← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Nancy Dufresne
Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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Nancy Dufresne
I receive it right now from the
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top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad you're joining us today. For Jesus the healer, it is our pure delight to get to spend this time with you. So thank you for joining us and we invite you. Get hold of your Bible, get hold of something to take notes with because we don't want you to miss the answers that we believe that you're going to hear today. How many of you know the Word is the answer book? And so we're learning to recognize our answer in His Word, and we're taking note of that. You know, that God will give us answers for things that haven't even shown up as questions in our life yet. But God, God will stock the shells of our life with his answers. And so we want to take note of what he speaks to us because it's an answer we're going to need in this life. Amen. Well, I want us to go further. We've been going the last two episodes. We're looking at something that belongs to us in Christ. And one of the things that belongs to us in Christ is supply. We will never be without supply, no matter what need shows up that in Christ, what belongs to us is all the provision, all the answers, all the help. And know this, when I talk about supply, I'm not just limiting it to a financial flow. Every single arena of our life needs the supply of God. You know, your marriage needs the supply of God. Raising your children, you need the supply of God. In running a business, you need the supply of God. Just in really living this victorious life, it calls for a daily supply of God. It's not just a financial supply, but we need his wisdom, we need his guidance, we need his peace, we need his joy that all of these are supplies that belong to belong to the life of the believer. And can I tell you, there's nothing of God that He's withheld from us. His nature belongs to us. The life of God belongs to us. His attributes belong to us. And who he is, The Word says that God is love that belongs to us. That it's not just, it's not just feelings of love, but it's the flow, it's the love nature of God himself that belongs to us. We have the same love nature on the inside of us. There's nothing of God that's been withheld from, from us. What's that mean? We have a supply for everything that will ever show up in our life. And that supply is in Christ. And as we learn to yield to and draw on the wealth of the greater One on the inside of us, putting him to work for us, we draw on our supply. He is the answer to every single need. You're going to have needs that are going to show up in this life. No worry, no fear. There is an absolute supply for every need. We were looking at Hebrews, chapter four, verse three, the amplified classic translation, and I just want to focus on the last phrase of this verse. It says this that God's works had been completed and prepared and waiting for all who would believe from the foundation of the world. Notice this about the works of God in your life. The plan of God that He authored for your life, he's already completed it. He's already prepared every single resource, every single supply, every provision that you're going to need, every victory you're going to need, every, every revelation you're going to need, all the wisdom you're going to need. It's completed, it's prepared for you. Look at this. And it's waiting for all who would believe. So what is it that opens up and draws on this provision? That's complete faith. It's waiting for all who would believe. So it's not about forming a plan for our life, it's about hearing a plan and then walking that plan out and knowing this. Everything I'm called to, everything I'm born for has a supply. It has all the resources it needs, it has all everything that will, that will meet. Every single question that I face, I have an answer for it. And when we we are to learn to live supply minded, not need minded. If you're going to live need minded, you're going to live troubled, you're going to be fearful, you're going to be doubting, you're going to be worried. If you just live need minded. But it tells us In Philippians chapter 4, verse 19, Paul was writing and he said, my God shall supply. There's no, there's no question in this. It's not, I hope this works. My God shall. It is so certain. My God shall supply all your need. Look at this. According to his riches and glory by Christ Jesus, the riches of his glory that are in Christ is in you. Therefore you are authorized to know that every single need is full supplied. Become supply minded, not need minded. When God delivered his people out of Egypt, they were so need minded, they were not supply minded. There was a pillar of fire by night, there was a cloud of glory by day that they could physically see. Yet they became more mindful of the need that they faced instead of the supply that was ever present with them. The supply of God. His presence was with them. But they were constantly talking about the need. What you talk about is what you're going to live mindful of. And so we are. We have to. If I could say this, rewire the way we think, rewire the way we speak, rewire the actions we take. How do we do that? We renew our minds with the word we say, every need I'll ever face in this life already has a supply. Talk about the supply. Don't magnify the need, magnify the God who supplies. Philippians 4:19. Look at the three important words. My God shall supply all your need. Look at this God. Supply, need. Magnify not the need, don't magnify the supply. Magnify the God who supplies. And be mindful of that. That supply. I want you to know it will cause you. It will dismiss you from a troubled life. It will dismiss you from a worried life. Don't be distracted or be troubled by what has already been met in Christ, because He will supply all our need. How? According to his riches and glory by Christ Jesus. It's not by your education, it's not by your networking with people. It's not by you