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Martin & Millicent: How Islam Is Quietly Reshaping the West | The Jesus People Podcast Episode 59
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Millicent Cedra
There's a Muslim there that recognizes Martin from social media, gets on the phone, starts making all these threats on. On his phone to intimidate us. And really, we're just. They're trying to intimidate us into silence. But this is why you can't intimidate a Christian into silence, is because God is the author of my life, and he decides how long I live. And no. No human being will ever stop us from speaking the truth of God's word. Because at the end of the day, even death itself does not make us afraid. Because you can't kill a Christian.
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Ryan
Amen.
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Millicent Cedra
We just change locations.
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Ryan
Amen.
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Millicent Cedra
Charlie Kirk, they didn't kill him. He's just now in the presence of God in heaven.
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Ryan
Guys, welcome to the Jesus People podcast. We've got the honor of having Martin and Millicent Cedra here. You guys are killers, man.
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Martin Cedra
I'm so excited. Thank you. It's an honor to be.
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Millicent Cedra
Honored to be you.
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Ryan
Yes.
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Martin Cedra
All the way from Australia. Flew 16 hours just to be here.
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Ryan
Can you feel the freedom?
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Martin Cedra
Yeah, man. Feel the freedom. Give me a gun. Someone give me a gun. I don't have guns in Australia. I need a gun right now.
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Ryan
Well, I mean, we could go hit a Ranger too.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't trust an Arab with a gun, but, yeah.
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Millicent Cedra
Feels like the promised land.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Millicent Cedra
You come off the plane, you just feel the.
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Martin Cedra
Feel God here, man.
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Millicent Cedra
You feel God and everybody, like. And every Uber we take, it's like.
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Martin Cedra
They'Re a Christian, someone's a Christian somewhere.
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Millicent Cedra
There's just Christians everywhere. I love it.
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Ryan
Wow. Well, you guys have an incredible ministry, an incredible church, an incredible online presence. It's like the Lord has clearly divinely put you two together because you guys are just. I mean, listen, you're like a firecracker, dude. You're, like, watching your stuff on social media. I'm just like, this lady is killing it. Like, you are going. You are charging enemy territory and your voice speaking and. And really illuminating the Western world about Islam. If you guys haven't seen the Cedras on social media, you need to leave this video. Go follow them. Millicent and Martin sedra on Instagram, YouTube, wherever it is, because you guys are trailblazers. You guys are eye openers. You are awakening people to really what is happening in the world and the threat of Islam. And I think a lot of people, we've found ourselves in this, you know, kind of wishy washy, postmodern society where we can't call out evil. And you Guys are just charging it. And so I'd love to hear a bit of your story.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah, man.
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Ryan
I'd love for you guys to talk a bit about your ministry now. We were chatting just in the kitchen earlier and hearing some of the threats you guys are facing, which is very real, especially in the wake of Charlie dying. Like, that's. It's very real. And so we want to be praying for the Cedras, all of us that are listening now. We need to cover you guys in prayer. But tell us, like, tell us the backstory. How did. How did two pistols come together?
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Martin Cedra
Yeah, man. Get married. And you want to go all the way from Egypt. Yeah. Well, let's go all the way from 1998. I was born in Egypt. Egypt, 1400 years ago was a Christian country. Egypt was 90% Christian, believe it or not. There was a historian that was writing about Egypt, and he said, I was traveling through Egypt from the Nile river to the bottom of Egypt. And he said, all I can hear. And he records this in his journals. He said, all I can hear was hymns and worship music and worship songs. And this shows you just how deep Christianity was in the roots of Egypt. And 1400 years ago, the Muslims came, conquered Egypt, killed the pastors, burned the churches, raised, raped the woman, took the children, made them Muslims, and now it's flipped. Now it's not 90% Christian anymore. It's 90% Muslim. So that's kind of the country we grew up in, me and my family.
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Millicent Cedra
When you say we, you don't mean me, not you.
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Martin Cedra
As you can tell, she's, you know, not Egyptian. Not Egyptian. But we grew up. Yeah, we grew up in Egypt. My dad was. His main ministry was to preach to Muslims and convert them to Christianity. It's very hard to plant a church in Egypt. They have a lot of regulations over where you can plant, how you can do it, how big the church is. So my dad decided, right, I'm going to take a different route, go with evangelism to the Muslims, which was pretty much committing suicide in a Muslim country under Sharia law, that's apostasy laws. If you leave Islam, you die, and the pastor or the Christian that converted you dies as well. So my dad's main ministry was to convert Muslims to Christianity. And he was seeing hundreds, if not thousands come to Christ. Women take their hijab off, repent of their sin. Muslim men come to Christ. And really, he was putting all our life in danger. We kind of. Our whole family was always getting death threats. People waiting outside of our House. Multiple stories of nearly dying for our faith. But really the pinnacle of our story comes when my dad converted a specific woman. He was having just, you know, a prayer meeting in his house, invited lots of Muslim people, a Muslim woman who happened to be sitting there in a hijab. And my dad was preaching Jesus the love of Christ. By the end of the meeting, she repents of her sin, she turns to Christianity, she leaves Islam. My dad doesn't know that her husband was a leader of a Muslim terrorist group. So he didn't know, he just thought she was a Muslim, ordinary woman. Her husband happens to be a Muslim leader in a terrorist group. And that guy finds out that someone preached to his wife and he's furious. Like, how dare this guy preach to my wife, convert to Christianity? He decides, I'm going to take revenge on the pastor. How? By killing his children. At the time, my brothers Andrew and John were 9 years old and 5. And he studied their movements. He studied that my brothers catch a school bus at seven in the morning. So he sent two men. And the plan was two men come in a van, seven in the morning to the bus stop, kidnap my brothers, behead them, put them in a bag, send them back to the front door of my dad's house to teach him a lesson. Don't preach Jesus again. And that's what Islam does. Anytime if you come against Islam, the sword of Muhammad will come to you, whether you like it or not. Whether it's a gun, a gun, a bomb, a knife, someone's going to come after you. So really, he sends two men, Muslim men in a van to the school bus. They see my Brothers Andrew, John, 5 and 9 at the bus stop. As they try to get out of the van, they feel frozen in the van, they can't get out. There's two Muslim men, they feel frozen in the van. My brothers get on a school bus, the school bus leaves. The two Muslim men unfreeze again. They look at each other. They're like, you coward. Like they think, you know, they're trained, like they've killed preachers, politicians before. To kill a five and a nine year old should be very easy. Yes. They can't do it. So they think they just frozen out of fear. They're like, you coward, you coward. The next day the boss is angry, so he sends two bigger Muslim men and he says, you finish a job. He sends two bigger Muslim men in a van. They see my brothers at the bus stop 7 in the morning. This time, the two Muslim men get out of the van. They're standing right behind my brothers at the school bus. And as they go to kidnap my brothers, bear in mind of five and nine, as they go to kidnap them, to behead them, they feel a supernatural hand, an angel tie their hands behind her back. So these two Muslim men don't know who it is or what's going on. They can't move. Both their hands are tied behind their head. They watch my brothers, my brothers get on a school bus. A school bus leaves and they unfreeze again. The two Muslim men now are in shock. They've this never happened before. They don't know what's going on. The Muslim leader, after hearing the story, he goes to my dad's house, knocks on the door. My dad opens the door, he's like, what are you doing here? He sits with him in the living room just like we're sitting now. He tells him the story. That's how we know the ins and out of the story. He says, I'll try to kill your kids and all these things. And he lands a story by saying, I've tried to kill your children, but your God protected them. And our Muslim Brotherhood leader becomes a Christian in the living room, turns from Islam, repents of his sin, and he's still a Christian today. He's actually living in America somewhere. We don't know where he is, but he's living in America now. And this is kind of the story we grew up in. And really what this story shows us is the God of the Bible is greater than Allah. Jesus Christ is stronger than Allah, he's stronger than Muhammad. All of Islam combined, the 2 billion Muslims around the world, they cannot stand against the God of the Bible. So that's kind of where we grew up in. Yeah, we moved to Egypt, we moved to Australia as refugees.
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Millicent Cedra
2007, he was meant to come to the USA but got rejected.
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Martin Cedra
We got rejected.
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Millicent Cedra
So thank you, Jesus.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah. Then he came to my house, Australia. And you tell them.
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Millicent Cedra
Well, I grew up in Christian, I grew up in church. Amazing prayer warrior parents, you know, they, you know how these days a lot of people say, you know, I don't want to force Christianity on my kids. I want, I want to let them decide. I'm not going to teach them the Bible, I'm not going to make them come to church. My parents were like, no, you're coming to church. If you're sick, grab a tissue, let's go, we're going. And I'm so grateful for that. I'm so grateful that my parents raised me in Those values. And so at 13 years old, I knew that. I knew from the age of 8 that all I wanted to do was preach his word. I don't know what that looked like or how, but I remember having an encounter with God when I was 8, and all I wanted to do was preach. And so basically for the next few years, I was just. Just reading his word, studying his word. And then at 13, Martin was preaching in front at Hillsong. It was like a Hillsong conference. He was preaching at. It was a youth conference, and he was preaching at years old because that's just what they do. Like, that's. That was the Sedra family. He had just seen how his dad would keep preaching in the face of death threats, in the face of all of this kind of stuff going to prison. And so that's what they do. They just preach. That's all they know. And so he would go into his school and, you know, start a lunchtime group, and there'd be 300 students in this public school hearing the gospel preached from this 13 year old. And so he was preaching, basically. And I saw him and I told my parents I'd met my husband at 13 years old. I knew straight away way, because I was not the type that was like, since the age of eight, I was not the type of like, oh, let's just do Christianity casually. Yeah, I'm like, I'm fully sold out. I'm all in. And so I was looking. I would not marry somebody that was not also sold in. Sold out and completely all in. And, you know, he had told me when we were 18, I don't know what our life would look like. He's like, we might never own a house. I don't know what country we'll end up in. We might be in India as preachers, as evangelists, I don't know. But we're sold out and we're doing whatever Jesus tells us. And I was like, done. That's exactly what I want too.
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Ryan
Let's go.
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Martin Cedra
And so we got married at 20. And yeah, now we've been married for eight years and one kid on the way. So, yeah, let's see what goes.
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Ryan
Have you announced is this year?
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Martin Cedra
No, we haven't announced it. Keeps.
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Millicent Cedra
Just announcing it casually.
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Martin Cedra
I keep announcing on podcasts. Fun. Yeah.
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Millicent Cedra
Maybe our announcement can be just like.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah, we can put all the clips.
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Millicent Cedra
Together of you just saying.
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Martin Cedra
You're right, actually. Let's do that. That's a good idea.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
So we're having a baby, guys. Let's go pray. It doesn't look like.
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Ryan
Congratulations.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah, thank you, man. Yeah, yeah. So we're really. Yeah, man, we're really here to. Well, hold on.
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Ryan
First of all, that kid is going to be a firecracker. Holy smokes.
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Martin Cedra
Amen.
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Ryan
The DNA of both of you guys. The spirit of both you guys into one child.
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Martin Cedra
Amen. Amen. I'm praying for a preacher.
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Ryan
Yes. Oh, you're going to get one, dude.
