← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Kenneth Copeland
Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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Nancy Dufresne
There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now. I receive it right now from the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We are so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the healer. I tell you what, the Word takes our life and sets it on course, and that's what we're believing for today, that you have greater clarity and understanding and knowledge about what God has for your life through this broadcast. Amen. Become a student as you sit and watch the teaching today. Because what you get in you is what's going to make the difference. And what you live is what's going to make the difference. And so we got to get it in us so that we can live it.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
And so we invite you. Get your Bible, get a notepad and pen or pencil and follow along with us. Because we're believing God, that He's going to say things to you that maybe didn't even come out of my mouth. Thank God for what he will have me to say. But also, we're not limited to just me, because you have the Holy Ghost, who's your teacher, and he will certainly bring specific help to your life.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
We've been teaching on the mind, and we're so glad to be able to address this subject, because the more we think like God, the sweeter life will be. The more we think like God, the more we will receive of the flow that he has already made ours. It's when we don't think like him that things are hindered not from God. But wrong thinking hinders God. Wrong thinking hinders the power of God. And we know this, that when we think right, we have a closed door to the enemy. And when we think right, we have an open door to God. If we think wrong, then the enemy can gain access. And we want to remember what Paul wrote in Ephesians 4, verse 27. He said, Neither give place to the devil, so wrong thinking gives him a place. Now Notice this. It doesn't say anything about the devil taking a place. It says about us giving him a place. Meaning he can't take a place in us if we don't give it to him. And you say, pastor Nancy, I can look back and see where I've given him place. Well, if you gave him a place, you can take back the place you gave him.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Right thinking is what keeps the door closed to the enemy, opens it to God. But wrong thinking will give place to the enemy. And so that's why I'm so thankful that God is talking to us about the mind. Right thoughts, renewing the mind with the word of God. You know, no matter what you need to receive from God, to cooperate with God, you have to think right.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
People say, well, it's all about faith. Yes, but we believe in line with how we think. If we think wrong, we believe wrong. Our thinking directs what we believe. Our believing directs what we say and directs what we do. So since all of these things are directed by our thinking, we want to make sure that our thinking is directed by the Word.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So those of us who. Those of you who may be watching and you need healing, your help is in right thinking. Because people think, well, it's all up to God. Well, his power will work, but it can only work where there's an open door to his power. And it's right thinking. And that keeps the door open to the power of God. Whether we recognize it or not. Worry which is wrong thinking closes the door to the power of God. Fearful thoughts close the door to the power of God. Doubt closes the door to the power of God. Why? Because none of those are his flow.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
The Word tells us my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. That's what it says in Hosea 4. 6. My people, not the devil's, not the devil's children. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Why is the lack of knowledge so destructive? Because those who lack knowledge think wrong. So my people are destroyed by wrong thinking. You have to gain knowledge to straighten out the thought life. Thank God, his word is his thoughts. That he didn't just say, guess what I'm thinking today? No, he made it known to us. So since he offers us his thoughts, notice he doesn't force his thoughts into you. You have to choose Him. You have to cooperate with him, respond to Him. But because he has offered us his thoughts, it would. The great blessing is in taking what he offers.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So the more we think like God, the more. The more of his power will be manifested in our life. The more answers we're going to have, the more our health will reflect what belongs to us, the more our finances will reflect the prosperity that he's made ours. It goes back to the thinking, because really, what's it say in the Word? As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. That's what his life is going to look like, is the way he thinks. Our life doesn't look like what belongs to us. Our life looks like what we think because so much belongs to us that we've never even partaken of yet. And so it's our thinking that either opens the door or closes the door to things that God has made ours showing up in our life. And so you say, well, Pastor Nancy, you've called your broadcast Jesus the healer, but you're talking about the mind, because what happens to your body is directed by your thought life. So we're dealing with the root of situations. We're not just going to address the symptoms because so much of the time people think that if I can just say more healing scriptures. Well, thank God, yes, But sometimes something has to be adjusted in our thinking so that that power of those scriptures can flow unhindered. That's right. Amen. So I'm so glad that God talked to us first about in these episodes and teaching talk about the mind, because, I mean, there's so much to say. It's a vast subject. And as I said, the way we think affects everything. Everything. You know why people didn't get saved earlier than they did? First of all, they might not have heard it before then, but many of us heard it but didn't accept it. Yes, that's true. Some heard for years about Jesus being the Savior, and due to their wrong thinking, they didn't accept it. So thank God, he offers us his thoughts in his Word. And so we want to make sure that we bring every day we're bringing our thought life, our way of thinking, closer into how he thinks.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
That's called renewing the mind.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
And Paul says In Romans chapter 12, verse 2, be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by how? By the renewing of the mind, by taking God's thoughts, taking God's words and making them yours. That's what the renewing of the mind is, that you start conducting your everyday life in line with his word, with his thoughts.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Praise the Lord. Now, we've been taking for our golden text in these episodes, 2 Timothy 1:7, Paul was writing to Timothy, and he said, for God has not given us the spirit of fear. So now we know we should not accept any thought that's in line with fear. Cause God's not moving that way because that flow is not of him. And he doesn't use that flow to communicate to his children through. So God has not given us a spirit of fear, but he has given us power, love. Look at this. And a sound mind. So in Christ, part of our inheritance is a sound mind. It belongs to us. It said. He's given us that. Now it's our privilege to learn, to be skillful with how sound mind functions, how sound mind operates. What does a sound mind permit? What does a sound mind not permit?
