← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Kenneth Copeland
Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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Nancy Dufresne
There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now. I receive it right now from the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the Healer. Listen, on the previous episode, we started teaching in a direction. We want you to go back and watch the previous episode if you. You missed it, because we're going to keep going that vein, and I don't know, I'm a repeater. So we may repeat some of the things, but it's so important what we're teaching on, and it will bless you because the word always blesses us, doesn't it? I started in the previous episode talking about something, a statement that Brother Copeland made. Kenneth Copeland made while he was preaching. And he just made this one statement in the course of his sermon, but I heard it in a big. And so we're going to take that statement and expound on it. He was relaying about how in the 1970s, he was relating to us rather, or telling the story about how young in his ministry. And I don't believe he was even out of debt at that point, because when he got born again, there was a lot of debt that him and Sister Gloria had acquired. And they were beginning to believe God for finances. And they were just seeing what the word was saying about prosperity. And God spoke to Brother Copeland, said, I want you to give $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin's ministry. Now, Kenneth Hagin was a voice into Brother Copeland's life. And can you imagine, in the 70s, $50,000? I mean, it's a lot now, but in the 70s, that's a huge amount, especially if you're in debt, especially if financially there's struggle, you know, just in your own personal life. And so God said, I want you to give 50,000 dol. I love something. Brother Copeland made this statement, he said, because, of course, he didn't have it in his own resources to do that. But Brother Copeland Made this statement. He said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. That went off in me. In Christ is how we're to live, how we're to fulfill the plan of God. We have to see ourselves as in Christ. That everything we do, we do because of the greater one on the inside of us. It's him working through us. And how many of you know the devil works so hard to get our focus, our attention, our eyes on. In our own ability to fulfill something? God speaks something to us. He gives us a plan, a vision. And we start immediately going to the natural, going to the mental arena, saying, how can I ever do that? I can't do that. No. God doesn't ever give you something you can do. He gives you something only he can do. And so he's waiting for us to agree with what he can do through us. That's so important. It's what he can do through us. It's not what we can do to fulfill what he said. It's what he can do through us. So when Brother Copeland said, in Christ I have the money, in Christ I can give it. So let's give ourselves this spiritual habit. Let's give ourselves that renewed mind that says, in him, in Christ I can fulfill the plan of God. In Christ, I can do everything he's called me to do. Because every one of us are called to something. You might not be called to a fivefold preaching ministry, but you're called to his plan.
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Grant DeFresne
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
He has the best plan for your life. And all that plan is waiting for is not just your ability, but your yes to his ability. We are co laborers with God, is what the Word says. What's that mean? When we joined with him, remember what Jesus said. He said, come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden. Give you rest, take on my yoke. My yoke is easy. My burden is light.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because when we yoke up with His Word, when we yoke up with his plan, when we yoke up with his anointing, when we yoke up with his grace. He's the one that does the heavy work. All we do is we join with what he's doing. Then he rewards us for joining with what his ability accomplished. It's amazing system. I mean, he rewards us for his own ability working through us. That's only God's goodness is that good. Right? And so God is waiting for us to say yes to what he can do through us. He does the heavy lifting. He does the work as co laborers. He's the laborer and we're the co laborer joining with him in the work he does. Now, what's Paul said? Remember this in Acts, he said this in Him. We live in him. We move in Him. We have our being, our existence. Everything is from Him. So why would we wait till we get to Heaven to recognize that we live out his plan in Him. He. We can fulfill that plan perfectly with him, doing it through us. We're doing that plan through Him. We're walking out the Everything is in Him. In Him. You can. You can be the vessel Heaven intended. Can I tell you? Let's look at Jesus life. Think about he went. Never missed it. Never missed. God obeyed every step of the way. What happened because he obeyed. People's lives healed, bodies healed. Demons cast out. Lepers cleansed, dead, raised blind, seeing Revelation coming, lives being set on course, rescued. Everything of his life was a blessing.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because he said, I can. He said, it's My Father in Me that does the work. My Father in me. That's the way in Christ is to live. The Father in Me, the greater One in Me, doing the works, I'm doing this in Christ. We need to give ourselves this divine habit, this spiritual habit of getting up every day and saying, today I'm in Him. Today I'm moving in Him. Everything God commands of me, I can do it in Him. I can fulfill it in Him. Because so much of the time people look at their own inability and they get pushed down. Have you ever noticed this? The more you look at you, the lower you sink, the more you look at him, you rise.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
