Gabe Poirot: 18 Days in Heaven, Encounter with Jesus & Spiritual Warfare | Jesus People Podcast EP68

Summary

Jesus People Podcast – Episode 68 Guest: Gabe Poirot | Host: Ryan Miller Title: 18 Days in Heaven, Encounter with Jesus & Spiritual Warfare Date: April 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this deeply moving and revelatory episode, Ryan Miller welcomes Gabe Poirot onto the Jesus People Podcast. Gabe shares the story behind his book, 18 Days in Heaven, recounting his near-fatal accident, a profound encounter with Jesus, and transformative insights about heaven, spiritual warfare, and authentic Christian living. The conversation moves beyond sensational storytelling to genuine, theologically anchored reflections on forgiveness, the nature of church, and what it really means to know Jesus.

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Key Themes and Discussion Points

1. Gabe’s Accident and Out-of-Body Experience ([01:45]–[05:59])

• Context: Five years ago, Gabe was in a tragic electric skateboard accident resulting in a severe head injury, a cracked skull, and a medically induced coma that lasted 18 days.
• Experience: “As I hit that curve, I hit a bump right in the middle of the road and I flipped off my skateboard. … My skull cracked in half… I slipped out and I actually… was looking at my body, but yet I felt like I breathed for the first time in my life.” ([02:58], Gabe)
• Medical Miracle: Hospital staff publicly called Gabe's recovery a miracle; he was resuscitated and both brain and body healed beyond medical explanation. ([04:41]–[04:51])

2. Spiritual Formation and Pre-Accident Faith ([06:27]–[07:50])

• Background: Raised in a somewhat chaotic home, faith was once something Gabe mocked; a genuine relationship with Jesus came during high school.
• Shift: His faith, prior to the accident, was more about knowledge than relationship or encounter.
• Change: “People even told me, like, you're very different since your encounter.” ([07:52], Gabe)

3. Encounter with Jesus & Insights into Heaven ([09:06]–[27:58])

• Immediate Aftermath: After the accident, Gabe describes witnessing his friend pray over his lifeless body and seeing those prayers “literally holding up” his body ([11:04]).
• Spiritual Warfare: Describes the reality and intensity of the spiritual realm—“over the earth is this mass chaos, like, spiritual warfare unlike anything you ever heard of. … Who we are is not just flesh and blood. … I saw the truth of the spiritual realm.” ([11:04]–[12:19], Gabe)
• The Power of Forgiveness: Unforgiveness acts as legal grounds for demonic influence: “I saw stored in these vaults any unforgiveness … These demonic spirits will come and they'll eat a buffet off of it. They literally will gain their function of authority off the words of unforgiveness and resentment…” ([13:11])
  • Notable Quote: “As long as you hold that unforgiveness, you'll never be able to move on. … You are the victim of their workings, but they've introduced it. So you feel like it's you…” ([13:11], Gabe)
• Heaven’s Layers: Explains three biblical “heavens”—physical, spiritual (warfare), and paradise/throne room ([18:08], [18:14]).
  • Second Heaven: Much “darkness” masquerades as light—even inside the church ([19:11]).
    • Notable Quote: “Satan couldn't defeat the church, so he became it.” ([20:09], Gabe)
  • Third Heaven: Describes being overwhelmed by the presence of Jesus and encountering indescribable beauty, music, and awe.
  • Worship in Heaven: “Everything—leaves, waters, streets—sings, ‘Worthy is the Lamb.’” ([25:27], Gabe)

4. Direct Encounter and the Nature of Jesus ([27:29]–[39:46])

• Meeting Jesus: Intense reverence; “I don't stand a chance. I don’t have a right before this King… my face is down and I'm bawling… he literally picks me up. He looks me in the eyes… ‘Gabriel. Why are you concerned about that which I paid for?’” ([27:58]–[29:01], Gabe)
• One-on-One Love: Jesus’ love is simultaneously for all and intimately personal—“He looked at me as if the Father was looking at Jesus. The same type of love.” ([29:23])
• Jesus’ Appearance: “His eyes… liquid ocean of love… Darker tone skin, actually Middle Eastern… yet light, pure light. Fire, purple fire, white fire, all at the same time.” ([36:11], Gabe)
• True Character of Jesus: Not “soft” or simply “nice,” but a “meek lion” who is both fierce and loving, “angry for me, not at me.” ([38:09]; see also C.S. Lewis’s Aslan)

5. Message for the Modern Church ([20:09], [21:43], [64:32])

• Religious Critique: “He hated religion… not talking about his model for the church; I’m talking about man’s model of him.” ([21:11], Gabe)
  • “Those who claim to know him but do not know him. Those who know all about him, yet they have never known him.” ([21:43], Gabe)
  • “I’ve seen that church and religion, especially in America, it’s all about ourselves. … He didn’t die for one day of our week.” ([64:33], Gabe)
• Call to Authenticity: After his return, Gabe deleted many of his old videos, realizing he’d been “quarter turn off”—focused on outward zeal, but missing humility and real relationship ([62:08]–[62:16]).

6. The Reality of Spiritual Warfare ([48:09], [13:11])

• Portals & Tolerance: “You actually aren’t influenced by that which you are intentionally doing. … You’re more influenced by that which you tolerate.” ([48:09], Gabe)
• Compromise: A single point of compromise (one “nail”) gives the demonic access: “If someone… said, okay, can I just have one nail… They nail a dead squirrel to your wall. … Eventually your house will become rotten.” ([49:21], Gabe)

7. The Importance and Power of Prayer ([53:23]–[54:32])

• Prayers seen as literal highways in the spiritual realm: “…Jesus gathered up the prayers himself into a golden bowl actually. … Even if prayers aren’t answered on the earth, they are answered in the Father’s hands.” ([53:23]–[54:15], Gabe)

8. Rewards, Responsibility, and Time on Earth ([55:13]–[57:03])

• Heavenly Rewards: All are equally loved, but not equally rewarded—responsibilities vary based on faithfulness on earth. “There are many in heaven who are thankful to be there. … They see how valuable time is on earth.” ([56:23], Gabe)
• Purpose of Creation: God didn’t create us for servitude, but for family; “He wanted family. … He wanted someone to talk with.” ([58:18], Gabe)

9. The Message Jesus Gave and the Urgency of the Hour ([40:11]–[41:22])

• Jesus’ Commission: “‘Gabriel, tell my family who I really am. ... Tell them I'm coming soon.’ Soon wasn't distant… The door of grace is about to shut on this entire earth, and justice is about to fully kiss grace…” ([40:11], Gabe)
• End Times: Gabe saw time as a tapestry; Jesus’ sacrifice is eternal, with past, present, and future at once ([41:21]).