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
And thank God for the word that lets us know these things. The Amplified translation describing this phrase. A sound mind says this. It's a calm mind. It's a well balanced mind. Meaning it's not in a ditch, it's not in the extremes. It's right down the middle. Then it's a mind that's disciplined. Yes. It's a mind that's self controlled. Meaning this. You gotta pay attention to your thought life. What are you allowing yourself to think about? How many times have we all done this? At different times. We've been worried for a week before we realized it. I mean, just. Just following just any old thought that came up and just turning that over. And you've got to learn to catch things. The earlier you catch them, the easier it is to disarm them. That's right. The longer they live with us, the more accustomed we become to that flow. And some people have become so accustomed to the flow of fear, the flow of doubt, the flow of worry, that to them they call it normal. But God calls it wrong. Yes, he does. It's against the flow of the sound mind.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
We've been going and looking at Philippians chapter 4 and verse 11. And I want to continue this direction today. Philippians 4:11. And I'm going to read out of the Amplified Classic translation. Paul is writing and he says, not that I am implying that I was in any personal want, look at this. For I have learned. I have learned. How did he learn? He became a student. Yeah. He became teachable. The more teachable you are, the more you'll learn. For I have learned how to be content. And then the Amplified defines what is meant in this word. Content, Satisfied. To the point where I'm not disturbed or disquieted in whatever state I am. How important that phrase is Whatever state I am. Because he's in a very remarkable state when he writes this. He's in prison. What a state to be in, What a setting to be in. And he says, I have learned in this setting of prison where I don't want to be, where it's not easy on the mind or easy on the flesh. He's saying, I've learned how to be untroubled right in this place. I've learned how to be undisturbed and not disquieted right in this place. So now we see from the word. Whether or not we're troubled or not does not depend on our setting. Because if it depended on our setting, then Paul couldn't have said this.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
It depends on what we think in that setting, how we think in that setting, what we're going to allow ourselves to think on in that setting, what we're going to magnify in our thought life, what we're going to hold to in our thought life, what we're going to forbid in our thought life. And so I so value this verse and especially the way the amplified states it, because I'm satisfied to the point satisfied to the point where I'm not disturbed. I'm not disturbed. It's not about getting tests to leave you alone. It's about you learning to be undisturbed.
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Audience
That's good.
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Nancy Dufresne
That's right. Amen. I saw a plaque years ago, and I so appreciate it because it shows this here, the plaque. Read this. It said, life is not about waiting for the storm to pass. It's learning to dance in the rain. We're not magnifying the rain of a storm, but we're saying we control us in the storm. The storm doesn't control us. And you can't determine and you can't stop opposition from coming. Many times. You can't stop tests from coming just because you're in this location of the earth. But you can control every bit the effect that test has on you. And the sound mind is undisturbed. The sound mind is untroubled. And this is something that I faced, and this is when God led me to this scripture years ago. Because I was troubled by what a test I was going through. And God said, that's your fault. It's not the fault of the test. That's your fault. He said, you haven't learned some things yet. You need to learn how to be untroubled. And then I found out how you learned to be untroubled by what you put your Attention on what you put your attention on.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Great faith always has as a companion. Someone with a disciplined thought life. You can't have great faith in an undisciplined thought life. Can't do it. You cannot have great faith in an uncontrolled emotions. Can't do it. To have and to grow to the point of having a strong, robust and great faith means you're going to have to pay attention to things that are connected to your faith. Because people think, well, if I can just hear more word. Absolutely hear more word. Because faith comes by hearing the word. But we still have to pay attention to what we allow ourself to think on in a test. That's right.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
The more you fill up with the word, the easier it is to recognize right thinking. Yes, that's true. Amen. Because you learn to recognize this isn't in line with the word. This. That thought's not in line with the word. And sometimes we have taken on such a way of thinking that we think that our thoughts are right until the word shows up and starts jerking our chain and start pulling out the slack, you know?