having, if I could say this, good luck in life, it's by his riches in glory. And because you're in Christ Jesus, you are full of the riches of his glory. And that meets every single need in your life with divine supply. So, building your life, build in your thinking, build in your vocabulary. Every need I'll ever face today has a supply. Every single one. So I draw on by faith that supply. That's how you activate it. You talk about it. If you talk about the need, the need gets bigger. You talk about the supply, you activate the supply for the need. As I was saying in previous episodes, need does not mean Lack. There is not ever going to be lack in the life of God's people. Why? Because we always have a supply. Why? We have a Savior. We are in Christ. There is no such thing as not having it. Lack means you don't have it. Lack means it's not there. Supply means that it's already met. In Christ, a need does not mean lack. God will lead you to create a need. Why? Because he has a supply he's trying to get you into. He had. He led God's people out of Egypt to the Red Sea. He led them to the place where they needed a miracle. God's going to lead you to a place where you need a miracle. Why is that? Because he has a miracle waiting for you. He's waiting for you to arrive with your faith so that you can partake of the miracle that he's already supplied for that need. So that's what he did. At the Red Sea, they received manna out of heaven twice a day. They received water out of a rock. It was a supply for every need. A need is not a negative when you recognize every need is already supplied. If you're troubled by a need, it's because we have forgotten there's a supply for it. Now in this series called In Christ I Can, this is a series we've been on for well over 240 episodes now. And in this, one of the things that I have spoken much about is something that a testimony that Kenneth Copeland gave in the 1970s, early 1970s. Him and sister Gloria, they were in debt. They were learning the truths of prosperity. He was beginning to see what faith in God regarding the financial arena looked like. And one day, God spoke to Brother Copeland and he said, I want you to sow $50,000 into Kenneth Hagin's ministry. Now listen to that. God was giving him a command. He was not offering a suggestion. He was telling him what to do. Brother Copeland immediately did not talk about the need, I need $50,000. He immediately talked about the supply. He said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ, I can give it. He knew his own financial resources did not have $50,000. So he did not look and go first to his own resources. Before he answered God, he went first to who he was in Christ. In Christ, every single need is fully supplied. So that's the skill of Brother Copeland's answer that day when God said, I want you to sow $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin's ministry. He said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ, I can give it. What was he being. He was being supply minded. He was being in Christ minded. Now, if he would have been need minded, he would have said, I don't have that. I don't. I need that $50,000. I don't have that. And he would have gotten into fear. He could have gotten into worry and missed what God was doing. Why did God command him of that? Why did he command him give the $50,000? He was not trying to get $50,000 out of brother Copeland. He was trying to get him into a supply he had never been in before. So God will give you a command to do something because he has a supply waiting for you to walk into. If we don't follow him and obey what he's commanding us to do, he can't get us into a flow of supply that's waiting for us. So anytime God tells you to create a need, it's not to have a need. It's so you can be a partaker of a supply. So Brother Copeland obeyed God. Every day he would just put the coins that he had collected from breaking a dollar bill, he'd throw them into a box, a shoebox under his bed. And then when that box would get full, he would just send that off to their ministry. After several times of doing that, he contacted their ministry to see how much have I given? And they said, brother Copeland, you've given well over $50,000. And Brother Copeland said, There's no way that $50,000 came in coins that I put in that shoebox. But what was it the Word tells us? God will multiply our seed sown. Once we sow it, he'll multiply it. He's not a counterfeiter, but he is a multiplier. That's what happened with Jesus with the loaves and fish. He was needing to feed that multitude that day, and he only had the little boy's lunch, five loaves, two fish. He blessed it. And what happened? God multiplied the seed as he sowed it out into the congregation, then that multiplied. And that's what happened when Brother Copeland gave those coins to Brother Hagin's ministry, God multiplied the seed sown. What did he do? He partook of a miracle. Because he was willing to obey God to follow him and say yes to that need, the need to give $50,000. He obeyed it, and it became a supply and a miracle he would have never partaken of if he hadn't faced that need. Now, as I said, God will lead you to create a need. Why? Because he has the supply for the need. Waiting on you. We don't require a supply if we don't have a need. But this will help us keep living close to God. To have a need will keep us living close to God because we know that the supply for the need can only be met in God. We can't distance ourself from God and receive the full supply of. We can't receive the full supply for a need when we're living far from God. It will help us to be aware of our dependence upon Him. Amen. So the plan of God that God has for us, it requires for us to draw on in Christ. You know what God has told me to do, commanded me to do in the plan of God holds for just our ministry. I can't fulfill that without a miracle. I can't fulfill that apart from Him. I have to completely draw on Him. Why? Because the plan he authored for my life, the plan God authored for your life, he was factoring Himself in. He was not authoring a plan that you could fulfill apart from