← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Nancy Dufresne
Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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Kenneth Copeland
There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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Nancy Dufresne
I receive it right now from the.
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Kenneth Copeland
Top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the healer. And when you join us today, you're going to see something different. You're going to see a brand new set. And no, we did not change the old, we added a new one. So we have our original set in California, this one is in Texas. So I can go anywhere from the west coast to, well, the central. Central US and film. So we are just so blessed that you are getting to join us for the first day that we're filming in our new studio here in Texas. So we're so glad to have you join us. We've still got. We still get to have a studio audience. What about that? I mean, the only thing is you're not going to see as much of them. So there you'll hear voice. You might not see as many bodies, but they're still here. You're not hearing anything. Candy, these are live people, aren't you? They're very live people. So anyway, we're just glad they're joining us. We're glad you're joining us. And we're believing God for answers, for your life. Thank God for the Word. It takes our life and it sets it on course. And so we are believing God, that you're going to hear what you need in your life today. We invite you get something to take notes on, get a Bible, follow along with us because we're expecting God to speak to you. Amen. I'm going to start today referring to something that Brother Copeland preached on. He actually just made one statement in the course of a sermon that I was in a service with him recently. And I tell you, it matters that you're in the place where God told you to be. And what I mean by that, God has people that he has anointed to speak into your Life. And you need to know who those people are. Number one, your pastor. And there may be other teachers that God would bring into your life, but you have to know where God told you to be hooked up. Because in that divine connection, there's divine hearing. And so when Brother Copeland, he is a voice into my life. And just hearing him make that one statement, it was like God opened up a whole room with that one statement. That one statement became a window, a door that I could go through and just see something more that God had for us. So we're just going to start there and see where we go. Amen. So I want to quote something. He was. Brother Copeland was telling a story. This was probably in the 1970s. He was just young in his ministry, just starting out. And Kenneth Hagin was a voice that spoke into Brother Copeland's life. And God spoke to Brother Copeland one day. He said, I want you to sow $50,000 into Brother Hagin's ministry. Well, at that time, I don't even remember if they were even. Brother Copeland and them were even out of debt. They might have had debt back then, but $50,000, are you kidding? In the 70s, it's not cheap now, but can you imagine what it was back then? So God said that to him, and Brother Copeland made a statement, because, of course, he did not have in his own hands the resources for that. But when God spoke that to Brother Copeland, he said this. He said, in him, in Christ, I can give it. Oh, my gosh. When he said that in Christ I can give it, he said, in Christ, I have it. So in Christ, I can give it. So what's he saying? In Christ is all that we're going to need to obey God to fulfill what we're born for outside of Christ. We can't be assured that we can fulfill and cooperate with all God's put in our heart. Why? Because God never intended that we fulfill his plan apart from Him. Amen. So what's that mean? We need to major on who we are in Christ. Because everything that God tells us to do, commands us to do, and his plan holds for us. It can only be accomplished as we are mindful that we are in him, we are in Christ. And if we try to accomplish these things that God's put in our heart apart from him, thinking we've got to come up with our own resources, come up with our own education, come up with our own natural ability to fulfill these things, we're going to be sadly disappointed. Because everything that comes out of God is so Grand. It's so great, it's so large that it requires his involvement. Amen. The plan of God. You never have enough money to fund, but he has the supply for it. Now, when we tell this story that happened with Brother Copeland, we're not just talking about a financial situation. We are talking about a mindset that we have to have as believers. That when God commands us of something, we don't look to ourselves to fulfill it. We realize if God said it, God intends to fulfill it through us. He's the partner in this. Now remember what the Word says. It says that we are co laborers with God. Now remember, Jesus said, I only say what I hear my Father say. I only do what I see my Father do. So Jesus first, first of all, he heard from God. He saw what God wanted, and then he joined God in what he was doing. What's that mean? God is the laborer and we're the co laborer. We come alongside what God has told us to do. Because when he gives us a command, all he needs is someone to say yes, that he can flow through because he intends to do it through us. So when Brother Copeland heard give Brother Hagin $50,000, God did not intend for Brother Copeland to go raise the money. He did not intend to. If I could say this, empty out Brother Copeland's accounts just so he could have something that meant God had a supply of $50,000 waiting for brother Copeland to say yes so that that supply