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
And so this is where I was missing. It is. I was waiting for this test to pass. If you're waiting for a test to pass, there are days of heaven on earth you're missing out on. Because you can have days of heaven on earth in the face of a test. Why? Because the greater One, who is the source of heaven on earth, did not leave you in the test. That's right. So a right thinking is about where is your attention? What are you focused on at that moment of being in circumstances that try to trouble you. Where's your focus? Where's your attention? No matter what you feel, your attention is still under your control. The devil cannot take your attention from you. You have to hand it to him. And we're learning to take back our attention from wrong words, threatening thoughts.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Feelings that are against the word.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
We're learning to quit being led by what we feel. Learning to quit being led by the emotions. God gave you your emotions, but not to lead you. That's right. They are not a worthy leader. They're not equipped to lead. They're only equipped to color your life. Sit. Color your life, but not lead your life. That means we don't fall apart.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
We forbid it. I don't fall apart. Why? Because I know too much. I know too much. If I were to say this. If someone were to work a puzzle. You know, some people Enjoy working puzzles. And if that puzzle got pushed off to the edge, a two or three year old might see it and think and see some pieces fall off and think the thing's broken forever. But to the one who knows where the pieces go, you don't care that it fell off, just put it back. We don't care that circumstances show up. We know how to hold things in place. Why? Because of what we know.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
And we don't lay down what we know in the face of what we feel. And this is where many miss it. They lay down their peace, they lay down their joy. They lay down their victory because they're leaning to what they feel. Do not lay down what you know just because you're feeling something, just because you're hearing something contrary.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
And this is really where real victory is. When Paul is talking about, I learned how to be content, he's not content to be in that prison, but he's content while he's there. So this is real victory. It's not things being in place, it's you being in place. Amen. And whether or not you're in place is under your control. It's not controlled by circumstances, it's not controlled by opposition, it's not controlled by troubling thoughts. You in place is totally within your control. And thank God for the Word that shows us the place to hold ourselves.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Praise the Lord. Well, we know this because Proverbs chapter 4, verse 20. God spoke and he said, attend to my words, my son. Attend to my words, my son. Attend to my words, my son. Attend to my words. Put your attention on his words. God knows something else is after your attention. And what gets your attention wins. What gets your attention wins. So you stay in control.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Renew your mind with the Word. Take on God's way of thinking and demand that no matter what shows up in the face of that, you will not leave what the Word says. I'm not being swayed off of the Word. Now part of the help of that feeding on the Word, filling up with the Word anchors you. Praying in the Spirit strengthens your faith. So we should feed on the Word, we should pray in the Spirit, but also we need to pay attention to our fellowship. Who we are fellowshipping with will have a role in playing where we put our attention. Because wrong fellowship can put your attention on the wrong. Draw your attention to the wrong thing. When you're believing God for a miracle, you don't have room for anything else but what God says. And you cannot surround your life with people, when you're believing for a miracle, with people who are drawing, trying to draw your attention away from the miracle, drawing your attention away from the Lord. This is why a local church is so important in the life of the believer. Because that's the place you're going to find your fellowship for miracles. You can't find fellowship. Somebody who can fellowship with you around the Word. You can't find that everywhere.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
And when I'm talking about fellowship, I'm not just talking about being hospitable and courteous. I'm talking about who speaks into your life. That's right, who you're listening to, who are you taking cues from, so to speak. And so in the local church, you're going to find a fellowship, someone that can speak into your life with the flow of the Word when they're taught the Word. When you're going to a church that teaches you the Word, I tell you what, you're going to need the fellowship of that place, primarily of your pastor, but also of the saints, because they can encourage you. I mean, you walk in and you can try to. If I could say this, what you're facing may be trying to sit heavy on you. And you can walk in and just the door greeter, have faith in their voice and greet you. And I mean, something can be imparted of their faith into you that drives that and helps lift that. And so to help you in your time of testing and trials, keep yourself surrounded with right fellowship. And this is why the local church is so important. It is so important.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