10. Earth, Heaven, and God’s Intentions ([57:03]–[60:15])

• Before the Fall: Earth was initially “a piece of heaven”; time did not exist before the fall, so earthly age debates are misguided ([57:03]).
• New Earth: God’s future plans include restoring the earth as part of heaven ([59:54]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the power of forgiveness:
  “You are giving the demonic a buffet with your unforgiveness. And that wound does not close until you forgive.” ([14:47], Ryan paraphrasing Gabe)
• On spiritual warfare:
  “Spiritual warfare… wasn’t just in a Hollywood movie. Like, I’m talking real.” ([12:19], Gabe)
• On what we get wrong about Jesus:
  “He doesn’t tolerate, you’re not gonna cross him. … He’s meek. But when I say meek, I didn’t just see the lamb, I saw the lion.” ([38:09], Gabe)
• On the nature of heaven:
  “Heaven is not just a location. Heaven is him. Heaven cannot be described as just a place. Heaven has his breath, his love, his song.” ([17:08], Gabe)
• On the modern church:
  “Satan couldn’t defeat the church, so he became it.” ([20:09], Gabe)
• On what Jesus told Gabe:
  “‘Gabriel, why are you concerned about that which I paid for?’” ([29:01], Gabe)
• On the coming of Jesus:
  “He’s not just the lamb. He’s coming back as the lion.” ([39:46], Gabe)
• On sharing his story:
  “My testimony is not to be taken as biblical canon. Instead it’s to be judged against scripture.” ([65:36], Gabe)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• The accident and out-of-body experience: [01:45]–[05:59]
• Encounter with Jesus & layers of heaven: [11:04]–[27:29]
• Worship, the throne room, and the person of Jesus: [25:27]–[39:05]
• Message to the church / critique of religion: [20:09], [21:43], [64:32]
• Spiritual warfare & the power of forgiveness: [13:11], [48:09]
• Heavenly rewards & purpose of Earth: [55:13]–[60:15]
• The second coming and urgency: [40:11]–[41:22]
• Clarifying testimony and scriptural foundation: [65:36]–[66:31]

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Tone and Language

Gabe speaks with passionate urgency, humility, and reverence, never seeking sensationalism. He is careful to anchor his mystical experiences in Scripture, repeatedly insisting that his story must be weighed against biblical truth and should only serve to point people back to Jesus, not to himself.

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Summary Takeaways

• Supernatural encounters are not ends in themselves. They expose the reality of the spiritual world, but true transformation comes through meeting the person of Jesus.
• Forgiveness is central to freedom. Unforgiveness is real spiritual bondage and legal ground for darkness.
• Much of the American church is entangled in self-focus and empty religion. True faith is humble, relational, and all-consuming.
• Every earthly moment matters. There are real consequences and rewards tied to stewardship on earth.
• Jesus is returning as lion and king. There is an urgency for authentic relationship and repentance, not mere church attendance.
• Gabe invites skepticism and points always back to Scripture. His final exhortation is, “My testimony is only to encourage them back to scripture … throw it to the trash if it doesn’t align with the Word.”

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Learn more:

• 18 Days in Heaven is available now. Find Gabe on [YouTube] and [Instagram]. All links are in the show notes.

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Transcript

[A]

I have seen that church and religion, especially in America, it's all about ourselves. And we go to these Sunday mornings to just feel good about ourselves and feel encouraged. The Christ, I saw him on the cross. He didn't die for one one day of our week. He died for our entire life. People ask me details about angels. I wasn't even allowed to look at them. I don't even have a memory of

[B]

what they look like. It does feel like there has been a switch in you, and it sounds like you're attributing that to your encounter with Jesus.

[A]

That's why we repent, not because we have to. We get to. I saw these vaults above every single human being, and I saw stored in these vaults, any unforgiveness, specifically, these demonic spirits will come. They literally will gain their function of authority off of the words of unforgiveness and resentment.

[B]

Guys, welcome to the Jesus People Podcast. I'm really excited about this one. We've got Gabe Poirot on the podcast. Gabe, thanks for being with us, man.

[A]

Thanks for having me, man.

[B]

This is an incredible story. We were just talking earlier. Again, I keep saying this on the podcast, but I just wish people could hear, like, the coffee around the, you know, the kitchen counter conversations, and just your heart and the purity of your heart and how it's clear you didn't write this book, which is incredible. You spent 18 days in heaven. Like, you didn't write this for clout. You didn't write this for any other reason than obedience to the Lord who's asked you to now come public with this. You've. You've kept this to yourself, a precious moment with the Lord for so long. But, man, how long ago was this? And can you just kind of take us a little bit of backstory? But I know that we're going to want to hear about these 18 days that you spent with Jesus in heaven. So maybe give us a little backstory and then take us into that encounter, what that was like.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. So it was almost five years ago. It was October 25, 2021, when the accident happened. And I always clarify this. The book says 18 days in heaven, but truthfully, my time with him, it was like two minutes. Like, time doesn't operate the same when you're outside of it. And so people are, I think, a lot of times confused by the title of my book. They're like, you spent 18 days in heaven. And that's, you know, kind of me just putting the earth time on it, right? Because that was the amount of time that no one talked to me in my body, I was completely, you know, unconscious and however. But my time with him was so short. But so I guess I want to take everyone. Before this moment, I had known a lot of things about him. I'd even gone to the Bible college. You get the degree of faith, you get the degree of theology, you attain all this knowledge. But it's different when you're before him. And so, yeah, it was really an ordinary day. It was 70 degrees outside, just blue sky. And I was riding electric skateboard going about 30 miles per hour. I'd race my friends on it. And at the time, I didn't have any concerns. Helmets are for weirdos. You know what I mean?

[B]

Nerds.

[A]

Yeah, nerds. Yeah. And so we had hooked around the curve of the road, and my other friend had gone back to the house. We were staying at my friend's house. And I looked at my other friend and said, hey, why don't we race? And so we just hooked back around. And as I hit that curve, I hit a bump right in the middle of the road and I flipped off my skateboard. And I knew immediately, wasn't like, oh, this isn't good. But it's just like in a split moment, I landed right on my head. My skull cracked in half. I'll send you these photos. So as I'm saying this, people can see the evidence for themselves. Blood gushing out of my ears. It had no place to escape. Here's the biggest issue. My lungs failed because they filled with vomit, because my body went. It flatlined, literally flatlined. And my friend held up my rigid postured body in his arms. Now, I say this because I literally saw my own body from above. I slipped out and I actually, it's so ironic because I'm describing one of the worst tragedies that could ever happen to someone, but I'm describing it from the third person because my body wasn't me. I was looking at my body, but yet I felt like I breathed for the first time in my life. It was a perspective, and it was like, whoa. And ironically, there was no pain that I felt, actually even no, quote, unquote, death, although they did have to resuscitate me. And then I was still in the coma. And it was a natural coma for three days and then medically induced for 15 days after that. So total of roughly 18 days. And the doctors have even come out and even allowed us to go right in the same emergency room that my body was in.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

And the Doctor has publicly come out the hospital, JPS Hospital downtown Fort Worth, has publicly come out and said, this is a miracle. We can't explain this.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Wow. In the doctor's own words, he said, Gabe had to be resuscitated, but then he still. We didn't know if he was going to come back. He was in the coma for a while and we didn't even. If he. If he did come back, we didn't even know if he'd ever be normal again or have memory.

[B]

Wow. Dang, man. And where were your parents during this situation? Do you have siblings as well?

[A]

Yeah, I have three sisters. And so they were in Virginia and they got the call that no parent ever wants to hear talking about your son in past tense. They get called in, hey, what was Gabe like? We found his body. He's in the er. You need to come now.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

When they got there, even a nurse asked my mom verbatim, did he even write a last will?

[B]

Those were some of the first words they said to them.

[A]

Well, the first words were, you know, we got this body of a 20 year old, non responsive. You need to come now. And then when they got there, yeah, they were talking about me in the past tense. Did he ride a last will? I was in the er, then the icu. It was one of the most intense situations.

[B]

Dang. Whoo, man, that's crazy. And so you, you knew the Lord, right? You were obviously like, I, I've been following you online for a while now. And so you were sharing about Jesus. You had a deep faith in Jesus, and then you have this moment where you encounter Jesus, right? Take us a little bit into your upbringing, a little bit into, like, how you met the Lord and then how that got shifted your relationship with the Lord from this encounter.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. So I had grown up in a love my mom and dad, but it was a little bit of a chaotic house, and church wasn't specifically anything I wanted to be a part of. Faith I would kind of laugh at, truthfully, especially in my middle school years and then going into high school, though I remember actually I was just by myself listening to a podcast, and I actually started to really just dive deep into Jesus and I really became born again. Just got off the fence in life. And I did commit my life to Lord in high school, specifically December 12, 2015, my freshman year. So I really started exploring the Word and faith. However, there was over those next years. And I love podcasts, I love learning about the Word, but I really did explore a lot of knowledge and Less encounter, less personal relationship. And so at the time, when I was 20, I had been on social media. You know, I was super flamboyant and, you know, running up to the camera and it was great, you know, I was winning souls. It was. It was great. But actually there was. There was a lot of misconceptions, and I'm not going to say, you know, that I was totally off, but there was just still actually a lot of corrections that actually came from my encounter and.

