← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Nancy Dufresne
Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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Nancy Dufresne
I receive it right now from the
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top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet.
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Nancy Dufresne
The soles of my feet.
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Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the healer. And in the last several episodes, we've been on something that I think is important for us to realize that as someone that's in Christ, we have full provision, we have full supply for whatever the plan of God holds in our life. You know, God authored a plan for every single one of his children. Then he filled us with Himself because He intends to work that plan through us. So he is the. He is the source of all the miracles, the provision that. That we're going to need to carry out his plan. And know this. The plan of God always looks bigger than you. It always. It always looks bigger than what you can carry out, because God authored the plan for your life based on his ability to work through you, not based on your own natural resources. So know this. To walk out the plan of God for your life, it requires for you to draw on who you are in Christ, because who you are in yourself can never accomplish the plan of God to its fullest. We have to learn to draw on who Christ is in us if we're going to fulfill the greatness of God's plan for our life. We've been looking at, in the recent episodes at a couple of scriptures that we have to touch on so we can go further again today. That's in Hebrews 4. 3, the Amplified classic translation. And the last phrase of that verse says this. God's works have been completed and prepared and waiting for for all who would believe from the foundation of the world. So what's this mean? Long before your need ever showed up, God already completed a supply for it. He already completed and prepared all the resources you're going to need to fulfill the plan of God. And you say, well, how come it looks. It doesn't look like I had those Resources. How come it doesn't look like I had that supply? Well, that supply and all that he has completed and prepared, it's waiting for our faith to show up because it's waiting for all those who would believe. So although he has fully funded, fully supplied, fully completed, everything you need to walk out the plan of God, it still calls for our faith to receive that supply. Now Philippians 4:11. Paul was writing to people who had given to him and he said that to the givers there belongs something. My God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. The wonderful thing about this verse is it is these three words, God, supply, need. Know this, that this verse is to turn us supply minded. Most people are living their life completely need minded. They're so aware of their needs, they focus on their needs, they worry about their needs, they talk about their needs. But to us who are moving with the plan of God, we're generous to the nature that's on the inside of us. Because God's nature is in us and his is a giving nature. And when we're generous with our giving, know this, that there's always something else to draw on. And it's called the supply that is that belongs to us. No matter what the need is. We're not to be need minded, we're to be supply minded. When we are supply minded, then we stop stepping back at where God is endeavoring to lead us. We don't look at our own resources and decide whether or not we can advance. We look at the supply that belongs to the plan of God for our life. And we advance because we know that every plan of God is fully supplied by God. And so we can. There's no room for worry, there's no room for fear. Because we have to become aware, more aware of of the supply than we are of the need. Now you have to know this. God will lead you to create a need. And as I've been saying in these recent episodes, need does not mean lack. When we have a need, that doesn't mean we're in lack because we'll never be in lack as children of God. Why not? Because we have a provider. God is our provider. We will never lack provider. Therefore every need has a supply. Now God will lead us to create a need so that we'll use our faith for the supply. If we don't have a need, people are most likely not going to use their faith for the supply of it. God led his people to the Red Sea. He led them to a place where they needed a miracle. Why? Is it because he had already prepared the supply of a miracle for them? But they would never have walked across that Red Sea. That Red Sea would have never parted. That land would have never dried up. They walked across on dry land. They didn't even get their feet muddy. Why? Because the abundance of God's provision was so great that it didn't even leave dirt on their shoes. And I want you to know that the provision of God, the supply of God for your life, is so great that every need has already been met in that supply. But it's with our faith that we have to have enough faith to follow God into creating a need. Now, notice what I said. God will lead you to create a need. Don't just go out and randomly start creating needs, but