← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Nancy Dufresne
Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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Narrator/Announcer
There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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Nancy Dufresne
I receive it right now.
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Narrator/Announcer
From the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad you're joining us today for Jesus the healer. Thank you for taking the time. And I know this, that the Word will always fulfill, feed our spirits, and it will give us a robust appetite for the Word and a robust feeding of the Word. And so we're just grateful for your hunger for the Word so that we can spend this time together and we prize and value what God says to us. Amen. So again, thank you for joining us. We're going to continue along the lines of in Christ, I can. And it's so difficult really to ever come to the end of this because everything is tied up and wrapped up in who we are in Christ. And so we're so grateful that God is helping us to come into the understanding in the light of it. And know this. One of the things that the devil wants most is to keep the church, to keep this truth darkened. He doesn't want this truth to come to light. Because when people find out who they are in Christ, the devil is done working his way, working his schemes in a way that succeeds against them. All of his schemes are failing to the man who knows who he is in Christ. And so we're just. We're grateful to be able to take this subject and study it together. Galatians, chapter 2 and verse 20. Paul is writing and he said this. I am crucified with Christ. Look at that. I'm not trying to be. I'm not going to be. He says, I am crucified with Christ. So know this. Jesus took that old sin nature to the cross and nailed it there. We were crucified with him, we were buried with him and we were raised with him. But the old, it's not the old man that was raised. It was the new man that was raised, a new creature in Christ, Jesus Christ. And so Paul says again in Galatians 2:20, I am crucified with Christ. Do you know, people will try to mentally evaluate this and try to mentally understand it. And this is too. It's so my, my, my. It exceeds what the, what the human mentality can grasp. This is something we accept and believe with our heart. And so even though the mind doesn't quite know how to wrap itself around this, truth is still true. And so we just. We just agree with God. I am crucified with Christ. And all that means. Well, what does that mean? It means that sin shall no longer have dominion over you. I want to read to you. We're going to come back to this Galatians passage, but I want to read to you something in keeping with this that's found in Romans chapter 6 and verse 6, Romans 6, chapter 6 and verse 6. This is the King James translation. And it says, knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, with Christ, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin, for he that is dead is freed from sin. Now, if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him. Now know this, what Paul is stating here. He says, just as a person who's in the earth and then they die, sin cannot boss them around anymore because they have died to what sin tried to work through. Well, he's saying you don't have to wait till you die. You died with Christ. So you don't have to wait till the end of your life on this earth to be free from the power of sin. But the moment you accept Christ, that the power of sin to dominate you is done, it's done. So, but I want you to see, look at verse six, the first two words of verse six of Romans chapter six. Knowing this, when people don't know this, then the devil is able to hold sway over them through ignorance. Now this is why it's so important that we know this. We know that our old man is crucified with Christ. What's the old man? The man you were before you were born. Before you were born again, you had that sin nature that, that you were born with, not because you were bad, but because of Adam's sin, because of what Adam did. Every man after him was born with a sin nature. So what's that mean? We need a new nature. And what is that? That's what at, at Calvary, Jesus paid the price to have a new nature. And so it's not about. This is why someone who is not born again. They may struggle to overcome certain things, but their struggle is this. They're struggling against not just sin, they're struggling against the wrong nature. They have a sin nature. It's not just trying to control sin actions, but those sin actions come out of a sin nature. So Jesus didn't just come and give us better behavior, he gave us a new nature. Amen. So that's the difference here. So knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him or with Christ, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. So notice, henceforth, meaning going forward from here, we should not serve sin. So when the opportunity to sin comes, you say, I have authority over you. You no longer dominate me. You dominated the old man. But that old man's crucified and buried with Christ. This is the new man, and you have no dominion over this new man. So verse 7 of Romans 6, he goes on and says, for he that is dead is freed from sin. Now, if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him, knowing that Christ, being raised from the dead, dieth no more death, has no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once. But in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Look at verse 11. Likewise, reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin. So he's saying, you have to know this and consider this. You are dead. You have to remember that when the opportunity to sin comes, you can say this. I'm not your slave anymore. Why does it have no more dominion? You don't have a sin nature anymore. You have the nature of God, the life of God. So you are to reckon yourself to be dead unto