[B]

Right. Yeah. That's so funny you mentioned that because,

[A]

you know, people even told me, like, you're very different since your encounter.

[B]

I was just about to say that. So, like, when I. When I met you for the first time, what, a couple of weeks ago, you popped over and I had remembered you from, like, TikTok days, you know, back probably when you were about 20. And. And I think flamboyant's a good word. Like, you were just. You were just an aggressive, in a way, you know, like, very, like, you know, right at the camera, like, you're going to hell, you know, that's. That was the vibe that I got. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And then.

[A]

Or like the whole. Stop scrolling.

[B]

Yeah, stop scrolling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was. It was like. And we all did it, right. Of course, in the early Tik Tok, we all tried the weird stuff, you know, and we all tried to be David Lading back in the day, Right.

[A]

Everyone's copying David Ling back in the day.

[B]

Shout out David Ling.

[A]

Love.

[B]

Love that. On the phone with him last night. But, yeah, but that's. That was my perception of you, if I'm being totally honest. And then I met you in person. I see. I've seen some of your newer stuff. And then when I meet you in person, I'm like, wow, this guy is just very humble and kind and meek and mature. And so it does feel like there's been a switch in you. And it sounds like you're attributing that to your encounter with Jesus.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. Well, because I discovered even. Even after we come to the faith, man, it's so easy to just work up our own list. And we get. We can get so consumed with ourselves. That's what I discovered. Because, man, at the time of my accident, everything was perfect. I didn't have a fear. I didn't have any. I never would have expected my. I was. I would go through such a. Such an accident right then and there, and I would literally be brought. I would be brought to such an end. Yet it Wasn't an end. I found it was the end of me, but it was the beginning of him. And so again, it was such a tragedy, you know, physically, yet I actually. I saw the truth not as words on a book. I saw the truth not as a textbook. The truth wasn't even just a religion. The truth was a person. And this heaven that I was brought to, I had completely misunderstood it. Heaven was nothing like I thought, nothing like I was taught of. And this person that I was brought before, the center, the center of the city was beyond words, beyond any picture or show or thing that I had ever seen on the earth. And so if you don't mind, I just want to. I want to tell people exactly what happened. So I exited my body. I remember seeing John Michael holding my rigid body in his arms. He held it up. He was praying over me. And as much as I saw him, I actually saw the spiritual world. I saw his prayers. Prayers are literally their own beings. Not. But, like, not like some weird being. Like, our words are the containers of our life. Like. And I'm not getting into some spooky thing telling people, like, like, words. I'm not getting to, like, the whole name it, claim it. Like. Like a, you know. Yeah, claim you got a Bugatti and you're going to get a Bugatti. I'm not getting into that. I always have to clarify that for people, this isn't some, like, weird thing. But words have power. That's what Jesus said.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's a reason Jesus taught his disciples about the importance of what they say. In fact, he said, you'll be held accountable for every idle word you say, too. So anyways, that being said, I saw. I literally saw his prayers. And I saw that it wasn't just his arms holding me up. His prayers were holding up my body. He was. And come to find out, actually, after this accident, he's testified himself about how immediately he was praying over my body. Father, I pray Gabe lives and not dies. I pray Gabe lives and not dies. Right? And so you start seeing those things. And so as I exit my body, I see how this world is not just physical. This world is not just flesh and blood. Who we are is not just flesh and blood. But I saw the truth of the spiritual realm. And it was so real. So real. And as I'm. I'm not just, like, vertically above my body. It's like I just. I see it through a whole nother perspective. And in this, what I call second, heaven is just this, like, over the earth is this like mass chaos, like, spiritual warfare unlike anything you ever heard of. Like, it's no longer just in a Hollywood movie. Like, I'm talking real. You see how real spiritual warfare is? Whoa, dude.

[B]

That is exactly what I just heard Adele and Rion talk about. I just had Adele, who was a former Satanist, and I've had Rion Sweealaar, who was the former head of the Church of Satan in South Africa. They talk about that. They talk about how you can legally access that realm. And if you go into that realm, you see all sorts of stuff. The way they describe it is it's like a form of astral projection if you illegally access it. But they're like, if you only knew how much spiritual warfare was happening. That's crazy. The way you just described that is exactly how they describe it.

[A]

Wow. And, you know, specifically, I saw people say, how do they gain access or function? I use the word function because our bodies are authoritative vehicles for the earth. So people need to understand we are a spirit. We are a spirit of the spirit, the father of light. Right? And I'm talking to born again believers out there.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

You're born of the light and you function in a body that gives you a voice on the earth. Yeah, I saw the key. I saw these vaults above every single human being, and I saw stored in these vaults any unforgiveness, specifically resentment you hold. Do you know what actually happens? There's this chain that these demonic spirits will come and they'll eat a buffet off of it. They literally will gain their function of authority off of the words of unforgiveness and resentment, the bitterness. And what happens is, actually they'll eat it and they'll keep that wound open for the rest of your life, and you'll never be healed. As long as you hold that unforgiveness, you'll never be able to move on. And it's because they feast off of it, but they introduce it as yourself, and they tell you that you're the victim, and they tell you that you're forever the victim, but you're not the victim of what that person did to you. You are the victim of their workings, but they've introduced it. So you feel like it's you, and you feel like you have to hold onto it, and you have to be the victim, and you have to hold that resentment against that person for what they did to you, because what they did to you was so real. But you don't understand what they did to you wasn't them. So I Saw this spiritual realm. We were all Muppets. We were all puppets. And it was all their influences, it was their feelings they introduced to us, it was their thoughts they introduced to us. Then they tell us it's us. That's why we have all these identities, right? So that's why we have all these feelings and thoughts. But humans didn't invent the level of wickedness that I saw in the spiritual realm. But we were all just being puppetly mastered around. Yeah.

[B]

Wow, wow, wow. One thing you mentioned that I'm learning more and more as I get older and I talk to more wise people is the first step of healing is forgiveness. There's a lady, Carol Ward, she's been on the podcast People Ask Me, what's your favorite podcast you've ever done? Carol Ward, by far. She's a missionary to Africa. She was there in uganda. Remember Kony 2012? Joseph Kony, the Lord's Resistance army, most evil man on the planet, most demon man, would kidnap these child soldiers and have them just go like, murder and massacre entire villages. She was there ministering to healing these victims, these child victims of Joseph Kony. And so she has real, real time data, real life evidence of what actually heals a person that's been as traumatized as possible. And she basically said, what I've learned over my lifespan of healing these victims is no true healing can happen without, without forgiveness. So our ENT therapeutic model right now of just talk about your issues over and over again is almost the exact opposite of how healing happens. Talking about your issues, talking about your pain, talking about your struggles has merit if it's undergirded by forgiveness. Yes, absolutely. Process stuff. But so much of the therapy world right now is falling into the trap of the demonic, which says, oh, just keep processing for the sake of processing to feel better. It doesn't make you just feel better to all the bad things that other people did to you. And now we got Chat GPT. If you put into like, I don't know if you've seen those videos on, on, on Instagram of people being. It's like skits of like an absent father if he was talking to Chat GPT. And Chat GPT is like, you didn't leave your kids. You found your boundaries, you found yourself. Right? Right. It's like bananas, dude, the world we're living in. But that's so cool to see that you're actually looking at the spirit realm and showing that you, like, you are giving the demonic a buffet with your unforgiveness. And that wound does not close until you forgive.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm not even saying that in a metaphor. I'm not saying that as a fairy tale. It was real. Yeah.