could be received. Does that make sense? People have to. We have to think of this right, that when God commands us of something, he intends to do it. He's waiting for our yes. He's waiting for us to say we will co labor with him not just in giving, but in any obedience of the commands that he gives. Because God does not tell us something as an option. He tells us something as a command. And we have to realize when God speaks to us, he's not suggesting something, he's commanding something. Because we are soldiers. The word likens us to soldiers in the army. What's that mean? A soldier is not given suggestions by his commanding officer. He's given commands. And so we need to realize that when God speaks to us, he's commanding something of us, but not to get something from us, but so he can further work through us. Amen. So in this, when Brother Copeland heard God say, give $50,000 to Brother Hagin, do you know, it took a renewed mind to hear that and not reject it? Because how many times has God. I've done it. Have Y' all done this to where you hear God say something, you go, satan, I resist you. And Jesus, I rebuke you. Why? Because it sounded bigger than you thought you could process or take in. That's why God does not. That's one reason he does not reveal all of his plan to us at once. Because the natural man would kick it out and resist it and reject it sometimes thinking that it's not God speaking to us. So as we're able to grow in our ability to hear, then he can speak larger things to us. You know, God did not tell Brother Copeland, the day he got born again, give a preacher $50,000. He had to grow into hearing that kind of command. So what kind of ear is going to hear God and not reject it? The renewed mind. We have to renew our minds. And the more we renew our minds to what God says to us in his Word, then when God speaks, we recognize it and we don't. If I could say this, choke over it. We don't say, oh, I could never do that in Christ. If God said it in Christ, we can do it. Pastors, God no doubt has given you a vision for your own building in Christ. You can have that building. Now, if you're just going to look at your finances and decide on a balance sheet whether or not you can have that, you may falter. But if you'll realize he gave me this command because he intends to bring the supply to pass through me, and he's waiting for us to say yes. Yes. So why? Why does God, if I could say this, wait for our yes? Because once he receives the yes, then we can receive the supply. Someone that says no or someone who doubts is not in position to receive the supply God's offering them. When Brother Copeland said yes to the giving of that amount to Brother Hagin, when he had that yes now, he had a capacity to receive the supply of $50,000. Now, let's just go off that example for a little while longer. We're not going to. I don't want you to just think of this in the financial field, the financial arena, but let me just talk about it in the financial arena a little bit further. Is that when that money comes, he has to recognize that's for my sowing. That's not just because I need 50. Listen, I need 50,000. You probably could do 50,000, right when that supply shows up. That's for the giving. You can't mistake it as for bread to eat. The Bible says God gives seed to the sower and he gives Bread to the eater. You have to recognize what's seed and what's bread. Because my seed is for sowing. My bread is for the sustaining of my own life. So when we say yes to God, if you were in that position that Brother Copeland was in, and you say, yes, God, I'll give that amount, then you're looking for that amount to come as seed. Don't in your thinking when parts of it arrive. Cause you know what? When Brother Copeland gave that, it did not arrive all at once. It was little by little as he gave. He looked for opportunities to give. Now, can I tell you this? Don't forget to use your faith for sowing. Now, what I mean by that is this. When we need maybe a mortgage payment, we need. We have a financial need. We'll use our faith for that, won't we? But sometimes people forget to use their faith to have a seed to sow. Father, I'm going to my church on Sunday. The pastor's putting a project in front of us. I'm believing you right now for the seed to sow. So your faith is not just for receiving your own needs met. Your faith is for having seed to sow. So Brother Copeland was looking for a way. Once he said, yes, he was looking for that seed to show up. Now, $50,000 could look like a harvest. But he had to remember, wait, that's a seed. What he did is that whenever he would receive change, you know, you break a dollar bill and you get change back on that, he would just put that aside. And after a short time, he would send as much as he could to Brother Hagin. He didn't keep track of how much he sent in to Brother Hagin on that. On that gift. But after a period of time, he called Brother Hagin's ministry and he asked one of the employees, can you tell me how much I've given? And he stated the date he would have started toward that. So. And when they told him, he said it was well over $50,000. And he gave that in change just over time. And Brother Copeland said this, he says, I know this. That 50,000 didn't come through my hands. God multiplied my seed to my account. What was that? Brother Copeland realized that although I don't have the money personally in hand, in Christ, I have it. That's what I want us to spend some time talk about in the upcoming episodes in Christ. I have all I need now if I'm going to step outside of Christ. What's that mean? I'm going to try to do it in my own mentality. I'm going to try to do it with my own effort. I'm going to try to do it with my own funds. Then I'll falter because what I can do in Christ is so much greater than what