← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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I receive it right now from the
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top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet.
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The soles of my feet.
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Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the healer. It is such a pleasure to spend this time with you. So thank you for joining us. And. And we are continuing in our series called In Christ I Can. And the last several series we've been. Or last several episodes rather, we've been talking about that we have a supply for every need. When we look at Colossians, chapter 2, verse 9, and this is the living Bible translation, it says this. For in Christ there is all of God in a human body. So you have everything. When you have Christ, well, just know in that word, everything is a supply for every part of the plan of God for your life. God authored a plan for your life, and then he filled you with Himself because He intends to be the one who fulfills that plan through you. And so we have an impossible plan to fulfill because it calls for God, meaning this. It's impossible to us without God, but with God, it's always possible. And so when God authored a plan for your life, he wasn't just thinking of you, he was thinking of him working through you. And that's why the plan looks impossible to us apart from Him. And so know this. God does us a favor by putting us in situations to where it requires Him. Because then we learn to live out of who he is in us, who Christ is in us, and who we are in Him. So we've been looking at what it means to have a supply from God. Brother Copeland made this statement. I so appreciate how he says this. He says the will of God is your wealthy place. He's not just talking about a financial thing, but he's saying this includes finances. But he's saying this is that the will of God is what enriches the every arena of life. It'll enrich your home, your marriage, Everything that is connected to your life, the will of God can only elevate it. It will never diminish any facet of our life. We've been looking at Hebrews chapter three, excuse me, Chapter four, verse three. And this is the Amplified classic translation and the very last phrase of it, God makes a statement. He was, it's recorded about this rather that his works were completed and prepared and prepared and waiting for all who would believe from the foundation of the world. This is what I want you to see, that in the plan of God he completed and prepared every single resource, every single, he answered every need that you would ever face before the need ever showed up. Basically, this is how when my husband went home to be with the Lord, I was able to finish so many of all the projects that he had started and was able to be at peace and not struggling in the face of those, those projects because I had built into myself, into my spirit, into my understanding, into my way of thinking that every need I'll ever face, God has already completed the supply for it. He's already prepared the supply for it. All I have to do is believe that there is a supply and receive that supply by faith. The supply God has already created and provided for us, it won't come to us automatically, it comes as faith lays hold of it. And so that's what Hebrews 4:3 says, that his works have been completed and prepared. Look at this. And waiting for all who would believe. So know this. Our, our, our supply, every answer to our supply, it's waiting on us. We're not waiting on God. He's waiting on our faith to lay hold of what he's completed and prepared. What's this mean? When your need shows up, God doesn't start scrambling, trying to create an answer for you. He before the foundation of the world, he already foresaw the need of your daily life. And he already planned, completed, prepared everything as a resource for that need. And so know this. That's the end of worry, that's the end of struggle, that's the end of fear. That means that we are, we are to leave being need minded and be supply minded. Now this is what Philippians 4:19 reminds us. Paul is talking about this and he's writing to people who had been generous to him, people who had given to him. And he's letting them know, my God shall supply all your need according to his riches and glory by Christ Jesus. How could Paul be so confident to tell them that the same God that supplied him would supply them? Well, because Paul knew this, that in God, whenever we're obeying him, following his plan, staying with his plan, that there is a supply for every single need. And he was reassuring them that you don't have to be concerned about the need because the supply is there to annihilate that need. And know this, the word need does not mean lack. It is so important that we not think of a need as a place of lack. We'll never have lack. Why? Because we are filled with the provider. Jesus is the provider. God's the provider for us. No matter what the need is, we'll never be without our provider. Therefore we never have lack of lack means there is no provision, but we have a provider. So lack is never to be part of our mindset or of our thinking at all. But God will lead us to create a need. Why will he lead us to create a need? Because then we require a supply and he has already authored the supply for us. So we are to be supply minded, not need minded. Our conversation is to carry and to speak of the supply of God. Our conversation is not to magnify a need we're facing, it's to magnify the God who supplies the need. My God shall supply all your need. Notice God is listed first, then supply, and the need is listed last. But in the mind of most people, the need is first. Well, we have to flip that and the renewed mind will flip that. We will recognize My Father, he supplies all my need. And therefore by the time we get to the word need, it's already met because God and supply have already been listed. So