the Spirit of God will lead you to create a need because he has a supply for you. And I want you to know that supply is abundant. For example, Jesus, he had a need in front of him. He decided, I want to feed the multitude. So there had been a multitude that had been with him for several days. And he told his disciples, give them something to eat. They didn't have the resources enough for that multitude that were there. And so they brought to him the lunch of a little boy. Five loaves and two fish. Notice what that is. That is a seed. But it's certainly not enough for the need. Not in its present form. But notice this, it didn't stop Jesus from using his faith and supplying what that multitude needed that day. He was led to the place where he created a need and what he held was not enough. The five loaves and two fish is not enough. It's enough for a seed. And so anyway, so he applied his faith and he looked up to heaven. He. He blessed God with it. He blessed what he held and then he distributed what he had. And in the distribution, that which was not enough became more than enough. Why? He knew no matter what my need is, there's a supply for it. And he always put a demand on the supply by creating a need. And so needs are not a negative. They will help you to live close to God. When you have a need, brother, you cannot back up, away from your walk with God and have that need met. I want you to know your need will help you to know God better if you stay in faith, if you stay on the word. I was talking about how my children, when my husband went home to be with the Lord, God led my. He put my sons on the fast track of faith. He needed their faith. To accelerate. He needed them to advance quickly so that they could keep pace with me, keep pace with the plan of God for this ministry. And so what he did, especially with my oldest son and his wife, he told them the house, that they. They owned a home, but God said, there's another home. And they really, of their own, would not have pursued another home because they were comfortable in their. In the home they were at. Their faith could easily handle that home. So they weren't really reaching for more. But God needed their faith to accelerate. He needed their faith to be ready for something bigger. So he told them, there's another home for you. And the home was more than double in price what their previous home was. And so whenever they were pursuing that, it took a miracle of God for them to get into that home. I mean, I saw them walk that out by faith. And it was. Every day there was opposition, every day there was pressure that came against them, and they just kept going. They had to learn what it meant to face nothing and keep going, keep advancing. And so anyway, I said to God while they were in that process, do you want me to raise their salary? Because I wanted to. If God wanted me to help them financially, I wanted to be available. And God said, if you step in and you help them, you will abort what I'm trying to teach them in their walk of faith. And so God needed them to have faith, and he didn't need me to step in and shield them from having to know God better. And so they passed the test. They passed the test. I want to read to you something. Dr. A.B. simpson. He was a preacher in the 1800s. I like what he says here. He said, God has his best for the few who dare to stand the test. Look at that. God has his best for the few who dare to stand the test. I saw my kids dare to stand the test. They put themselves in a. In a place when they obeyed God, that there was pressure on their mind, there was pressure on their flesh, but they just kept growing. They just kept following God and obeying God and not quitting. And when they got to the other side of that thing, they were. They had a knowledge of God. They had. Their faith had come to a place where they hadn't been to before. And I want you to know God is not always going to do what's most comfortable for your mind and flesh. He's going to lead you in a way that's best for your faith. So I want you to see something. Sometimes people really think that they have a strong faith. When they just really have a good salary. If that salary were removed, how do you respond to that? If your company decided to shut down the department you worked in and you were without a job, how would you respond to that? Would you worry? Would you get into fear? Would you become upset with your employer? Well, if you have faith, if you know God, you just know this. I have a supply. Evidently there's a better job. Evidently there's a higher paying job. Just know this, God always has a supply. Where do you turn first when a need shows up that's going to show you where your faith is? I've taught our, I've taught my kids. Don't you run and try to get people to give you a greater salary just because your need improved or increased. You know, too many times people will go put pressure on their employer when they have a need. I'm not saying you shouldn't have a raise. I'm not saying, saying that it's bad to have a salary increase. What I am saying it's wrong to put pressure on people. Learn to turn and put the pressure on the word because God will always meet your faith. I needed my children to have faith. I needed them to have their own faith. I didn't need them to have a faith that was leaning