[B]

It.

[A]

It installed a reverent fear in me that I'll never forget.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And I haven't even shared a lot of these details because, truthfully, I. I had kept it holed up in my heart. I remember when I first came back, all I could say was Jesus. And I would tell people, Like, I met Jesus. He's so beautiful. Like, I would. I would tell people that, and people would ask me, tell me details, and I would just say, jesus. And I still am like that. Okay. Like, I. Because there's no moving past him. There's no moving beyond him. Heaven is not just a location. Heaven is him. Heaven cannot be described as just a place. Heaven has his breath, his love, his song. There's no escape left, right? Up, down, no escape of him. And so. But there's many different layers. I think when we even use the word heaven, people think of, like, one place or one layer, but there are different heavens, even biblically. Paul spoke about this, and it's in Psalms. And so. And so he went up to the third heaven.

[B]

John, Right?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And so why did he even say third heaven? Right. Well, that immediately implies there's a first and there's a second.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's interesting. And so you and I described the three heavens. Now, in each heaven, though, like, there are different layers. But I describe the three heavens as, you know, like, the first heaven is the blue sky. It's what we can see right away. The second heaven is both the outer space, yet it's the spiritual realm behind the veil. People cannot think of heaven just as if it's, like, higher than us. It's not just vertically higher, it's behind the dimension. So it's like explaining a 3D world to someone living on a 2D paper. Yeah. They can't just understand it by thinking, oh, things are just higher than me. Well, things aren't just higher than you. Things are deeper than you molecularly. Exactly.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

On a molecular level, it's deeper.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, take 3D and times it by 7 times 70, and you'll start to be like, okay, this is where we're going. Whoa.

[B]

Okay, so what's the third heaven like?

[A]

So the second heaven is a spiritual warfare. I describe it as civil war.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And before I get to the third heaven, I need to just say one more detail about the second heaven. It didn't actually look like clear light versus darkness. In the second heaven, the spiritual warfare. I saw the light, but I actually saw how most of the darkness almost looked exactly like the light. Huh. And of course, you know, their intentions are dark and you see who they really are and you're like, oh my goodness. But they masquerade themselves as 99% light comfortability. They masquerade themselves as the love. They've redefined love. And they truly, most people would actually see a demon and they would actually be surprised that it was a demon because the way they're influencing them, it actually feels something good, something right, something comfortable. And I actually saw it's taken most of the church too. Like most like, oh my goodness. Like I'm telling you, I'm, I'm telling you. Satan couldn't defeat the church, so he became it.

[B]

Whoa, say more.

[A]

That offends a lot of people, but it was what I saw. I don't care. I have to say it. It's.

[B]

What does that mean?

[A]

And don't get me wrong, I. What that means is I believe in the local church. Church is what Jesus gave us. Okay? I am, I'm the biggest fan, I'm the biggest supporter of local pastor and you know all that. But I just, I saw that these, these demonic spirits had introduced what I call familiarity to these specific pastors, leaders, congregation members, structures. And what was originally awesome, what was originally God's plan for the church has been twisted. Even even the book of Revelation to the seven churches, even the correction there, oh my goodness, I'm telling you that, take that. And even. There's even so much more correction now for the modern church. All the rebukes Jesus just gives the churches in revelation, don't just wait until you hear what he says to the modern day church, to the American church too.

[B]

Did you hear what he said to them?

[A]

I saw the way he felt about them. Yeah. And talking with him, I got to know his personality a little bit. Of course, I don't claim that I saw all of heaven. I don't claim that I fully know him because again, but the little part that I did see of him, I did quickly understand he hated religion, wasn't some of him, wasn't a part of him. And when I say religion, I'm not again, I'm not talking about his model for the church. I'm talking about man's, man's model of him.

[B]

And what's the distinction? Like, what does he hate? What would he say to the modern church?

[A]

Those who claim to know him, but do not know him. Those who know all about him, yet they have never known him. Those who, those who even. They took the idea of him and they put it into their set of rules to better them, to better themselves and to. To think higher of themselves. And it's much different, man, much different. I saw that he was never about an organization or just religion. He was family. He was family. So as I'm pulled through the second heaven in my peripheral, I don't see details. I didn't see like exactly what these spirits, these demonic spirits would look like, but I just saw their influence was so beyond what people understood. I saw that every single day is spiritual war. Every day. Every day while we're on this earth, it's war. So as I'm pulled up, I'm just like, wow. And it. But that kind of just like melts, melts off of me almost. And I'm just suctioned up by this light that isn't a visible item. This light has its own breath. And I knew that this light was a person, but not just a person. I knew that this light was the king of kings, Alpha and Omega, beginning in the end, ancient of days. Yet he was waiting for me his entire life. I was his only. Whoa. I knew it was going to be a one on one encounter. People ask me details about angels. I wasn't even allowed to look at them. I don't even have a memory of what they look like because there's such a holy reverent fear. In fact, even if you do try looking at them, there's a rebuke. Why stare? It don't even look at me. And they only point like, like there's a spirit of like they only point back to him. Look at the beautiful one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Look at the lamb. Look at the lion. Why, why are you staring at me like it's like. Yeah. So I don't even know what angels look like or remember. I don't even remember what they look like because all I can remember is him.

[B]

And so you have this, this moment where you're. You're. Now you see this light, it has breath. You recognize it's a person. Was there a moment where he became like a man? Jesus like a man. And you were able to talk.

[A]

So this light brings me to this city now. And I say that biblically. You know, John wrote of this in the entire book of Revelation. He was brought to a city that had no sun or no moon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's what I'm reminded of because the Lamb was the light he is the light himself. He's the very structure of heaven. And so it's not just an urban location when it says city, but again, that's just a term for it. But left, right in my peripheral, I'm aware there's flowers, there's. There's leaves on trees, there's waters, there's streets, there's. There's, there's libraries, there's houses, there's monuments, there's. But every detail, you even, you even look at it as the leaves would blow. They would sing, worthy is the lamb. They would sing, worthy is the king. Worthy is the king who became the lamb. And they would sing, worthy is the lamb who's coming back as the king. Whoa. So it was manifold, it was multi. It was multi dimensional. So you look at that. They release that note, it would reverberate across all of heaven and the rivers of the waters of life. The waves would go back and forth and they would sing, worthy is the lamb. Worthy is the lamb. See, like, almost like the rocks would cry out. Almost like Jesus told us in the Word. Like, I saw scripture was not a book. Scripture was a living, breathing, not just place person. Scripture was alive. Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And that same note would be received by these streets. And it wasn't just like people say, like, the golden street wasn't like gold on the earth. It was color and frequency and like, it made me think that I had never even seen what gold looks before. Looks like. Like we know the earth's definition of gold, but heaven's definition isn't even. Like, we don't even have an English word for it. It's impossible to describe. And Paul wrote, he even said, I saw things in the third heaven that are unexplainable, that I can't even describe. And people come to me and they're like, well, how can you describe it? And I'm like, I still can't. I'm trying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I'm sharing with you guys what I was allowed to share. But I still, I don't claim that I can even share all of what I saw, you know, So I agree with Paul.

[B]

So are there certain things that you have been released to share?

