her. So she goes in and she gets her palm read for like five or ten bucks. And it's a family of three witches. And the youngest one, I think like saw me and she was very sweet, like very gentle, really beautiful. And she was like, oh, like, do you want me to read your palm? I said, no, I don't have any money. And she said, it's just $5. And I said, okay, I have $5. And so I gave her the $5. And she reads my palm. And some of the stuff she said did come true, literally that day. But it was like a curse, you know, and because a lot of those people are speaking curses over people's lives and they're coming into agreement with it. And so one thing that she did say to me, though, is I told her that I could, like, see these spirits all the time. And she said, yeah, because you're psychic. You're psychic. You've been given this gift and you need to pursue it. And I was like, like, oh, my gosh, this is what I've been dealing with my entire life. And nobody told me who I was supposed to be. Nobody told me. And so that's when I went like, full blown into witchcraft, tarot readings, divination of any kind, obviously, crystals, sage, all that type of new age stuff. Seeing psychic mediums all the time. I began apprenticing with a medium. I began going to, like an underground psychic college in Orange County. I found an underground temple in Orange county, like I said, where you had to be a woman and to be able to go. And it was just more and more and more and deeper and deeper and farther and farther into it. But it all started with somebody speaking identity over my life, right as she said, this is who you are. And I said, oh. And I literally lit up in that moment because I was like, this isn't a bad thing. This is a good thing. And somebody sees it, and now they're telling me what to do with it, you know, and so, yeah, obviously that didn't turn out well for me, you know, but I began pursuing that. I got into. I was just in one toxic relationship after the other. And I got into a relationship when I was. I think I was 21, because I got sober at 22. Maybe I was 20, 21. And he was.

[Podcast Host]

So you're young here. So you're. You're apprenticing to be a psychic at what, 18, 19?

[Jenny Joy]

No, I think I was 20 or 21.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Jenny Joy]

Because I got sober at 22 and I got saved at 23.

[Podcast Host]

I want to take a quick break and I want to tell you about a ministry that my family personally supports. It's called Global Christian Relief. And you may not know this, but there are more persecuted Christians around the world than ever before. And Global Christian Relief sends medical aid. They send Bibles to persecuted countries that don't have access to them, they're providing shelter, they're taking care of the least of these in the name of Jesus. And if you want to support them, you can click the link in the show notes. You can read stories of what God's doing in the persecuted church. And know this. Jesus says that what you've done for the least of these, you've done for him. But also that when we love each other as a body of Christ, the rest of the world will see him. So go check it out. Okay, so you were young. So how old were you when you first start apprenticing?

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, so when that psychic spoke to me, that was at 18. And then I went on a journey for a couple years. But I think I met the woman, the medium that I was apprenticing with at like 20 or 21. And so I was going with her, you know, to like antique shops and doing. Opening portals and doing weird stuff like that. Yeah, it was weird.

[Podcast Host]

Antique shops.

[Jenny Joy]

Well, this antique shop specifically, I mean, they were just doing a bunch of witchcraft. So of course you're going to be.

[Podcast Host]

Dealing with paranormal activities. Antique shops in Costa Mesa, I'm like.

[Jenny Joy]

No, this one was in Long Beach. It was really beautiful, actually. Really expensive stuff, but a lot of weird, like, artifacts and like other gods and deities and things like that, like idols in the. And they were dealing with like, a lot of stuff there. And so she had asked me to go with her and just, you know, open portals and like move energy and do stuff like that. And so I went and it was just one of the many things, weird things that I did while I was in witchcraft.

[Podcast Host]

Did you notice anything? Like, was it legit or was it kind of like woo, woo?

[Jenny Joy]

Oh, no. I mean, I was constantly dealing with like, spirits. So I would see spirits around people and like, I still. The Lord has given me the spiritual gift of discernment. Obviously I do deliverance, so I'm able to pick up on stuff like that. But I'm not tormenting, I'm not oppressed by it. So before, I was seeing and experiencing things all the time, everywhere. It was a switch that I could never turn off. So when I got delivered, it was like, oh, I'm not tormented anymore. I'm not oppressed anymore. And like, if I'm praying for someone and God shows me like a spirit of perversion, well, now I know how to pray. You pray, command that thing to go. They manifest, even they get delivered. So it's a little bit different now. It's not like I'm seeing stuff everywhere. Where I was at that point. But I'm being told by all these psychics and these teachers and these channelers, like, oh, you need to just, like, press into that. Just press into that. So I was going to, like, channeling classes, which actually was crazy. I remember there was this teacher, it was a small group of four or five of us, and she's. It's full blown demonic possession. So she is like, I'm going to teach you guys how to channel, and I'm going to let the spirit speak through me. And then you would literally watch her eyes change. You literally would watch her eyes change. She wore glasses. She was like an older lady. And then her, like, I don't even want. She would just like. And then it would come in and speak through her. Like, it was straight up demonic possession. And then we would do this meditation. This is actually such a crazy story. I don't think about this often. So I feel like the Lord's bringing it up for a reason. Is I'm in this class. I'm obviously, like, neck deep in this type of work, but there was always a little bit of fear. There was always this tiny little, like, bit of knowing. Like, I feel like this isn't right. You know what I mean? Just like, I know you talk a lot about, like, pornography and stuff like that. It's like, you do that and, like, maybe it feels good in the moment, but there's a part of you that's like, I feel like this isn't right. I feel like this isn't good. Like, if you're getting drunk, if you're doing drugs, you're like, something's not right. And so I felt that in this room at that time. And this woman is, like, letting this demon speak through her. And then she's like, now we're gonna do this meditation. We do this meditation. And she's like, if you guys hear something, let the spirit speak through you. This girl speaks. She says something that was honestly, like, so, like, New agey. I was like, the universe says this. I'm like, okay, whatever. Like, I could make that up. You know, that's like a bumper stick. Um, but whatever. Demons say dumb things, too. And so the next girl says something, and then the next girl says something, and then it's my turn. And the whole time I could see in my mind, because I see the Lord reveals to me still to this day, like, demons, like, behind people or that people are dealing with. But I'll see it in my mind. It's not like I see, like, a Bird sitting on your shoulder. It's like I could sense it's there. You know what I'm saying? Like, see it in your mind's eye. And so I'm sitting there, and I see this man, and he looks kind of like a Native American. And he has red paint on his face and red feathers and a staff. And he's yelling at me. He's literally a demon. And I could see a pack behind him. So like 8 or 10 behind him. Because demons, whenever they enter into you, it's not one at a time. They come in in groups. They come in in packs. And so when you open the door up to any type of sin, just know it's not letting one thing in. You're letting in multiple things. And so in that moment, I could see this man, and he's like, let me speak. Let me speak. And I had dealt with spirits before, but not this aggressive.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jenny Joy]