sin. So if old habits, old addictions try to come back up and try to find a place in you, talk to them, say, I'm dead to you. I'm in dominion over you. Satan cannot force you into a lifestyle of sin. Amen. What are we to do when the urge to do something wrong, this pressing, that the enemy would like to put on your soul? You answer it. You say, I'm dead to that that cannot push me around anymore. It says, you have to reckon yourselves also to be dead unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body. Listen, you don't have let it. The devil may try to imply to you that you don't have a choice. Oh, yes, you do. I will not let that go on in my life. You say, well, I don't know how to do that. If you've ever raised children, you do. Because whenever children try to do something wrong, you say, I'm not letting you do that in this house. I'm not going to let you talk to me that way. You do that with your body. That when the temptation to sin comes and pushes on your body, you say, I'm not going to let it do that. Body. You will not do that. Can I tell you something? Learn to talk to your body. Learn to talk to the temptation to sin. Learn to talk to it. There have been times not only do you talk to your body, but I have talked to my mind. And I'd say, mind, you stop right now. Mind you be at peace. I talk to it. Why? Because my spirit is to be in dominion over my mind, which involves my soul and over my body. So reckon yourselves to be dead unto sin. Talk to that. Talk to that body and say, you belong to God. You're not going to do this anymore. Amen. And you have to do it more than once. Every time the temptation comes, you keep talking to it, saying, no, you don't. I have dominion over you. No, you don't. It's not about you getting free. It's about you enforcing your freedom. Now, that's so critical because so many people think that their thinking is wrong. They think, I've got to get free from this. I've got to get past this. No, Jesus put you past it when he put a new nature in you. So what you've got to do is enforce your freedom, not get it. So you are free. You're just to enforce that. And I don't care if you didn't know that you were free for 10 years and you were still yielding to temptation as a believer today, you can say, wait a minute, I've been free all along. I can be free all along. I've been free all along. And I today find that out. And from now on, I'm not trying to get rid of that addiction, trying to get rid of that bad habit, trying to get rid of that bondage. I enforce my freedom over that I am free from it. You talk to sickness the same way you talk to lack the same way. Amen. Now, verse 12 says this. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of righteousness unto sin, but yield yourselves unto God as those who are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God, for sin shall not have dominion over you. For you are not under the law, but under grace. So all of this passage that we just read in Romans, chapter six begins with those two important words in verse six. Knowing this, you have to know that I am free from the power of sin. I am free from the power of addictions and bad habits and all of that which tries to trouble your life and take it off course. You have to know that you are free. You are not trying to get free. You are free. And you're there to enforce that freedom. Amen. Well, how can you do that? Because Galatians 2, verse 20 says, I am crucified with Christ. Look at that. I am crucified with him. I'm not going to. When I get to heaven, I'm not going to be any more crucified with Christ there than I am here. That's right. On earth, I am already crucified with Christ. And then it goes on in Galatians 2:20. Nevertheless, I live. Isn't that something that you didn't have to die and leave this earth to have this dominion, to have this victory, that you were crucified with Christ so you can spend the rest of your life in dominion. So he says, I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live. Yet not I, but Christ liveth in me. And the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Listen. Know this. Jesus didn't just die for us. He died as us. He took our place. Amen. So the cross wasn't just a place of suffering and shame, because that's the way some see it. But there's a deeper meaning to it. It wasn't a place where something ended. It was a place where the new began. And that was your new beginning. Amen. And so our old man was crucified with Christ, buried with him. And then when Jesus was raised from the dead, we were raised with him as a new creature. Now you can live in the. At the level of the old man if you want to. But don't want to. Don't want to. What's the old man? What's it look like? When someone is living at the level of the old man, they're remembering their past. They're living under guilt, shame, condemnation, memories of the past. All of that God did not try to fix by going back and redoing it. You know what he did? He crucified it. Crucified it. That's what your past was worthy of, crucifying it. Burying it done. He didn't try to go back and fix it through you rehearsing it, repeating it, telling it to someone, fixing it through the mind of man, fixing it by some psychology route. Because the difficulty with trying to fix your life through the mental arena, through the form of psychology is this, is that you're holding yourself in view, trying to fix you. You can't fix you looking at you. You don't fix you looking at you. You have to look at a higher place. What is that? In Christ. So we don't have to live anymore at the level of the old man. We. We're living on the level of the new creature in Christ, a new species of being that never existed before. So know this. You choose the level you live on. And this is why Paul said, put on the new man, the old man has been crucified. But put on the new man. What's that mean? Put on a new way of thinking. Lay aside that old. Lay aside rehearsing the old things of the past. It doesn't even matter. And you say, Pastor Nancy, the