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Martin Cedra
Amen. Amen. No man. So we're here, we're really here to warn the west about the dangers of Islam because the lie is at the moment, Ryan, is Islam is a religion of peace. And this word or this term of Islam, the religion of peace is a very new term. About 1970, 1980, the Muslims realize, all right, we're not going to conquer the west through violence. It's not going to work that way. So we need to change our strategy. So they begin calling it Islam, the religion of peace. And they said it over and over again. And now this is kind of the story around Islam. But we all know Islam is not a religion of peace. I mean, when you look at Islam and the fruits of Islam, Islam is a religion of war, violence and terror. And this is not some radical Islam. This is the origin of Islam. When he studied the origin, I think that's where you kind of wanted to go, right? Islam, that when he studied the origins of Islam. For all my listeners who don't know Islam because a lot of people don't know what Islam is. So Judaism, obviously, 3,000 year old religion, they're waiting the Messiah. They think the Messiah is going to come on a horse, a chariot to save them from, you know, their oppressors and the Romans as a conqueror. Jesus comes born of a Virgin Mary 2000 years ago. He comes born in Bethlehem in a manger at the age of 30. He claims to be God. And the Jews are like, no, you're not God. Some Jews believe that turns into Christianity. Christianity is birthed. We believe that Jesus is the Messiah. He is the son of God. He's God in the flesh. Emmanuel. God with us now, 570 years later, after the birth of Jesus Christ. Bear in mind, Jesus died, he rose again. Christianity has exploded all throughout the world through persecution and now Christianity is really blowing up. 570 AD so 570 years after the birth of Jesus, a guy by the name of Muhammad is born in Mecca. He's born as an, he's actually an orphan. He doesn't, his parents are not around. He's raised by his uncle or Someone in his family. And at the age of 46, 10 A.D. he sees Angel Gabriel or he thinks it's Angel Gabriel in a cave. And apparently Angel Gabriel tells him, hey, the Christians, the Jews, they're all wrong. You know how the Christians believe in Jesus as God? That's wrong. You know, the Christians believe that, you know, Jesus died on a cross. That's wrong. And Muhammad pretty much in Mecca, he starts going around to the Jews and everyone around him and tell him, guys, you're wrong. I got the new revelation. No one believes this guy. For 12 years he lives in Mecca and preaches this message of Islam. No one likes him. No one believes in his message. In fact, in 12 years of evangelizing about Islam, he only converts about 10 to 100 followers. So Jesus in three years, like thousands, tens of thousands of people follow him. Muhammad in the span of 12 years, converts about 100 people. And that's where you know, a lot of verses in the Quran, they're about peace. So a lot of verses in the Quran, a lot of Muslims bring it up. They're like, you know, this verse says, tolerate the unbeliever, Love them, be peaceful. All these verses about peace come in the first 12 years of Muhammad's life where he's peaceful because he doesn't have a following in Mecca. That's what they call the Meccan period. The Meccan period is the peaceful season of Islam. Then Muhammad, after 12 years, decided, it's not working. I'm going to move to Medina. He migrates to Medina. After he goes to Medina, that's when the whole message flips. He becomes a political leader. He starts killing people, going into caravans, towns and cities, butchering people, telling them, convert to Islam or you die. And that's really how Islam spread. Islam did not spread by conversion. They spread by, hey, convert or you're going to die. So Christianity spread through the blood of the martyrs. Islam spread through the blood of its enemies. So that's kind of the different. That's the origin of Islam. So the origin of Christianity is we have Christ who died on the cross for us, loved us, died for our sins, for the sake of the world. Islam, their origin is our founder went around killing people. So let's just do the same thing. Yeah, so that's kind of the, the origins, if you want, or the foundations of Islam. So when people find, you know, Muslims and killing Christians or killing people in Nigeria, that's not radical Islam, that's just normal Islam. That's kind of the faithful Islam. You know, when you see, kind of people, people always say, but I have a nice Muslim friend.
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Millicent Cedra
Right.
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Martin Cedra
And they always say, not all Muslims are violent. And it's true. I like to say this way, not all musl Muslims.
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Ryan
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
There's many post peaceful Muslims. We have very nice.
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Ryan
Well, even in South Nigeria, the Muslims and the Christians live in peace. It's just.
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Martin Cedra
Exactly.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
So. And that's the thing. It's true. There's a lot of nice Muslims. I had a lot of nice Muslim friends in, in school that I grew up with. And the thing is, I like to say this way, not all Muslims are violent, but all Islam is violent. It's the same as Christianity. Not all Christians are holy, but Christianity is holy.
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Millicent Cedra
Wow.
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Martin Cedra
So when you see a Christian in the street, get drunk, you know, not go to church, not go to church.
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Millicent Cedra
Not read the Bible.
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Martin Cedra
Not read the Bible, sleep with his girlfriend, cheat on his wife, you're like, that guy's not a Christian. Yeah. He's not following the Bible.
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Ryan
It's not an indictment on the crux of the religion.
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Millicent Cedra
No.
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Ryan
But it's saying, okay, the crux of this religion is fundamentally peace, is humble yourself.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
And you will be elevated. The crux of the religion of Islam.
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Millicent Cedra
Yes.
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Ryan
Is kill to conquer, to take territory.
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Millicent Cedra
And you have to judge both books. So, like, you can't look at every single Christian and say, that's Christianity, because you have lukewarm Christians, you have faithful Christians that are living righteous according to the book. And you have to judge Christianity by the book.
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Ryan
Yes.
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Millicent Cedra
And you have to judge Islam by the Quran. It's the same story.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah. So you're judged by the book and the founder. So the book says. So. So our book, Jesus said, love your enemies.
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Ryan
Yes.
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Martin Cedra
Muhammad says, kill your enemies. Yes. Right. Jesus, before he died, said, oh, actually so. So Muhammad says, kill the infidel. Jesus said, love your enemies. Muhammad, before he died, one of his last words were, may Allah curse the Jews and the Christians. Jesus on the cross before he died said, father, forgive them for they don't know what they do.
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Ryan
And I think people need to recognize too. Like these are literal, like literal verses in the Quran. Like kill the Jew, kill the Christian is a direct quote.
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Martin Cedra
This is not. Yeah, exactly.
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Ryan
So you're not mincing.
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Martin Cedra
No, we're not.
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Ryan
This is what it is.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah. And we're not, by the way, isolated a text. Like we're not misinterpreting it.
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Ryan
Right.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah. This is actually what it says.
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Millicent Cedra
Because look at the application of it that they're doing it today. So it's not a misinterpretation. You have terrorism today. Because they're interpreting those verses rightly.
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Martin Cedra
And, and by the way, these Muslims are very faithful. Like that Muslim in Bond, the two Muslims in Bondi beach that killed the Jews. They were very faithful Muslims. They were actually obeying the book to the tea. And anyone who condemned this guy is not really a Muslim. Muhammad, that's what he did. He went around killing people for a l. He was a political leader that established Islam by the sword. That is like one of the signs, one of the symbols of Christianity. The symbol of Christianity is a cross, right? The symbol of Islam is a sword.
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Millicent Cedra
Is a sword.
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Martin Cedra
So when you look at the symbols, you're like, okay, this is so like, it makes complete sense why a lot of the Muslims like flags, Islamic flags around the world have a sword. That's what their prophet did. Our Christ carried a cross. Their founder carried a sword. Our founder, Jesus Christ carried a cross on his back. In fact, he touched a leper, healed the sick, raised the dead. Muhammad literally killed the living. Like Jesus raised the dead, Muhammad killed the living. It's the comparison.
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Millicent Cedra
Jesus said, he who lives by the.
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Martin Cedra
Sword would die by the sword.
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Ryan
He was pierced by a sword.
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Martin Cedra
He was pierced, literally did not do the piercing. No, no.
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Millicent Cedra
And many people don't know how the revelation came to Muhammad. Like a lot of people don't know that when Muhammad received the revelation from Go and had this encounter with this angel, he himself stated afterwards that he felt like jumping off a mountain and killing himself. So he was suicidal. Like we, when. When God encounters us as Christians, we feel at peace. How do we even judge whether it's the enemy speaking to us versus it's God? It's the sense of peace we feel when God speaks to us. So that should tell you as a Christian that if somebody receives a revelation from God that leaves them feeling possessed by a demon, which is actually what he said. He said I might be possessed by demon. It leaves him feeling suicidal. Muhammad said that leaves him feeling suicidal.
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Ryan
Wait, that's in the Quran.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah, he literally was. He had multiple suicide attempts off a mountain.
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Millicent Cedra
Because of this encounter with the angel Gabriel.
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Martin Cedra
After seeing the angel Gabriel and told him apparently the new revelation of Islam, he literally is hiding. He's hiding. He thinks it's a demon. And his wife Khadija, who was older than him, this older rich widow who funded him because he was a poor guy, he didn't have money to do what he wanted to do. She's the one that convinces him, actually. You saw an angel. When we see an angel in the Bible, visit Mary or visit anybody, he says, do not be afraid.
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Ryan
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
You don't go shaking after, you know.
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Ryan
Well, and even on this podcast, we've had a lot of people that have come from the new age. We've had a lot of people that have come from, I don't know, worshiping demons. The former head of the church, Satan, was on the podcast. We've had so many people that have been in that dark place. And what you just described, that the revelation Muhammad got, I'm like, that is so in line with every single encounter that I've heard. Demonic encounter, where they present themselves in the new age, you know, psychics, they're seeing these angelic beings. And then when they come to know Jesus and they say, reveal yourself in the name of Jesus.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
They've got blood coming out of their eyes, but they were masquerading as angels of light.
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Millicent Cedra
Exactly, yeah.
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Martin Cedra
And how do you know Islam is demonic? Islam loves death. Death. Islam loves death. It hinges on killing infidels. Infidels, by the way, for anyone who doesn't know infidels is pretty much anyone who's not a Muslim, you're an infidel. Infidel is like, you are the. The dirt of the earth. You are disgusting. According to the Quran. In fact, Muhammad. Muhammad, when he speaks about Christians or Jews, were described as apes and pigs. So Hitler, what did he. Hitler hated the Jews, so he put propaganda up against the wall and all over. He made the Jews look like rats. So he changed the psychology of the nation to view the Jews as rats. So when they gassed the Jews or killed the Jews, they didn't feel like they were killing a human, they were killing a rat. So Muhammad, that's exactly what he did. And I'm sure Hitler got his idea from Muhammad. Muhammad doesn't call us rats, he calls us apes and pigs. And what's an ape and a pig? You're not worthy of anything. It's not imago dei, you know, made in the image of God. It's a. Margot Porse made an image of a pig. And that's why when. When you see on October 7th, when. When. When Hamas killed, butchered, raped, mutilated, you know, girls, legs off and. And. And put babies in ovens.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
And as they did that, they shouted, allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar, by the way, means our God is greater. My God is greater. So they're killing people on October 7 while shouting Allahu Akbar. They're raping women while shouting Allah Akbar. They're putting babies in oven while shouting Allah Akbar. They're stabbing, beheading Christians, 21 Christians, Coptic Christians. And you know when they line them up on the beach and they put the orange suits on.
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Ryan
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
They beheaded them. What did they say? Allahu Akbar. Why? That's what Allah wants them to do. He wants them to kill the infidels. So this is how you know it's demonic. The Bible, John 10:10 says the thief comes to kill, steal and destroy.