And I was like, what the heck? I'm not gonna let this thing speak. He's like, let me speak. Let me speak. And I was like, no, I'm not gonna let him speak. I don't want to. And I started to feel, like, nervous. And the teacher that's leading the class looks at me, and she says, do you have any. Do you have anything? And I said, yes, but I don't wanna let it speak. And she said, well, he asked me to tell you to let him speak. And he has red paint and he has feathers and a staff. So she repeated what I just said, and I said no, and I didn't let him speak. The class ended, and I never went back to that channeling class, but I went to other classes there. Obviously, I was still in the stuff that I was doing, and. But in that moment, I was like, okay, something is, like, dark here. Like, there was, like, starting to become, like, an awareness of, like, this stuff is actually not all nice. And I knew because when I went to that antique shop, like, we saw, like, dark spirits. We saw dark spirits and light spirits. And I knew that some were evil. They're all evil. It was all demonstration demons. But, like, in your mind, if you see something that's, like, angry versus something that seems sweet, you're gonna be more afraid of the angry one than the one that appears sweet, even though it's still evil. You know what I'm saying? And so, yeah, it was. It was really intense. And I used to necromance. That was, like, my introduction into witchcraft is like, necromancing, talking to the dead, right? Which is talking to demons. And I would have people come to me to do, like, tarot card readings or, like, tea leaf readings, or they would say, hey, you know, I'm really missing my fiance. Like, he died three years ago. Can you talk to him? And I said, yeah, don't tell me anything about him. You know? And I would get how old he was. I would get his name, like, things like that. And that time, specifically that I got that word for that woman with her dead fiance. I was in my backyard in Southern California. I lived in, like, a really cute condo. It was my grandma's condo, and she was a Christian lady, and she moved out. And now I'm doing dang witchcraft in her house. You know what I mean? But obviously, it didn't lie last. Praise the Lord. And I was in my backyard, and I got that word. And I was sitting there, and I got this vision, and it was. This is, like, real. Okay? This is real. Real. Real is. The Bible talks about, like, a veil. Like, there's a. There's a veil between the natural world and the spiritual world, right? And so people that come out of witchcraft and, you know, Satanism and all that type of stuff, like, they seem to see more easily, like, through that veil, right? So I'm sitting there after getting this information about this man, and I see this almost, like, screen. Like, it looks like a white latex screen. So, like, stretchy. Okay, if you can picture that. And I can see faces pressing in through the other side. Like, pressing in hard, more and more, like 20, 30. And I could see them pressing, and it was, like, made of latex. So if you press hard enough through latex, you're going to tear it. And. And I could see that. And they were dark. Like, black, black. Dark as night. Darker than night. When you see demonic spirits that are black, they're, like, darker than the color black. I don't know how to explain it other than that. Just pure darkness. And I could see it like it was gonna pierce through. And I came out of that meditation, and I was like. I was like, I can't do this anymore. I can't do this anymore. And it was actually, like, six months after that point that I ended up getting saved. Yeah, it was crazy, but there was, like, so fear of the Lord began to set in before I even knew, like, what fear of the Lord was. Like, there was discernment that was happening, and there were people that were praying for me, you know, that wanted me not to be. Like, my grandma was a perfect example. Like, she'd been praying for me. My whole life. And it was like those prayers were finally, like, piercing heaven is what I feel like. Yeah. Wow. Crazy.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. That is. That is so crazy. And, you know, just based off the last few podcasts I've had, like, I've been learning this stuff too. People might think I'm crazy. I'm not asking for, like, psychics to come on the podcast and for Satanists to come on the podcast. It's like, it just keeps happening. And I think the Lord is doing something. He's wanting to educate. He's wanting to awaken.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And one. This last podcast we had with this psychic who had just come to know the Lord, like, five days prior. And then Rion was. Was there as well. They exposed her familiar spirits and basically, like, hey, listen, listen. You're not talking to the dead relatives. You're talking to demons. You're talking to familiar spirits. And so all of the. This is all a new category for me.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Like I said, like, I'm not. I'm not, like, obsessed with this stuff. I'm not, like, trying to. It's. I just think the Lord is bringing people like you and like Rion to educate the body of Christ. And I think the main thing that I come back to is you can be focused so much on that, and it's good to be educated by it. But then turn your attention to Jesus and to look to Jesus. And one thing you said earlier as a dad that was really interesting for me is you are teaching your children how to stand in authority when they have fear pop up to rebuke the fear in Jesus name. My son's been coming downstairs scared, like, probably once a week or so. Like, hey, I had this bad dream, or I had this bad picture that pop up, and I'll be like, okay, like, what was it? We'll talk about it. And what I keep saying to him is, jesus and daddy protect you. But I think what I need to start saying to him is you have authority to tell those things to leave.

[Jenny Joy]

Yes. That's what I tell my son. And obviously he's four. You know what I mean? So I need to encourage him. But I was like. I mean, it was. I think last week he had fear or something around bedtime. And I said, don't forget who you are. Have you forgotten who you are? Have you forgotten, like, who our father is? Because I said, just so you know, Rainn, there are angels all the way around our house.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Jenny Joy]

So monsters are not allowed in our house. And if they think that they can come in, you and me know what to do, and he knows what to do. I remember one time we were dealing. This was, like, a couple months ago. There was just this oppressive thing in our house. I just. I didn't know what was going on, you know, because if you watch certain shows or, like, you live around certain people, like, there can be. You can pick up on stuff. And I'm very sensitive, very discerning. So is my son. He's already, like, walking in the prophetic. Like, it's awesome. And I was just getting really annoyed and really just, like, yeah, just crunchy. And I just didn't like how I was feeling that day. And I was being really short with him, and I said, hang on. No, no, no. We need. We need to pray. You and me need to pray. We need to play some worship music. And so he knows, like, if I'm even feeling a certain way or if he's feeling a certain way, he'll say, alexa, play worship music. And so our wor. Music starts. And I was like, we're gonna pray, rain. We're gonna pray. And, you know, we just begin to thank the lord for who he is. That's one of the most powerful forms of prayer. Most powerful forms of prayer. The lord actually gave me a dream. Well, I'll touch back on that. But in this moment, we began to pray. And I said, rainn, where are. Are there any demons in our house? I just asked him. Like, he could be lying. He could be just a kid making stuff up. But I was like, I'm just gonna ask him because I knew that I had gotten, like, attacked recently. And I was like, what's going on here? And. And I was like, where. Where are they in this house? And he walks over to a mirror. This mirror was gifted to me, like, 15 years ago. And I'm very much for anointing your household, obviously, but also anointing, like, technology and anointing mirrors. I also anoint, like, faucets, you know, and that's just kind of what the holy spirit has, like, led me to do. And so he said, right here. And I said, okay, we're gonna just anoint this and command any demons to leave. And I said, anything else? And he said, yeah, there's two others in my room. And I was getting an attack in there. And so there was one in my bathroom. There was one that he saw by my window. And so we just anointed it. And, like, whether it's. Well, I knew that it was real because the lord actually gave me a dream that night. About. I'm not even a crazy person about monitoring spirits. I know people on the Internet are like, it's a monitoring spirit. And I'm like, okay, just pray that.

[Podcast Host]

Explain what that is.

[Jenny Joy]

It's just demons that monitor people.

[Podcast Host]

They watch you.

[Jenny Joy]

They watch you, and they can watch you through other people or they can just be demonic spirits that are around. You know what I'm saying? And so if somebody comes to you, you don't know them, and they're asking you all these weird personal questions, you're like, this seems like a lot of information that you want to know from me. It can be a monitoring spirit. I don't really give too much credit to that. I just don't care. The Lord will reveal it in that moment if I shouldn't talk to that person about whatever. But my son said there was one by my window. And I was like, okay, we'll just anoint it and command any demons to leave. And then that night I had a dream and the Lord showed me a monitoring spirit that was outside of my window. And it was like trying to get in. And I was just like, okay, like no witchcraft spirit. Like, when you are in the field of deliverance, you're gonna deal with stuff. You know what I'm saying? And I hadn't gotten in a habit of praying after deliverance every time. I'll pray a lot before, but afterwards stuff can linger, you know? And of course it's gonna try to come at my son. It's gonna try to come at me. Like, you see pastor's kids all the time, they're just like, this one's like partying or this one's doing drugs or whatever. And it's like the enemy's coming for the those kids big time. And so we just gotta teach em how to pray.

[Podcast Host]

And because they're targets, is that.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And same with deliverance ministry. Like the Lord told me at one point in Deliverance, because I was doing it so much, like eight deliverances a week, which is a lot. A lot. It's heavy, okay? And I do it on my own. I have like intercessors who are praying. And I was feeling more and more exhausted. I was actually dealing with a demonic attack that would happen at nighttime. Even though I would pray, I was like, why is this happening? Why is this happening? And the Lord showed me a vision and it was me in my armor. I had my armor on, but I was on a battlefield. I was on my knees and my armor was all jacked up. Like it Was like, like someone who had been in battle and needed to get a drink of water. Pretty much like, was not resting is like what he showed. Showed me. And he said, I'm trying to take the target off your back. And he showed me like a target, like a sticker. And he was peeling it off my back. And so at that point I said, okay, Lord, I hear you. So I took a break, break from Deliverance ministry for a couple months. And now I do it a little bit different. I don't do it nearly as much that many times a week. I have more intercessors. So there's a lot of things that I'm, I'm learning. But yeah, children that are part of, yeah, families that are doing really big things for the Lord, like, they can be targets. And so we need to be prayed up as parents and we need to teach them how to pray and to not come into agreement with stuff, you know.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Okay, so let's get into Deliverance. Because I've been to Deliverance once and I came in so skeptical.