sin that has troubled me, my past that has troubled me, has happened to me since I've been born again. Maybe you made bad decisions, entered into wrong marriages, made bad financial decisions, all kinds of things that could have gone wrong. Well, don't you think that if the blood of Jesus can purge someone who isn't a child of God and bring them into the family God, how much. How much more the blood of Christ belongs to God's own children, that you don't have to live with that just because you've missed it since you're in Christ? Because let me tell you why people miss it. They don't really see who they are. And so once we come into seeing who we really are in Christ, we quit dealing with the things that we used to struggle with. Amen. So we just have to know that when our old past, the way God dealt with it was. He didn't go back and try to fix it. He crucified it, buried it and left it there. Left it there. Can I tell you this? The devil thought that when Jesus was crucified, that Jesus was buried. He wasn't buried. He was planted. And it took him that three days for that plant to come up. Why something? That's how fast a seed grows. Jesus, the seed of God. I mean, the Word calls him the seed. The devil thought he was burying him to rid himself of him forever. And he ended up in that burial, planting him. And what came up. He came up in three days and brought many sons unto glory. A whole crop of God people, a whole crop is on the body of Christ. Amen. And so that's what belongs to us. He was heaven's greatest seed to bring many sons to glory. So don't act like you don't belong to glory. Don't act like you don't belong to God. Don't think like that. Don't talk like that. Being held, bound by your past and let your past cheat you of who you really are now in Christ. And know this, it's not a struggle to try to be in Christ. You're in him right now. If you're born again, you're in him now. What elevates life is when we start thinking in terms of that, when we start living our daily life along that level, that we are in Christ. So don't ever go back into your past by mentally talking it out, counseling it out. All of that's going to cheat you, because all of that's going to hold you at the level of the old man. But we're. We're new creatures in Christ Jesus. And what does the Word say about the old man? That not only is it crucified and buried, it has passed away. Old things are passed away. Behold, all things are become new. Why are you going to talk about and put your attention on something that's passed away? It'll only trouble you if you do that. So we're not doing that. Amen. We are not doing that. I love something that In Ephesians chapter 3 and verse 8, this is the King James translation. Paul said this. He said unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given? And you say, paul, what grace is given unto you that you're referring to? And this is what it is that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ. Know this, that the Jews had a covenant with God, but Gentiles didn't. And God not only welcomed his own people into a covenant, but every Gentile now has a covenant with God. And this was what Paul said. There is a grace upon me to announce to those who are not part of a covenant with God, that they can be part of a covenant with God, that the unsearchable riches of Christ belong to them, just as it belongs to the Jews. And so anyway, we have been brought in. And I want to read that passage there in Ephesians 3. 8. Let me read it out of the living Bible Translation. It says this. It says, just think, though I did nothing to deserve it. And though I am the most useless Christian there is, yet I was the one chosen for the special joy of telling the Gentiles the good news of the endless treasures available to them in Christ. Now, see, Paul said, that's my summon on this earth. I'm announcing to people all that belongs to them because they're in Christ. And this is why we've been on this well over a year, because we are. It is our great joy to announce to you all that belongs to you in Christ. Why? So that you quit letting the devil rob you by going back to your past, talking about your past, thinking about your past and trying to deal with it psychologically. That's for people who don't understand. There's a spirit that you are a spirit being that you have a spirit. We deal with these things on the spirit level. God dealt with your sin in the spirit realm. Amen. And you can't deal with it just in the mental arena. Now, the Amplified Classic translation says this to me. Though I am the very least of all the saints, God's consecrated people, this grace favor, privilege was granted and graciously entrusted to proclaim to the Gentiles the unending, bottomless, fathomless, incalculable and exhaustless riches of Christ wealth which no human being could have searched out. Look at all the adjectives Paul is saying. I am grasping for words to describe all that belongs to us of this great wealth that is ours. Because we're in Christ. Why don't we dive into the wealth instead of diving into the past? Amen. That's where. That's what the devil wants you to do. He wants to rob you of how rich you are in Christ by trying to make you mindful of your past. Let it go out of your speech. Let it go out of your thought life. And you say, pastor Nancy, you don't know how people have treated me. What? Well, I know this. I know how Jesus has treated you. And it's far better than how anybody else. And it's worthy of canceling out how others may have treated you. Amen. Now let's look at that. The Ephesians translation in Ephesians 3, verse 8, the amplified classic translation, rather. Look at all these words he said that Paul was saying to proclaim to the Gentiles the unending. What's that mean? You're never going to reach the end of this thing. You're never going to. You're not. You're never going to reach the finish line of all that has Been made ours in Christ. We never see the end of it. It's a horizon that stretches out in front of us all through