on me. Because where God's taking us, we have to make sure that people around me have faith. And as I said, sometimes there's a lot of people who think they really have faith when they have just really grown into a larger income and don't think that a large income equals faith. There are some that have really misunderstood that. And I was thinking of, there was someone that I know of and they were looking at buying a home, and the husband wanted this home. And the wife said, honey, Sid, we don't have enough faith to deal with this home. They knew it was beyond their measure of faith. Now, that doesn't mean you can't ever have it. It means keep growing your faith, keep developing your faith. And so she said to her husband, she said, honey, this home is beyond our faith right now. And he said, well, I have a big enough salary to cover it. She, she said, honey, you might have, but it's beyond our faith right now. Well, he determined he wanted that home, so they got that home. The only thing is, two weeks after they bought the home, he lost his job and now he didn't have a salary in place. He was going by salary and his wife was going by their measure of faith. And so there was such a struggle. And it ended up really in a hurtful situation for them. When? Why? Because the husband confused a big salary with big faith. And there has to be a walk with God. Because faith comes from tests. It comes from learning to put that. Put the word to work for you in the face of a test. Putting the word to work for you in the face of a need so that you can experience the goodness of God by not quitting, not giving up. And it's important for us to really. That's why God will lead us to create a need in us. Follow him to where is he leading us? Because he wants us to have an acquaintance with how great his supply is for our life. Just know this. Anywhere God directs you, he's always. He's not just directing you to a need. He's directing you to a supply for that need. It looks like he's telling you, oh, just create need. Create need. No, he's leading you to create a need so that you can experience the supply that belongs to that need. Amen. And especially this. Parents, I have to warn you, don't just step in. And I'm talking about primarily your older children. You know, children that are teenagers or they're in their 20s. Don't step in and be their rescue all the time at the injury of their faith. You can, it's, it's, it's not safe to teach your children to turn to you and lean on you. You have to teach them what it means to have faith in God because He's always there and they can always receive the supply they need from God. My husband was somebody who taught me and my children how to come up to nothing and keep going. I mean, Jesus, he ran up to. He ran up to things that looked like the supply wasn't there. Talk about the time that he came up to the fig tree. He intended to eat off that fig tree. And when he got to the tree, there was no fruit on it. He came up to nothing. And what did he do? He dealt with that tree. He did not let that tree tell him that he wasn't going to have a supply. And he dealt with that tree. And what did he do? He answered the need. I want you to know when you walk up to something and it looks like the supply isn't there, you answer that, because need will tell you you're not going to have the supply for this. And you answer that need and you say, you always have a supply because God is my provider and there is a supply for every single need. We move ahead based on the plan of God. We don't move ahead based on the amount of money in our account. Every time God would direct my husband and I to build a. Build a church building, build a ministry building, we never in our own resources had the money to do what he said because we recognize this, God is the provider. It doesn't matter what our resources say. Our resources will meet the supply of God. And so we learned how that when God said to do something, we just did it because God said it and not because the resources gave us permission. As we made moves toward obeying God, then the resources would meet our movement of faith. But many times people will sit back and they'll wait for resources to show up before they advance. Well, you're likely not ever going to advance. You have to advance because supply meets movement. Supply doesn't meet someone who's making no movement. And so in Christ, what belongs to you is supply. You will never in Christ lack for supply. Now we do have to bring our faith to receive the supply that belongs to us in Christ. So we see this. Jesus did not follow money. He followed the plan of God. He said, my meat or the thing that nourishes me is to do the will of him that sent me. In other words, I'm fulfilling the plan. And everything I need to fulfill that plan is there in that plan. Well, I want you to know if you in the plan is your supply. In the plan is all the help you need. In the plan is the resources. Stay with the plan of God. Stay with what he's told you to do. And if you'll just keep advancing and not take your counsel from money. Don't take your counsel from resources. Can I tell you what money is? It's a tool. That's all it is. It's not a guide. It's not a Lord. It's not. And it's not a savior. And I want you to know that, as I said, money is nothing but a tool. Here, I