[Jenny Joy]

Like my.

[Podcast Host]

The only reason I did it was because my mentor did Deliverance. And this is like the most spirit filled man of God, the sweetest man you've ever met in your life. If there's anyone that looks like Jesus on this earth, it's this man, right? And he goes to Deliverance and he like, he was telling me, he's like, dude, I had demons cast out of me. He's like, my throat is still hoarse.

[Jenny Joy]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

Because like, it was so violent how.

[Jenny Joy]

They came yelling or screaming or whatever. Yes. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And so, so I'm like, okay, I'll go check it out. And so I fast all day, I go to this Deliverance and they take me through like, you know, this questionnaire of like, you know, your bloodline and did you know, was there any freemason stuff and all that? You know, all that stuff. And so we go through all of that. We renounce everything. And I had like a demon come up and it still hasn't gotten cast out. Like, it still hasn't like come out, but it like came up and like, I like started smiling.

[Jenny Joy]

Oh, yeah. You know what that.

[Podcast Host]

That is, Jezebel?

[Jenny Joy]

Well, witchcraft is it anytime. And you don't have to like, let's say you've never participated in witchcraft of any kind, but if you've like slept with somebody who's participated in that, or there's been control manipulation in your past, or it could be generational too. I've seen People get delivered of generational stuff that is actually affecting their life.

[Podcast Host]

Generational?

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Because. Yeah, I got spunkiness in my bloodline. Yes.

[Jenny Joy]

Anytime that I'm in deliverance and someone starts, it's laughing or smiling. It's spirit of witchcraft. It's a mocking spirit. Like, you bind it immediately. But that's what that tells me.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. So people are gonna think I'm a crazy person for saying that because, like, I just had no category for it.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I wasn't trying to do it. Like, it just. Just kind of came up.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And dang, that's wild. So anyway, so that. That was my introduction.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And then now it's just been wild. Like, the last. I don't know, a little bit of this podcast. Like, I just decided to have Rion on. And when Rion came on after that po podcast, we got sick as dogs. I would never see my kids that sick.

[Jenny Joy]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

I almost started.

[Jenny Joy]

That's a retaliation of the Enemy. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, yeah. I almost started stepping on snakes everywhere.

[Jenny Joy]

Like, actual snakes.

[Podcast Host]

Like, literal snakes.

[Jenny Joy]

Come on.

[Podcast Host]

There was a freaking cotton mouth.

[Jenny Joy]

The Enemy's mad, bro.

[Podcast Host]

So mad. Like, you're doing the Lord's work. I was on the phone with a friend, and he's like, dude, I haven't heard from you in a while. And I'm like, yeah, it's been a tough month. I've been getting cooked over here. Like, cooked. Like, I'm not even naming all the stuff that. That happened. Like, a lot of stuff. And I'm like, dude, you're gonna think I'm crazy. I've been almost stepping on snakes, and right then, a big, black Texas rat snake right in front of me, and I'm like. And I jump out of the way.

[Jenny Joy]

Pick it up. Just kidding.

[Podcast Host]

Three minutes later. Three minutes later, I almost step on.

[Jenny Joy]

Another snake that is so on the same call.

[Podcast Host]

And so what I did is I'm like, we're not doing this. So I. I started calling every prayer warrior. I knew my first rodeo with this stuff. You know, the Lord's throwing me in right now. Like, it's like, yeah, I can't have a podcast talk about witchcraft right now. It's like, crazy. I'm not trying to do this.

[Jenny Joy]

It's like, what the Lord does. He just is like, yeah. He's not. Like, baby steps. He's like, I'm gonna toss you in, and totally, you're gonna learn how to swim, bro.

[Podcast Host]

So I. I just start getting everyone praying, and then we decided to have Rion back On.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And everyone's like, like, literally people are advising against it. They're like, don't do it, don't do it. And I'm like, no, we're standing on authority. We're fighting from victory.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Like, we're not. I'm not messing with any of that fear.

[Jenny Joy]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

So we have him back on. I'm prayed up, I'm armed up. I got all my prayer people around me and we. And nothing. It was chill, smooth sailing. And so every time we need to pray after this, after this podcast, did.

[Jenny Joy]

You have people praying the first time, like, before you met with him?

[Podcast Host]

No.

[Jenny Joy]

Okay. Yeah. So that's something that I learned in deliverance ministry. And I learned it the hard way too. Like, you is that when you have a ministry, especially just period, but especially when you're going into things like this, you need to. Need to have a covering.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Jenny Joy]

So obviously I'm part of a church. I have a pastoral covering. But then I have intercessors, like actual, not just random people that are like, oh, can you say a quick prayer? Like, these people are intercessors. They hear from the Lord. You know what I mean? They. I believe when they say, I'm praying for you, they're actually praying for you, you know? And so, because the Lord, the way that my whole ministry started was through TikTok Live. Literally, the Lord told me I used to make videos. I've always, like, back in MySpace days, like, I've always done stuff like that and love to. And the Lord told me, he said, I want you to teach about deliverance on TikTok Live. And I was like, I have 200, like 30 followers. I was like, I was like, okay, I will do that once I get 3,000 followers. And he said, bet. And then he told me to make a quick video. It was like a one minute long video that my first real Christian video went viral.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, let's go.

[Jenny Joy]

And in one day, I got 3,000 followers. And I was like, dang it, Lauren, I gotta go on TikTok live tonight, you know? And so I started going on TikTok Live Live, teaching about this stuff. But I'm sharing this. All this to say is like, then I was dealing with like, weird stuff, just like crazy exhaustion, like, just exhausted or like I would be teaching about, like witchcraft, getting out of it, like exposing it. And then I'd be on the call or on the tick tock live, and all of a sudden get super confused and feel really out of it and be like, I'm gonna Get off now. Like, it was all of a sudden, there were, like, witches in the chat or whatever. And after that, I reached out to my deliverance minister, and they were like, well, do you have, like, a covering? And I said, well, I just text people sometimes to pray, and they're like, no, you need intercessors, dude. So that's what you learned, too.

[Podcast Host]

That's.

[Jenny Joy]

I.

[Podcast Host]

And I. It was like getting thrown to the wolves.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Like, you learn fast that you need prayer. And it's actually been such a faith builder for me.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Like, even. Even today, like, I. I posted a video a few days ago about the shooting.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, I saw that one.

[Podcast Host]

You saw that one. Okay, so I don't want to share too much, but I have had members of my family that have, like, left relationship because of it and because of that video. Yeah. And I have. So it's been really hard. And then, dude, even, like in the comments, like, celebrities, like, big celebrities, like, just, you're a hateful, like, crazy. Manifesting crazy hate, hate over that. And I. So, like, I. I was texting with my parents and my dad. She's so beautiful. He was like, well, the gospel. Jesus told us the gospel would divide families.

[Jenny Joy]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

And I'm like, Katie and I were.

[Jenny Joy]

Just talking about that on the drive here. She literally was just speaking about that, because my friend Katie, who drove me here, she speaks and was pastoring at a ministry school for a while, and she was talking to. To, you know, a leader in her life. And she said, if you are the way that, you know, that you're speaking, the true gospel is that you are dividing rooms.

[Podcast Host]

Totally. I was like, dang, totally. Yeah. And I, I. Yeah, it's because the gospel divides.