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Ryan
Right.
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Martin Cedra
That's what Islam does. Kill, steal and destroy. It's very. It's a parallel of hell. It's a parallel of demons. It's a parallel of evil.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
And you guys are Australian, but you're coming to America, and you were telling me something interesting earlier, that America really is the last frontier and it is moving the culture globally. What is your concern for America?
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Martin Cedra
Yeah, man. America is slowly getting Islamized. America slowly getting Islamized. And. And this is. America is messing around with. With Islam. And they think Islam is here to coexist and, you know, just live among the Christians and the Jews and the Hindus and the atheists. Islam does not coexist with anybody. They have. There's a teaching in Islam. It's called dahr al harb or dahr al salam. The meaning of that is house of war or house of peace. So the way Islam views nations is they either view it as in two ways, there's two categories. It's a house of war or a house of peace. It can only be a house of peace once it's Muslim. But unless it's Muslim, unless it's Muslim, it's called dahr al harb, which means the house of war. So what America needs to understand is when. When, When. When a real Muslim comes to America, they don't view this country as a blessed nation. They view this country as a house of war. And until it becomes Muslim, it is war for us. It is warfare. And that's why the Islamization of America. You see, the mayor of New York City, Zohar Mamdani, is a Muslim. The mayor of Deepwood, Michigan, a Muslim. The mayor of St. Louis Park, a Muslim. The mayor candidate of Minneapolis, a Muslim. And this is what you call the Islamization of the West. Islam knows we cannot conquer America by the sword. They can't. For 1400 years, Islam has conquered countries by the sword. Egypt, my country, was Christian. They killed them by the sword. It became Christian. It became Muslim overnight. Yemen was Christian. It became Muslim overnight. Sudan was Christian. Became Muslim overnight. Morocco was Christian and became Muslim overnight. How? The sword. Islam looked at America and they thought, we can't conquer this country. Their nuclear weapons are stronger than ours. Their army is stronger than us. Their White House, their Pentagon. There is no way Muslims will be able to conquer America by the sword. So they changed their strategy. Let's go bit by bit. Let's start with immigration. Let's come in bit by bit. Let's slowly introduce halal food. You know, you see halal food everywhere. That's Islamizing a country. You slowly see hijabs everywhere. That's phase one. Then they go to phase two. Phase two, they begin to pray in the streets like New York City. This is the Islamizing of the Islamization of America.
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Ryan
Is this written down? Is this like an absolute.
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Martin Cedra
No, this is. I kind of want to break it up. The Muslim Brotherhood have pattern. Yeah. It's patterns. How they conquer Europe. Right. Remember, Europe was the hub of Christianity. Europe had revivals. John Wesley.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah, it's fallen, right?
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Martin Cedra
It's fallen like one of the most common baby names. Actually, the most common baby name now in London is Muhammad. So it's being Islamized. And how did they start the Islamizing of America? Phase one, you come as peaceful. You're the victim. You come as immigrants. I need help. I need welfare. You come in the country, you introduce halal food. The woman where hijabs. And it's like, you know what? Let's just coexist. Then we go to phase two. Phase two is like. Phase two is kind of a little bit more aggressive in public now. They're gathering in larger groups, like thousands. Like New York City, Thousands of Muslims are gathering, praying in the street. They're now getting in political spheres like Zohar Mamdani. They're becoming a little bit more public.
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Millicent Cedra
Oh, it wasn't it at LA LAX airport where one of the shops was just playing the Quran out loud so. So that you could hear as you're walking by. That'd be stage two.
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Martin Cedra
That's kind of stage two. Islamizing. Let's slowly do it. New York City, you have, you know, food trucks playing the Quran out loud bit by bit. Then you go to phase three. Phase three is where the UK is at right now. Phase three, they get very aggressive. They begin get to get violent. Terrorist attacks increase. So Sydney would be going into phase three right now. Knife attacks increase. The knife attacks in the U.K. is horrendous. Rape cases increase. The U.K. europe has had 200,000 rape cases in the last 200 years, sorry, in the last 20 years, 200 thousand rape cases in the last 20 years by Pakistani Muslims. So that's phase three. Rape cases increase, terrorist attacks increase. And then you go to phase four. Phase four is now kind of where no one is there yet, except obviously Afghanistan and all the Muslim countries. Now Christians are called the infidels. Churches are burnt, pastors are killed, women are raped, children become Muslim. So my warning to America is if you don't wake up, you're going to be Islamized. And America have this pride. Americans can sometimes be proud for, you know, my country. And it's good to be proud of your country, but don't let it turn into, into arrogance in a sense where you become ignorant to the fact that Islam is a religion, is a conquering religion. Islam conquest countries for a living, and for 1400 years they've conquered countries. So Muhammad, after He died, within 100 years of his death, Islam conquered, conquered 50 to 60% of the Christian world.
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Ryan
Wow.
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Martin Cedra
So, yeah, if you, if America thinks, you know, Islam's not going to conquer me, that's just arrogance. Egypt thought that and they were conquered. Yemen thought that, they were conquered. Morocco thought, and I will conquer the UK thought that and they're being conquered.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
So America needs to really wake up or you're not going to be Christian anymore.
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Millicent Cedra
I do think that as one as well. One thing I hear a lot of Americans say, and it's one thing I love about Americans is it's like, you guys value freedom so much. And I hear a lot of Americans say, but, you know, freedom of religion, we have to give them freedom to believe what they want. And of course that's true.
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Ryan
Yeah.
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Millicent Cedra
But there has to be boundaries and a line because you can't give freedom of religion to a religion that does not believe in freedom of religion. This is the, this is the problem, is that Islam doesn't believe in freedom of religion. They don't believe in the separation of mosque and state. They don't believe that you can be a Muslim but then decide, oh, actually, I don't. I don't believe in this God, I want to leave. No. Well, you're going to be killed because you're an apostate. Now you're committing apostasy. And so this is what I think I love about America. But I can see how Islam is going to. They're going to violate. It's this beautiful. We want to give freedom of religion and there has to be wisdom and discernment to the. Giving it to the people who want to conquer your religion. Like that's their mandate. Our Great Commission is to go into all the world, preach the gospel, baptize. That's our mandate as Christians, their mandate is to go and conquer the world and make everybody be Muslim by force. Because people say, doesn't Islam mean peace? Like that's what Islam means. It means peace. It means peace by submission.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Millicent Cedra
So yes, the goal for the Muslim is peace, meaning Allah is worshiped by everyone. But the, the means to get that peace, according to them, is submission. You must submit or you die.
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Martin Cedra
So that's a deceiving thing about the word Islam. They say Islam means peace. No, it doesn't. Salam means peace. So Islam, it's kind of two words. Salam is peace, but when you put the eye in front of it, Islam, it's peace through submission. So there's only peace if you submit to my religion. So if you don't become a Christian, there's no peace. Brother, if you don't convert to Islam, there's no peace. It's sword, Submit, pay tax or submit to Islam. Pay tax or we're going to kill you. That's kind of Islam for you. You know what I mean?
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Ryan
Dang.
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Millicent Cedra
And I, I find the reason this is happening is because the reason Islam is able to conquer a nation like, you know, the uk, like Australia and America, if we don't, if they don't wake up is because the Christians have been saying for so long, because of secularism, we should just be quiet about our faith, we'll be quiet about our beliefs. We shouldn't get involved in politics. Shouldn't get involved in politics because politics is the realm of the devil. I'm like, yeah, only if you give it to him. Like Christians are called to politics. Some Christians are called. That's their calling. That's their mandate. When you look throughout the Bible, so many of the heroes of faith were even, were either politicians themselves or they were going up to politicians and telling them repent. Like John the Baptist going up, losing his head for that, Daniel going up to the king. They were either politicians or advising politicians because God is supposed to reign in a nation. And According to Romans 13, the government is supposed to be a servant of God. That's what the role of government is, to be a servant of God and to punish the wrongdoing, wrongdoer. So the point of government is to administer justice in order to keep God's moral standard of a nation. And so when the government is no longer doing that and getting rid of God's Standard of morality. The Christians are supposed to rise up and say, actually, no. So, for example, in the west, what's happening is the government is taking upon God's role, which is, for example, defining the value of human life. Only God gets to do that. That is not the job of Caesar to define the value of human life. Their job is to punish anyone who comes against the value of human life. And murders. They're supposed to punish that. But now Caesar is saying, oh, it's actually our job. Caesar is redefining marriage. And what we're seeing now is we've got a lot of secularists who are telling us, as Christians, we don't want to hear what the Bible says about abortion. We don't want to hear what the Bible says about marriage. Keep your little book to yourself. Here's the problem, though. If you don't have the Bible as the standard of morality, as the basis of a nation, there has to be a standard. There has to be somebody saying, here is the standard of morality to govern the nation. And if it's not Christianity, it will be Islam. What else is it going to be? It can be atheism. If you want North Korea, if you want China, if that's the kind of world you want to live, you want to live in the Soviet Union, then you can have an atheist worldview which says that you have no inherent value. You're just a clump of selves. You're just a cosmic accident. And in an atheist worldview, people end up being abused because we have no inherent value. So we can have atheism if we want. We can have Islam where we said there is no separation of mosque and state. You will be forced to bow down. Women, by the way, are completely oppressed under Islam. You can go Islam or you can rise up and say, as we should, Christianity should be the foundation of the nation. If it's not Christianity, I don't want to live in that nation. I do believe that the Bible is the greatest standard for morality. I 100% believe that. Because they try to use this slur against us as though it's some sort of criticism. Criticism. You know, you're a Christian nationalist. I do believe the Bible is the greatest basis of morality for a nation. I wholeheartedly believe that.
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Ryan
Right, absolutely.
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Millicent Cedra
And if we don't say that, Islam will take over, and that's why it's taken over in the uk, I believe.
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Martin Cedra
And by the way, if you guys saw, Zohari just got sworn in as mayor of New York City, and he swore on The Quran. He didn't swear it in the Bible. He sworn on the Quran. What's interesting about this is he swore on the Quran to protect and build New York, to protect the people of New York. When that book that he got sworn on, the book, the Quran, that book that he swore on commands him to hate the people of New York. So he sworn on the Quran saying, oh, you know, I'm gonna, you know, build New York. I'm gonna take care of them. I'm gonna be a great mayor of the people of New York. Acting like he loves the people of New York. That book you just swore on commands you to kill the people of New York. Because the people of New York, there's Jews living there, there's Christians living there, there's gays living there, and there's atheists living there. And this is what the. The trans community and the LGBTQ need to understand. When the trans say, you know, trans for Mamdani or gays for Madani, or, you know, trans for Palestine, you are gays for Gaza, you are literally voting in your own death. Like, this is what they need to understand. Homosexuals. According to the Quran, homosexuals are thrown off buildings in Muslim countries. Transgenders are stoned to death in Muslim countries. So when people say, you know, I want a Muslim mayor Zohra Mamdani, I love this guy. I'm like, really? You love that guy? If that guy is a true Muslim, he should hate you. If that guy's a true Muslim, he shouldn't care about you. And this is what people say. They say, but there's some nice Muslims. There's a lot of kind Muslims. There's a lot of peaceful Muslims. Zohar Mabdani's nice guy. And this is where the really, the danger of this dangerous teaching in Islam they call taqiyah. I'm not sure if you. If you recognize that word or if you've heard about that word. There's a dangerous teaching in Islam called taqiyah. Taqiyah is a teaching in Islam where a Muslim is allowed to lie to a non Muslim for the sake of spreading Islam. So the Muslims are not allowed to lie to Muslims, but you're allowed to lie to non Muslims. If you feel like the mission of Islam is under danger. If you feel like you're in danger or the mission of Allah and Islam is in danger, you're allowed to lie. So in Spain, when Islam was conquering Spain, there was a time in history where the Christians were the majority and the Christians kind of were trying to Take payback against the Muslims. So they were being a bit harsh in that time. So there was half a million Muslims living in that country, and a half a million Muslims decided where there's no way we're going to conquer Spain. There's no way we're going to conquer Spain unless we lie. So what they did overnight, 500,000 Muslims, half a million Muslims converted to Christianity, got baptized and took communion in the church. Lying to the pastors and to the country that we're now Christians. Why did they do that? Because they know if we don't lie, Islam can't spread. So what they do is they lie until they have the power. So Zahra Mamdani, Zohar Hamdani is either not a Muslim, like he's a Luke or Muslim and he's not really practicing Islam or he's practicing Takiya. Because when he says, I love the Jews, really love the Jews, because according to your Quran, you should hate the Jews. Really love the Christians because according to the Quran, you should kill the Christians. You love the trans and the gays. Really, you should kill those guys. So I really hope Zoroam and Dani is just a lukewarm Muslim, but he might be practicing Takia.