have a pencil right here. You know what this is? This pencil is nothing but a tool. That it helps me to record, it helps me to write something, but it doesn't tell me what I write. It doesn't tell me whether I can write something or whether I can't write something. Something. It's nothing but a tool. I don't say to the pencil, pencil, can I write this today? I don't ask the tool for permission to do what I want it to do. Even so, money is nothing but a tool. Don't ask money if you can obey God. Money doesn't carry the mind of God. Money doesn't carry the wisdom of God. Don't ask it for permission to obey God. You have a supply, it's in Christ you will never do without a supply. You don't look to resources to give you permission. Look to the leading of God. Look to the plan of God, because the plan is already fully funded. I want you to know that when you come up to a need, this is a faith issue, it's not a money issue, it's a faith issue. And so we have to have faith and that he has already fully supplied. Now, when God supplies your need, I have what I call. I have an understanding, what I call divine compensation, that when I obey God, he will not only make sure I'm provided for, he will bless me in ways I never knew were available to me. For example, when I was. I often tell the story that when I grew up in our denominational church, my mother made sure we were in church every time, you know, it was that they were having services. And when I was about in fifth grade, my mother started me off in piano lessons. And when I was in eighth grade, I'd been playing for three years. And when I was in eighth grade, the choir director at our church came up to mother and said, Carolyn said, our organist is moving out of town and we need someone to play the organ. Do you think that Nancy would. Would you ask her if she would agree to be the organist for the church? And Mother said she would love to be the organist for the church. So she came home from church that day and she said, you're the new church organist. I go, really? I said, okay. And I said, now Mother, you know I don't play the organ. She says, you play the piano. I said, mother, these are two different instruments. Yes, they both have keyboards, but they're played differently. Well, so not only did I take piano lessons and I played the piano for all the school choirs, now I got to take organ lessons and I had to take. And I had to take the organ lessons so that I could now play for the church. Well, the choir director said to my mother, said, now, Carolyn, in the budget of the church, we have allocated an amount for a salary for the organist. So we would like to give Nancy that salary. Mother said, oh, no, you're not going to give her salary. Said she's going to learn that she can do something for her church without expecting to be compensated for it. Well, is it wrong to be paid by church? No, but Mother was teaching that you don't do what's right because you're paid. You do what's right because it's right. And so Mother taught us that don't attach your obedience to money. Don't attach your obedience to compensation. You do what is right because it's right. So for the. When I was in eighth grade, ninth grade, tenth grade, I didn't receive any salary from the church. And you know what? I never brought it up and I never thought about it because I wasn't going to think about it if Mother wouldn't let me think about it. Mother was the one who made that call. I didn't make that call. Mother was training her children. And sometimes you have to know this parents, you have to train them in what a right decision looks like. You can't stand back and say, well, they need to make their own decisions. Yes, they do. After they've been taught what good decisions look like. If you haven't taught them what good decisions look like, they don't even know how to make good decisions. You don't stop back and not. And let them make decisions that are just pleasing to their flesh. You teach them to make decisions that are right for their life. So that's what my mother. My mother let you make a decision for yourself as long as it was a right one. And then if it was a wrong one, she stepped in and she helped you with your stupidity. And so Mother was always rescuing us from our stupidity. And so Mother, here I was, 8th grade, 9th grade, 10th grade, not a penny for playing for the church. Not a problem. I didn't expect it. Mother didn't get permission for it. So when I was in 11th grade, the choir director came to my mother and said, carolyn, Nancy's in her fourth year applying for the church. And we've never paid her a dime. We would like to pay her money because, you know, she has a car now. And she comes. I was. I was at every service. I was at every rehearsal. I had a key to the church from the time I was in eighth grade. I don't know too many that had a key, but I had a key because I was living at the church. If I was not at school, I was at the church. And so Mother said to the choir director, okay, you can pay her a salary now. You can pay her $5 a month. So I got $5 a month. I was really quite thrilled with that because at least it bought me nail polish. That's what I was interested in was nail polish. And so then I had that $5 a month raise. And then when I was a senior in high school again. My choir director came to mother and