← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Kenneth Copeland
Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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Nancy Dufresne
There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power.
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Studio Audience
I receive that power.
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Nancy Dufresne
I receive it right now.
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Studio Audience
I receive it right now from the.
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Nancy Dufresne
Top of my head.
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Studio Audience
From the top of my head.
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Nancy Dufresne
The soles of my feet.
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Studio Audience
The soles of my feet.
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Nancy Dufresne
Welcome to Jesus the Healer. We're so glad to be with you and that you're with us today. And I've got a studio audience in here, and they're going to shout Amen real good. And we want you to shout Amen real good because the Word will make you shout. It'll give you something to get excited about. Thank God for the Word. It helps us to live accurately so that we're not just floating through life, bumping into walls, going, which way do we go? But the Word of God is the plan of God for our life. Amen. We've been teaching, and I so value being able to teach in the direction that God's had us to be ministering on. And that is about the mind and the renewed mind. Because when you think right, it turns difficult things easy. And so thank God for the help of the Word. The Word is the prescription for the mind. Not only is the Word the prescription for the body, the spirit, it's also the prescription for the mind. We've been talking about what Paul told Timothy in second Timothy, chapter one, verse seven. He said, for God's not given spirit of fear, but a power, love and a sound mind. A sound mind belongs to you. That's why the devil attacks it, because he cannot operate through a sound mind. So he's trying to turn a sound mind into an unsound mind. And wrong thinking is what opens the door to the enemy to work. And so as we renew our mind and we find that renew our minds with the Word of God and we find out how does God think, and we take on his way of thinking that closes the door to the enemy. The enemy cannot work through right thinking. He can only work through wrong thinking. That's why he seeks to deceive people. And so many times we have to realize that the Devil is not the problem. It's the thinking that when we run wrong thinking out, we run the devil's options out. And when we put right thinking in place, then we give way for God to move unhindered. It's wrong thinking that hinders God because wrong thinking leads to wrong believing, which leads to wrong speaking, which leads to wrong actions, which keeps us from receiving. And so when we think right, then God can work unhindered. When we run wrong thinking out, the devil's got no wrong thoughts to energize. You know, the devil will sow a seed. I mean, you've heard me say it on a previous episode, is that the devil imitates the way God moves in the sense of there's nothing original in the devil because he's death, there's no life in him. And so he cannot generate anything original or creative. All he can do is imitate the way God works. And the way God works is in the principles of the Word. You plant a seed, you get a harvest, right? So as we plant the seed of the Word in our spirits, in our thought lives, we get a harvest, blessings, harvest of that word. So the devil works the same way. He offers a thought to try to plant wrong thoughts in us. He cannot make us accept wrong thoughts. He can only offer wrong thoughts. And we accept them by turning them over in our mind and by speaking them. But if we refuse to speak them and if we refuse to turn them over in our mind, not have our attention on them, then they can't get planted in our thought life.
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Studio Audience
That's right.
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Nancy Dufresne
Now remember what Jesus said. He said something to the effect of. He said, satan has come, but he has nothing in me. What's that mean? There were all kinds of opportunities the devil tried to use through the words of men, through circumstances, through opposition, to try to plant the wrong thing in Jesus. But when Satan came to see if there was a harvest, there was nothing in Jesus that he could harvest. Praise the Lord. So Jesus kept the wrong things from being planted in him. Even though he was surrounded by opposition throughout his earthly ministry, he was opposed all the time, on every side. But he would not let the wrong thing in his thoughts. He wouldn't let the wrong thing in his believing. He wouldn't let the wrong thing in his actions. Amen. When you think right, your faith is safe. When you think wrong, you're facing danger. I remember years ago, my husband and I hadn't been married too long, just a couple of years, and we were invited to preach in a foreign country. And we went and preached over there. And here I was, a baby Christian, you know, when I met and married my husband, I'd only been saved and filled with the spirit a couple of years. He was 20 years older than me, and so he had years of ministry and years of experience over me. I mean, I just felt like I was running to try to catch up in some measure. And so a lot of the things that he had skill in, it was new to me. And I remember being in this foreign country we had traveled to, and as soon as we got there, there came an attack on my mind. And it was new to me. I had been attacked in different ways. But, you know, with every fresh attack, you have to become skillful in the face of that. You have to exercise skills. And so