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Ryan
Why is it that the LGBTQ community has adopted Islam?
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Martin Cedra
Oh, so the thing is, you know that that famous quote, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Yeah, that you know, the enemy. So. So the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I might unite with an enemy in order to destroy another enemy. So the, the common factor that, and this is unholy alliance between the left and Islam is both of them hate Christ.
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Millicent Cedra
Exactly.
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Martin Cedra
Both of them hate Christianity. Both of them hate the Bible. Both of them hate holiness. Both of them hate anything that's in the Bible. So the Islamists and the leftists are combining. Let's take Christ out of culture, let's take the Bible out of schools. And that's what they don't understand. This is what the leftists don't understand, is once the Islamists take away Christianity, they're coming for the leftists. And this is the way we say it. The Muslims holy day is Friday. So they pray on Friday. That's their holy day. The Jews holy day is Saturday. That's their Sabbath. The Christians holiday is Sunday. That's our church. The day Jesus was resurrected. The atheist holiday or the leftist holiday is Monday. That's when they build their empire and they make money. And the way you say it kind of this is a sequence for the Muslims, the people of Friday, the Muslims kill the people of Saturday, the Jews. Once they kill the people of Saturday, the Jews, who's next? The people of Sunday, the Christians. And once the people of Friday kill the people of Sunday, the Christians, who's next? Once the Jews and the Christians are out of the way, here comes the people of Monday. That's the atheists, the trans, and anybody who's not a Jew or a Christian. So this is what the leftists need to understand. The Muslims are only combining with the leftists because the people of Saturday and Sunday, the Christians and the Jews are in their way. Once we get out of the way, you're next. Once we get out of the way, the gays are going to get killed, the trans are going to get killed, and the feminists are going to get killed. So we're really the only people. The Jews and the Christians are the only people standing in the way of the Muslims going after the gays and the trans and the feminists.
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Millicent Cedra
And it's a strategy. You can find videos of imams saying that the greatest thing for them is having a progressive, a progressive nation, because they know when the progressives are saying, you know, LGBTQ promoting this movement so that we're basically, we're not. They're not able to multiply. The lgbt, Adam, Adam and Steve can't have babies. So they're thriving off the fact that our. Our replacement rate is so low because we're not having babies as a nation because of the LGBTQ community. Then we have abortion. So we have a lot of women that are killing their own babies in the womb because of empowerment and feminism. And I'm an entrepreneur and I'm going to live my own life and do my own thing. And a baby is a burden. So in the west, in a progressive west, we see babies not as a gift from the lord, as Psalm 127 says, but we see them as a burden, as a hindrance. They hold us back from our dreams and ambitions. And so we're not having babies. We have. The LGBTQ is also not having babies. They can't multiply. Then we have trans ideology that is literally castrating young men. So they basically, we're in a state of Babylon with progressive ideologies. We're in a state of Babylon and that Islam loves that because that is their opportunity to overtake Christianity. They know that they have the fastest growing religion not because of conversion, but because of procreation. They know that. They know that in a progressive world that does not value family, that does not value. And the other thing that, you know, Charlie Kirk used to talk about this a lot. He said, like, the reason the enemy is after families is because when a man has a family he's fighting for, he's going to stand up against every pit of hell that the enemy tries to throw at him. And so that's why the enemy comes against families. So that's why Islam is rejoicing.
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Martin Cedra
So Islam, by the way, is the fastest growing religion right now. They are the fastest growing religion. And this is. This should sound alarm bells in the whole Christian world, because stop with your spiritual stuff and all. Like, I believe in the spiritual stuff stuff, but we got to get to the facts. Why is Christianity not our growth? Why is Christianity not the fastest growing religion? We have the Holy Spirit on our side. We can have revival. We got babies. There's a lot of ways.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
And there's a lot of reasons why Islam is the fastest growing religion. Number one, they're killing our Christians. You went to Nigeria. They're killing our Christian. That's a fact. Number two, they got apostasy law. So there's a lot of Muslims converted to Christianity, but they don't write it on the census because if they do, they're going to get killed by the family of their own. But the main issue is the babies. One. The Muslims multiplying. They are having lots of babies. The. The. The. The.
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Millicent Cedra
They laugh at the fact that women abort their babies. They're like, you're crazy, because they understand that. How do you grow Islam? It's through babies. They are laughing at the west, women.
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Ryan
What's. What's becoming so clear to me right now hearing you guys talk is the death cult has aligned. The death cult of lgbtq. You cannot procreate abortion. The. The leftist, love abortion, lgbtq, trans, where you're castrating young men and women and Islam by the sword.
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Martin Cedra
Yep. You know, those four.
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Millicent Cedra
Exactly.
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Ryan
Is the death cult now, and why are they opposing Western ideals that are founded on Christianity? Because Christianity is about life.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah, that's it.
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Ryan
And so really, that's it. It says, in the last days, the lights need light, and the dark's gonna get really dark. And right now, we're seeing the wheat separate from the. The tears. Yeah, right now. And we're seeing a death cult go after what really is a religion of peace and life.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
In Jesus, I've come to give life and life to the fullest. So right now, there is a cosmic battle going on. I'm sure the. The demons look very similar among those four groups.
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Martin Cedra
100. Well, they all have one mission. There's no, by the way, like, some, you know, half evil and a lot of evil. It's all of. There's darkness and light. Christianity and Christian is the light. And every other category falls in darkness. Islam, leftism, transgenderism, feminism, all that stuff. And they all hate Christianity. They just want to destroy Christ. They're all standing in the crowd shouting, crucify him. Crucify him. Like, that's really what they're all shouting. The feminist movement is standing in the crowd. The Jezebel spirit is standing in the crowd. The Islamist spirit is standing in the crowd. The Planned Parenthood spirit is standing in the crowd. Every ideology is standing in that crowd. And Christianity standing there in front of the judgment seat. And they're all shouting, crucify him. That's really what they're doing. Kill Christ, kill Christianity. Take down the churches. Remove the Bible. Let's get rid of Christ.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
And the. The good news is. The good news is Christ doesn't lose. That's the good news. The good news is Jesus didn't send a grave. Heroes from the dead. We're good at the end. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. Muhammad will bow. Planned Parenthood found out what's her name?
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
Margaret Sanger is going to bow before the throne of Christ and to get sent to hell. Weeping and ashing of teeth. Every. Every religion, every false prophet, every demonic movement is going to bow the foot of Christ. The problem is now is do we wait for that victory or do we fight for that victory? We can't wait. This is a problem with a lot of Christians. Jesus will come back. We'll wait. No, you don't wait. If Christ wanted to. If Christ. If. If Christ didn't want you to do something on earth, he would have taken you to heaven. Now we got a lot of work to do. We got a church to build. We've got families to build. We got children to raise. We got a God to serve, and we've got a gospel to preach.
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Ryan
Many of you guys know I just got back from Nigeria, where I was visiting with the persecuted church in the north. People who had fled their homes, who had been burned, who had been shot in the face, who had been displaced. And I saw things that have changed me forever. I witnessed faith, a Christianity that I had never seen before. And my faith was rocked. And so what I did is I put together a documentary and we're hosting the International Night of Prayer for the persecuted church this February 25th. My ask of you Guys, is this. There's a link in the description or in the show notes. I would ask you, would you gather your people, whether it's your spouse, your small group, your friends, your church for this night on February 25th, where we're gonna come together, we're gonna pray, pray. We're going to meet some practical needs and then we're going to discuss what is this faith that we're seeing here and how can we implement this in our own lives. So would you watch, pray, gather and discuss this February 25th? It would mean a lot for me if you could click that link. We will send you everything you need to know. We'll send you instructions, we'll send you PDF guides, we'll send you the link to the video. It would mean so, so much for me, guys, if you could join us in prayer this February 25th. I think the problem is we've gotten really cool, comfortable, because what you were sharing earlier, the threats that you're receiving. Talk a little bit about that because you guys are charging this right now and it doesn't come without a cost.
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Martin Cedra
No. Yeah, tell them what happened a few weeks ago.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah, well, just the day after the Bondi attacks, me and Martin just at the shops, you know, a nice shopping center. And then, you know, like five probably 20 year old Muslim young men are following us through the shopping center, intimidating us, walking, they're following us through three flights of stairs, making sure they know that they're watching us. We get messages all the time, death threats all of the time. You know, we were just at the doctors having our checkup scans. All of that. Supposed to be a nice, you know, moment. We're having our pregnancy checkups and you know, there's a Muslim there that recognizes Martin from social media, gets on the phone, starts making all these threats on, on his phone to intimidate us. And really we're just, they're trying to intimidate us into silence. But this is why you can't intimidate a Christian into silence, is because God is the author of my life and he decides how long I. And no human being will ever stop us from speaking the truth of God's word. Because at the end of the day, even death itself does not make us afraid. Because you can't kill a Christian.
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Ryan
Amen.
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Millicent Cedra
We just change locations.
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Ryan
Amen.
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Millicent Cedra
Charlie Kirk, they didn't kill him. He's just now in the presence of God in heaven. And so that's why as Christians, we cannot fear. And that is why Christianity has always multiplied because of persecution. I think that you've probably seen this in the States. We have definitely seen revival ever since the death of Charlie Kirk. You know, our church that we weekend doubled in attendance, and it's been full ever since. And I was thinking about this. Why is it that persecution always leads to revival? You know that Tertullian, how he said the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church. Why? Why does persecution lead to revival? And I believe it's because. I don't know about you, but on that day, the day after Charlie Kirk, I woke up with one question on my mind. And that question was, am I willing to die for this? I just saw somebody. I saw a video of someone die for the truth that they spoke. Die for the sake of God. And so I woke up with one question, am I willing to die for this? And that is why I believe persecution leads to revival. Because anybody who's sitting on the fence, who has been lukewarm in their faith, who's been too comfortable in their Christianity, they're out. Yeah, if my life is on the line, I'm out of Christianity. I'm not willing to go all the way. If I wasn't even willing to live for God, I'm not going to be willing to die for God. And so what we're seeing now is no matter what kind of persecution comes our way, no matter what threats we get, I believe on a macro scale, we will see Christianity flourish more and more. We will multiply more and more because we will wake up and remember. What we always should have remembered as Christians is that we should never fear anything for the sake of speaking truth. You can unfollow me, you can hate me, you can send me mean comments. Nothing is going to stop me from preaching the truth because I know whose I am and I know where I'm going.