[Jenny Joy]

Like, they wanted to kill Jesus, obviously. He was, you know, crucified. But, like, before that, as soon as.

[Podcast Host]

My dad texted me that, I felt peace.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

But then just kind of. Just kind of feeling slimed, you know? Like, I'm sure you felt that you just like, ah, you just get slimed by. By people. Like, people's hate.

[Jenny Joy]

Bless them, Lord. Bless them.

[Podcast Host]

Right. And. And this morning, I'm just like, I need some firepower. And so I called Asia Brown. Shout out to Asia Brown.

[Jenny Joy]

She.

[Podcast Host]

She's been on the podcast. She was the former mayor of Compton. She was the first episode of the Jesus People.

[Jenny Joy]

Whoa.

[Podcast Host]

If you haven't listened to Mayor Brown.

[Jenny Joy]

Episode, it's, oh, I will.

[Podcast Host]

Dude. I have never experienced authority like this in my life from anybody.

[Jenny Joy]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

And I mean, she. She dropped the unemployment rate in Compton from, like, she became mayor at 29 because the Holy Spirit, she hears audibly. The Holy Spirit audibly told her, go run for mayor.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

He said, don't put your name on any of the signs. It's like, well, how would anyone know who to vote for? She's put vision for Compton. She becomes mayor, and then she, like, the Lord starts giving her the blueprints. She brings all the gang leaders in prison. She goes and visits them, brings all the gang leaders together to sit in a circle in a room and. And they sign a peace treaty. They all start, like, crying. Like, we were friends in middle school. They signed a peace treaty. All of a sudden, like, Target and Walmart and other people. I forget exactly what stores it was. There's a food desert in Compton, so now that there's peace, it goes down to one homicide for the whole year. Gang related in Compton. And so now all the stores, like, they catch wind of that, and they're like, ooh, there's a market opportunity here. So they bring in. They bring in, like, their stores into Compton and. And so. And it was every, like, full downloads from the Holy Spirit the whole way. Anyway, I'm like, I need a big dog here. So I call up Asia and. And we pray this morning. And I'm like, whew, I'm clean. And I don't think people recognize that. Certain people just. They've got different levels of firepower.

[Jenny Joy]

Well, it's that authority. They understand their authority.

[Podcast Host]

They understand authority.

[Jenny Joy]

And you see so many. I. I mean, I see so many people in the work that I do, even on social media, but just, like, they actually don't know their authority. Oh, can you pray for me? Cause you hear from God, I mean, yeah, I'll pray for you, bro. You need to get in your prayer closet. Like, I know that there's anointings on certain people's lives, but it comes from spending time with the Lord and surrendering things, and every single human on earth can have that. Every single person can. I mean, I've even heard, you know, Kathryn Coleman. You know who that is? Just, she's like a healer. Evangelist. Yeah. Yeah. No, she's not alive anymore. Not the one that you're thinking of.

[Podcast Host]

She's coming on the podcast on Tuesday.

[Jenny Joy]

Katherine Crick. Crick. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jenny Joy]

So this is Katherine Coleman. Look her up. But, man, I totally forgot what I was gonna say about her. Dang it.

[Podcast Host]

She was saying something cool.

[Jenny Joy]

It sounds like, oh, Kathryn Coleman's anointing was really, really powerful. Like, that's where Benny Hinn got anointed, was in one of her, like, prayer meetings. And the Lord told her that this anointing was actually for somebody else, but they would not surrender. And so he gave it to her and she humbled herself and received it. Because anointings are like, it's hard to receive them because you have to surrender so much. Like, the disciples. My church is talking, is doing this, like, live out of a suitcase challenge right now. Or whatever. Just, like, live simply. Like, the disciples lived so simply. You know what I mean? Like, are we willing to actually die to ourselves? Like, are we actually what needs to die in my life? Like, last week I was just praying. I used to pray this a lot more than I do now. But, like, like, whatever. Doesn't look like you, Lord. Like, gutted out of me. Like, I don't. I do not freaking care how bad it hurts or, like, what it does. Like, get it out. Like, if it does not look like you, burn it out of me. Cut it out of me. Like, I don't care, you know? Like, I don't want to, like, selfish ambition. I don't want my fear to rule my life. Like, I don't want any of these other things that don't look like you that are actually hindering the gospel and hindering freedom and other. Other people's lives. So I'm going to talk about trauma that makes people uncomfortable. I'm going to talk about demonology that makes people uncomfortable because they probably have demons that they need deliverance. Like, I'm going to talk about sex and love addiction because the church is not talking about what's okay in a marriage or what you should. And, like, you know what I mean? Like, is masturbation okay? No, it's not. And like, talking about that and, like, candidly talking about it. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, and yeah. Which.

[Podcast Host]

Which is. It sounds crazy, but this is. This needs to be talked about. I saw a video of Dennis Brad Prager, who's one of the leading conservative voices in the world. He's not a believer. Talking about how AI porn. There's nothing wrong with it because you're not actually hurting anybody.

[Jenny Joy]

Oh, Lord have mercy. I know that we use it as, like, a search engine, and I'll go check it on it every once in a while to figure something out. But I don't really use it very much, personally. I just don't. And I know that people do, but people that I have spoken with and met with are actually building relationships with something on ChatGPT that is not a person. And then they are inviting. They're. I'm like, I don't know if I want you to air this. You might not, but we'll see. There's something called a spirit spouse. This is a demon. Okay? Have you heard of this before? Okay, so. And it comes in to destroy marriages. It is the number one destroyer of marriages, period. But especially in the church, okay? It keeps sex out of marriage. It keeps perversion in marriage. It causes infidelity. Of course, people have their. Their wills, okay? But if a demon is constantly, like, talking to you, harassing you, some people fold. You know what I'm saying? And there have been people that have come to me who do not have fulfilling marriages, have built a relationship with something like a frequency or whatever on chat GPT, have fallen in love with chat gbt, and are now having actual sexual encounters with a demon. Like, that's very real. Real.

[Podcast Host]

I just saw it in the news the other day. Oh, yeah, this. This dude has a wife in real life, and then he has his chat.

[Jenny Joy]

GTP wife, but they're, like, having sex with it. How so? So one of the main signs of a spirit spouse, like Genesis 6, we see, like, the fallen, you know, angels would, like, have sex with people. That's still happening today to people, okay? And so. And I see it a lot in deliverance. I've personally experienced it. I've been delivered of this, you know, and it is like, people that, you know, maybe there's a lot of sexual sin in their life or maybe not, but they have constant sexual dreams. They wake up to themselves, climaxing. Men or women, they have a lot of dreams about marriage, things like that. They are usually bonded to a demon in the spirit. Okay? So they are married to a demon. It is out to destroy marriage because the enemy hates covenants. You know what I'm saying? And so when people fall so deeply into this demonic, weird relationship, they can even have, like, sexual encounters with it. Does this make sense to you?

[Podcast Host]

I know it's kind of like a wet dream.

[Jenny Joy]

Well, that happens in the dream, but they can experience this not dreaming as well.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Jenny Joy]

So I.

[Podcast Host]

And you're seeing this happen through AI right now?