this thought just kept troubling me about my body. Just kept troubling. I mean, just bombarding me. And I recognized, you know, that this was not just. I recognized that it was an attack of the enemy. And so I would endeavor to stand against it. But the thing is, is I wouldn't take my attention off of what he was suggesting. I didn't recognize it. I just kept waiting for the thought to leave me, Al. I kept waiting for the thought to leave so that I wouldn't be troubled when it's not. We can't determine whether the devil is going to talk or not, but we can certainly determine what we do when he talks, what we think when he talks, what we say when he talks. That's right. And we determine the outcome. My mother used to. There were four kids in our family, and my mother used to make this statement to us. She said, you can start anything. You're big enough to let me finish. Which that meant we weren't going to start anything with her. Meaning, if you're going to talk back to me, if you're going to disobey me, you better make sure you can handle the finish that I'm going to hand out to you. Because she's saying, you're going to start it, but I'm going to finish it. Well, the devil will start something, but we're authorized to finish, to determine how that outcome is the devil. The outcome is not his, it's ours. It's up to our faith. It's up to what we say. It's up to what we believe. And so when I got over there to this foreign country, see, I was young in these things. I didn't understand how the attacks against the mind work and how to be skillful in the Face of those attacks. So I kept waiting for this thought to leave me, when really it would have left if I'd gotten my attention off of it. But holding my attention there, kept it as an audience, so to speak. It found an audience with me. And I remember I was. I had just started preaching. I'd only been preaching a short time, and I was to preach the morning service in that church. And there were probably about the way I remember it, about 1,200 people there or so. And during the praise and worship service, I knew by the spirit and I knew it by word of knowledge, not because I saw him, but Jesus walked into that service, and I knew he was coming up that aisle. And he came and he stood by me. And I thought, see, this is going to be the end of this test right now. Jesus is here. You know, the devil's going to regret it. Jesus has come to handle this. That's what I thought. I didn't know he came to handle me, but I thought he was coming to handle this situation for me. And he walked up to me, came and stood right by me and said this. Where's your faith? I realized I'm getting rebuked. And in my own thinking, I'm thinking, are you kidding me? I'm being attacked and I'm being rebuked. I thought. I thought, you know how we do. I thought the devil was my problem. I thought that thought was my problem. He was letting me know that my response of faith was the problem, or my lack of response of faith was the problem. What was he saying? It doesn't matter what the devil starts. It matters what you do. Amen.
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Studio Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
I'll get back to this. I want to insert a little story here which shows that you determine the outcome of something. There was a minister that he had been having physical issues, and he went to the doctor and he was diagnosed with a terminal condition. And he came home and he said this. I love this. And see, I'm from southwest Oklahoma, so these colloquial things we understand. He said, devil, you done jumped on the wrong donkey. I love that. See, my dad, he was a cotton and wheat farmer. And sometimes he had cattle. And sometimes people will put with their horses or with their cattle, they'll put a donkey out in the field because a coyote or some predator comes, that donkey will kill it. That donkey will kick until that thing is done. And so an animal that can't really protect itself, that donkey will come in and kick. I'm just educating here, the studio audience, because I know all you. So I'm educating these city folk. And so. Well, they're not all city folk. But anyway, so you get on a donkey and he doesn't want to be ridden, you're getting off. If he decides you're not riding me, he will kick until you're off. I love that. That's what the preacher said to the devil. You just done jumped on the wrong donkey. Why? Because I'm going to kick and I'm going to kick and I'm kicking and you're coming off. Amen. Now, see, he did the right thing with his. I didn't do that. I let that thing ride me like a donkey. And Jesus came up and he rebuked me in that service. He said, where is your faith? I was stunned. I thought, that's not the problem. I've got faith. The problem is this thought. You know, it's like, don't you get it? Anybody else ever been there trying to help Jesus understand what you're thinking or how you're thinking wrong? He. He doesn't understand your wrong thinking. He only knows right thinking. So anyway, so he said to me, where is your faith? I just was stunned. I thought, so you're not going to do anything about this? And he said, as a sign that I've spoken to you, he said, call up a healing line and I'll heal them. And I thought, what about me? What are you going to do about me? What do you mean them? Right. When something is looming large, you're looking for that help. So anyway, so I did. I caught up a healing line, laid hands on people, and God healed them. And it really wasn't until several, really years later that I was standing in my closet one day and I was thinking about some of these things regarding the mind. And he began dealing with me about faith. Believes the right thing when there's no. When there's nothing opposing it. Right? I mean, it's easy to believe the right thing when it's not being opposed. But when opposition comes up, faith still believes the right thing. It doesn't let opposition change what it believes.