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Martin Cedra
Amen.
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Ryan
Amen. Yeah, we were just in Nigeria, like. Like you alluded to, and we were able to connect with Ezekiel Dachimo. They call the Voice of Nigeria, Nigeria's pastor. He's one of the only ones speaking up because they kill him. If you speak up as a pastor in Nigeria and speak out against the violence, they will kill you. But he's gotten too big now, and so you can't kill him because then he becomes an international martyr. And so the government has literally attached armed security to him because they don't want him dying. But guess what happened? I get back from the trip. I connected with Ezekiel. He came in the middle of the night. We did a podcast in an undisclosed location. Snuck him in to the capital in Abuja and we did a podcast in the middle of the night. And I get home and I'm messaging with him and I say, hey, send me all your clips. I'm going to edit your clips. I'm going to send like, I'll send them to your son. We're going to, we're going to, we're going to get this, this news out there. The next day I get all these missed calls from him and I'm like, oh, something just happened. So I got on the phone with him. They banned him off Facebook. The next day we start an Instagram account for him, start posting. I post on my story, hey, go follow Ezekiel. They just banned him off Facebook. The next day they banned him off Instagram. So the question becomes, why don't they just kill him? Because that's not as powerful as silencing him. If you kill him, he becomes a martyr. Right. If you silence him, no one talks about it. And so that, to me, clued me in. When they killed Charlie Kirk the next day, what I realized is my entire ministry shifted. Did what I had been seeing is kind of like my B ministry, which was social media, became my A ministry. And I was like, my voice right now is more valuable than these big projects that I have. There needs to be more people that are standing up and using their voice. And I think right now, the tactic of Islam, the tactic of the death cult in its entirety, that four headed death cult that you alluded to, that their tactic is to silence you like they did Charlie Kirk. But guess what? They don't understand what Tertullian understood.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
That the blood of the martyrs, this is the church.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
They don't understand that. But, but some people do understand it.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
And those are the people that are silencing Ezekiel. Do they don't want to kill him.
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Martin Cedra
No.
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Ryan
In fact, let's attach armed security to you. Let's make sure nobody can kill you, even though there's a bounty on your head from the terrorist. But what we will do is we're going to try to steal your voice.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Millicent Cedra
Wow.
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Martin Cedra
And the, the whole goal is to put fear in you. And this is a lot of people. It's, it's a lot of Christians in America. The problem with you is, the problem with America is a lot of Christians are silent out of fear. I don't want to lose followers. I don't want to lose my job. I don't want to. I don't want to get hurt. I don't want to get. I don't want to lose my friends or family. And the spirit of fear really paralyzes you. Like, they think the American pulpit, a lot of preachers think they're free, but they're not. They're paralyzed. I think in the spirit realm. If you were to look at a lot of American pastors, you would see them paralyzed. Paralyzed. They're in a wheelchair. They think they're free. They're like, yeah, I got a church. I got a mega church. I got a pulpit. I got the money, I got the car, I got the green room. But no, man, you're paralyzed. And how do you know you're paralyzed? You wanted to speak about something, and the Holy Spirit told you to speak about something, but you couldn't do it. God told you to speak about abortion, but you couldn't do it. God told you to speak about gay marriage, but you couldn't do it. You were scared. And really, the deep issue here is the problem is not fear. It's, who do you fear? Everybody fears someone. The reason we preach, millionaire preach, is not because we're some heroic heroes that don't have fear in us. We have fear. Of course we have fear. But the difference is, and this is the thing God says, do not fear man who can kill your body, but rather fear God who can throw both body and soul into hell. So the goal is not to stop fearing. The goal is to fear someone higher. The goal is to not stop being scared of you for your life. It's to fear someone who's able to chuck both body and soul into hell. So when I preach on the pulpit or when I walking around, I'm like, I could get scared of that guy in the crowd that doesn't like me and doesn't agree with my sermon. Or I could fear God. The moment I touch that pulpit, the fear of God falls onto me. Every word I say. God would judge me. Double the harshness. Every. Every word I say. If I lead these people astray, their blood will be on my hands. If I don't sound the alarm bells, their blood will be on my hands. If I don't tell people, don't kill your babies, their blood will be on my hands as long as I speak. And the thing is, the outcome is not in my hand hands. People might still abort their babies. They still might, you know, go through the transgender gender surgery. They might still allow Islam. My. My job is not the victory. My job is to wash my hands. Exactly, Lord. I've done my part.
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Millicent Cedra
Exactly.
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Martin Cedra
Now you do the Conviction. And.
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Ryan
And I think a lot of Americans don't know what season it is.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
It is the season of John the Baptist. Which means what? You might be beheaded. 100 the problem with David when he was looking at Bathsheba. Notice what it says before that? Before he went and slept with her. It says in the springtime when kings go to war. David was on his couch looking at a naked woman. And right now it's wars.
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Martin Cedra
That's it. You're right.
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Ryan
In the spirit.
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Martin Cedra
You're right.
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Ryan
And you have too many Davids that are sitting on their couch looking at a naked woman instead of going to war.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
How do we war? Our battle is not against flesh and blood. But we pull down strongholds with the power of the Holy Spirit. Through our prayers, through our fasting and with our voice. 100 and the death cult is trying to silence. Silence the Christians right now. So what's the call? What's the call from Charlie Kirk and then what's the call from Jesus? In the spirit of Elijah, in the spirit of John the Baptist, in the spirit of the warrior David. That's. That needs to go out through America and out through the earth. It's to not be silent. And right now, like you nailed it. There are so many pastors that are in a wheelchair not even knowing their Paralympics.
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Millicent Cedra
Yes.
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Ryan
And how revival is going to happen. It's going to happen through the blood of the martyrs. 100 and we just saw one in America. But there's revival breaking out in Pakistan.
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Martin Cedra
Amen.
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Ryan
There's revival breaking out out in China. There's revival breaking out in Nigeria. And why? Because there are people like Ezekiel Dachimo who are not afraid to be silent. Even though there's a bounty on his head from the terrorists. Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
And.
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Martin Cedra
And we. We've really. We've really made a decision. God. Let your will be done. Let your will be done. I'm not here. I'm not here. I don't decide what happens with my life. I live every day as if God would take me tonight.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
If God is going to take me tonight. Let's go.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
If God. Live every. And I encourage every listener now. Live as though the Lord is returning tonight. Live as though it's your last day to live. What would you do? What has God been putting on your heart to warn your friends about what has got. Like. I remember someone last week stopped Millie at the pool.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
What did that lady say to you?
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah. She. She was so afraid of having children. She'd grown up with that kind of feminist idea that children are going to ruin her life. She was afraid. You know, I don't know if she was considering abortion or what, because she'd already fallen pregnant. But then she'd seen just a video, just one singular video of mine about how children are a gift from the Lord. They are like arrows in the hands of a warrior. And the point I made is that I realized the problem is never the arrows. The problem is never the children. Children are always a gift. They're never a burden. The problem is in whose hands the arrows lie in. So if you see yourself as a warrior here to advance the kingdom of heaven, then children become a blessing. But if you see yourself as. I'm not a warrior. I'm not here to advance anything. I'm just living for myself, my own pleasure and my own comfort. That's when children become a burden to you. And she'd just seen that.
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Ryan
Well, you were talking earlier, your. Your flip of submission when we were talking earlier, like, because you are, like we've alluded to, you are a firecracker. Social media, you're getting after. And you guys, like, as a couple, are charging the death cult. Like, you are literally reclaiming what the enemy has stolen.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
But your lane seems to be more feminism, womanhood, submission, abortion. Where did that fire come from?
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah, it's funny, like, whenever I go to women's conferences, I get invited to speak to a room full of women. I'm like, God, what should I speak about? You know, I've got all of these women in front of me. It's like, okay, what are the two biggest demons attacking the women and the body of Christ right now? For the women, it's feminism and it's abortion. And, like, you know, you don't go to many women's conferences and hear people talk about abortion. And I know people, like, when I start speaking about it, it's like, I feel this. This pushback. They're like, why are you talking to me about this?
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Martin Cedra
Flourish, baby, flourish. That's what I want to hear.
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Millicent Cedra
Well, because, like, you know, like, people have this idea of women's conferences that the only thing women go through, struggle with, and need to hear about is shame. I'm like, well, I think there are some other issues in the body of Christ that we should address right now. And it's like, if I'm in a room full of women right now, what else am I going to speak about? We kill 73 million babies every single year. And so, yeah, and so, I mean, for me personally, it was probably seven years ago, I was just in my room encountering God, you know, just on my knees seeking him, praying. And I just felt how grieved the Holy Spirit was over the bloodshed of these innocent babies. It wasn't anything that I came to on my own. You know, sometimes I tell people, sometimes encounters with God leave you feeling uplifted and whatever. Sometimes these encounters with God leave you feeling grieved, leave you with a righteous indignation where it's like. Like, I cannot do anything now but speak about this, otherwise his hand will be heavy on me. His word is like a fire shut up in my bones, and I will be weary if I don't talk about it. It was like that for me where eight years ago, I just felt how grieved the Holy Spirit was about this topic, specifically abortion. And so it was. I had two options either. And I knew that if I, when I speak about this, I. I decided, all right, I'm gonna post about this tomorrow. And I knew overnight that I would lose everybody in my world. Yeah, I made this one post. Entire church, old church family, like, just completely turned my pastors, like, the people that, you know, I'd looked up to all my life was like, how dare you speak about this, about abortion? You're being hateful. Yeah. And the whole post was just, you know, just saying that the enemy seeks to steal, kill and destroy, but Jesus came that we might have life. It's so clear that God is Jesus is pro life. It's so clear. And. But I had a decision to make. Either I can keep on to my. My old friends, make sure everybody loves me and is happy with me, or, but at the same time feel weary in my soul. Know that I am disobeying the call of God in my life. Know that he is grieved. And I'm just acting like I don't care about it, or I can speak about it, losing my friends. But please, my father and I made that decision.
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Martin Cedra
Amen.
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Millicent Cedra
I have to please my father above man.
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Martin Cedra
And so, yeah, bear in mind, Millie wasn't always like this fireball. Millie was very quiet. Yeah, Very, very quiet in school, people.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah, like anybody, if I've, like, whenever I share my story, like, if social anxiety was a person. I was that growing up, I used, like, even the thought of speaking in front of a crowd. I wasn't even there yet. For me, just speaking to somebody one on one after church. I used to hide in the restrooms after church, like, terrified to even have conversation with people because I was just Terrified of speaking. And then God's like, hey, that's a word for someone.
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Ryan
Yeah, that's a word for someone listening right now.
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Martin Cedra
Y.