It's all in what your attention is on. It's not in what your ability is in, it's what your attention is on. If our attention is on your he's working in me. Remember what it says in Philippians. It is God is working in us both to will and to do of his good pleasure. He's working in us. We're not working in us. We're not becoming the best version of us. He's working in us so that we become the best version. Now, the way Jesus lived is a life totally dependent upon the Greater One in Him, the Father in Him. He lived that way.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because he was showing us. If you'll live remembering, living, mindful of you're moving in me, in me is everything. Then you can do everything I did on this earth, our life, his life was an example of what our life could do, what our life could be, what we could fulfill. Amen. Everything that God tells us to do, we can do in him now if we're going to go back and think of, well, I've messed up. I've messed up so much. I missed it here, I missed it there. You can't fulfill the plan of God looking at that. I love something that. Smith Wigglesworth makes this statement, and he's an English preacher who. His ministry was on the forefront in the first half of the 1900s. But he said, in as much as a man looks back, that's how much he's missed God. What does that mean? We can't look at our past because we'll miss God if we do that. What did Paul say? He said, forgetting those things that are behind, pressing to go forward. What is that? Think of this. Think of what was behind Paul. Paul's past. He was an opposer of salvation. He was an opposer of Jesus. He was an opposer of every Christian. He didn't just oppose, he imprisoned. He consented to the death of. I mean, he was an enemy. Christ didn't realize he was, but he was. And he could have easily been held back from going forth in his ministry by being reminded of what's behind. But in Christ, he could fulfill Christ's best, even though his past looked like it did. What's that mean? You're authorized to forget your past.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because the blood of Jesus cleanses us as though we never missed it. Amen.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
So that we. We would move in him. And not in us, not in our past. Can I tell you this? Every time we talk about the past, we update it. Every time we remember where we missed it, we update it. It's to be forgotten. It's to be cleansed by the blood of Jesus. It's to be no more. A stumbling block for moving ahead. So what are we going to do? We're going to say, in Christ, I'm clean. In Christ, I never missed it. In Christ, I am who he says I am. But the devil always wants to pull us back to this flow of condemnation. And so the answer to condemnation is, I'm in Christ now. Those old things are passed away. That past is gone because we're moving ahead. In him. In him now. Now, I want you to go with me to Psalm 112:1 and that reads this, Praise ye the Lord. Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord. Look at this that delighteth greatly in his commands. Look at this that delighteth greatly in his commands. Part of a real key to Brother Copeland's success. When God said, I want you to give $50,000. He said, yes, not because he had it, but because he knew who he had, not what he had in the natural, but who he had in him. So he said, in him, I can give it. In him, I can do it. So Brother Copeland did not resist or reject saying yes to that. And he took the change that he acquired every day. Any change that he got, he accumulated it. And then he would send chunks of that in to Brother Hagin's ministry. I don't know how long after that, but Brother Copeland said, I didn't keep track of how much I sent in. So I contacted their ministry and wanted to know how much I had given. And when they told him, they said, you've given well over $50,000. He said, I knew over $50,000 in change in the 1970s did not come through my hands, but when he said yes, God made up the difference, so it was fulfilled.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because he approached that as in him, I can do it. Now, if somebody heard, many times people may hear what God said to Brother Copeland about giving 50,000 dol. They may think, I hope he never tells me to give 50,000. But notice what Psalm chapter 112 said that the man that praises the Lord, he fears the Lord. He delights greatly in his commands. He's not afraid to hear. He's not afraid of what God may say to him. He's excited. He's eager to hear a command from God. Now listen to that. He's eager to hear a command of God. He's not hoping God doesn't tell him to do that. He's not hoping God doesn't tell him to move to that city or move to that country. He's eager to hear God, what would you say to me today?
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because this man realizes when I hear what God says and commands in my life and I say yes, he fulfills it, and I end up. The blessing grows on me. The blessing grows on me because it says, blessed is the man that fears the Lord. And he knows when I obey, I only get more blessed. And when Brother Copeland said yes, he only got more blessed by giving that money than by struggling against giving it. So what's the devil's strategy? He hopes you struggle with the command. Instead of delighting greatly in the commands in Christ, we can delight greatly in the commands. We're not going to leave our wallet at home when we go to church, hoping God doesn't. We don't have to give.
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Audience
Right.