[A]

Yeah. And specifically, there's certain things he hasn't even allowed me to remember because he wants me to trust him. For example, there was a library with my name on it. And it was all the plans that he had written for me. But it wasn't just the plans. It was the moments he saw in my life that he noticed. For example, in high school, I sat with a Chinese student who was all alone. He didn't have any friends at the time. I just sat with him. I was like, oh, you know, I went and sat with him. I saw this moment. I didn't sit with him. I was sitting next to Jesus.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Literally, this book I was reading, and as I'm reading the book, I see the moment, and I see it was me and Jesus. He said, gabriel, I was there with you that day. You were eating lunch with me. Literally. It wasn't a metaphor. Wasn't something he just said. It was the truth, dude. The truth is no longer our experience on the earth. The truth is him,

[B]

which aligns so closely with what he said. Whatever you did for the least of these brothers, you've done for me. So that's not a metaphor. He's literally saying. He's not saying. It's like, you did it for me. He's saying, you did it for me.

[A]

Yeah. And so as I'm brought to the center of the city, this is a reverent place. This isn't some Disneyland tourist location. And you know what? I publicly come out and say, this. Heaven is not some place. You just talk about the quote, unquote, thrill rides and get a bunch of cotton candy. You know, that. That breaks my. That makes me almost want to throw up. The way people talk about heaven like it's.

[B]

My son asks if he can eat as much chocolate as possible, not get sick.

[A]

And. And, well, maybe, you know, it's like people. People are. Like, People are talking about heaven like they're just visiting it every day. And then it's like, no, like, this. This place is holy. Reverent, like. Like, this isn't somewhere something to even just throw around. That's why I didn't want to share with my testimony for so long was because I knew, like, I didn't want to be that type of guy that just does it for clicks or for views, you know, Like, I only wanted to cheapen it. Exactly. I don't want to cheapen it exactly. Because it can't be cheapen. Like, this is him. And so my face is down and I'm bawling because I'm done for. I don't stand a chance. I don't have a right. I don't have a right before this King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Alpha and Omega, beginning and the end. This is holy. Okay, so my face is down, bawling. Ryan, he literally picks me up. He looks me in the eyes with his head slightly turned, and he Says Gabriel. Why are you concerned about that which I paid for? I wasn't just forgiven 2000 years ago when he was on the cross. I wasn't even just forgiven. Just when I was a freshman in high school. I was forgiven forever. I was forever redeemed. I was forever his. Truly, as far as east is from the west, my sins had been removed. When he looked at me in the eyes, I wasn't an acquaintance. I wasn't a stranger. I was his own fam. I was literally blood of his blood. And I thought someone must have misplaced me. Thought I was actually in the wrong place. I thought I was actually being seen as someone wrong. Because he looked at me literally with the same love that the Father looks at him. Not some of the love, not part of the love. It literally, when he looked at me, it was as if the Father was looking at Jesus. The same type of love. Yet here was I. And there was such a reverence, like a humility, you see how on your own ability, you're nothing. Like on my own ability, on my own list of right and wrongs, I knew. I knew that I was nothing without him. But I was no longer nothing. I was his. And he spoke to me not in an audible language. When he even said those words, he spoke to my heart without even. It wasn't even audible. And actually, his wounds, people think they're, like, right in the middle of his hand. They're actually closer to his wrist, but they weren't 2 inches wide. They carried the depth of eternity. His wounds still speak of the price he paid for me. I saw a name written across. Gabriel. The other wound, Gabriel. The spear in his side. Gabriel. Crown of thorns. Gabriel. He did it for me. And there's many in heaven, there's many on earth. He did die for the whole world, right? Like, you know John 3:16, right? We're taught that scripture, but we forget. When he was on the cross, he had me on his mind. So he does have the ability. And we can't understand this because no one can do this on the earth, but he has the ability to be one on one with each and every single one of us. And that's what I experienced. I was his only one. He didn't just die for the world. He died for me. Like, just for me and the world, but just for me. Like.

[B]

Yeah. See, I want to take a quick break, and I want to tell you about a ministry that my family personally supports. It's called Global Christian Relief. And you may not know this, but there are more persecuted Christians around the world than ever before. And Global Christian Relief sends medical aid. They send Bibles to persecuted countries that don't have access to them. They're providing shelter. They're taking care of the least of these in the name of Jesus. And if you want to support them, you can click the link in the show notes. You can read stories of what God's doing in the persecuted church. And know this. Jesus says that what you've done for the least of these, you've done for him. But also that when we love each other as a body of Christ, the rest of the world will see him. So go check it out. So give me, give me. Like, I'm trying to picture this. Right. And maybe you can't. But case you see this light, you're having these amazing encounters. This conversation with Jesus, what does it look like around you? Like, are you in the throne room? Like, where are you during this conversation?

[A]

Yeah. I just describe the throne room as the most grandest holy place. And truthfully, it is just so holy and reverent. And I say it's a throne room. I am not even going to claim that I know exactly where in heaven this happened. I just knew I was at the center, and I knew it was in my memory as I say it. I'm confident that it was the throne room. But I can so only remember him, that it still is a challenge to even talk about intricate details of. Of the cherubim and the elders and, like, about everything around.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you're so filled with a focus of him and it all reflects him. Everyone there sings, worthy is the Lamb. Worthy is the Lamb. Like, now I read the book of Revelation where John had this very similar encounter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it brings back memories. Whoa. Because we saw the same Jesus.

[B]

Yeah. And I want to get back to your conversation with Jesus. But where's the Father and where's the Spirit at this time.

[A]

Absolutely. So they're one. Like, when you look at Jesus, both you see the Father and the Holy Spirit. Now, of course, I couldn't see the Father God. No one can. In return, like, that's. He's so, like, I remember he was there, but I don't have any memory of ever being able to even see close to him. Such a. A holiness, a reverence.

[B]

So you knew he was there. Was it kind of like you. You can feel like a presence in the room?

[A]

Like, exactly. Like, you know when you're in a room and you, like, you know someone's there and maybe you're not looking at them? Yeah, but, like, you know, they're there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, with this, it was even times that by a thousand. Like. But as I looked at Jesus, I saw how the Father saw me. So I got to know the Father by looking at the Son.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Because I describe Jesus as this. He is the very arm of God. You know how when you're around someone and you could just kind of like, you know, see a little bit about them, you know, a little bit about them, but then when they touch you, it's like. Or like, you know, maybe you're like. As soon as they touch you, or you just. You feel that touch, you're like, oh, like, there's that connection.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's how I describe Jesus. He's the arm of the Father. He's the Father touching. Yeah, yeah, he's the Father. Literally reaching down and become like he was the king of kings. He was eternal. He was ancient of days, the lion and the lamb, but yet he was 33. So he was perfect and also perfectly human. It was dual. He was God, yet human at the same exact time. Like, perfect. Like, he knew me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He didn't just know about me, he knew me. Like, and the Bible describes that in Philippians, how the king became fully human when he was conceived. When he was miraculously conceived in Mary's womb, he took on human flesh. And of course, we know as he rose again from the dead and, you know, we're celebrating resurrection Day, he took on that glorified body, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, he still has a glorified body. It's glorious, but it's like, yeah, he's fully human, man. He knows us. Like, he gets us.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. What did Jesus look like?