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Studio Audience
That's right.
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Nancy Dufresne
Let me give you an example. You remember when Jesus said to his disciples, he said they were getting a boat. He said, let's go to the other side. And remember, they all got in the boat. Jesus lays down to take a nap in the boat. So a storm comes up. Peter comes and wakes Jesus up. But it's kind of amusing to me, the words he uses. Carest thou not that we perish? In other words, we're panicked. Why are you not panicking? You know, people who are not exercising faith get into a panic, and then they don't get happy when you're not panicked with them. But faith isn't panic because it knows ahead of time the outcome. And so I love the word that. It's comical to me what Peter said. Carest thou not? So he accused him because he wasn't panicking of not caring. You don't have to. You don't show that you're interested in someone by panicking for them.
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Studio Audience
That's right. Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Running like an emergency truck to the situation. And so that's what Peter said. Carest thou not that we perish? Now listen to Peter's words. What's he believe now? We're perishing. First of all, he accuses Jesus of not caring. That's a sign of wrong thinking.
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Studio Audience
That's right.
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Nancy Dufresne
The second thing is, he said, we're perishing. Well, he didn't believe that when they started, right?
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Studio Audience
That's right.
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Nancy Dufresne
He wouldn't have got in that boat if he believed when they got in that they were going to perish. He believed, we're going to the other side. Right. He believed that. That's what he got in the boat. So he was believing. Right. Then circumstances arose, storms arose, winds arose, waves got higher. Yeah. Anybody recognize those symptoms? And he changed what he believed because of what he felt and saw. That's wrong thinking. You believed. He believed they were going to get to the other side before the storm came. What do you do when a storm comes? You still believe you're going to get to the other side. You don't change your words midway through and say, we're perishing. Jesus got up and rebuked the wind, rebuked the waves. And then he turned to Peter and said, where's your faith? I go, oh, I recognize those words. That's what he said to me. That service, right before I ministered. He walked up on the platform and said to me, where's your faith? And then I said, oh, I see what he was saying. And here it was, years later that it dawned on me. When he said, where's your faith? He was saying, why did you change what you believed just because circumstances changed? Wrong thinking changes what it believes. Right thinking holds fast to that which it has now. Shadrach and Meshach and Abednego, they were unchanging when they said to King Nebuchadnezzar, we're not bowing down and worshiping this. When the furnace got seven times hotter they didn't change.
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Studio Audience
That's right.
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Nancy Dufresne
That's faith. Faith doesn't change to adjust what it believes based on circumstances, based on what it feels, based on what it sees, based on what it hears. It's what you believed before symptoms came. That's what you believe when symptoms come. What you believe when your bills were paid. That's what you believe when it looks like your bills aren't going to be paid. That's right thinking. Amen. So it took me really several years before I even saw what Jesus was saying. Where is your faith? I let that troubling thought adjust and change. Change what I believe. And this is where some people have laid their faith down and drifted from faith is because hardships came, difficulties came and redefined what they believed. Don't let anything change the definition of your faith. Only God's word defines right thinking for us. Don't let circumstances define what right thinking is.
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Studio Audience
That's right.
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Nancy Dufresne
The word defines right thinking. Amen. It took me several years before it dawned on me that real victory. Let me tell you this. Real victory doesn't just want relief. Excuse me. Real faith doesn't just want relief. It holds out for victory. Because sometimes just getting out from under pressure is what people want. I don't want out from under pressure. I want victory.
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Studio Audience
Victory.