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Ryan
That's like, I just don't have these guys. Fire.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
I. I guess God just didn't build me that way.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah. I don't have that personality. I don't have that loudness. I don't have that courage. I'm like, yeah, that's not a personality trait. It's not. It's not gender. It's not. Like, I tell people it's not height. Thank the Lord, because I'm very vertically challenged. Boldness has nothing to do with that. Boldness comes in the presence of God. In Acts 4, when the people saw the boldness of Peter and John, it says they were amazed at their boldness, and it made them realize they had been walking with Jesus. So where does boldness come from? It comes in the presence of presence of God. When you walk with Jesus long enough and you get in his presence, there is a boldness that comes. And I think it's because I had gotten on my knees before God. I knew he wanted me to speak about abortion. So there was a boldness to it because I'm not speaking my own ideas. This is what God wants to say to his people right now. And I don't care if I lose people. I don't care if you hate me. I don't care what happens. I have God on my side as I speak.
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Ryan
And I think a lot of people, too, they're like, there's this idea that, like, well, you know, the gospel is going to go out through love.
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Millicent Cedra
Love. Yes.
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Ryan
And they think that what you're talking about is different than that.
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Millicent Cedra
Yes.
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Ryan
But when we look at the book of Romans, I believe it's chapter 12. It says, abhor what is evil.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
Hold fast to what is good. It says, let love be genuine. Okay. Now we're waiting for it.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
Hate what is evil, abhor what is evil, cling to what is good.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
So love is to hate what is evil. And I think so many Christians are just like, well, you know, like, we need to love. And we've adopted this definition of love that comes from. I don't know where it comes from. The enemy.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
That we're just supposed to tolerate.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
That love is to tolerate. Yeah. And you hear that all the time, like, love is love.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
And, you know, like, I'm. Who am I to tell that person? And I do think that there is a certain nuance there where Jesus is is attacking the Pharisees. He's going after the Pharisees more than he's going after the people outside the church. And so are we to conquer as Christians? No. Are we to protect our sheep as shepherds? 100 yes. And there are w. The death cult that are coming after the sheep. And that's the calling of some people. That is clearly the calling of you guys. We are to be the salt in the light of the earth. What does the salt do? It preserves.
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Martin Cedra
Yep. And I, I, I think, I think you, you as a Christian, it's, it's the. The truth has to always be said. And you always got to do it in love. The way it comes across might come across mean, but in the bottom of our heart, it's always through love. It's always about love. Like when I tell people from the crowd, repent of your sin. Repent of your homosexuality. Those who are homosexual, the homosexual, the drunkard, the greedy, the thief will not inherit the kingdom of God. That might seem hateful, but that's not hateful. That's the most loving thing I can do to you.
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Ryan
Amen.
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Martin Cedra
That is the most loving thing I can do to you in a crowd, as I preach, is not to tell you just that Jesus loves you. Sometimes it's to tell you, repent of your sin, you're going to hell, bro. Like you are going to. It's sometimes the most lovely thing to do is to tell a young couple sleeping together, if you don't repent, you're gonna go to hell. And that might come across harsh, but this is the power of the gospel. The power of the gospel is sometimes it cuts you and it hurts. Right. When Peter preached, it says the people were cut to the heart, they were convicted, and then 3,000 people saved. And that's what we're seeing. We preach the gospel and half the crowd get offended, half the crowd repent. And I think it's both sides. If everyone hates you, maybe there's something.
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Millicent Cedra
You'Re probably just mean.
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Martin Cedra
But if everybody likes you, if everybody likes you, as a preacher in the crow, a Christian, you're also doing something wrong. I love losing followers. Like a lot of influencers and preachers measure how many followers they get. I don't just measure followers. I measure unfollowers. Because if the unfollowers are not going up, I'm not doing right.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah, like saying anything.
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Martin Cedra
Well, me and Millie, you know about together combine about 10, 000 followers a week. We get unfollows, we get about 2000 for unfollows. So I love it. I love the unfollowers going up. Keep unfollowing me. Why? I don't want the whole world to agree with me. I just want the people of God to agree with me. So the unfollowers keep going up. And Jesus said it. You will be hated in this world. You will be hated. If they hated me how much more would they hate you? If they crucified me how much more would they kill you? So I think we got to just make peace with not being liked by everyone.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
Right. Make peace with not being liked by everyone. Make peace with not being accepted by the crowd.
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Millicent Cedra
And the Bible covers that tension because the Bible also talks. I think it's in Peter talks about how make sure the reason you are hated is not because of your conduct and your behavior. So it's very simple. As a Christian you are supposed to love the people that you are speaking to. That's the. That's the reason we speak the truth. Because we love them. We don't want to see them go to hell. We want to be with them in heaven. The basis of why we speak is love. But we must speak whatever the word of God says. I believe our duty is to do what God told Jeremiah. Stand in the courtyard of your God. Speak everything I've committed, commanded you and do not omit a word. What we have today is a lot of Christians putting the word of God on the scales and deciding this is. This is a loving thing to say. This is not a loving thing to say.
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Ryan
Right. Right. And. And I think it's pretty clear from Jesus. Speak the truth in love.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
And I think there are some times where you can speak the truth and have it not be loving.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
You can go up to someone and say you're gonna burn in hell for eternity. And that person.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
They just came to your church. They're a freshman. Fresh you know curious belief. It's like hey that wasn't loving.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
100 might it to be true. Maybe.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
But. Yeah but truth without love is harsh. Love without truth is hollow.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
So we need to. We need to speak the truth in love. And sometimes the truth offends people. Jesus said it. Hey. This is going to divide people. Come to bring a sword. Like you're gonna like hate your father and mother in comparison to your love. This is going to divide families. So I've. I've lost relationship with families based off of what I post.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
Like. Like some of my family members have Been like not talking to you anymore.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
And as I'm sure you guys have, clearly you've experienced as well. And, and that's okay. Yeah, that's okay.
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Millicent Cedra
Because.
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Ryan
Because like you said, we need to have the fear of the Lord over the fear of man because he can throw soul and body into the pits of hell.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
And so, and preachers now, but preachers now don't want to mention the word repent. They don't want to preach to repent, sin, hell.
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Ryan
So they want message Jesus preached.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah. Well, they want to preach all the lovey stuff. Love, you know, love accepted, welcome as you are, come as you are, all these stuff, which is amazing. But if your pastor doesn't preach about repentance, sin and hell, he's not a real pastor because that's all across scripture. If you go to, if someone goes to a church where their pastor hasn't mentioned sin, hell or repentance in the last year, I'm sorry, you're not a part of a church. You're a part of an entertainment club. This is a social club. Because as you said, the first message. Message that John the Baptist preached was repent. The first message Jesus preached was repent. The first message Peter preached was repent.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
All the revivalists across history, John Wesley and Charles Wesley preach repentance. Billy Graham preached repentance. Jonathan Edwards preached repentance.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
George Whitford preached repentance. And now we have in the 21st century, apparently, this new mega church preachers. And I'm, I'm not attacking mega church. I love mega churches. I think the kingdom of God should be mega. The problem is, the problem is, are you going to preach the truth of the Bible even if your mega church loses half its crowd?
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
If you're not willing to lose your crowd, you're not. You're not serving the Lord, you're serving people.
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Ryan
Amen.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah. And it's. I believe it's the reason so many Christians are deconstructing. Because what are you supposed to make of if your pastor never mentions hell? Repent. Then you go home and do some Bible plan as a new believer. And you read all of this stuff in the Bible. You have two options. Either you believe your pastor is not disclosing everything the word of God says and is holding some stuff back from you which you're less likely to believe because your first thought would be your pastor is here to shepherd me, loves me, cares about me. The other alternative is to believe that the Bible is not authoritative. Maybe the Bible is A story. Maybe it's like, it's just a guide. It's not the authority of word of God. That's what you're doing to people if you don't speak the truth. They have two options. And what's going to end up happening is probably they're going to end up not seeing the Bible as true. Or they'll see God as harsh. They'll see the Bible as harsh.
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Martin Cedra
They're focusing. People like to read the stories of Jesus where, you know, you know, he's touching the leper, you know, the adulteress, the woman caught an adultery. And his stories are amazing. But when you only read these stories or when you only read the New Testament, you might get a bad or a false or an incomplete picture of Jesus. Jesus. You see an effeminate Jesus like people see an effeminate Jesus every time they see Jesus. He's carrying a lamb in a photo in a church. He's carrying a lamb. He's a nice, you know, white guy with long hair and beautiful beard. And, you know, he's got the kids around him. He's beautiful. But you got to realize you got to read the full Bible. You got to read the Old Testament.
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Ryan
And the New Testament and how he's coming back.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah, and he's coming back because you're right. Because the thing is, Jesus is not just spoken of as the Lamb of God. He is the lion of Judah. So when you look at Jesus, you shouldn't just see a lamb. A nice, peaceful, meek lamb. No, no. He is a lion of Judah. A roaring lion. The first time Jesus came, he came in a manger. The second time, he's not coming in a manger. He's coming. He's coming on a throne. The first time he came, he came as a baby. Second time, he's coming as a king. The first time Jesus came, he hung on a cross surrounded by crypto criminals. Second time he comes, he's not going to be surrounded by criminals. He's going to be surrounded by the armies of heaven. So these guys need to understand Jesus is not some meek. Just meek, weak. He's not weak. He's not effeminate. He's a. He's a. He's the best. He's the greatest masculine example you could ever imagine, which is both meekness and strength. Amen. It's right. It's both meekness and strength. It's both humility and courage and boldness. It's all combined. Don't get one without the other. Other.
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Ryan
Amen. Amen. So dude, you guys, holy smokes man.
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Martin Cedra
The, the, the, the one thing Ryan, the thing about, for me I know we're going back to Islam but I think Americans need to be equipped on Islam. Islam has a very deceiving, they have a deceiving side of them. They, they. Muhammad lied a lot in his lifetime. Muhammad like one time signed a 10 year peace treaty and then two years later he comes back and kills the Allah is, is Allah is spoken of as a deceiver in the Quran. All other God like on the cross, on the cross. Apparently Jesus was on a cross for them and Allah took Jesus and put someone that looked like him and apparently deceived 2.7 billion Christians around the world. So, so what's very dangerous about Islam is this deceiving side of them. And a lot of Christians, you might hear a Muslim tell you is that.
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Ryan
Just not Taqiyah or.
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Martin Cedra
No, this is so this Taqiyah. And then there's, there's another side where, where they, so they, the Muslims come up to Christians and Muslims say to Christians, we're brothers, you know, Muslims say we believe in Jesus. Have you heard a Muslim say before we believe in Jesus, we're brothers man, we also believe in him. And this is a deceiving thing about them is they, they try to make the Christians think Islam is just another, you know, denominations denomination, another Abrahamic religion.
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Millicent Cedra
Another Abrahamic religion, those Judaism like Judaism, Christianity, Islam is all all the same.