know this, we have to think the way the Word shows it to us. Now don't be distracted and don't be troubled by needs that have already been met in Christ. Yes, as long as you are in this earth, needs are going to arise. But know this, they are supplied needs as you use your faith that supply can flow unhindered into your life. Now I make this statement especially in speaking to students. We have a Bible school. And one of the things that I am aware of in teaching students, one of the things that helps you stay close to God is to have a need in life. And I don't mean a need that troubles you. But when people don't have needs, they don't see a need for a Savior. I mean, if we were as humans, completely self sufficient, we were able to meet every single need on our own, no one would reach out to have a further relationship with God. But I want you to know there are needs that are going to show up in your life that no amount of money can deliver you. That no amount of education can deliver you. No amount of networking with people can deliver you. You never want to serve anything unless it's big enough to deliver you. And God is the only one big enough to deliver you. Money's not big enough. Education's not great enough. I'm not saying those aren't important. Don't have their place. But nothing can take the place of God. Because you're going to have needs that only God can meet. And I make this statement that one thing that will keep you close to God is having a need. And God will lead you to create needs. Because like I said, a need does not mean lack. And God will lead you to where in the plan of God. You will need God's involvement to fulfill that plan. You will need God's provision to walk out that plan. You will need the wisdom of God to fulfill the what he's authored for you. So know this. God does not author a plan for your life that leaves him out of it. God authored a plan for your life that requires his involvement. And so we need to recognize that a need is not a negative. It keeps us reaching and pressing and learning God better so that we can. We can cooperate with him unhindered. Now, as I said, God will lead you to create a need. Why is that? Because he has a supply for every need. And he wants to bring us into a place of higher supply by leading us to a place where there is a need. As we were saying in the previous episodes that God led the Hebrews that He delivered out of Egypt. He led them to the Red Sea. Where did he lead them? He lead them to. He led them to a place where they needed a miracle. To need a miracle doesn't mean you miss God along the way. The plan of God calls for miracles. The plan of God is so great that it takes God's miracle power to fulfill the greatness of his plan. And so God led them to the Red Sea. He led them to a place of need. He led them to where he needed to show up for them. And why did he leave them there? Because he intended to that they partake of his miracle power. And certainly they did. And we're still talking about it today. Not only did he lead them to the Red Sea of a need, he led them to a place to where they needed manna. Where they needed water that flowed out of a rock. So just know this. A need is not a negative. If you'll use that need to help you to learn God better. And whenever I was talking about this earlier in a previous episode, but I want to go a little further with it. When my husband went home to be with the Lord, my children, they were grown, but my oldest son would have been 28. My youngest son was 19 at the time. And I needed their faith to be able to keep pace with the plan of God. My husband and I had moved together in the plan of God, and we had, you know, trained our children, our children work with us in the ministry. But because my husband was no longer there, my children, their faith was more critical to. To advancing than maybe they had recognized before. And my oldest son and his wife, they owned a home at the time, but God began dealing with them about. He said, I have another home for you. Well, they were really perfectly content in the home they were at. But the home they were at was not putting a demand on their faith. Their faith had come up and developed to a place to where it was something that they easily received a supply for it. And God was wanting to advance their faith for the purpose of where this ministry was going. So he needed their faith to be accelerated. They weren't just going to take the path that other people could take. He needed. He put them on the fast track of faith's development. So to do that, he had to put them in a place where they needed their faith to grow. They needed their faith to be strengthened. They needed faith to advance with God. So he told them, he said, I want you to put your house on the market. But he said, I want you to move out of the house. Don't wait till the house sells. You move out of the house. Why was he doing that? If they would have stayed in the house, it would have been easy to just kind of coast and not really press to advance. So they moved in with me for a short time. And in doing that, we. I was. I traveled a lot, so I wasn't there that much. But no one likes having to live with their parents when they choose to have a place of their own. So I understand that. But it kept them looking. It didn't. They didn't settle back and wait just for things to easily come to them. It kept them in a point of pressing with their faith. And so whenever they found the next home, it was. It was. The cost was over double of the previous home. What was it? God put a greater demand on their faith by creating a need in their life. And because of that, they began to see God work in miraculous ways that they didn't need him to work in the previous home they were in. What is this? The need that God led them to create. Now, that's the key. The need that God led them to create. They didn't just go out and randomly decide something. They were led. And in the leading, God led them to create a greater need because God was going to reveal himself to them in a greater