I can do in myself. So we are to be in Christ minded. We are to build in us in Christ I can do it in Christ I'm healed. I don't care what my body says. In Christ I'm healed. In Christ I have peace, in Christ I have joy. Everything is mine in Christ. And we need to run everything that God would say to us through who we are in Christ. Not who we are in the flesh, but who we are in Christ. And when Brother Copeland made that statement, when God said, I want you to give $50,000 to Brother Hagin, he said, in Christ I have it and in Christ I can give it. My gosh, that makes me ah. I want to scream. Why? It's thrilling. Because that brings it all out of my ability and into his ability. If we will build that mindset in Him, I can do it in Him. I have it in Him. It's mine in Him, I can fulfill it in Him. The plan will come to pass because the devil so much know this. When the devil opposes, he always works to get you looking at you. Because in you is not enough. I'm talking about in your flesh, in the natural side of you. He always is working to get your mind, your thoughts, your measuring focused on you. But those who have established in them I am in Christ. That you will not be duped by that strategy of the enemy. Drawn back to who you are in you, but who you are in Him. The enemy knows I've got to get them thinking differently than who they are in Him. Because in him you are Satan's master in him every strategy of the enemy fails in Him. But that's why the devil is constantly trying to draw us away in our thought life of who we are in Him. So what do we do to build that in us? We establish the word in us of who we are in Christ. Amen. How do we do that? Well, let me tell you this. On our website@jesussahedro.org we have posted a list and I think they're even printed out. It's not just the scripture reference, but the scripture is fully written out too. There's about 130, 140 scriptures of who we are in Christ. What belongs to us. When you see a scripture that says in him, in Christ through Him. Those are telling us what belongs to us. Because we're in Him. We need to feed on those and build those in us. So go to our website, that's free for you to download. You can print that out, feed on those scriptures. Establish in you who I am in him, what's mine because I'm in Him. What I can do because I'm in Him. Because everything God commands of you can only be done in Him. The plan of God that He has for your life can only be done in Him. So let's put in place the spiritual habit, the mental habit, and the verbal habit of saying, in Him, I can do it in Him, I have it in Him, I can give it in Him, I can fulfill it. In Him I can serve. It's all in him. Meaning this. We're the vessel he's working through. If I could. Can I describe it this way? Have you ever seen maybe you have a glove in your closet or in your drawer somewhere, and that glove can do nothing as long as it's just a glove by itself. You put a hand in that glove and that glove takes on movement. That did not come from the glove. It came from what is in that glove. That's the way we live. We're not moving in this life based on who we are in this flesh. But we have the greater one on the inside. In him we live. In him we move, and in him we have our being. Amen. Think of what that means for life. It takes the struggle out. It takes the worry out. No more struggle. No more struggle to be a giver. Because when I say yes to being a giver now, God is obligated to fill that yes with divine supply. When I say yes to the plan of God now, God is obligated to grace me so that that plan can be fulfilled through me. Now, have you ever noticed this? It dawned on me in recent times when God asked you. Because sometimes he's asked me something. I remember several years ago, I was looking out across the property across the way from my home, and God said to me, do you want that building? Because right across the lake was a building, a historical building. And he says, do you want that building? He didn't say, I command you to get it. He was leaving it up to my faith. Did I have faith enough to say yes? And I said, yes. When God offered me that building, he did not hand me the bill. He handed me his grace. Amen. Now God has made us free will, moral agents. What does that mean? That phrase means he does not force Us into any answer. We have the opportunity to say yes or no. Why is that? Because God does not want someone serving him who's a robot. He wants someone worshiping him, loving him, obeying him. Because they chose Him. That's right. They chose him. You chose him. That's why you're born again. That's why you're a child of God. You chose him. And that's how God wants to be worshiped. That's how God wants to be served. That's how he wants to be loved. We chose him. Amen. So he leaves it up to us. He will not manipulate our will so that he can get us to do what he wants. He leaves it completely up to us. He shows us what his plan is, he speaks his plan to us, and then we can either say yes or we can say no. Now, the grace of God empowers us to fulfill what God has offered us. God will not grace us to say yes to his plan. Now, let me say that again. God will not grace us to say yes. Why? Because then it's a forcing, it's a manipulation of our will. He wants us, of our own free will, to say yes. On the inside of me. I want what you say. I want what you offer me. I want your plan. And then when we say yes, the grace of God meets our yes and empowers us. But until we say yes, we won't sense the grace to fulfill what he is offering us, what he's commanding of us. Why? Because he's not manipulating our will. Where is the struggle that so many of us get into? It's because we are vacillating, wondering, struggling to say yes. He won't help you say yes. He wants it of your own free will. But once you say yes, he