[A]

Well, first his eyes. First and forever his eyes. Liquid ocean of love that there's no floor to, no escape, no running from. Surrounded, you're captured. He literally looked like love. He was 33, yet eternal. Darker tone skin. Actually Middle Eastern, very much so. Actually darker than I was anticipating, yet light, pure light. Fire, purple fire, white fire, all at the same time. And every part of his body spoke. So you look at his eyes and he says, I love you. You look at his eyebrows and they say, I love you. You look at his hair and it says, I love you. You look at his beard. He wasn't feminine or soft. Like, he's not someone you mess around with. His beard says, I love you. His beard says, I paid the price for you. I want you. You're my own. Like, he met me eye to eye. For me, he was right about, like, 5, 11, right around. But man, he's as tall, as high as any heavens go. Like, I actually, I believe even for those who are maybe on the shorter side, he's going to meet you eye to eye. If anyone does have the right to tower over us, it would be him. But he meets us eye to eye because he wants to see us. He wants to know us. That's why. Actually, you know, I know certain people come back with a little bit different accounts of, like, where Jesus was and where he met them. Because he meets you eye to eye. He's brother of your brother. He's blood of your blood. You are in him and he's in you.

[B]

What do we get wrong about him?

[A]

We expect him to be this flamboyant, go along with the flow type of person that's just even nice, you could say. Or what do I mean when I say nice? Just, you know, tolerant. Just a happy, go lucky type of guy. Not the Jesus I encountered. He's not soft, not feminine. He doesn't go along with the flow. He doesn't tolerate. You're not going to cross him. He's meek. But when I say meek, I didn't just see the lamb. I saw the lion. But he was not the lion that was obnoxious. He wasn't the lion that was just running around eating whatever and ruining and pouring out his anger. He wasn't angry at me. He was angry for me. So he wasn't the lion that's going to eat me. He's the lion that's going to roar for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we were talking about meekness before we started this podcast and I interrupted you and I said, wait till you hear what my testimony, because this is who I encountered.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I had never thought of Jesus like the lion I saw. Like, truly like. And as C.S. lewis even says, he's not a tame lion. Yeah. Like, he's a meek lion. He's not a lion that is just lying down, never going to take a stand. He's a lion that is directed, that is focused.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Dang, dude, that's awesome.

[B]

That's so cool.

[A]

Like, he's not. He's not a line you're gonna cross. And actually, people don't know this. He's actually soon to come back. He's gonna come back and many are actually gonna be surprised because he's not gonna look like the lamb that we were taught 2,000 years ago. Yes, he still is the lamb and worthy is the lamb, but he's not just the lamb. He's coming Back as the lion.

[B]

Did he talk to you about his second coming?

[A]

Before I was sent back, he looked me right in the eyes and he said, gabriel, tell my family who I really am. And when he spoke that, it was also immediately communicated to me. Like, tell them I'm coming soon. Coming soon. Soon wasn't distant soon wasn't 100 years from now soon. When he said soon, it literally felt like I'm just about to get them. The door of grace is about to shut on this entire earth, and justice is about to fully kiss grace, and it's all going to be wrapped up. That's why the Bible says today is the day of salvation. That's why Bible says no man knows the hour of the day. Nobody should clip this podcast and tell and say that. I'm telling them the date of what it's going to happen. You're missing the point. I saw the timeline in heaven. It was the past, the present, and the future. It was literally wrapped up like a piece of clothing. And you know how just if you have a piece of paper, if you take a pen, if you fold it all together and then mark one spot, you unfold that piece of paper. Now, that one marking is now across the entire paper. Well, I saw in the present, in heaven, he redeemed all of time. He operated in all of time at one moment.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So on the cross, 2,000 years ago, he didn't just forgive those who were there with him. His blood paid the price of sin forever. Past, present, future, forever. That's why we can look back to the cross and receive forgiveness. That's why we can look back to the cross and be born again, is because his blood still applies to today.

[B]

You said justice is about to kiss grace. In response to my question of is he coming soon? What does that phrase mean?

[A]

Absolutely. People actually don't understand. The reason this earth is even still functioning is actually because of his. A bubble of grace is what I call it. We don't deserve to be alive. We don't even deserve to be here. We, in our own ability, don't deserve anything, any grace, any breath even, yet he has sustained the time because he wants one more. One more to know him. Like I saw Jesus that was holding back all of heaven's armies because he just wants one. Wait, wait. I want John. I want Ryan. I want Gabriel. Whoa. And there is going to come a time where the Father says, now's the time and he's going to. Jesus is going to come back, but he's not coming back as a lamb to be slaughtered. He's coming back as the lion who's going to bring justice and rescue his bride and bring his bride to full completion according to the word of God. Right. Like Paul wrote in Corinthians that right now we see dim. Right now we see through a fainted perspective. But one day, we will see clear. One day. One day that day is coming. So, yeah, people are going to encounter a Jesus that is a lion. And he's not just going to be some. He's not even going to be a religion. He's family.

[B]

Yeah. That visual of Jesus holding back the armies of heaven is really powerful.

[A]

And he's not holding them back as a nice little, little lamb. He is the lamb, and worthy is the lamb. Yeah, but he's the lion. See? So that's meekness. It's not holding back as weak or tolerant or passive. It's a holding back because he's about to come.

[B]

Yeah. Wow, guys, 18 days in heaven. We're not done with the podcast. I just have to plug this now. Dude, I'm so excited to dive into this. We're going to put the link in the show notes. Put the link in the description. One thing that I said this at the beginning of the podcast, but I've truly found this to be authentic in you, is this was an obedience move. Like, even you sharing some of the numbers, you sharing what people would look at and be like, would that really be worth it to write that book? You're like, well, the Lord told me to do it. Like, that's so cool. And I believe you. I really, really do. And this is. This is needed. I think the Lord has ordained this book to come out at this time. He ordained that to happen to you five years ago. He ordained these stories to come not just to warn his bride, but to reveal the heart of the bridegroom, to show that he is perfect love, and that love is crying out from every aspect of his body, of his being. What are a couple other things that you encountered in heaven? What are some things that you would just want to share with the body of Christ that you were privy to that you encountered?

[A]

Yeah, well, he pulled back the veil on actually two timelines, Moses and Elisha. And I need to tell people about Moses. For a moment, I didn't know. I didn't talk with Moses. I didn't see him in detail, but I did see the moment of the burning bush. People think Moses was some strong, flamboyant leader that was just, you know, had it all together. Moses before the burning bush. You would look at him and you would laugh. Before the burning bush, you would be like Moses. That guy is going to lead a nation out of slavery. He was truly nothing. But when he was before that burning bush, he presented all of his failures to God. God didn't respond with a you, you, you. God said, I am. Do you know why I saw this moment? Moses found the end of himself and the start of the I am. And when he found the I am and the burning bush, he found himself. So who we are is not about all our abilities and failures and weaknesses. Who we are is actually a crystal light reflection of Him. That's who we were made to be from the start. That's why the Bible says in Ephesians, before the worlds were made, we were loved. Before the worlds were made, we were already chosen. Because it's his love, that outburst and made me and you. Our breath is the miracle. His fingerprint. Oh. Ready for this? Okay. He showed me his fingerprint, took that dust and didn't just make Adam. His fingerprint took that dust, breathed upon it. Love breathed and said, Ryan and made Ryan and made Gabriel. He didn't just make Adam, he made me. My life is a miracle. Not just because I survived a broken skull and crazy accident. My life, my. My first breath is a miracle. Every one of our breaths is a miracle. When we breathe, we're breathing the very essence of God. That's why we're made in his image. Image doesn't mean, like, we look exactly like God. Like, that doesn't mean, like just visible image. Image means essence, spirit, family. Because he had all the other creatures. He had all the other servants. He had everything. He didn't need us, but he didn't have family. Wow. So he said, I don't just want someone to talk 2. I want someone to talk with. He said, I want a relationship. I want fellowship. We want fellowship. And he made you. He made me.

[B]

Wow. What do you think of some of the. Did you get. Did you get any insight into how the demonic works and the evils that are happening on the earth right now?