way. But if they wouldn't have followed him in creating that need, they would have never seen the greater flow of his supply in their life. That's so important for us to understand. God's not doing what's best for our flesh and our mind. He's doing what's best for our faith. He's not doing. If I could let me restate that. He's not doing for us what's most comfortable for our mind and our flesh. He's doing what's best for our faith. And in that he will lead you to create a need that only his miracle power can meet. So in that I said to my. I said to God, I said, this home that my. The second home that my son and his wife were in the process of buying, I said, God, do you want me to raise their salary? That would help them with that home because they were on staff with the ministry. And listen to what God said. He said, if you raise their salary, you're going to hinder what I'm trying to develop in them because I'm leading them to this home because they need to learn that only faith can meet the need, not an increased salary. What's that mean? Sometimes people think they have a strong faith when they just really have a good salary. That's something people need to be aware of. There are some who they think, well, I have faith, but really they just have good income. My husband and I, we learned how to look at nothing and keep going. And that is so, so important. A lot of people will advance when it looks like they have all the resources. When they look like that, the money is already there. But every time God told my husband and I to build a church building, build a ministry building, we never had the money in our own resources to obey God, but we kept going. And it takes faith to move ahead. When you don't see the avenue, you don't see the apparent resources. Because if God says to do it, the supply is there. And many times it looks like you're walking blind. It looks like there's no supply in front of you, but you just keep going. Why? Because you know God supplies all the need. But you have to advance when it looks like there's nothing to advance with so that you can move into the supply. So when I said to my to God, I said, do you want me to raise the salary for my, for my son and his wife because of this home they're buying? He said, if you do, you're going to abort what I'm trying to bring them into with their faith. It would have stunted their growth of faith for me to step in and be their supply. They needed to receive their supply from God and not from their mama, not from just their paycheck. Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not talking about underpaying staff. I'm not talking about being cheap. I'm talking about as parents and especially as someone that's head of a ministry, I was more interested that my children's faith be where it ought to be so that we could move ahead at God's pace and be untroubled. If they don't have their faith developed, if they don't have faith projects in front of them, their faith will be stunted. They won't have the kind of development in their faith. They need to keep pace with the plan of God for this ministry. That's why God put my children on a faith faster pace of development for their faith. He put them on the fast track of faith development because of where God was endeavoring to take this ministry. Why am I saying this? Because I have to be aware. I don't get in the way of God developing something in them by trying to step in and be their Savior. God is their Savior. I'm not the Savior, but that's not there. Again, it's not a license to be cheap with staff, to be cheap with family, to use them and not pay appropriately. When I, for me personally, we endeavor to pay our staff well. And the more God blesses this ministry, the more we can be a blessing to those who help us. But I don't need anyone who's depending on me for their life. I need people who know how to depend on God. And this is so important because I've seen As pastoring for 25 years and in the ministry well over 40 years, I've seen when parents were the rescue and the supply for their children. I'm talking about, especially even in ministry that children need to learn. And when I say children, I don't mean young children. I'm talking about adult children that they need to learn how to believe God. It's no help to me if I've got to not just believe for me, the ministry, but I got to believe for them too. I need someone to carry their own faith weight. They need to be able to use their faith to help carry this ministry forward. And that's what God did with my children, is he put a demand on them that they had to learn who they were in Christ. They had to develop their faith and be untroubled by the process if they were going to keep pace with where God was taking this ministry. I can't have people around me in leadership positions who I have to prop up their faith. I need them to run with me in their faith. What's that mean? They have to have their own faith. So when they, my kids were going through that process of that next home, that was a much greater demand on their faith. God said, don't give them a pay raise. I have to be their supply. And they need to learn. They need to have the faith successes with God themselves. They need to have the kind of walk with God where they can say, I saw God do this for me. Now, when my husband went home to be with the Lord, my dad would call me every day for several months and he would say, honey, do you need money? Well, they knew, they did not know the extent that I needed money. I did not tell them the extent that I needed money because it didn't trouble me. But I didn't want to trouble them. And so I said, no, Daddy, I don't need any money. Why is that? I was not going to start the bad habit of leaning on someone else to be my savior. I was not going to take that very big event in my life and step back from faith. I was going to use that event of my husband going home to step up into faith, not step back and become a leaner. And two, I wanted my family and everyone I preached to to know no man rescued me. It was