Podcast Summary: Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
Episode 112 | The Deaf & Dumb Man, Part 2
Date: December 6, 2022

Main Theme & Purpose

In this episode, Nancy Dufresne continues her detailed teaching on the healing of the deaf and dumb man from Mark 7, emphasizing the practical application of faith for healing, following the leading of the Holy Spirit, and the importance of skillful cooperation with God's power. She explores how Jesus’ actions were directed by the Spirit rather than by formula, and how these lessons apply to receiving and ministering healing today. The episode imparts encouragement, practical keys, and memorable testimonies to help listeners access what belongs to them in Christ.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Power for Healing is Always Present

• (01:00) Nancy opens by reminding listeners:

  "There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one. That may be describing you... power is present."

• Receiving healing is not about "trying" to get something, but believing what God has already made available.

2. Cooperation is Essential to Receiving Miracles

• (02:30) Nancy stresses:

  "With every miracle and every healing you receive, you have a part to play. You have a role to play. And God always does His role perfectly. The variable is us, not Him."

• Therefore, learning to cooperate skillfully is critical to experiencing results.

3. The Healing of the Deaf & Dumb Man – Mark 7:31

• (04:00) Nancy reads and comments on the passage, noting the unique specifics of Jesus’ ministry in this account:

  • Jesus takes the man aside from the crowd (Mark 7:33), highlighting the importance of environment and the people you surround yourself with when believing for a miracle.

  • "It matters what setting you're in. It matters who you surround yourself with when you need a miracle." (06:00)

• (07:00) "Find those people who will believe God with you... that should be found in your local church."
  The local church as a faith community plays a vital role in supporting believers in faith.

4. The Necessity of Obedience and Sensitivity to the Spirit

• (09:00) Jesus uses an unconventional method: putting fingers in the man’s ears, spitting, and touching his tongue.

  "If God says to do it, that makes it necessary right there. In other words, obey God. Instead of trying to figure out, why do I have to do it that way?"

• Miracles aren’t about formulas but about following the Spirit’s precise leading for every situation.

5. Testimony: Ministering Healing One Step at a Time

• (12:00-22:00) Nancy shares a testimony of a minister called to pray for a terminally ill person:
  • The minister prayed, "God, tell me what to do." The Spirit led him to have the patient confess, "The Lord is the strength of my life," building faith in incremental steps.
  • The principle:

    "Sometimes the mountain isn’t removed all at once – sometimes it’s a stone at a time, a boulder at a time." (16:00)

  • As faith grew, they believed for "half the amount of pain" to be gone, then even less, until the person was completely healed.

  • "If your hand of faith gets a little bit, that's still victory. That's still victory." (21:00)

6. Don’t Decide the Method—Let God Lead

• (24:00) Nancy affirms that there are various ways the Holy Spirit can lead.

  "The genius of the Holy Ghost is worthy of being followed and obeyed... Following the Spirit is a genius move."

• She shares a story from Kenneth Hagin about a healing that required a step of obedience in a specific church to complete, addressing hidden resistance and the necessity to be open to God’s instructions.

7. Focus on God, Not the Need

• (31:00) Jesus, when ministering, "looked up to heaven"—a model for not focusing on the need but on the One who supplies.

  "What gets your attention is what's going to get movement."

  • Story of Smith Wigglesworth: healing came when he prayed with eyes on Jesus, not the sick person's desperate condition.

• "If we're to receive answers to our needs, we can't focus on the need. We have to focus on the One who supplies the need." (34:00)

  • Don’t focus on the body or the problem, but on God and His Word.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one... power is present." (01:00)

• "The variable is us, not Him." (02:50)

• "It matters who you surround yourself with when you need a miracle." (06:00)

• "Obey God. Instead of trying to figure out, why do I have to do it that way?" (09:20)

• "Sometimes the mountain isn’t removed all at once… Sometimes it's removed a stone at a time, a boulder at a time." (16:00)

• "If your hand of faith gets a little bit, that's still victory." (21:00)

• "The genius of the Holy Ghost is worthy of being followed and obeyed." (24:15)

• Story of the goiter healed in stages to address an attitude of "never"— "God is going to address that adamant side of you that could really look like rebellion." (27:00)

• "What gets your attention is what's going to get movement." (31:50)

• "If we're to receive answers to our needs, we can't focus on the need. We have to focus on the One who supplies the need." (34:00)

Important Timestamps

• 00:00–02:30: Introduction – The ever-present power of God, cooperation with faith
• 04:00–08:00: Reading and expounding on Mark 7:31 (Deaf & Dumb Man)
• 09:00–12:00: Jesus’ method – Obeying the Spirit, not formulas
• 12:00–22:00: Testimony – Healing in incremental steps, the importance of faith by measure
• 24:00–30:00: Be open to God’s unique instructions, Holy Spirit’s genius, Kenneth Hagin testimony
• 31:00–35:00: The focus in ministry—looking to God, not the problem; Smith Wigglesworth’s example

Tone and Encouragement

Throughout the episode, Nancy speaks with warmth, authority, and deep compassion, often using personal stories, humor, and repetition for emphasis. Her approach is encouraging and faith-stirring, calling listeners not to be discouraged by "small" faith but to use whatever measure they have, knowing that God is always faithful and the Holy Spirit always leads fruitfully when obeyed.

Summary Takeaways:

• God's healing power is always present; our job is to align with it through faith and obedience.
• Surround yourself with faith-filled believers and the local church.
• There are no formulas in ministering or receiving healing; follow the Holy Spirit’s unique direction.
• Build faith step by step; small victories are still victories.
• Never put limits on how God can work; be open, humble, and teachable.
• Keep your focus on Jesus and God’s promises, not on symptoms or needs.

(Note: For full stories and teachings, listeners are encouraged to check the original episode and Nancy Dufresne’s resources at DufresneMinistries.org.)