Episode Overview

Podcast: Jesus the Healer with Nancy Dufresne
Episode: 117 – Healing & Righteousness, Part 2
Date: December 13, 2022
Main Theme:
Nancy Dufresne continues her teaching on the inseparable link between healing and the believer’s righteousness in Christ. She unpacks the story of the healing at the Pool of Bethesda (John 5), emphasizing how our spiritual state—particularly obedience and addressing unforgiveness or disobedience—affects our ability to receive and maintain healing. The episode focuses on practical faith, confession, living free from condemnation, and allowing God to lead us into a lifestyle that supports ongoing health and blessing.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Presence and Purpose of Healing Power

• Every situation carries God’s healing power: Nancy opens by reminding listeners, “There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one… That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours.” (00:10)
• Release your faith: Nancy encourages listeners to mix faith with the word as they listen, as that is what activates miracles.

The Pool of Bethesda – Healing and Responsibility

• Recap of John 5 (Pool of Bethesda): Nancy sets the scriptural scene, describing the angel’s visitation and the miracle for the first one in the water (01:48).
• Healing isn’t condition-specific: “God can address anything, anything, anything. It wasn't just for certain conditions.” (02:53)
• Jesus’ instruction to the healed man:
  • “Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said unto him, ‘Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.’” (03:55)
  • Meaning: Jesus is teaching not only about receiving but keeping healing—avoiding a lifestyle that reopens the door for the enemy (04:40).

Lifestyle and Healing – Addressing Sin and Condemnation

• Lifestyle matters: Healing belongs to us because of Christ, “but the way we conduct our life can either hinder or open the door to healing power.” (06:10)
• Not about perfection, but persistence:
  • “Don't be concerned, and don't get into fear, If I miss it once, I'm going to lose my healing. No, that's not what he's saying. He's saying, don't persist in a lifestyle of sin.” (06:53)
• Quick confession is key:
  • 1 John 1:9: “The moment you confess, you are authorized to be healed.” (07:45)
• Living free from condemnation:
  • “Once you confess your sin, the blood of Jesus cleanses it and makes it as though you never sinned. Now, how bold would you be before God if you’d never sinned? That’s the way you’re authorized to live once you have confessed any sin in your life.” (08:52)

Righteousness Through Christ

• Righteousness is received, not earned:
  • “We're righteous with his righteousness. We're not righteous because we've done everything right. We're righteous because Jesus did everything right.” (10:26)
  • If we miss it, confession puts us right back “in that flow of righteousness.” (11:20)
• No more sin nature:
  • “Once you're a Christian, you belong to God. You don't have that old sin nature in you anymore...You don't sin because you have a sin nature. We sin because we have a tempter.” (11:36)

Kenneth Hagin’s Principle – The Condition of Your Spirit Affects Your Body

• Quote: “If you will get your spirit where it ought to be, your body will start responding.” – Dad Hagin (12:06)
• Nancy emphasizes that rather than focusing on the physical, “When things are in your spirit, are made, are adjusted when they need to be adjusted...we won't have to struggle to get healing.” (12:44)
• The spirit is the “pipeline” that healing flows through; when the spirit is blocked (by disobedience, unforgiveness, etc.), healing is hindered. (15:35)

Real-Life Example – The Power of Forgiveness

• Story:
  • Woman comes to healing meetings but has long-unresolved strife with her brother over inheritance (20:08).
  • She acts on God’s prompting, calls her brother, they both reconcile and forgive each other.
  • Result: “When she woke up, every single symptom was gone. Every symptom she intended to have prayed for in the meetings.” (21:43)
  • Key insight: “Once she got her spirit in order, her body started responding.” (21:54)

Obedience, the “Faith Pipeline,” and Avoiding Condemnation

• Obedience maintains the flow: “Your faith is really a pipeline... If we disobey God, things can accumulate in our pipeline of faith and then things are hindered from reaching our need.” (15:35)
• Don’t confuse conviction with condemnation:
  • “Condemnation is not the dealing of God...Don’t let a sense of condemnation rob you of your healing.” (23:08)

God’s Process – He Deals with the Heart for Maximum Blessing

• God deals with different issues than we expect:
  • “You start talking to God about one need, and he starts talking about a different arena...He says, I’m talking about your financial need, too, because you’re going to have to address this issue with your marriage.” (25:27)
• Everything flows through the spirit: “Don’t ignore what He’s dealing with you about inwardly because everything God has for your life is going to flow through your spirit, man.” (26:13)
• No hidden sin trap:
  • “Don’t get in this trap…of hidden sin. If you sinned, you were there, you knew it.” (27:00)
  • God makes clear what needs to change.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Receiving Healing Power:

  “There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you... Say, I receive that power. I receive it right now from the top of my head to the soles of my feet.” — Nancy Dufresne (00:10)

• On Sin and Healing:

  “Jesus wants him to hold fast to his healing... because the devil’s a thief. He comes to steal, kill and destroy. He tries to deceive people by bringing old symptoms back to talk them into letting go of their healing.” — Nancy Dufresne (04:40)

• On Righteousness:

  “We’re not righteous because we've done everything right. We're righteous because Jesus did everything right.” — Nancy Dufresne (10:29)

• On Condemnation:

  “Once you confess your sin, the blood of Jesus cleanses it and makes it as though you never sinned. Now, how bold would you be before God if you’d never sinned? That’s the way you’re authorized to live.” — Nancy Dufresne (08:52)

• Dad Hagin’s Principle:

  “If you will get your spirit where it ought to be, your body will start responding.” — Quoted by Nancy Dufresne (12:05)

• Real-Life Example:

  “She went back to her hotel room… when she woke up, every single symptom was gone… Once she got her spirit in order, her body started responding.” — Nancy Dufresne (21:47)

• On God’s Leading:

  “You start talking to God about one need that you have, and he starts talking about a different arena, and you’re going, no, no, no, God, I’m talking to you about this. And he says, so am I.” — Nancy Dufresne (25:27)

Important Timestamps

• 00:10 – Nancy encourages listeners to receive healing power by faith.
• 01:48 – Introduction to the Pool of Bethesda account; explanation of healing power as measurable and for all conditions.
• 03:55 – Reference to John 5:14: Jesus tells the healed man, “sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.”
• 06:10 – Relationship between lifestyle and healing power.
• 07:45 – Importance of confession and freedom from condemnation.
• 10:26 – We are made righteous in Christ, not by works.
• 12:05 – Dad Hagin’s statement about the spirit’s condition affecting the body.
• 15:35 – The “pipeline of faith” metaphor: blockages and obedience.
• 20:08 – The story of the woman who forgave her brother and received healing.
• 21:47 – Immediate healing after forgiveness is extended.
• 23:08 – Distinguishing between God’s conviction and condemnation; addressing known issues.
• 25:27 – God’s approach to dealing simultaneously with various areas of our lives for full blessing.
• 27:00 – Warning against the “hidden sin” trap; God will show what needs improvement.

Conclusion

Summary:
Nancy Dufresne illustrates that healing and righteousness are intimately linked—the flow of God’s healing power into our lives depends on both our standing in Christ and the condition of our hearts. Through scriptural teaching, practical metaphors, and real-life testimony, she urges listeners to address disobedience, walk in forgiveness, and reject condemnation. By keeping our spirits "in order," the power and fullness of God can flow unhindered into every area of our lives.

Final Exhortation:
Receive now! Nancy ministers healing and encourages listeners to declare, “I receive that power... from the top of my head to the soles of my feet” (26:50).

For further study, Nancy recommends her book The Healer Divine, available at dufresneministries.org.