will meet you and feel that yes with his ability. Now, have you ever noticed this? Anytime you're struggling with something, it's because we're not in agreement with what his word says to us or what he's commanding. If we'll just go, why? We're measuring ourselves. Let me just take that example of Brother Copeland. If God said to somebody, would you give $50,000? You go, oh, my goodness. I don't have. I don't have that. Where am I going to get that? I'm just struggling to pay my own bills. I'm just struggling to make this payment. I'm just struggling to make that payment. And see, we go through all these mental gymnastics before we arrive at yes. If we'll just say yes, then all of a Sudden we'll recognize, oh, it's his ability that's going to fulfill that. But the struggle is many times it just arriving at saying yes. The quicker you say yes, the quicker you close the door to the devil to talk to you. You know, whenever I was before I got born again, I was born again at 19. I was going down the road in my car and there was, if I could say this, it felt like a spiritual war going on on the inside of me. Why? Because God was wooing me by his spirit. But the devil was giving me all of these strategies mentally of why I should not yield to God. One of the strategies that the devil used with me, he'll maybe use something different with different people. But the one that he used with me was, if you give your life to Jesus, that's the end of your dreams. Your dreams are dead. You can never fulfill the dreams you have for your life. So that strategy worked for weeks. It worked for a period of time. Therefore, I did not say yes. I was trying to resolve that conflict. But one day, if I could say this, the wooing of the Holy Ghost was so strong, I didn't resist it anymore. And I said yes. And I was born again at that moment. Then I realized, oh, my goodness, I just came into a peace, a joy, a life that my dreams could have never arrived me at. And then I've seen that God's plan, God's dream for my life was so much greater than anything I could have formulated. But where was the struggle? From the time I sensed God's dealings with me to the time I said yes, there's the struggle. But once I said yes, I came face to face with the grace of God to live the plan of God. That's what Brother Copeland said when he said yes to giving that seed in Christ, I have it. In Christ, I can give it. In Christ, I can do it. What did he do? He bypassed all the mental gymnastics that we. That. That the devil throws at us to try to get us to delay or not even give a yes answer. So what are we to do? Let's build in us the mentality. In Christ I can. In Christ, I have it. In Christ, I can do it. In Christ, I can fulfill it. In Christ I can give it. Amen. I don't know about you, but this thrills me. Why? Because now yes is so quick and yes is so easy. Because God's not requiring it of my ability. He's looking for me to say yes so he can bring his ability. And I'm a co laborer with his ability. He's not a co laborer with my ability. I'm a co laborer with his ability. What's that mean? He does the work and I just move with him. Amen. Well, you don't want to miss next time we're going to keep going this direction. And until next time I would say this. Find those in Him Scriptures. Find those scriptures that say in Christ in Him in whom? Get those off of our website because we want you to start building that in you and establish that in you. What does that do? What does that do? That that puts you on solid ground and helps you to quickly and easily resist the strategy of the enemy against you. Amen. So remember this until next time. Jesus is the Healer. God bless you.
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Nancy Dufresne
To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit dufresneministries.org.
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Grant Dufresne
In this book, Responding to the Holy Spirit, Nancy Dufresne instructs us how to properly respond to God and the moving of His Spirit. Order this book now@dufresneministries.org.
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Nancy Dufresne
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Grant Dufresne
Jesus gave us the key to his success. He stayed with the plan that God gave him to fulfill. In this book by Nancy Dufresne, God the Revealer of Secrets, you will learn how to know God's perfect will for your life and how to accomplish that divine plan. Order this book now@dufresneministries.org.
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Nancy Dufresne
We invite you to join us at World Harvest Church, home of Dufresne ministries in Murrieta, California. Located at 23109 Palomar Street, Marietta, California, this is a Word and Spirit church. Join us in person or online Sunday mornings at 10am and Tuesday nights at 7pm Pacific Time. For more information go to defrainministries.org.
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Kenneth Copeland
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Nancy Dufresne
You have received a healing or have any other testimony to share with us as a result of this broadcast, we would love to hear about it. Please call us, write us or contact us through our website. Shop Nancy Dufresne's books and other products as well as Jesus the Healer merchandise on our website@jesusthehealer.org or call us at 951-696-9258 to place your order. Today.
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Kenneth Copeland
We'Re excited to announce a new worship album called in youn Glory by Grant Dufresne. For more ways to listen to in youn Glory, scan the QR code on your screen. But I believe you died so that you could could provide.
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Nancy Dufresne
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