said, now, Carolyn, Nancy's going off to college next year and we really feel like we'd like to help her. And mother said, okay, you can help her. You can give her $20 a month. So. So I got a multiplied raise there. But what did that do that helped me to not attach my motive to obedience? You have to learn this motive is everything with God. And so here I had spent five years of getting very minimal income from playing for the church. And listen, I'd have done it if. No, if they would have never paid me. And mother knows I'd have done it if they never paid me because she'd have made sure I'd done it. But I want you to see this. When it came time for me to go to college, I received one of the largest scholarships that helped me through my college career. And it would have I received enough to go on to a master's or doctorate degree. But I didn't go that far. But I'm just saying there was scholarship in place for that. What is that? That's what I call divine compensation. That if you will do what you ought to do, be where you ought to be and be there with the right heart, be there with the right motive, then it will keep the door open for God to bless you in ways that man never could. Bless you. I received so much scholarship that if I would have taken a full salary for. From that church for the five years I played, I would have never made enough money through that salary that I made just by the scholarship. What was it? God doesn't settle up every Friday, but when God compensates, it's like no man could ever compensate you. What was it? God didn't intervene so much in those five years. But when it came to the point of the need of my life, when the next step, season of my life had a great need, the supply was there. Divine compensation is something you need to use your faith for. When you obey God. Just know this. You don't obey God because they pay you the right amount. They don't know. You don't obey God because you get the proper recognition. You obey God because it's part of the plan of God for your life. And if you will obey God no matter what situation situation you're in, know this. Divine compensation will make up the difference. Use your faith for divine compensation. Do you know that I pastored for the. For 25 years I pastored and for the first four years I never received a dime. Why I wasn't obeying God because I was being paid fully. I wasn't obeying God because the salary was right. I was obeying God because it was the plan of God and I loved God's plan. And look at the blessing of God now because divine compensation will bring you into what your own. If I could say this, what man could reward you with will never make up make up for it. Amen. Well, I want you to know your faith in God is what you need. And you need whatever helps you. And having a need will help you stretch your faith for the supply of God for that need. Amen. Well, the supply of God belongs to us in Christ. Well, you don't want to miss next time. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the Healer. God bless you.
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Nancy Dufresne
To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit dufresneministries.org come join us for our Jesus the Healer crusade in Paducah, Kentucky at World Harvest Church of Paducah with Pastors Chris and Amber Cody, May 17th through the 21st, 2026. For more information and to register for in person attendance, scan the QR code on the screen or visit our website@DefrainMinistries.org. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us@DefrainMinistries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimonies, submit a prayer request, or visit our online store. Thank you to the friends and partners of Dufresne Ministries for making this production possible. We invite you to join us for our annual camp meeting here at World Harvest church in Marietta, California, June 8 through the 12th, 2026. For more information, visit and to register for in person attendance, please visit our website@DefrainMinistries.org
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I am so excited to share with you about our new worship album called Jesus the Healer Worship Volume 1. It is now available. On this I'm joined by my good friend Reba Rambeau, her daughter Destiny, and my son Grant Dufresne, along with others. These song these songs are important for the era that we're in. They're going to be a blessing to use in your local church as well as your own time of private devotional worship. Remember that you can get it today by going to defrainministries.org, you can go to Spotify, Apple Music and other platforms. For more information or for more ways to listen, scan the QR code on your screen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Shop Nancy Dufresne's books and other products as well as Jesus the Healer merchandise on our website@jesusthehealer.org or call us at 951-696-9258 to place your order today. Nancy Dufresne is the President of World Harvest Bible Training center in Murrieta, California. This is a Word and Spirit Bible school where you will receive impartations and revelations. So whether you're called to the five fold ministry or want to bring a greater supply to your local church, this could be the school for you. We're now accepting applications. Go to whbtc.org for more information.