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Martin Cedra
Islam is not a religion, it's a heresy of Christianity. Islam is not an Abrahamic religion. Yeah, it's a heresy of Christianity because it's an antichrist. So they want to say we believe in Jesus and Muslims do believe in Jesus. Muslims believe in Jesus. The name Isa, which is Jesus in the quran is repeated 25 times in the Quran. They believe in the virgin birth. They believe that Jesus healed the sick, open the eyes of the blind. They believe that Jesus raised the dead.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
So they, they have all these things that's close to, to the character of Jesus in the Bible and they say we believe in Jesus too. But this is where the deceiving part comes in. The deceiving part comes in this. Romans 10:9 says if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. So in Christianity, the three key words in this verse, Lord, death and resurrection. Yes, that's really the three. The three foundations of our Christology or study of Christ is that we believe Jesus was crucified. Jesus died on the Cross and he was resurrected.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
If you take any of these three theologies out or doctrines out, you're not a Christian anymore. Muhammad comes 600 years after Jesus and flips the whole thing. So he says, Jesus is not God, He's a prophet. Lie number one. So all my Christians listening, the Muslims believe in Jesus, but he's not God, He's a prophet. That's not my Jesus.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
So line number one, they believe. We believe Jesus is God. They believe he's a prophet. Line number one.
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Ryan
One.
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Martin Cedra
Lie number two, we believe Jesus died on a cross for the sins of the world. They believe Jesus didn't die on the cross. Allah saved him and replaced him with someone that resembled him. Lie number two.
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Ryan
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
Lie number three, we believe Jesus was resurrected. Resurrected. Islam believes he wasn't resurrected because he never died. So this is kind of the deception is Islam would never unite with Christianity. Would never unite with Islam. In fact, in Nigeria, there was a part of Nigeria, they 20 years ago ago where they wanted to create a new religion called Chrislam. Chrislam was a unity of Islam and Christianity combining, saying, we believe in Abraham, we believe in Noah, we believe in. We believe in Moses, we believe in all these things. And they wanted to unite it and a lot of Muslims and Christians fell for it. But Christianity can't unite with Islam. We believe Jesus is the son of God. Their Jesus is the teacher of truth. Our Jesus is the truth. Yeah. They believe in Jesus was just a good guy. We believe he is good goodness, he is perfect and he's. He's God in the flesh. They don't believe in that. So Christians really got to be careful when talking, when talking to a Muslim. Don't get deceived, you know?
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Ryan
Right, right. And even, you know, the, the main beef I think Muslims have with Christians is like, how can God be three in one?
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
Well, if you have a God that is love, he has to be in relationship from the beginning of time.
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Millicent Cedra
Exactly.
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Ryan
And what is love if it's not relationship?
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Martin Cedra
You cannot have.
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Ryan
You can't just have. Like, I am a singular God who is the embodiment of love because love has to have another to love. And so fundamentally, Islam is not a religion of love like Christianity is religion. Religion of love because of their, you know, rejection of the Trinity.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
And the other problem, Muslims always say, where does Jesus say is God? Jesus never claimed to be God. Jesus never said he's God. I'm like, really?
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Millicent Cedra
Why did they crucify him?
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
It's like, why'd they cry?
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Millicent Cedra
Blood.
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Ryan
Blasphemy.
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Martin Cedra
Why did they cry blasphemy? Why did they kill Jesus? But wait a second. Jesus. John 1:1. John 1:1 says, in the beginning was the Word and the Word. Sorry. Sorry. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And in John 1:14, 13 verses later, it says, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Who was the Word that became flesh? Jesus Christ. In the beginning was the Word. Jesus was there from the beginning. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. So Jesus. Jesus. The Bible is very clear that Jesus is God.
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Ryan
Even let us make man in our own image. Genesis 1. What is. What is the plural there?
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
What is. Who's the us?
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
What about when Jesus says, before Abraham was I am. That like that. That I am for us reading it today in the 21st century? You think it's just a name? No, this name in the Old Testament was one of the most revered names.
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Millicent Cedra
You couldn't kill him for blasphemy.
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Martin Cedra
That's what. When Moses. When Moses says to God, if they ask me, who sent you, tell them, I am has sent you. That's the God of the Old Testament. So Jesus said before Abraham was I am. What Jesus was saying to them is that God I am in the Old Testament. The God that saved you from Pharaoh, the God that split the red seas, the God that provided a pillar of fire and a pillar of cloud. That's me in the flesh. Jesus was saying, here I am. And what about Hebrews? Hebrews says, it says of the Son. He says, this is the Father speaking, speaking Hebrews. In the book of Hebrews, it says of the Son. He says the Father, speaking about Jesus of the Son, he says, your throne, O God, stands forever. The Father called Jesus God. So. So the Muslims always come after the three things. They come after Christology, which we just covered. Did Jesus. Is Jesus God? Did he claim to be God? They come after trinitarian theology, which you just spoke about, and they come after Bibliology. Is the Bible accurate? There's so much corruption in the Bible.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah, well, interesting how they'll accuse Christians of there's being corruption in the Bible. Contradictions which they. They give bad examples. When you look at the contradictions, it's like. It's like things like how one gospel says Jesus was a carpenter and another says he was the carpenter's son. Oh, that's a contradiction. It's like, oh, no, maybe he's both. He's both a carpenter and a carpenter's son. Because that's what you did in that time. You always did what your father did.
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Martin Cedra
How many families do they say there is.
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Millicent Cedra
They say that there's 44,000 contradictions in our manuscripts. But when you look at them, 99% of those variations is things like spelling or in the Greek language, like the movable new, which is like, makes no difference to meaning whatsoever. But the, in comparison, when you, if you want to attack the history of the Bible, we have 23,000 manuscripts. Historians are amazed at the amount of, of manuscripts we have. That the reason that's such a good thing is because you have so many different texts. How do you know what the original said? You look at these 23,000 manuscripts and if they're all saying this and then one says something else, you know that this is what the original said. Whereas in the early history of Islam, this guy named Uthman realized that there were different texts and variations. And so his solution to these different, these different Quranic versions was to just gather them from all of the Muslims and to burn them and to make one standardized version of the Quran. So historically, the Quran does not pass any of the tests whatsoever. They don't have all these manuscripts, therefore they don't have all these variations because they burnt all of them. So you can't know what the originals.
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Martin Cedra
And then you got this abrogation. So your abrogation in Islam abrogation is this idea that the later verses, that the verses. Because there's a lot of contradictions in the Quran. So Muhammad for example would say you can have, you can have two wives.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
And then all of a sudden later he's like, actually guys, I got a revelation. You can have three. And then all of a sudden, actually guys, you can have four.
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Ryan
These revelations all coincide with his, his new girl.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah. Literally it actually.
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Ryan
Spoke again.
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Martin Cedra
So Muhammad has two wives and he's like, guys, you can have two wives. All of a sudden he sees another beautiful woman. He's like, guys, wait, I'm having a vision.
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Millicent Cedra
Allah spoke to him.
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Martin Cedra
Allah spoke to me.
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Millicent Cedra
Allah came to him and told me.
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Martin Cedra
I can have three wives. And then all of a sudden Muhammad goes all the way to 11. He has 11 wives. And then he's not happy. He's not. His sexual perversion is not satisfied enough. He sees a young girl, a six year old Aisha. He sees a six year old. Muhammad is 54 years old. He sees Aisha, the age of six. And he speaks to the father, what a is the Father, Allah gave me a revelation. What is that revelation? Allah told me that's my wife. Imagine if a, if a 54 year old guy comes up to you, says hey, your daughter, your six year old daughter. God told me I got a man. That's what he did. God and, and the man fought back. He's like, what? And by the end he had to give him. That's, that's a founder of Islam.
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Ryan
And the crazy thing is when, when you bring that up to Muslims today, they go, well they, they didn't have sex until she was nine.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah, that makes it so much better.
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Martin Cedra
Thanks for waiting till she's nine.
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Millicent Cedra
Wow, the self control, you're right.
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Martin Cedra
It's like oh, oh, nine. You're so kind man. Thank you so much. It's like so Muhammad, 54 years old, marries Aisha at the age of six. I wouldn't say slept with, I'd say he raped her at the age of nine. Really? Like I know that word, people don't use it, but you don't sleep with a nine year old. You rape a nine year old. What nine year old consents to sex? This was sexual perversion, demonic, like demonic activity at a whole nother level. And he sleeps with her at 9 or rapes her at night. And this is kind of the, and still to today by the way, in Muslim countries, Muslims under Sharia law, there's still child brides. Yeah. Like you know, in Afghanistan.
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Ryan
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
Just, just the end of last year, a man, a 40 year old guy, a 44 year old guy in Afghanistan went to the government and said, I want to marry this 6 year old. He applied to be married to a 6 year old, he's 44, applied to be married to a 6 Year old. The government intervenes. The Taliban and Afghanistan him, they intervene and they say no, you can't marry a six year old. And I read that, I was like, this is awesome. Thank the Lord. What do they tell him? They say, no, you got to wait till she's nine. I'm like, wow, thank you, you're so kind. You made him wait till she's nine. That's so nice of you. And again, they're not, they're they're simply following their prophet, they're simply following their founder, that is their founder. And Muhammad by the way, is not one of the prophets. Because a lot of Muslims that say, oh, what about Solomon? He had 900 wives and conquered concubines. What about David? He slept with Bathsheba and killed her husband, Uriah.
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Millicent Cedra
We don't worship David.
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Martin Cedra
What about Noah?
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Ryan
These are people.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
These are people.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah, you're right. We never. The Bible is not, it's not everything is prescriptive. It's descriptive.
- [78:55]
Ryan
Yes.
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Martin Cedra
So all these things.
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Ryan
Explain that real fast.
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Martin Cedra
So everybody listening. Not everything you read in the Bible is God telling you you're allowed to do that.
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Ryan
Yes.
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Millicent Cedra
Which is pretty.
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Martin Cedra
Solomon had 900 wives and concubines. God is not telling you you can have 900 wives and concubines. Concubines. Abraham, you know, slept with Hagar, his servant. God is not telling you to sleep with someone who's not your wife. That is what you call descriptive. God is this. The writers are describing the narrative and describing the story. Then there's prescriptive. Prescriptive is God is prescribing every believer across the nation, eternally across the world, every time, space and culture. This is prescription for you on how to live. So the question is that's where the Muslims deceive the Christians. Christians they say, but Solomon did that. I'm like, that's descriptive, not prescriptive.
- [79:39]
Ryan
Right.
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Martin Cedra
The prescriptive things is the teachings of Paul. The prescriptive things are the teaching of, of the disciples, the Gospels, the teaching of Jesus, the Beatitudes. That's prescriptive. That we live by. And that's why, by the way, when Solomon, after he had 900 wives and concubines, what did God do? He split his kingdom.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
He punished him. Yeah. Right. David sleeps with Bathsheba and kills her husband.
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Millicent Cedra
Fire.
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Martin Cedra
What does God do? He punishes him. Now people are actually punished for their sin. Muhammad on the other hand, sleeps with a six. Not with it sleeps with a nine year old. And apparently he's going to get a reward in heaven.
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Ryan
Yeah. Changes. He gets a new revelation.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Millicent Cedra
Which is application.
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Ryan
Dang it. So, okay, so what, what do we do? Like that's, that's, I think that, I mean, I think there's information is really powerful.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
- [80:25]
Ryan
For, to educate people on this is coming to America.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
There is a spirit of Islam that is moving in these, these four phases that you've talked about. What does the average listener do right now? What do they make of all of this?