[Jenny Joy]

Yes. And I told, you know, I've told these people, but I said, you need to stop. You are literally allowing a demon into your home, but they're falling in love with an actual demon. It's disgusting and it's awful, but it's like, coming in through the entry point of ChatGPT. I'm not saying that ChatGPT is like completely demonic, but I'm saying it's opening up a door to something for people and it's very, very, very weird. And it's not the Lord, you know. So a lot of people that deal with. Yeah, People get demonically sexually attacked. That is a spirit spouse. You've heard the term incubus or succubus spirit. Yeah. So it's the same thing. But a spirit spouse is when you are married to an actual demon in the spirit. So, for example, shamans, which are like the highest level of like psychics, when there's like, there's like levels of it, right? There's like empaths or whatever, intuitives, you know, mediums, clairvoyance. There's the shaman. And shamans actually seek out a spirit spouse because when they become married to a demon and in the spirit, it increases their psychic powers. Why? Because they're allowing more demons to enter into them. Right. Because psychic powers are not from the Lord. It's demonic. They're occult giftings. You see what I'm saying? And so now this is happening with people and their marriages just like. Yeah. So it can come in through sexual sin, it can come through witchcraft, and it can come in generationally. Yeah. So it's really intense, dude.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jenny Joy]

But I see people get delivered of it, you know, and it's a strong man's spirit. And the Bible says to bind the strong man. So it's not like, like, like if I'm praying for you and you have like a spirit of anger, like, yeah, it might manifest. You might growl or something. Cast it out in Jesus name. A spirit spouse is going to put up a bigger fight. Like, picture on the level of like Jezebel or Leviathan or like Legion, things like that. A spirit spouse is kind of in that category.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Dang.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah. So these men that come to me, because I work with both men and women come to me with these like, sexual issues or they're not having sex with their wives, or these wives are. Are not having sex with their husbands. I'm like, okay, well, are you having sexual dreams? Do you struggle with masturbation? Are you having a lot of like, wet dreams? Like, what's happening here? And if they say yes to all of these things and they're like, oh, I always have this dream about this man. And I'm like, it is a demon. You need to break agreements with this spirit. We need to break soul ties with this demon. And then we need to command it to go in Jesus name. You need to fast, you need to pray, et cetera.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So how would you. How would you break it? I want to get into deliverance.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah. Yep.

[Podcast Host]

And. And kind of describing what that is, what your.

[Jenny Joy]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

What your job or your ministry looks like. But how do you go about breaking something like that? You mentioned fasting and praying.

[Jenny Joy]

Well, yeah, because the Bible says, you know, some demons only come out through prayer and fasting. So some people, like you said with your. When you sought out deliverance, you fasted for that day. So some people will come to me three days fasted or just a day fasted, or we'll pray. And there needs to be more work done. They need to fast. And so, yeah, deliverance is just. I usually the Holy Spirit kind of reveals in the session. I kind of call it prophetic deliverance. Like, what needs to be God after first? Because, like, you could come to me with, like, a laundry list of issues and I could be like, oh, we need to go after this.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jenny Joy]

And so the way that I do deliverance is, you know, I check in with the person we worship for 10 minutes at the beginning of every single deliverance we worship, and I'm praying in tongues the whole time, which is biblical. And then I begin to pray, and the first thing I always do is declare who goes. God is. Thank you, that you are the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, the alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the author and the finisher of our faith. Demons hate when they hear who God is and when you actually believe who he is, like, that is more. That can cause a demon to manifest. If you're just like, thank you, Jesus, that you are the Prince of Peace. Like, because you're saying truth. And they cannot. Like, they hate it. They hate it. You know what I'm saying? And so I begin to pray for the person. And then, you know, just a quick prayer, and I'll ask them, like, how were you feeling during worship? Or, like, what was going on on the last couple days? And they were like, yeah. All I could think about in worship was that, like, it's not going to work. Like, who are you? Like, who are you to do this? That's the spirit of doubt. That's a blocking spirit. That's a demon right there. Okay. Or like, they're like, yeah, I'm just shaking. Like, I'm so nervous. Okay, so there's a spirit of fear there. Or like, I just kept getting these really weird sexual images. Okay. There's a spirit of lust or perversion there, you know. And so depending on the person and what they're going through, I will go after maybe forgiveness first or like confessions of witchcraft first. And obviously repentance of sin or breaking generational curses, breaking soul ties. And so I only do two hour sessions. People have a lot of stuff, you know, they usually need multiple sessions when you go after everything, you know. But also, I had just posted a video about this man and I'm doing 75 hard. And so I posted it on my social media. So I have a chat for people that are part of the 75 hard. And the Lord gave me me a word and I shared it with the chat. It's only like 30 people in there.

[Podcast Host]

75 hours of diet.

[Jenny Joy]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

And a workout.

[Jenny Joy]

A workout, yes. Yeah. But it's also, there's discipline that's being built, you know what I mean? And so I have this chat and the Lord gave me a word for every person in the chat that people would experience deliverance in this group. And I was like, I don't know, I'm just going to be obedient with this whole prophetic word the Lord gave me and just send it in. And one of the men in that chat, he decided to meet with me. Me. He's dealing with like some, you know, issues. Had a porn addiction for a long time, is trying to do everything in his strength. Like, you can't white knuckle through stuff. Like that's the Holy Spirit is not involved when you're white knuckling, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're doing it in your own strength. And you know, and I know because we both have probably tried to do that with different things in our life. And so he comes to me, he shares me, all the stuff that's going on, you know, in his marriage, third marriage, same issues, you know, And I was like, okay, well, right now you're the man of the house, but you've been living in sin, so you are living in a house that doesn't have a roof because you are the covering. You're the covering right now. And so because you're living in sin, there's no roof. Arrows can come in, grenades can come over the walls, and you're allowing your daughter and your wife to be just harassed by demons. Not saying that they don't have their own issues, but you are the covering. That's what the Bible says, that you have the authority. 40. You know what I mean?

[Podcast Host]

Christian husbands.

[Jenny Joy]

Yes. Oh, I talk about like, the Bible talks about different layers of spiritual Protection, the armor of God. Right. Being part of the body of Christ. You have that pastoral covering. Okay. Being married to a Christian man, there's that covering as well. And so if the man is in sin, there's no roof on the house.

[Podcast Host]

And that, that is deeply biblical. The word for when the Bible says that the husband is the head of the household, the word is capella, which literally means roof range.

[Jenny Joy]

Roof.

[Podcast Host]

It's a dome. So it's a, it's the, it's the place of prominence of the house, which is a dome that covers the roof.

[Jenny Joy]

I did not know that because when I was in the session with this man, it wasn't a deliverance session, it was just a coaching call that those words flew out of my mouth and I was like, I actually didn't even know that. Like, because you know, when the Holy Spirit speaks through you, you're like, dang, that was good. Because that wasn't my wisdom. That didn't come from deep in here. That was straight from heaven, you know.

[Podcast Host]

And so you imagine a house with an no roof, with no capella. The flaming arrows of the enemy can come in and attack your family.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So if you're not providing that covering, I think so many Christian husbands think that they just need to provide financially. No, it's like, no, no, no. If, if you're operating in fear and if you're operating out of your woundedness and you can't attune to your wife and attune to your children and you can't cover this spiritually, if you're not praying over your house, if you're not anointing your home, if you're not like tuning in, attuning to your wife and making her a well watered vine like the Bible talks about and praying with your children and feeding them scripture, then guess what? Like there's going to be attack on your home and it's on you. Yes. You are the leader.

[Jenny Joy]

Women in the Bible, their prayers aren't hindered. But it says a man's prayers, a husband's prayers can be hindered.

[Podcast Host]

Yes. You know, if he's being brutal towards his wife.

[Jenny Joy]

Yep.

[Podcast Host]

Isn't that why wild?

[Jenny Joy]

I mean, it is, but I love the Lord. Like he's just so. His setup is the best setup, you know what I'm saying? So I'm meeting with this guy, I tell him this word and he follows me on social media. I talk about like demonology quite a bit and he likes those videos, but he's like, yeah, I just, I just feel like Some of the stuff is kind of woo woo. And it's like, that's what I get from people who just don't understand. They just don't know, you know what I'm saying? Or they haven't.

[Podcast Host]

Dude, I would have told you you were freaking crazy two years ago.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I would have been like, wow, this is wild. But now that, that I've, I've seen it with my own eyes now I'm like, ah. Like people who say Christians can't have a demon now I'm like, you've, you've clearly never been around deliverance ministry.

[Jenny Joy]

Every single person that comes to me, I've only had one non Christian come to me for deliverance and the Lord let me do that with her. Yeah, but all the other people that come to me for deliverance are Christians.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Jenny Joy]

And half of them are Holy Spirit filled Christians walking in right now. Righteousness.