And thank God for episodes like this where I get to come and I get to teach you. But let me just tell you this. As much as I love teaching you, it can't take the place of the role of the anointing of the pastor on your life. Turn with me if you would. Cause I could stay on this for days and weeks and months and just a couple years while we're at it. Why? Because I've pastored for 25 years and I don't preach this to fill up a church. I preach this to rescue people's lives and to show them where many times the devil's gaining access. Because we're missing some things sometimes in the Word that if we'll make some corrections, things will fall into place in our life. Hebrews chapter 10, verse 25. And I'm going to read again out of the amplified classic translation. Hebrews chapter 10, verse 25. And it reads, not forsaking or neglecting to assemble Together as believers. As is. Look at this. As is the habit of some people, but admonishing, warning, urging and encouraging one another. In what? Keep assembling, keep coming together. Where is he talking about? He's not talking about assembling at the mall. That's right. He's talking about in the local church around the teaching of the Word. And he says, but admonish warning, urging and encouraging one another and all the more faithfully as you see the day approaching. Ah, notice this. The time we live in calls for the role of the local church in our life in a particular way. Listen, the role of the local church was always necessary and not optional in the life of the believer. But notice this all the more faithfully as you see the day approaching. Why? Because in the last days there's going to come greater opposition. I believe there's demons that are held in reserve for the last days. Why? To oppose those in the last days. Why? Trying to abort the great harvest. Trying to abort the rising up of the church. But don't be concerned about that because I believe there's also angels held in reserve for the last days. And that's our day.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
But we have to cooperate with these divine beings, with these angels of heaven who are part of God's weaponry. But notice we have to be found in the place where we're encouraged around the things of the Word. We're fortified by one another. That we are, if I could say this, feeding on faith together.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Because when you need someone to agree with you in prayer, you need to know who's believing. Don't just get someone you love to agree with you. You understand that just because you love them doesn't mean they got faith for your miracle.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
I'm not diminishing people you love, but I'm saying when you need a miracle from God, it's about faith and what you believe in. Somebody who thinks like God. That's right. And so not forsaking or neglecting to assemble together. Forsaking means they've given it up completely. Some people just say, well, you know, Jesus is enough for me. He's all I need. Well, you're going to have to qualify that statement because that's a blanket statement you have to be careful with. Because you can't use that statement to dismiss yourself from doing the Word. That's right. The Word says to assemble together. So some people say, Jesus is all I need. And I guarantee you Jesus is all you need for your redemption. He paid the price for you to be redeemed. You can't earn it, you can't work for it. But once you're saved, you need somebody to teach you. You need someone to teach the Word to you. Why? So that you're not a self taught risk. Being self taught is risky. I tell you, it's risky. And God did not leave our spiritual development and growth to being self taught. He gave us gifts. Jesus gave us gifts. Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers. Why? So that we don't fall into the risk of being self taught. Because we need to be balanced. We need what God puts in another man, what he anoints another man for our lives. And amen. And so don't forsake the assembling. That means some people have given it up completely and then others it says or neglect it. That means they do it whenever it's convenient. Not forsaking or neglecting to assemble together as believers. Look at this next phrase, as is the habit. And sometimes people haven't been taught these things they don't know. And so thank God for the Word that we learned. Because as we're in the local church, that's where we hear right thinking. That's the place that we have the opportunity to learn how to further renew our minds.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Where the Word is being taught and magnified.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Hallelujah. Well, we're so glad you've joined with us today and I want you to know we'll be back next time and we want you to join us again. So. So until then, remember this. Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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Kenneth Copeland
To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit dufresneministries.org.
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Announcer
It is possible to live untroubled and undisturbed, even in the presence of the enemy. Nancy Dufresne teaches how to close the door to worry, fear and doubt in this book about the peace of God. Order this book now@DefrainMinistries.org if you need prayer, please call our prayer line. We have trained ministers on staff who are ready to agree with you for your miracle.
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Kenneth Copeland
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Nancy Dufresne
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