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Martin Cedra
Yeah. I, I every, everyone listening a few things. Number one, get your life right with God. Get your life right with God. Stop being a lukewarm Christian. There's no more room for lukewarm Christianity. God in Revelation to the church on Laodicea, he says, you're neither cold nor whole hot. You're lukewarm you're in the middle. And he says, I wish you were cold or hot. And because of that, God says to the church and lady seer, I will spit you out of my mouth. And I think that the Americans. The Americans, one of the most important things, because I find a lot of Americans are fighting Islam, but they don't. Don't understand. One of the ways to fight Islam is to have Christians who are strong in their faith. Have strength. Be strong and courageous in your faith. Live holy. Holy. Like, and this might sound simple, like, how do you fight Islam? Live holy. I really do believe.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
When Christians live right, the nation will be blessed. If you're getting drunk, stop getting drunk.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
If you're sleeping with someone that's not your wife, stop it.
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Ryan
Right.
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Martin Cedra
If you're cussing and swearing, stop it. Be a part of a local church. Be a part of a biblical church. Don't be a part of a work week church. Don't be a part of a church that doesn't preach. Preach the truth, that doesn't tell you that marriage is between a man and a woman. Be a part of a biblically faithful church. Build the kingdom of God and let's fight for this country.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah. By the way, what you're saying is completely biblical. This was God's warning to the people of Israel that if they, you know, if they intermarry, if they enjoy the false gods of the enemy nations, if they start disobeying the law, God's law, and they start, you know, adopting these practices from these false gods, then these enemy nations will take over. They will rule over them. That's Deuteronomy 22 or 23. They will rule over you. That will be the punishment. So the truth is, if the Christians do not start living holy, do not start returning to God's word and God's standard of righteousness and holiness. If we start, you know, intermarrying with these false gods of secularism, of feminism, of abortion, lgbtq, the punishment from God will be to hand us over to the enemy enemies. If we forsake God, if we forsake the Bible, then God's way of punishing, historically, all throughout the Bible, is to hand you over as captives to the enemy so that you wake up and return to your God. And I don't want to go to Babylon. Like, can we wake up before we go to Babylon? I don't want to go there.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah. Don't mess with sin. America thinks sin is fun and games and all that. No, you serve. There's A holy God in heaven. There's a holy God in heaven. You cannot raise the pride flag over your country. Country and expect blessing on your country. America is raising a pride flag over their country. We have pride Month. We have pride parades.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Martin Cedra
You think God is going to let you go? God's going to punish you. You kill 1 million babies in a womb every year and you think God is going to let you go? You think, you think you can mock the holiness and the justice of God? Don't mess around with the holy God. God is righteous. You think you can mix with foreign gods and God won't destroy you? That was the warning of all the prophets in your test. Stop mixing with foreign gods. Stop mixing. You have Christians now. I hear so many stories of Christians marrying non Christians. Yeah. A Christian marrying a Muslim, a Christian marrying an atheist. A Christian marrying a Hindu. I'm like, don't you remember the warning of the prophets? Do not intermarry with the pagans. Do not intermarry. Don't intermarry. It's not cool. And there's no such thing as flirt to convert. And you know, he's on his journey with the Lord, he going to come to God. If he gets drunk, don't marry him. If he's a Muslim, don't marry him. If he, if he cusses and swears. And if he's. Don't marry an unbeliever, marry the people of God. Let's keep Christianity Christian. Let's keep Christian families Christian. Let's keep. Let's get strong marriages back. I would tell young people, stop hooking up. Like, stop with this hookup culture. Stop with this hookup culture now. Get married, get married, have children, go to church, have lots of children. If you have two children, have four. If you have four, have six, go.
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Ryan
Come on, bro. There's a lot right now.
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Millicent Cedra
We need to practice what we preach.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah. We have one, another six coming.
- [84:52]
Millicent Cedra
We have a long way to go.
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Martin Cedra
Four. I don't know. We'll see what happens. But really this is kind of from. Yeah, from a, from a down up war. The war. The, the war from on Islam. And notice by the way, how I say Islam, not Muslims. Everyone needs to understand we love Muslims. Amen.
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Millicent Cedra
We actually hate Islam because we love Muslims. We hate Muslims. Are the victims of Islam.
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Martin Cedra
100.
- [85:15]
Millicent Cedra
Because we're not waging against flesh and blood. It's satanic at its core. And he hates the people that are actually Muslim.
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Martin Cedra
And again, again, me saying I love the Muslims does not mean I want them in my, my country. Okay? So everybody needs to understand you saying I love the Muslims does not mean you bring a million of them or 100,000 of them into your country and say, I love them. And it's the problem. A lot of people are saying, I want to save the Muslims. A lot of people say that. Right. And it's a great heart, It's a great, it's a great prayer and desire. I want to save the Muslim. That was my dad's desire. Right. My dad's desire was to save the Muslims. And we did see it. And a few points. When it comes to Christians saying, I want to save the Muslims, therefore let's bring them into our country. Number one, Muslims are getting saved. All around the world. There is a revival in Muslim. There is a revival in Muslim nations right now in Indonesia. I was just preaching in Indonesia. I'm literally preaching. And there's a lady in a hijab sitting down, listening to my sermon. She's a Christian. She just doesn't want to take her hijab off so she doesn't get killed. On its own, God is moving. Indonesia has a hundred thousand thousand Muslims convert to Christianity every single year. Iran. Iran has 75, 000 mosques by 2023. 50, 000 mosques out of the 75 shut down. Wow.
- [86:28]
Millicent Cedra
Praise God.
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Martin Cedra
In Gaza in 2023, 200 Gazans. 200 Gazans saw visions of Jesus Christ on the same night and became Christians. Wow. So for all my Christians that are like, man, let's bring the Muslims in America and into the west so we can save them. Don't worry. God's saving them in the Middle East. It so number one, God is already moving in the Middle East. Number two, in order to save Muslims, you don't need to bring them into your country. You go to their countries. That's the point of missionaries, right? Missionaries. That's the core. And American church has forgotten about that. God said, go into the world, not bring the world. Right. God says, go the Great Commission, go into all the world, preach the gospel, make disciples, baptize them. You don't bring them here. Here. You don't bring the pagan cultures here. You don't bring the Islamists here and then save them here. You send missionaries out.
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Ryan
And that's the hard part. Because, you know, I was talking to my buddy who really understands the geopolitical situation in Nigeria, and I'm like, what? What is the answer? And he goes, martyrs. Yeah, Christian martyrs being sent to the north.
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Millicent Cedra
Exactly.
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Ryan
To be killed. And I was like, oh, My gosh. I hate that answer.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
I hate that answer. Yeah. But it is. I think. I hate it because I realize it. It's what needs to happen. And I think that that's where the boldness comes from. That's why the disciples prayed for boldness, because they probably knew they were going to be killed.
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Martin Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
They probably figured it out along the way, like, oh, this isn't going to end with, you know, rainbows and butterflies.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
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Ryan
So I. I would love, as we kind of land this plane here, I would love for you guys to pray for boldness.
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Millicent Cedra
Yeah.
- [87:55]
Ryan
For the listener. Could maybe both of you guys pray just over a listener who's maybe hearing this? And they're like, dang, they're feeling a little bit of, like, nervousness of the fact that Islam is coming to the West.
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Millicent Cedra
Right.
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Ryan
But also understand that there's a call in all of our lives, and maybe they don't feel ready to step into that. Could you just pray for their boldness?
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Millicent Cedra
Amen.
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Ryan
Amen.
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Martin Cedra
Let's pray. Yeah. Wherever you are right now, listening, believe that the Holy Spirit can fill you where you're at. Really pray from the bottom of your heart the same way. Millie wasn't courageous, and she prayed for courage, and God gave it to her, same as me. I wasn't courageous. My first sermon, I did. Halfway through my sermon, I cried, dropped my Bible and ran out. And if it wasn't for God's courage, we wouldn't be here. So I really believe, with a young, old. Whatever country you're listening to, let's pray. Lord, we thank you, God. We thank you, Lord, that you have not given us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of power and a sound mind. Lord. I thank you, God, that where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. God. And I pray right now, Holy Spirit, you are omnipresent. You are everywhere at the same time. And right there, God, in their living room, in their bedroom, in their car, as they're listening, Lord, right now. We speak, Holy Spirit, that you would fill that place, that therein. And where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. We speak freedom from fear. We speak freedom from timidity. We speak freedom, Lord, from being a coward. We speak freedom, God, from the fear of man. And we declare courage and boldness. We declare, God, as you said to Joshua, be strong and courageous for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go. God, we say that to ourselves, be strong and courageous. Be strong and courageous for the Lord your God is with. With you, not strong and courageous because we're strong or we're good or we're good at speaking or intellectual, God, or smart. But God, be strong because you are with us. That was your promise. Lord, in a great commission, you said to the disciples, go into all the world, preach the gospel, make disciples and baptize them in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. And you said, be sure of this. I am with you to the end of the days. Thank you, Lord, that as we preach, disciple and baptize people, this is your promise. Promise. You are with us, God. You are with us in Africa. You are with us in Nigeria. You are with us in America, Australia, Europe and Canada. Lord, in every country, your spirit is with us, God. You go before us and behind us and you surround us. Lord, I pray, Lord, for a hedge of protection around your people. I pray the blood of Jesus over all of us, God, as we preach over Millie and I, over Ryan, over the listeners, over the pastors in Nigeria and the Christians in Nigeria and the persecuted church around the world, Lord, we pray for your protection, a hedge of protection. I pray for signs and wonders and miracles. Lord, let your name be glorified and bring revival in America and across the nations in the name of Jesus. Amen.
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Ryan
Amen.
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Millicent Cedra
Amen. Lord, I just pray, God, in the same way Peter and John prayed for the early believers in Acts 4, they prayed for boldness to fill your church, to fill your body, to fill the believers so they would be bold, unashamed, unafraid to speak your truth, God, in the same way that boldness was an answer to prayer by your spirit. I just trust right now, as we pray for boldness over every listener, that your spirit would go out and fill every heart, every listener, every person listening to this podcast right now, we trust that is by your spirit that we experience boldness, courage. And Lord, we know, God, that it is when we already decide today that we are willing to lose our lives for you, God, for the sake of truth, for the sake of the gospel. God, if we can just die now to our ourselves, then nothing will cause us fear. God, we decide and we commit to you right now, God. We decide right now, God, that we fear you above any man. We fear you, God, above any persecution, any threat. And we decide, God, now, today, that we are willing to lose our lives for you because you already gave your life for us. We trust you with our lives, we trust you with our platforms. We trust you, God, with everything about our lives. We give it, we cast it into your hands, Lord, and I just pray that courage and boldness, boldness would reign in Jesus name. Amen.
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Ryan
Amen.
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Martin Cedra
Amen.
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Ryan
And guys, continue to pray for Martin and Millicent. As you can tell they're on the front lines right now and you guys have death threats. You guys have people that are after you. And so we just cover you right now in the name of Jesus with the blood of Jesus, with the protection of the warring angels surround you in your home, in your church as you go to the market, wherever you are, Lord. And we all just collectively even the listener right now. Would you please pray for them? Would you remember them in your prayers and we believe believe that you will provide a head of hedge of protection around them, Lord, yes. In Jesus name, amen. Amen. You guys are awesome man. Guys, thank you for joining us on the Jesus People podcast. That was a good one. We will see you guys next week.