[Podcast Host]

Oh man. I, the, some of the most spirit filled people I know go to deliverance and they have demons cast out of them.

[Jenny Joy]

Oh, and I, I'm all for, I do quarterly checkups. Like I personally do quarterly checkups because if I come into agreement with a spirit of religion or a spirit of fear, a spirit of control, I don't want that. I don't want that. Lord, reveal it, expose it, like, get it out of me. You know what I'm saying?

[Podcast Host]

It's crazy how we have these theologies that are so not biblical. You can't find that anywhere that he was casting out demons of just unbelief believers. No, it's nowhere. But like we, we, we come up with these silly things that, well, I found the temple of the Holy Spirit. Then how can a demon live in me? How would you answer that? If we're temples of the Holy Spirit, how can demons live in us?

[Jenny Joy]

Well, first I want to say is that number one, if you're believing that and you're spreading that lie, it's doing a huge disservice to the body of Christ and you need to repent. So if people are listening and that's what you believe, you need to go to the Lord and you need to repent because that keeps people in bonds. I had a grandma who was Christian. I was baptized at the age of nine, obviously introduced to witchcraft at seven and was doing full blown witchcraft. I completely thought that I was, would go to heaven. If I died at 19, 20, 21, I believe I would have gone to hell now. But back then I thought, well, I got baptized when I was nine and like I Believe that Jesus is like a God, so I could go to heaven, you know what I'm saying? And I would go to, like, psychics. And I remember one, he was a warlock. And I asked him, him, I said, do you have a lot of Christians that come to you? I would ask every psych that I ever met. I said, do you believe in God? I would ask every single one. And I asked him. He said, oh, yeah, Christians come to me all the time. And in my mind, I remember sitting in his room in that moment. This man did, like, Santeria, like voodoo. Like, there's weird stuff. It's like dark, dark magic, the stuff that he operated in. Okay, I had curses, like, I got delivered of curses connected to this man. And I remember sitting there in his room, just kind of looking at these different objects and things, thinking, oh, well, I believe in Jesus, so it doesn't matter, like, what I do. I'm not gonna get demons. When in reality, like my testimonies, I got delivered from over a thousand demons. So it did not matter if I believed that Jesus was God or a God or that I actually. Because I did believe that. Oh, yeah, I think that man died on the cross. I did think that. I did think that. You know what I mean? I did believe like that. He died and rose again. But I wasn't a Christian. I wasn't living for the Lord. I was worshiping all these other guards, Christians, Buddha, you know, all these other things. And so when Christians say that a Christian cannot have a demon, first of all, explain mental illness and explain living in habitual sin, like, period. You know, that's kind of how I feel about that. But we are mind, body and spirit. So when you come to the Lord, you accept Jesus, you get baptized in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit fills your spirit, Then there's still the mind and the body. Demons can attach to those things. When I got baptized, my baptism story, my coming to Jesus story is crazy. Like, I was a witch at a Christian nonprofit, and I got, like, radically saved. Like, I didn't know that it was a Christian nonprofit. And that's a whole nother testimony. But when I got baptized, fully gave my life to Jesus, things got worse. Things got worse. I had PTSD symptoms. They shot through the roof. I was waking up to things licking my face, like, demonic. I was at a Christian nonprofit, sharing a room with five or six other Christian girls. And after I got baptized, the doors opening and closing, like, demonic stuff is happening. I needed deliverance, you know what I'm saying? And so, like, you said, nowhere in the Bible does it say that a Christian cannot have a demon. And then people want to use that scripture. I think it's out of 1 Corinthians that, like, light cannot dwell with darkness or something like that. And it's like, okay, you're reading that out of context because that's a believer being yoked with an unbeliever in marriage. So that doesn't even apply to what you're saying, you know? And so. So, yeah, I mean, I got delivered of mental illness. There were still some things that I had to deal with. There was still some, like, trauma stuff, but I had chronic flashbacks, I had chronic nightmares. I had did, meaning that, like, another personality would come forward and Jenny would leave the building. And that was a trauma diagnosis. When I got delivered, that went away. It's not there anymore. When I got delivered, bipolar 1 disorder. I had manic episodes, depressive episodes, was on mood stabilizers, antipsychotic, psychotics, went away. It's not on my brain scan. I've not had a manic episode since. That's been seven years. And I was like, rapid cycling, meaning I would have it multiple times a year, end up in psych wards, jail, detoxes, rehab. Like, it was a mess. And I got fully delivered. And so, yeah, it's just a lie from the pit of hell when they say, like, a Christian cannot have demons. So the man that I was coaching that I was talking about, where there's like, no roof over the house. And so when I was talking to him, because like I said, he's porn addiction and things like that, and he's part of like a celebrate recovery group. But he was telling me, he's like, yeah, but it's just like, it's really hard. I try not to have lust. And I said, you're trying not to have lust. It's a spirit. And he was like. And like I said, he wasn't into all this stuff. And he's like, I don't know about this woo woo stuff. I was like, it's a spirit. And we were discussing it, and he said, yeah, we'll just come at random. And I said, okay. And I said, are there places in your house where you fall into this sin? And he said, yes. And I said, when we get off this coaching call, this wasn't even a deliverance. I said, when we get off this call, you need to go as the man of the house, okay, and anoint your home first of all. But go to all those areas of sin and say, I Dedicate this laptop to the Holy Spirit. I dedicate this chair to the Holy Spirit. I dedicate this bed to the Holy Spirit. And him and his wife, you know, have not been intimate. They don't wear their wedding rings. It's just like there's no connection or anything like that. And he was like, okay, okay, I'll do it. And he was really willing, very humble, like desperate for change, but just not sure how to get there. You know what I'm saying? And so this isn't like rocket science. This is like what I tell people to do all the time. And so he goes and he does that, and then he books a coaching call with me two weeks later. And he was like, so something really crazy happened. I said, okay, like, tell me. He's like, well, I did what you said. I anointed the house and prayed. He said, I was crying the whole time. I was like, okay, so the Holy Spirit's there, you know, And I. I mean, he's crying the whole time. And then he says, I haven't had a desire to watch porn since, like. And I told the buddies in my celebrate recovery group, like, because the desire will come up. He said, things have popped up on my phone and I'm just like, yuck, we'll just scroll past it. And he said that his wife, they've been married 10 years, and she's like, pretty avoidant, like, doesn't like physical touch or whatever. And he was dealing with some, like, physical stuff. He has some health problems and he was dealing with that over the weekend and he didn't feel good. And she put her hand on his leg. She's never done that in their entire marriage, 10 year marriage. And she did that three times. One night, this is after days after he anoints his home and takes authority over his household. I even told him, I said, anoint your marriage bed and dedicate it to the Holy Spirit and say, this is a place for love and unity and anything else cannot stay in Jesus name. And so he does that. That happens. He doesn't have the lust anymore. And then he puts his wedding ring back on, and he takes his wife's wedding ring and puts it back on her and they've been wearing it ever since.

[Podcast Host]

Amen.