[A]

Definitely. So from the third heaven's perspective, I just. I saw specifically the gain of function that, that and the entrustment that he actually has given us with the life we have on this earth and with our words and with our heart. It was specific to our heart. And I saw the spheres of, really portals, what we watch, what we listen to, even people we tolerate around us, people don't realize this. You actually aren't influenced by that. Which you are intentionally doing. A lot of times you're more influenced by that which you tolerate. And so I saw these portals. People would watch things, people would listen to things. People would just be tolerating. I saw it kind of like everyone was just smiling, laughing, but they were getting eaten on the inside because of these demonic spirits were literally eating buffets off of people and became full hosts of their houses. And listen, I'm not going to get into semantics about, you know, possession or this or this or I'm not going to get into semantics. I'm just going to say there's a reason the Bible says our eyes are the light of a soul. Right. And our ears give authority. Right. And so I challenge people. First of all, forgive. Second of all, don't tolerate any ounce of compromise. Because as soon as you tolerate that compromise, all it takes is 1% and they've got the entire house. You know, if someone did come in your house right now and you said, hey, you can't have my house. You're not welcome here. And they asked you, they said, okay, can I just have one nail? Can I just have one nail for your house? And you're like, all right, yeah, that's fine. They go outside, they take a dead squirrel, they nail it to your wall. That squirrel smell is going to take over. That stench is going to take over this entire house just from one little nail. If they nail that thing, eventually your house will become rotten.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because of a dead carcass living on the inside, just through one nail. So as soon as we give one nail of compromise in the house of our lives, watch out. That's why we repent. Not because we have to. We get to. Not because we're trying to make it to him, because he's made it to us. It's a love relationship. You don't give loyalty to your wife because you have to. You have loyalty to your wife because you want to. You love her to love relationship.

[B]

Yeah. Wow. It's beautiful.

[A]

This doesn't make you want to compromise. People say, oh, if you were completely forgiven, I guess now you're just doing whatever you want because you're forgiven. No, no, no, no, man. Because I saw the forgiveness. I don't want to even walk near the fence of sin. And if I do ever mistake, if I do ever mess up and I fall down, I just go back to my dad and say, hey, dad, I know you love me. I repent of that. He says, gabriel, you're forgiven. That's not you. I always believed in you. My son, I'm always on your side. That's not you. Even last week, you know, I'm public about my mistake last week I was, I had a little. I was so caught up with what I was doing with, with work, and I had to record this thing and I was a little sharp with my wife and I. She was hungry and I was, all right, you figured out. I was a little sharp with her. And I remember, I then went on and I opened my Bible. And immediately, as soon as I opened my Bible, I felt this conviction of like, oh, my goodness, how dare I approach love himself? Yet I'm talking to my wife that way. Like, how hypocritical of me. Like, I was convicted, you know, And I immediately, I was like, father, I'm gonna be right back. And I went and ran into, into our room and said, I'm so sorry, Please forgive me. I was like, ally, I'm so sorry. I should never talk to you that way. Forgive me, please. Right. And it's like, it's like. But I wasn't telling her that. Trying to, like, make God approve of me or get back in God's grace or like.

[B]

Right. Yeah. It wasn't fear based, it was love based.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so, yeah. But, yeah, from the third heaven I did just witness. But I also. It was actually crazy. So right before they were gonna do a tracheotomy on me. So this was about the week of November 8, 2021, roughly around 18 days after my accident. I wasn't getting enough oxygen still. My brain was just like 1%, you know, there. You know what I mean? I clarify because people are, you know, understandably criticizing. You're like, you weren't dead for 18 days. I don't claim to be dead for 18 days. I. I did flatline. I was resuscitated, but then I was in a coma for 18 days. And if I was, you know, in heaven, maybe for just two minutes of that or all 18 days, I can't tell you because I wasn't on the earth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I just tell you that I was with him. That's what I. What I say. So however, it was right before they were going to do a trach, take out my voice forever, Jesus showed me the prayers. I saw everyone praying over me. And, you know, my accident had spread and people were praying and maybe even you saw stuff on social media and you remember a lot of people were like, pray, forgive. And they weren't really telling details. They were just like, it's not good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's because they weren't even allowing people into my room. Like it was really hopeless. Just imagine family and friends looking at a body that's like non responsive for 18 days. Yeah. So it was right before they were going to do do a trach on me. I was sent back to my body and I saw those prayers and they were like highways and I. And I was sent back on those highways of prayers. And Jesus gathered up the prayers himself into a golden bowl actually. And then he presents those prayers to the Father. And I saw that even if prayers aren't answered on the earth, they are answered in the Father's hands. And there's actually a reward. Even if prayers, even if you don't see answered prayer on the earth, man, don't quit. Because actually you'll see an even greater reward in heaven. I saw. And in heaven isn't like a plan B or not as good as on earth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think we like think that answered prayer is only good if it happens on earth. Yeah, I saw. Truth is where heaven is, this earth is just a dim picture. And it's awesome when we see answered prayer. But even if we don't on the earth, never, never assume the story's done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. But yeah, I saw and I was sent back on his arm of grace, joined with those prayers. Because it's his grace. Right. It's by faith, but it's his grace. And I was sent back and then I woke up and I was miraculously healed. And I'll send you the photo of the mri. It's in my book as well. The MRI of my skull before and after the miracle. You could see it filling in. My brain went from mashed potatoes to functional again.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Miraculously, brains are not supposed to heal. Brains aren't like a boo boo.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Victims of accidents like this are mental vegetables for the rest of their life. Yet for me, my eyes opened.

[B]

Wow. One question I have for you is the Bible's very clear in different portions that we will receive different crowns, we will receive different glory in heaven, rewards, rewards for the things we did on earth. Did you witness that at all?

[A]

A part of it. I will say everyone in heaven is equally loved. Okay. Cherished. We're all saved by grace through faith. Right. No one makes it to heaven by our works. However, there's a reason Jesus said he that is faithful with a little is rewarded with more. And there are rewards, responsibilities, and we're actually called to rule and reign with him. Actually, there's a reason the Bible says in Revelations that we're kings of the king, priests of the priest. And so actually, in heaven, there are many rewards, responsibilities. I don't call them jobs because they're not jobs. They're loves, they're passions, and it's glorious. And so, yeah, actually in heaven, everyone has a deep understanding of how valuable their time on the earth was. And there's actually a lot in heaven that are thankful to be there. However, man, they look back on their time on the earth and they are almost. I'm not gonna say jealous. There's no jealousy in heaven. But they are hopeful and they're thankful that we have time because they see how precious it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're. They're praying for us, they're blessing us. They're the great witnesses the Bible talks about in Hebrews.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Because they see how valuable time is on the earth because a lot of them actually weren't given a lot of responsibility in heaven. There's a lot in heaven that. That actually. Yeah, they're not given the same rewards as others. It's not a utopian, like, communist state. I think people think, like, it's like, equal distribution. It's actually not how heaven works. He's not like a communist God.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Did you get any insight into, like, why God set it up the way he set it up? Like, why is there the Earth and why is there the heaven? And why is the time so valuable on earth?

[A]

Yeah, so definitely he entrusted the Earth actually to us. And actually, time was never actually supposed to be limiting the Earth like it was until Adam's fall. So before Adam, actually, time didn't exist. And that's why now everyone claims the Earth is this amount of years old and. And these things. And it, like, we see all these things. Like, before humanity, it's because time didn't exist. So you can't judge a time that didn't have a time. You can't put a number on something that literally wasn't limited by numbers.

[B]

Before the fall.

[A]

Exactly. Before the fall. So, you know, people are always fighting about how old the Earth is. And I tell them, I'm like, you're judging what can't be judged. Interesting. It was outside of time.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

People don't know that.