Him. He authored a plan for your life that requires Him. When we understand that, that will keep us living close to God because there's no fulfilling that. The plan of God apart from him, it requires Him. And so God intends. He authored a plan for our life because he intends to fulfill that plan through us. He does not intend that we fulfill that plan apart from Him. What's this mean? It means that it keeps us living close to God because we cannot fulfill the plan of apart from Him. Amen. Now, when my husband went to Heaven Back in 2013, God put my children on an accelerated fast track of faith development. Why is that? Because he needed them to be ready to bring a supply. Because their dad wasn't here anymore. And so he was going to put a demand on them not to take their daddy's place, but to come up in their faith to keep pace with the plan of God. This is what's important. We have to keep feeding our faith so that our faith can keep pace with the plan of God. When God is endeavoring to take us into something, our faith has to be ready to go there. Our faith can't falter because at the point our faith falters and says, I can't do that. And then we're going to have to get our faith fed, strengthen our faith, so we can keep moving with God. That's why we never want to stop feeding our faith. We don't want our faith to pause. We want our faith to keep carrying a momentum and keep moving with the plan. And the pace of God. Well that's exactly what God did for my children, that he did with Joseph. Remember, Joseph was a shepherd boy helping his father in the field. But one day his brothers became jealous of him and they sold him into slavery. He was carried off into Egypt and he became a slave. And then he was thrown in prison, falsely accused of a crime. Look at this. For 12 years he was falsely accused of a crime and held in prison. What was God doing? God did not bring this hardship in his life, but God used the places of his life to develop and build this, this young man. He was sold into slavery when he was about 17 years old. But God had a plan. What was God's plan? Put him right next to the Pharaoh. Because he was going to use this young man to rescue God's people in a time of famine. This time of famine. He needed Joseph to be ready to sit on the throne next to the next to Pharaoh at the age of 30. Wow. To have someone, a 30 year old young man, ready to sit alongside the Pharaoh. Ready in maturity, ready in excellence, ready in a mature way of thinking, a developed spirit. He needed him to be ready by 30. What was that? There was a fast track Joseph had to go on. He couldn't take the course of other young people. You know, sometimes young people, their lives, they just, they, they take the long way to get to spiritual development. God didn't have time for Joseph to go the long route. He had to put him on the accelerated route. And so I love something that one preacher said. He said God can pull you through anything if you can stand the pull. Well that's true. You can feel the pressure. Spiritual development, what is that? The devil trying to oppose and hinder you in your progress? God doesn't hinder. God doesn't oppose. But the faster God takes you, the faster you, the more you can feel the pressure of that pace that the devil's trying to hinder, he's trying to slow down or circumstances. Well, the same thing happened with my children in a sense is that when their dad went home to be with the Lord, their faith had to step up. God had to accelerate their spiritual development. And in that God put a need in their life. I'm just considering my oldest son and his wife. At the time of my husband's homegoing, they owned their own home. It was a lovely home there in California. But it was easy for their faith to, to move at that level. They had by faith received the money that they needed to get in it. Not to say that they didn't have to put a demand on their faith. They did. But it became easier for them as they were in that flow. And so their faith had progressed to a point to where one day God spoke to them, said, I have another house for you. And in all honesty, they said, father, we like the house we're in. But the house they were in did not put a demand on their faith. Now listen to that. The place they were at did not put a demand on their faith. So God said to them, I have another house for you. And just so that they would not be comfortable during that time. Because, you know, sometimes if God says, I want you to do something, if everything's real comfortable, you're not real and you're not real. If I could say this. Inspired to move quickly. He needed them to pick up the pace. So he said, move out of this house, they thought. And where were they going to move? They're going to move with. In with my. With me. That was fine with me. I had my. My home was sufficient for that. And I enjoyed, of course, being with my family. But he knew it would be uncomfortable for them. They were used to being in their own home. They were a married couple. They had a child. They didn't want to feel like they were living with me. I traveled a lot. I would travel full time. So they weren't really with us a lot during that time in the sense of us being in the same house together. But it wasn't comfortable for them. They wanted to be in their own place. I understood that. But God knew if he put them and directed them to stay with me for a short time, they would be real inspired to get real quickly using their faith. But so they did. And God moved them and directed them toward a home that was over double the price of the home they had been in. What did that mean? It put a greater demand on their faith. And what did that do? They pressed so much further into God. I want you to know a need will help you live close to God. This is what I saw in my own life. I've seen it in my children's life. A need is a positive. It's not to be a negative. It's only a negative when we don't think in line with the word of God. But God put them at such a so much greater need than they had ever been before that they prayed that they pressed into God. They knew they had to hear from God. They knew they had to