[Jenny Joy]

So you could look at that and be like, okay, like, whatever. No, literally, the Lord is moving. The Lord is moving. Then I got on that other call with him and he's describing, like, bitterness. And I said, okay, so. And it's a spirit. In his case, it was a spirit. And so we began to pray. I walk him through forgiveness, and I see this with men more than I see it with women, okay? And so when I walk people through forgiveness, because unforgiveness is an open door to the demonic, right? Like it just is. You will be oppressed if you're choosing to stay in unforgiveness. And that's on science. You can see there's like actual science of people's physical bodies who are in unforgiveness, that they are more sick, that they're dealing with more depression, all that. So you could look that up if you want. But I walk him through this forgiveness prayer, and he's forgiving these people, like, easily. And I said, okay. I said, now I need you to forgive yourself. Because, mind you, he's had three marriages. There's been lots of problems, issues with kids, you know. And he said, I can't do that. And I said, you can't do that or that demon can't do that? Because I think that you can do that. Because I've seen this with men, specifically, where they will forgive a laundry list of people, but then they will not forgive themselves for the harm they've done to themselves, their family, other people. And so he's like, well, can you explain it to me? I was like, yeah, you're just saying, I forgive myself. You're choosing to hold self accusation against your yourself. Fear, shame, guilt, condemnation. That's not the Lord's will. That's the enemy speaking in your mind. Do you understand? So you're coming out of agreement with that by forgiving yourself. And he was like, we had to have a conversation about it because he really didn't. He couldn't grasp it. And I was like, okay, just say it. Because it's an act of God's will. When you forgive, you don't have to feel anything.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Jenny Joy]

You don't have to feel emotion. No, exactly. So when you forgive. This is the picture that the Lord gave me about unforgiveness. And it's so important, is a heart and unforgiveness. If you picture a human fleshy heart and it has all these fish hooks in it with fishing line, pulling it in different. Ow. Like, that would hurt. Like, even picturing that, that's like brutal. You know what I'm saying? And so when you forgive, the Lord's not necessarily helping you forgive your. It's an act of God's will. So you're saying, I'm going to take these fish hooks out of my heart. What's Left wounds, infection. The Holy Spirit comes in, he heals the bitterness. The Holy Spirit comes in, he heals the anger, the grief, the loneliness, the confusion, betrayal, whatever it is. And so I explained that to him in this moment, and he says, okay, so he forgives himself and then he begins to manifest a demon. So that demon wasn't manifesting until he forgave himself, because that was the legal right of the enemy in his life, as he held harbored unforgiveness towards himself. Well, I'm just a piece of crap. Well, I've just made this mistake. Well, I just. If I could just do better. If I could just be better, blah, blah, blah. Just self hatred.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jenny Joy]

It's also spirit of rejection. Rejection, self hatred, self punishment. Like, it all falls under a spirit of rejection. So he's been rejecting himself, his wife's rejecting. Like there's just so many factors involved. Anyways, just a lot of freedom when you actually forgive. That was one of the first demons that was cast out of me. I had no clue. I had no clue.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. My wife had a crazy Holy Spirit encounter. This was shortly after we gave birth to our first son. I've never seen. It was a special week. It was like the Lord gave us in partition or gave her specifically an impartation where she was prophesying, she was healing.

[Jenny Joy]

She would just.

[Podcast Host]

She would just be like, hey, your. Your buddy's. Your buddy's dealing with a pornography addiction. Yeah, we need to have him over and we need to pray over him.

[Jenny Joy]

Come on. Come on.

[Podcast Host]

She even called out someone else. She's like, this person is struggling with suicidal thoughts. And I'm like, no, they're not. Like, what are you talking about? And sure enough, call calls her up.

[Jenny Joy]

Yep.

[Podcast Host]

And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. And the first thing that happened was she couldn't sleep one night, and she just kept crying out to the Lord and something broke. And then the first thing she said is, there was this person in our life that had been really hurtful to us.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And the first thing is she's just like, I forgive her. And she, like, had forgiveness. And then boom. The Holy Spirit fell, dude. In a really significant way that I've never seen to this this day.

[Jenny Joy]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

And it was like all fear was stripped from her.

[Jenny Joy]

Come on.

[Podcast Host]

And. And she had battled anxiety for so long because she was being oppressed by.

[Jenny Joy]

A spirit of fear through the open door of unforgiveness. Whatever.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, whatever.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

But all I know is forgiveness broke the back of that thing. And and it was like freedom came rushing in. And you're right. I think people don't realize how much of an oppressive thing unforgiveness is it. It's. I mean, and. And people are like, well, I just don't know that I'm ready. I don't know that they're ready to receive my forgiveness. Like, hey, guys, this is not like a negotiation.

[Jenny Joy]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

This is a decision. This is obedience to forgive.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So let's talk about fear for a bit. Because I think so many people might be listening to this and they might be like, you know, all this. All this demon talk freaks me out.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You know, and what I've learned, I.

[Jenny Joy]

Mean, I get it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I get it too. But I've kind of. Now that, that I've kind of talked about it enough and like been around enough people, everyone says the same thing. They're just like, yeah, we just don't. We just don't move in fear. We just like slap that fear out of the way.

[Jenny Joy]

Yep. Yeah, it is definitely a choice. But if you've been oppressed by it for a long time or it's a familiar spirit to you, it's gonna feel comfort. Comforting or comfortable to a degree. Like people, what I see in Deliverance a lot of the time is people actually befriending their demons. So people not. Not getting free because they're like, this is just who I am. I've just always been, like, afraid of so many things. I've just always been angry. Do you want to stay in that or do you want to be free? And so like, for me, I'm a seven times sexual assault survivor. Just that alone makes sense that a spirit of fear would be over my life.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Jenny Joy]

That I would be afraid to go here, be afraid to talk to this person. I'd be afraid to do this, be afraid to have any type of free friendship relationship whatsoever. You know what I mean? And that I struggled with that. Getting into the church, like a major spirit of rejection was like trying to get me to not be a part of my church. Because it was like, you don't fit in here, whatever, you know what I'm saying? And that comes from trauma as well. And so a spirit of fear is like, I had the diagnosis complex ptsd. Right. And so I got delivered of a spirit of fear. And so there were symptoms connected to PTSD that went away. There were still things that I needed to work on mind renewal wise, where I need to just like move through some of that stuff. Okay. Because like, you can get delivered of a demon. But there still needs to be mind renewal there for sure, you know what I'm saying? I think a lot of people want to come to Deliverance as like a quick fix. And it's like, no, dude, if you're not going to make the efforts to put your phone away, you know, at 6pm when not 7pm is when you watch porn every night, like, it's not gonna get better, you know what I'm saying? Like, that spirit's gonna try to come back and it's gonna come at an opportune time and you need to be alert, you need to be aware. And so you need to set things up so your life is transformed, you know what I'm saying? Like, even with Alcoholics Anonymous and like 12 step programs, like, because I'm sober almost 12 years now, so drug and alcohol addiction. Thank you. That's all the Lord, that's. It's crazy how it all happened. But you don't, you don't break a habit habit, you change a habit. And so instead of going to the bar at 5pm every day, I would go to a 12 step meeting. When I wake up and I want to drink or I want to use, well, it's 7 in the morning. I'm trying not to do that. So I'm going to call my sponsor, call my mentor, you know what I mean? 12 step programs, I know they're secular, a lot of them, but it's like you go into prayer, like you build a relationship with a higher power. I was in witchcraft in my first year sobriety, a year and a half in I came to Jesus. I see a lot of people in 12 step programs come to Jesus because they are actually seeking God. They are actually seeking and then Jesus finds them. So I'm not trying to go off on a tangent there because I know talking about a spirit of fear is important, but yeah, a spirit of fear came into my life. Honestly, I don't even know. I would say three or before because that's when the abuse started, you know, And I was taking care of my alcoholic dad at the age of three. At the age of eight, there was a lot of fear. I always thought he was going to be dead when I found him. Like there was fear, fear, fear, fear, fear. And I just thought, this is who I am. But then I would live this high risk lifestyle that looked like I wasn't in fear, like I shared earlier. But I'm actually riddled with fear. But it was like this counterfeit thing that I'm Presenting to you. So you don't think I'm afraid, but deep down, I'm actually terrified, you know? And so when I got delivered. Excuse me, when I got delivered, they were casting out so many things. I didn't sign up for a deliverance appointment. It just happened when I walked into a church. Like, the Lord set it up. And then I went through many after that. And so a spirit of fear was cast out of me, actually, multiple times. Multiple times. And what the Lord has shown me is that there can actually be multiple spirits of fear. So last night before this podcast, I woke up in the middle of night to use the bathroom and I went back to sleep, and the Lord was giving me, like, scripture on, like, fear. And I fell asleep and I had one dream. And in the dream, I was like, preaching the gospel to, like, a room full of people. And one of the people came up and said, I'm afraid. I'm afraid there's fear at my door. It's right there. Like, he was, like, terrified. I said, no. I said, you have a spirit of fear, and this is how you get free. And so I believe that's what the Lord wants me to, like, mention now, because why would he give me that dream when I'm like, lord, what should I talk about on the podcast? Fall asleep. And he's like, boom, this. You know what I'm saying? And so, so much of the world, not even just America, but so much of the world is oppressed by a spirit of fear. And they are calling it, you know, generalized anxiety disorder. They are calling it ptsd. I'm not negating that. These things are real, okay? And there's lots of components to them, period. Like, I have a whole mental health.