[B]

But, like, why? Why Earth? That's so ethereal. But, like, why. Why did God do Earth? Why did he create Earth? Why did you get any insight into that? Because you're privy now to the different dimensions, the spiritual realm, the three heavens. But, like, we still are here, and I know, we know our job is to glorify the Lord here. We know our job is faithfulness. We know our job is love.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, like, why did he do it?

[A]

Yeah, well, it's like I was kind of mentioning before. So God never needed us. Okay. He had everything. He is everything. He had the servants and the other creatures in the cherubim and. And hallel, which is the Hebrew word for Lucifer before he fell.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He had all these. All these things, but he wanted family. He actually made the earth as a. As a way. He said, you know what? I don't. I don't want a slave. I want a son. And I want to. I want a son I can actually walk with, and I can walk in the garden with him and walk with him, spirit to spirit, and be like he is. He is flesh of my flesh. He's bone of my bone. He's my own image.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Given a chance to create with me. Why did God allow Adam to name the animals? You ever thought about that?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It's because he wanted. He didn't just want to tell Adam everything Adam needed to do. He wanted it to be a family. He wanted Adam to exercise his authority with him and in him and. And. And function as his very body. Almost like we're the body of Christ. What do you know anyway? You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, that's why Jesus is the second man.

[B]

That's my question. Like, why do you do Earth? Like, why not? Why wouldn't he keep it in heaven? Y. Yeah. If he wants family?

[A]

Well, you're. You're looking at Earth as if it was always a broken place. So actually, when the earth was first given it, it. It was a, like, piece of heaven. Exactly. You know, and. And. But then the fall happened and, you know, and, you know, so.

[B]

Yeah. Interesting.

[A]

And. But that's why we're going to be given a new Earth. Have you ever thought about that? Yeah.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because people kind of are like, well, if we're going to heaven, why would Jesus even make a new earth? Like, why don't we just do away with it all? And. Well, actually, it's because his plans are amazing for the Earth. Like, Earth was a part of heaven. And so when the new Earth is restored according to biblical timelines, it's going to be glorious. Like, the new Jerusalem is going to be glorious, and it really is going to be a piece of heaven.

[B]

Right, right. So you had this encounter 2021. It's right around, like, Covid times. Did you get any revelation about some of the current events, you could call them, or the Evils or the strongholds here on the Earth.

[A]

It's a storm of chaos and confusion. And I call it. I call it the beginning of what I call the Great Fire. Now, again, I'm not telling people that, you know, what we're in. Exactly. What we're seeing is exactly the full storm, but it is definitely the beginning of what I call the storm, because the storm is coming. And it's why I wasn't surprised with all the war in the Middle east right now. In fact, on my channel, a couple months before it happened, I told everyone, I said, guys, be very watchful, because the storm, we need to be very watchful of the chaos. But most importantly, it's all about confusion. So it's all the narratives, especially the mainstream media will throw out, man, they're just trying to get us distracted from the real purpose in life. Him. They're trying to get us to forget about him. Be so worried about the headlines, so caught up in what everyone else is talking about, and you forget the entire reason why you were given life.

[B]

That's cool, man. Well, guys, go check out 18 Days in Heaven. Gabe, this has been. This has been fun, man. What an amazing conversation. This is. What it's done for me that I didn't expect is it made so many scriptures come to life. There's so many things that you touched on that I'm like, scripture there. That's biblical. That's biblical. That's biblical. So thank you for that.

[A]

Thank you. It's an honor. And I also want to tell people there's a reason why I've actually, I've gone back and I've deleted a ton of my videos, especially before my accident. In fact, actually, I went back and I pretty much deleted almost every YouTube video I ever made before my accident.

[B]

Which ones in particular, which were a lot. Which were wrong about.

[A]

So I've been wrong about a lot of things, but I wasn't fully wrong.

[B]

Gotcha. Gotcha.

[A]

It was just like quarter turn off. Yeah. Like enough. Enough to be wrong. And so I think people do, especially now with my book coming out, they are really judging a lot of things. You know, the Google, the Reddit threads, you know, are kind of going wild right now. And I actually, my response is like, guys, first of all, if you want to reach out to me, let's do an interview, let's talk, and I'll tell you about all the things I was wrong on. But to go on specific, some things, this is not a God you work towards also. Okay, I'll talk About something. Money, specifically. I don't know why we teach God's grace and, like, God's salvation. God's gonna save you, and God's gonna give you grace. But then, like, if it's money, you have to give a certain amount. And if you don't give that certain amount, God's not gonna bless you, man. Like, your life's done for.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if you don't give a certain amount to this organization and let's give an offering message for, like, an hour long, and let's see how much we can pull out of the people. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's kind of sick. And so after coming back, I actually really started calling things like that out. And before I was. I was like, oh, you know, I would say things like, you know, don't touch the Lord's, and. But now I'm not afraid to call things out. And I don't manipulate scripture to work some agenda and say, like, don't dishonor your leaders. Well, I believe honoring leaders is speaking the truth. Right. Like, I don't believe in manipulating people. I don't believe in shakedowns. I don't believe God, some genie. I don't even believe prayer is like this, like, slot machine. Like, all right, let me work this prayer machine. Let me see what I can get out of God.

[B]

So a lot of what you learned was, like, tactical. Were there any big theological things that you're like, ooh, we're kind of off on that.

[A]

Theologically, the biggest thing was, was we are not because of our own ability, and we are not because of what we present. And I know we even teach, like, this, like, salvation by grace thing, but we still have a culture that is like, all right, you. You give your life to Jesus. But now we really need to see your life change, and we need to see you are. How often are you attending that chur? And what does your life look like? Is your life really saved? And let's see if I can really judge if you're a Christian or not. Like, we still. We are so focused on everything we present, and we've truly forgotten it's in him that we live and move and breathe and have our function. The Bible says in acts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I've seen that church and religion, especially in America, it's all about ourselves. And we go to these Sunday mornings to just feel good about ourselves and feel encouraged and feel better. And it's like the Christ, I saw him on the cross. He didn't die for one day of our week. He didn't die for some of our lives. He didn't even die for something. We just claim he died for our entire life, all of us. He can't take some of us. He doesn't. He wants it all. Dude.

[B]

Guys, go, go get your copy of 18 Days in Heaven. It's out now. I'm so excited to read this one. Thank you, bro. Thank you so much for being faithful to the call to share this. And you've gotten criticism, as anyone that says they're gonna, they went to heaven is gonna get criticism. But it's really cool that you don't care and because you've stood before him face to face. And so guys, go check it out. Go get the book. Follow Gabe. Where can they find you online?

[A]

Yeah, well, and I also say my testimony is not to be taken as biblical canon. Instead it's to be judged against scripture. And so I have an entire chapter in my book where I reference Daniel, Ezekiel, even Stephen, as he was being martyred in the book of Acts, had an encounter with a part of heaven as he was going up. Even the entire book of Revelation is John's encounter with Jesus that he lived to tell the story and of the heaven he saw. And so, so I challenge people. My testimony is only to encourage them back to scripture and it is not to be taken outside of scripture. And if there's anything I say that people are like that doesn't align with scripture, kick it out. I'm not bothered by that. Throw it to the trash. I am to be held accountable to scripture, so I welcome criticism. I even invite people that criticize me. I say, hey, interview me. Let's talk about it. So I welcome that people can find me on YouTube or Instagram. I still try to go through every one of my YouTube comments. So I tell them to comment, please let me know what they think of the book.

[B]

Let's go. Well, we'll link all that in the show notes and in the description. Gabe, thanks for being on the Jesus People podcast, man. What an honor. This was fun.

[A]

Thank you, man.

[B]

Alright guys, thanks for tuning in. We'll see you next week.