learn to not worry. They had to learn to cast their care. They had to learn to Keep giving. When it looked like they need to hold on to every penny that they had, they had to, they had to grow up quickly and God was helping their faith. I want you to know God is not going to do what's most comfortable for your flesh and he's going to do what's best for your faith. Now did you get that? He's not going to do what's most comfortable for your mind and what's most comfortable for your flesh. He needs your faith growing. He needs your faith taking on more ground. So God is going to do what is best for your faith. How did God do that with my children? He told them to create a need. They really, like I said, they were quite content in the previous home that they owned. But their faith was not challenged as it needed to be. That's why we cannot look at somebody and say they don't need that big of a home. They don't need another airplane for their ministry. They don't need, you know, that much property. If I could say this, my children did not need to a bigger house. Their faith needed a bigger house. That's why you can't look at someone else say, they don't need that. Their faith may need that. And God was. God is going to direct us based on our faith. Listen, you might not need to be in a further place for your faith, but that doesn't mean somebody else doesn't need to be in a further place for their faith. So that's why you don't look at something say, why do they need that big of a house? Why do they need that big of a property? Their faith needs it. If they're following God, he will always lead you to keep putting a demand on your faith. God is not ever going to lead us to have a faith that is comfortable. It's going to have to have a faith that's pressing because that's the only way faith will keep growing and developing and, and strengthening is that we have to have something it's reaching for. My, My children were put on a very fast track. I realized, and they recognized it and I recognized it. They weren't going the usual pace of other people their age. That's why you can't look at how God's leading someone else to know how God's leading you. God's leading you based on the plan of God for your life. He needed them to be on an accelerated path, and others didn't need that path because of the plan of God for their life. But my children needed an accelerated path why is that? God needed their faith ready. I need people around me who have a growing faith. I can't have people around me who are just living the way they've always lived, doing what they've always done and being content to not use their faith around the plan of God. In the ministry that God's called any pastor to, he needs people around them who are ready with their faith to move. They're not being touchy, they're not being offended, they're not living in strife, they're not living in offense. They're protecting their faith from those, from those wrong flows. I need my children to be in faith. I'm not their son, Savior. I'm not their supply. I'm not their provider. They need to know their provider. They needed to know God in a whole nother level. And when God put that demand on them to buy a larger home, their family needs didn't require a larger home. Their faith needs required a larger home. And so this is what you have to understand. God is going to do what's best for your faith and, and what's best for your faith is keep pressing, keep reaching, keep stretching. Because that will, that will really also keep you in a place where you go, I cannot abandon my walk with God. I can't back up on my walk with God. I've got to keep developing in my fellowship with God because he's the only provider that can, that supplies this need in my life. And I want you to know a need is not a negative. It's a place for you to come in to a greater supply that God has for your life. Amen. Well, you don't want to miss next time. And until next time, remember this. Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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Nancy Dufresne
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Nancy Dufresne
come join us for our Jesus the Healer crusade in Paducah, Kentucky at World Harvest Church of Paducah with pastors Chris and Amber Cody May 17th through the 21st, 2026. For more information and and to register for in person attendance, scan the QR code on the screen or visit our website@dufresneministries.org in this series, how to keep youp Healing by Nancy Dufresne. Learn how to skillfully stand your ground against the enemy's strategies and enjoy your total victory. Order now at defrainministries.org. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us@DefrainMinistries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, submit a prayer request, or visit our online store. Thank you to the friends and partners of Dufresne Ministries for making this production possible.
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I am so excited to share with you about our new worship album called Jesus the Healer Worship Volume 1. It is now available. On this I'm joined by my good friend Reba Rambeau, her daughter Destiny, and my son Grant Dufresne, along with others. These songs are important for the era that we're in. They're going to be a blessing to use in your local church as well as your own time of private devotional worship. Remember that you can get it today by going to defrainministries.org you can go to Spotify, Apple Music and other platforms. For more information or for more ways to listen, scan the QR code on your screen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Shop Nancy Dufresne's books and other products as well as Jesus the Healer merchandise on our website@jesusthehealer.org or call us at 951-696-9258 to place your order. Today we invite you to join us at World Harvest church, home of Dufresne Ministries in Marietta, California, located at 23109 Palomar Street, Murrieta, California. This is a Word and Spirit church. Join us in person or online Sunday mornings at 10am and Tuesday nights at 7pm Pacific Time. For more information, go to defrainministries.org.