[Podcast Host]

History too, you know, we're not calling everything a demon.

[Jenny Joy]

Ye. You know what I'm saying? And so with a spirit of fear, specifically, what you do is you, like, if you're listening to this or watching this and you're dealing with fear, get out a piece of paper and you write down, like, a list of fears. So let's say I'm afraid of men, I'm afraid of public speaking. I'm afraid of spiders. I'm afraid of traveling alone, whatever it is. You're writing down all of your fears, okay? And then you're saying, I repent for having this fear. I repent for having this fear. Because the Bible commands us well over 300 times to not fear. That's a command. You understand? Like, he's telling us not to do that. Like, he's Telling us for a reason, because it opens up a door. Like the Lord tells us things because he loves us and he wants to protect us. He wants us to live our best life for him, you know what I'm saying? And so you repent for the fear. And then you say I come out of agreement with that. So if I've been abused, I'm afraid of men, Lord, it makes sense. I'm not saying it doesn't make sense, but Lord, I've had a fear of men, God, I repent for having fear of men. And I come out of agreement with that spirit of fear. And right now, in Jesus name, I command every spirit of fear to leave me in Jesus name. Because you can do self deliverance. Self deliverance is for minor deliverance. You need help if you got major stuff going on, you know. But yeah, a spirit of fear, you take authority over it, you have to repent and then you break agreement with it. And then after that you ask the Holy Spirit to fill you. That doesn't mean that in two weeks and something happens, you're not going to feel afraid. It's. I'm not coming into agreement with that thing. When I do deliverance with some people, some of the deliverances are really weird or like spooky. And I can feel a spirit of fear coming from that person and it's trying to taunt me and make me afraid so that this person doesn't get delivered. That's not happening. I'm not coming into agreement with that thing in Jesus name, you know what I'm saying? And just on the topic of that, I remember there was one, one time I did a deliverance with this man and he was like an older man and his girlfriend or somebody sent him to me or something like that. And I'm talking to him, we get on the call and it was very strange. He's not what I personally find attractive or anything like that. But all of a sudden I had an attraction to him. Okay. This is like real people wonder about stuff like this in deliverance. I'm going to talk about it. Is I felt this attraction to him. Mind you, he's not what I would like for many reasons. Reasons, okay? And I was like, this is really weird. And I could feel that he had an attraction to me, okay? And I was like just listening to what he was saying, why he signed up for deliverance. And the Holy Spirit spoke to me and he said, jenny, this is a familiar spirit of perversion. Bind it. Like, do not like follow it. And I just, in that moment, like in my heart listening to him. But I was like, I bind the spirit of perversion in Jesus name. Immediately went away immediately. So I'm not. I wasn't attracted to that man. He had a spirit of perversion and love lust that was looking for. He liked younger women. He's an older man, you know what I'm saying? And I have. And a perversion is familiar to me because I was sexually abused starting at the age three. Lots of assaults, lots of abuse. Perversion in other areas besides just abuse. But it's very familiar to me. And so that things like, I know her. And it's like the Lord's like, not anymore, you don't. You know? So that's how faithful he is in those moments, like in deliverance. And so another thing is like a spirit of rejection. I'm sure you've dealt with this before. I know I have. It's like, let's say I'm sitting at a table and you come to the table and you have five friends. I don't know any of them. And one of them, I don't want to look at him. I don't want to talk to him. I don't want to hear anything he has to say. There's no reason for it. What that tells me is that man carries a spirit of rejection because it's influencing me to reject him. I have no reason. It's different than discernment, where the Lord's like, guard yourself with this person. Because he's told me that as well. It's different. This is a spirit trying to influence me to reject this person. Person. Because they've been rejected their whole life or whatever. Does that make sense? It does, yeah. And so. So I pick up on that a lot. Doing deliverance with people.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Jenny Joy]

And so spirit of fear is very familiar. When I talk about certain parts of my testimony that are scary to people, I can feel that spirit of fear try to, like, rise up. And I'm like, not here in Jesus name. Like, that's not happening. You know, there's a chapter in my book, I'm working on, a book called the Witch and the Lamb. And there's a chapter.

[Podcast Host]

Great title, by the way.

[Jenny Joy]

Thank you. Thank you so much. Um, yeah, I want it to be able to attract, like, unbelievers too. Like, what is this? You know, like, that's what I want. Like, read that book and then get free. Come to Jesus. Um, and I talk about, there's a part of my testimony which I won't get into it. Probably here. But it's a very scary part of my testimony. When I was getting delivered of witchcraft, like, it was like a horror movie. Me, my ex husband, my roommate, we're all dealing with crazy supernatural stuff, like literally out of a horror movie. Okay. And. And in that chapter, when my editor was editing it, she said she had to stop reading it because it was so scary. And so I was like, okay, this is where a spirit of fear tries to come in with my testimony. So at the beginning of that chapter, I actually, like, bind a spirit of fear and there's like a prayer for the people before they get into that chapter. Because when you talk to people that come out of heavy witchcraft, then they have really extreme testimonies or satanism. Like, people you've had on here is a lot of people will feel afraid of that stuff. And there's spirits of fear that are trying to, like, taunt the reader or the viewer or whatever. And so we just bind it in Jesus name. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Amen.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. Tell us a little bit more about the book. When's it coming out? Where can people find it?

[Jenny Joy]

Yes. So it comes out in February, and I actually, yeah, I ended up writing this. It's my testimony for sure. But there's teachings and stuff. It's coming out of witchcraft, you know, sex addiction, love addiction, the sex industry, alcoholism, abuse, like, you name it, gang affiliation, like, it's all in there. But I talk about, like. Like getting free and what that looked like for me in the process, because I did have over a thousand demons that were cast out of me. I went through 30 extreme deliverances in a year and a half. Some people will say that you don't need that. I disagree because that's what the Lord did in my life, and he completely set me free physically, mentally, obviously, spiritually, you know. And so, yeah, my book's just about that. And it's going to be really powerful. It's dedicated to. Well, I guess people can pick it up and read who it's dedicated to, but people like. Like me. So who've been through the ringer.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yes. Where can people find you on social? Where do people find you?

[Jenny Joy]

Yeah, so it's easy on all platforms. It's Enny joy happy on TikTok on Instagram, and I will be starting up YouTube finally. And so, yeah, those are the main places where people can find me. Obviously, I do coaching and deliverance. I'm trying to build out the deliverance ministry because a lot are coming to me, but I'm not able to get all of them. So I'm trying to. To build a team and kind of funnel it so that people can get the freedom that they need.

[Podcast Host]

Are there other organizations and ministries that you know where people can find deliverance?

[Jenny Joy]

Yes, and I have that in my link trees in the link in my bio of my social media.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, we're going to put that.

[Jenny Joy]

Okay, cool. In. Yep.

[Podcast Host]

In the show notes as well.

[Jenny Joy]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

We'll put that link there too. So, people, if. If you want deliverance, you guys can check out the link in the show notes and get the freedom that Christ has in store for you. So come on, Jenny. Thank you. This was a. This was fun. I feel like we keep going for two hours.

[Jenny Joy]

I know. For real. We could just talk forever.

[Podcast Host]

Probably been super long. So thank you guys for tuning in. Go check out Jenny on social media. Go get that book, the Witch and the Lamb. Great title. And thank you guys for tuning in.

[Jenny Joy]

Praise the Lord.