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Nancy Dufresne
Amen. That means I don't settle until what I've been believing for shows up. Praise the Lord. The Word works, but it needs our cooperation. And so I remember when Jesus walked up on that platform and he said to me, where is your faith? Notice this. You can have faith and not be in it. You can have faith and not be using it. Remember what I believe. It was Paul that wrote, he said, examine yourselves to see whether you be in the faith. He didn't say, examine to see whether you have faith. Because if you're a believer, there's faith in your heart. If you're a Christian, there's faith in you. The faith of God is in you. That's right. Now that faith can be increased or it can be neglected. But the Word says, examine yourselves to see whether you're in the faith. When troubling thoughts come, make sure you get and are in your faith. Not just have it, but you're in it. You say, well, Pastor Nancy, how can you have faith and not be in faith? Well, how can you have a car and not be in the car? How can you have a house and not be in the house? You can have something and not be using it. So Jesus in the storm turned around to Peter. And he said, where is your faith now? Notice they didn't cause the storm. They didn't cause the boat to begin to fill up with water. They didn't cause the wind to blow. So he not only rebuked the storm, but he rebuked their response in the storm. Right thinking has the right response in the storm. Amen. I remember years ago at a season when, you know, I learned a lot of these things because there was extended seasons of tests that I had faced. And I was looking for somebody to articulate my answer for me. And I couldn't find that articulation. And I said, God, if you teach me, I'll do my best to teach. Teach it to others so they won't have to go through what I went through. And I remember one time I said to God, just. My mind was just being beat on, thought after thought. And I said these words to God. I said, I literally feel like I had been beat on. Like somebody put me in a corner and just beat on me. I was a little cautious at even saying those words, but, you know, he knows what you're thinking anyway. So I just said, God, I'm just telling you that's. I just feel like I have been beat on from every side. And he said, that's the sign that you're coming to the end of the storm. And I said, what do you mean? And he took me over to Matthew, chapter seven, that there were two houses, right? One was founded on the rock, one was founded on the sand. It says, and I'm trying. I don't have the scripture reference, but it says the rains came, the floods came, the winds blew. And what was the fourth beat on that house? The rains descended, the floods came, the winds blew and beat on that house. Four stages, a progression of that test. First the rains, then the floods. See, the house felt, both houses felt the rain. Both houses were submitted to a flood. Subjected to a flood. Rather, subjected to a flood. What's with flood? Nothing goes untouched. When there's a flood, everything is touched. Every. When there's a flood of tests against your life, every arena is touched. That doesn't mean you're doing something wrong. You get that. That doesn't mean you're doing something wrong. That means you're worth testing. The test isn't from God, it's from the enemy. But it says that the rains descended, the floods came, the winds blew. What's the wind? You don't see it. You see the effects of it. But you can feel the wind. I mean, just even in this recording, these episodes, there was a lot of wind outside. We heard that. You can feel things blowing. And then the fourth thing it says, and beat upon that house. And God said, see that beating? The house felt the rain. The house on the rock felt the rain. Both of them felt it. Felt the rain, felt the floods. The winds came to both of them, and both of them took a beating. But the one on the rock was unmoved. Yes. And he said to me, how do you know which house was on the rock? And I said, well, the one that was still standing. After all of that, the one on the sand collapsed. So you knew which one wasn't on the rock. He said to me, are you still standing? I said, I sure am. I'm still holding to your word. I'm still confessing your word. He said, then you win. See, we thought. I thought in my own thinking that if my faith was working and that if I was thinking right, I thought I wouldn't be facing the test. That's not what determines whether or not you're on the rock, whether or not you're facing the test. What determines is at the end of it. Are you still standing? Are you still standing on the word? Do you still have his word in your mouth? Are you still holding fast? He said, that's what determines. And when I said to him, I said to him, I feel like I've been beat on. He said, that's the fourth stage of that test, and that's the final stage. I said, whoa, Brighter. And it wasn't long that every trace of that test was gone. But now I had light, now I had revelation, Now I had a working knowledge, because I had the wrong thinking that if I had faith, that I wouldn't be feeling this. See, that's wrong thinking.
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Studio Audience
That's right.
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Nancy Dufresne
I thought in wrong thinking that if I had faith, I wouldn't be going through this. See, being a Christian having faith doesn't mean things don't come. That's right. Being a Christian having faith means that when they come, you still stand. Amen. Well, the devil may have told you your faith isn't working or the word isn't working, or confession isn't working. Are you still standing? Are you still standing? Amen. Because when you just keep standing, that word will support you. It's a rock. Amen. Hallelujah. Well, we're teaching some of the things that we have in this book, a sound discipline. We want you to get hold of it. It'll be a blessing to you because you can go at your own pace. You can read it at your own pace. So get hold of it@DefrainMinistries.org, we'd love to get it to you. And remember this no matter what you're facing, Jesus is the healer. We love you. God bless you.
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Kenneth Copeland
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Announcer
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Kenneth Copeland
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