eternity. We'll never see the end of that. And then the word boundless, he says that he's to proclaim to the Gentiles the unending, the boundless. Look at this. Unlimited. This is what balance means. Unlimited, unconfined. Oh, you can't confine this. It'll break past every limit you try to put on it. The immeasurable, illimitable. Then look at this. Having no boundaries, infinite or vast. So anytime life tries to hem you in and say, you can't go any further, too late. I'm already busted over the boundaries in Christ. In Christ, you cannot put limits on that man. The man who's in Christ cannot be stopped. He cannot be held back. And the devil will try to throw hindrances in your way to make you think you go no further. We'll just keep going past those, just bust through those boundaries because we have a boundless wealth of riches in Christ. And then, then the amplified classic, it says to proclaim to the Gentiles the unending, the boundless. Look at this one. Fathomless. The definition for that means that of which no bottom can be found. It's bottomless. When it's fathomless, it says that cannot be embraced or encompassed with the arms. What this means, it goes beyond anything that anyone can come into contact with, not to be penetrated or comprehended. Impossible to measure the depth of, because it's bottomless, impossible to even understand. What's that mean, the mental arena? This is. This is far beyond what the mind of man can fathom, what it can calculate, what it can understand. So since we can't figure it out mentally, just accept it in your. In your spirit. Just agree with it in your spirit. Say, this all belongs to me in Christ, and I don't have to be able to wrap my head around it before I go there. And then Paul said, talking about this riches, this wealth in Christ, he said that it's incalculable. Well, that the definition of that means it cannot be calculated. It's beyond calculation. It's so numerous or great, unable to be calculated, incapable of being forecast or predicted. And I like this. Undeterminable. You know, the devil tries to determine your outcome or circumstances. Try to say, this is going to be the outcome. No, you get to. You get to blow past that. Because of the riches in Christ, you cannot fence him in. Amen. And then this next word that he says in the Amplified classic Describe describing the riches exhaustless. It says not to be exhausted. That means this. No matter how much you spend, there's always more to spend. No matter how much you take, there's always more to take. No matter how much you enjoy, there's always more to enjoy. Meaning God's never offended at the more you take because the more you take, the more you see there is. Amen. It's not to be exhausted, not to be wholly drawn off or emptied. You can't empty out the wealth, the treasure box of Christ. There is no bottom. There is no emptying this out. It has an exhaustless fund or store. What is this? You talk about a bank. You talk about a bank on earth, we got bank in heaven, we have a heavenly bank. And there's never a day you can say, oh, overdrawn. No such thing as overdrawn. You can just keep making withdrawals and withdrawals and withdrawals because these are the riches that belong to us, because we belong to Him. It's unearned. It is just by God's goodness. Amen. And it's just available to those who say, you know what? I like that. I'll take that, I'll believe it, I'll accept it, and I just choose to live that way. Amen. Well, we're going to keep going this direction. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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Nancy Dufresne
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Love is to lead and govern us, and we are to make it our quest to pursue the way love leads. Victories await us as we learn to walk in the truths of divine love found in this book by Nancy Dufresne. The Great Quest now@DefrainMinistries.org
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Nancy Dufresne
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The Free
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Nancy Dufresne
on this cd, Confessions of Healing, Nancy Dufresne begins by briefly teaching on how to speak God's Word to release the faith that's in your heart. Then she begins to lead in confessions for healing from the Scriptures, allowing time for the listener to repeat them after her. If you or someone you know is in need of healing, this CD will be a blessing to you. Order today at dufresneministries.org we trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us at defrainministries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, submit a prayer request, or visit our online store. Thank you to the friends and partners of dufresne Ministries for making this production possible.
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I am so excited to share with you about our new worship album called Jesus the Healer Worship Volume 1. It is now available. On this I'm joined by my good friend Reba Rambeau, her daughter Destiny, and my son Grant DeFresne, along with others. These songs are important for the era that we're in. They're going to be a blessing to use in your local church as well as your own time of private devotional worship. Remember that you can get it today by going to defrainministries.org you can go to Spotify, Apple Music and other platforms. For more information or for more ways to listen, scan the QR code on your screen.
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Nancy Dufresne
We invite you to join us at World Harvest church, home of Dufresne Ministries in Marietta, California. Located at 23109 Palomar Street, Marietta, California, this is a Word and Spirit church. Join us in person or online Sunday mornings at 10am and Tuesday nights at 7pm Pacific Time. For more information, go to defrainministries.org shop Nancy Dufresne's books and other products as well as Jesus the Healer merchandise on our website@jesusthehealer.org or call us at 951-696-9258 to place your order today.