God. No man was my provider. God did it. I wanted a testimony of me and God. I didn't want a testimony that I leaned on someone else to bail me out because it was not about me feeling comfortable in my mind and flesh. I wanted my faith to come to a place to where I had an experience with God that took me even further in my spiritual development. Listen, if our faith isn't developing, our spiritual life is not developing. Now get that. If our faith isn't growing, our spiritual life isn't growing. If our faith isn't able to take on more, our spiritual life is not advancing as it should. And I was not going to Use the event of my husband's homegoing as an excuse to stop advancing. So my, my parents, I never once told them any need. And God, God got us. We finished every single project that my husband had started. We got completely out of debt. And today we are out of debt. That's because we wanted to learn God at the point of need. Know God better in the face of need. Don't back up from knowing God. Just trying to find your own avenue. Don't look for relief, go all the way to victory. Don't just try to get pressure off of you. Just keep being diligent, keep obeying God, hold to the word and see your faith move forward with God. So after though, after my children went through that process of the next home that they got hold of, God said, now. He said, now if you want to, you can raise their salary. He said, it's up to you. What was he saying? Don't. Don't step in at a wrong point. That's going to injure their faith. Now after they had passed that test, after they had seen their walk with God lay hold of miracles, then God said, now you can increase it if you want, but I want you to see this. Parents, it's not good for older kids. And I'm talking about even older teenagers, 20s, 30s. And you might have the resources I. But that's not a help to them to keep them in a place where they don't need their faith. Because somebody's got to, if I could say this, pull their weight. It might as well be them. It might as well. Them knowing how to walk with God for themselves. Because there's going to come a time when I can't step in and do something that only God can do. And if they don't know what God will do for them, they're going to stumble along the way somewhere. And I want them to know God for themselves. I'm not the savior. That's. Like I said, it's not an excuse to be cheap. But I will say this. Even with my employees, I don't just pay a flat rate for somebody like this position pays this and I'll pay to anybody. I'm led because I need. I know this. God is working different things in his people. And I don't want to get in the way of God working something for someone. Do you know there are times that God has had me to pay someone more than I would have thought to pay them in salary. But for some reason, God led me to pay them a certain amount or some would God would say, do this for them instead. There's different ways that God has had me to train the staff. Like I said, this is not an excuse to be cheap. It's not an excuse to use people, not pay them appropriately. But especially with my own family, especially with my own children, I am so interested in their faith walk. I'm so interested in their fellowship with God that I'm not going to get in the way and try to be to them what only God can be to them. I need them to know God so that we can keep pace with God's plan together. And it's not just me pulling the ministry, me pulling the family, me pulling the staff. I need everyone to know how to use their faith, develop their faith and keep growing in faith. Like I said, some people and even some Christians, they think, well, I've got really, I've got, I've got a lot of faith when they just really have a good salary. Because if that salary were. Salary were removed, then you're going to see what you really know. And there were times, listen, when we were pioneering, there were times that my husband and I, we had to forego taking a salary because we're just doing whatever we have to do to make sacrifices to get it up and going. But we knew how to just keep going with God because God was our provider. No paycheck was our provider, no salary is our provider, and no employer is our provider. And when you learn that, it takes you into such a place of fellowship with God and, and it takes you into a place to where you don't worry because you have, you have faced so many things walking with God that you have such confidence in Him. Amen. Well, you don't want to miss next time. And we're going to keep going this direction. And until next time, remember this. Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit Dufresne Ministries. In Nancy Dufresne's book, Faith in the Power of God, she teaches how God wants us to know his power that is in our direction. It belongs to us. He has made his power ours. Whether or not power flows depends on us, not God. God intends that every need we face be met with his power. We cannot live the life God authored for us without his power. Order this book now@DefrainMinistries.org come join us for our Jesus the Healer crusade in Paducah, Kentucky at World Harvest Church of Paducah with pastors Chris and Amber Cody. May 17th through the 21st, 2026. For more information and to register for in person attendance, scan the QR code on the screen or visit our website@dufresneministries.org. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us at defrainministries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, submit a prayer request or visit our online store. Thank you to the friends and partners of Dufresne Ministries for making this production possible.
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It's so easy to have your life changed today and that is that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. So right now pray it with me. Say Jesus, I receive you as the Lord and the Savior of my life. Thank you for giving me a brand new start and I'll live for you all the days of my life. Amen.
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