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Nancy Dufresne
We're looking. God, what would you say to me today? What would you command of me today. And I'm delighted to hear that. Now, if you struggle with obedience, this is the cure. Say God, I delight greatly you speak. I choose to be delighted at what you command of me.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because God can only bless obedience. He cannot bless disobedience. In fact, disobedience is dangerous.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because that's on the devil's territory. Disobedience is the devil's territory. So anytime you're struggling with, I know God's dealing with me about this, but I'm struggling with that. Start saying, I delight greatly in his commands and act like that. You act like it. That's what Brother Copeland did when he heard God say, give $50,000. He delighted greatly by saying, in Christ I can do it. In Christ I can fulfill it. I want you to know God is not a hard taskmaster. He is not pushing our nose to the grindstone and making us do things, compelling us to do things that are an affliction. It's all to get greater blessing flowing in our life. You know, think about this. When God has said, he said the tithe is mine, right? We give him what's his tithes? The offering we can give we purpose in our heart. How much to give of the offering. As a man purposes in his heart, so let him give. He's talking about the offering there. God's already purposed that the tithe is his. What's the word tithe mean? It's 10th. So when we give that, that 10th, we give that tithe. Where are you going to give it? Well, it goes to your local church.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because it says, bring the tithe into the storehouse. Where's the storehouse? The place you eat, the place that feeds your life. You bring that into your local church. You give that amount. You give whatever God tells you to give. There are times I don't just give to my local church. In fact, I think I do more giving outside that tithe. And that doesn't. That offering will go to many places. But that tithe, when I give that, I give that tithe. I give that offering. I know this. I've only received because I did that. It didn't take something out of my life. But when I give that tithe, when I give that offering, you know what God does? That local church that I give to, that ministry that I receive from, they turn around and spend it on me.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because when I give my tithe to the local church, now what happens? Now I can fund this building so my life and my family can come here and hear the word of God. And. And God. God commands us to give. Then he turns around and spends it on us. It doesn't leave our life. When Brother Copeland heard From God give $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin, Brother Hagin's ministry so fed Brother Copeland's life. And we're all benefiting from that seed of obedience. And it caused him to receive even more because he kept funding the man who was teaching his life, one of the men. There were many that poured into Brother Copeland. But I just want you to see, when we obey the commands of God, it boomerangs back into our life and blesses us. So the devil wants us to think that it's a struggle to obey, but we delight greatly. We choose to delight greatly. To delight. I delight when God tells me to do something because I know when I obey what he commands in my life, the blessing on me increases. Amen. Praise the Lord. Now, have you ever noticed that when God commands something of us, it's at the most, naturally speaking, the most inopportune time. Have you noticed that everything that God commanded my husband and I to do, so far as building a building, starting a project in the natural. We never had the money.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because God wasn't going to use ours. He's going to use his supply. He was going to bless our supply with his supply. And our supply would become something it had never been. When his supply got joined to our supply. Does that make sense? I remember when God spoke to me that he was going to give me Sister Amy Simple McPherson's. It was her vacation home. There was so much. It wasn't long after my husband had just gone to heaven. There was so much financially I was responsible for. I was responsible for more than any in my whole life. In my whole life. I'm talking like, in my whole life, I had never owed so much as at that point. And then at that point, God said, I'm going to give you Sister Amy's castle. And I go, oh, let's not throw something else on my plate. But I said yes. And when I said yes, that was the first home I ever paid cash for. Right in the midst of all that, I owed all the responsibility.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because God, when he gave me that command, he gave me that word that he was going to give me that home, and I said yes. He never intended for me to pay for it. He intended for me to open up the way for his supply. If Brother Copeland would have never said yes to giving that $50,000, he would have never received that money into his hands. So know this. When you say yes to God, you just said yes to abundance. That, that project, that assignment calls for the plan of God. Let me tell you the. Let me tell you another testimony that will reflect this. There was a man in the 60s, he was an evangelist, and God began dealing with him to go to a certain country and do an evangelistic crusade. And he kept saying to himself, I don't have the money for that. I don't have the resources to hold a crusade there. I don't even know anyone in that country. And God dealt with him for several years and he never did it. Not a couple of years after those dealings with God, war broke out in that country and devastated that country. It wasn't until 40 years later he ended up in that country holding an evangelistic crusade. During that evangelistic crusade, a man came up to him, and it was a preacher that had been in that, a native of that country. And he came up to this evangelist and said, where have you been? And this evangelist said, what do you mean? He said, we have been waiting on you since the 60s to come. And he goes, I've never been here. How could you be waiting on me? He said, God showed me you in a vision and told me you were coming to hold a crusade in my nation. And he said, we raised all the money, we had the arena ready, and you never showed up. What was it? This evangelist was measuring his resources and said no based on his resources. He had no idea that if he would have said yes, everything was in place, waiting for his arrival to say yes. When God commands something of you, he's already working on the backside. He's. If we're not careful, all we do is look at the front side. We just look at what we can see, what we can provide, what we can do, what we can accomplish. And we answer based on the front side. Never answer based on the front side. There's the backside of provision. There's the backside of God's plan, and it's already funded. You say this. Why would God show this man, this evangelist's face and say he's coming? Didn't God know that he wouldn't come? Yes, but God doesn't speak to us and show us another means disobedience. He speaks to us about what he told another man to do. God commands. He shows us based on what his will is, not based on someone's disobedience. Let me give you an example so I can clarify that. I remember years ago in pastoring our church in California, I went to the service, it was a Sunday night service I was holding that afternoon. I had a real prayer burden. And so I was praying and that didn't. If I could say that, that didn't lift. It stayed with me. So I go to the service and I missed it. I should have turned that service into a prayer service, but I missed it. And I just ended up teaching. And I realized, boy, we didn't hit the. We didn't hit the highest flow in that service.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because I missed it. There's a precious pastor who lives close to us, and God uses him strongly in prayer. He said, God told us. He came to our service that night. And I go, how did you. I thought you'd be in your church. He said, God told us to come to the service tonight. And I realized God sent him there so that we could pray together in that service. But I missed it. See, God still told him to come. Did God know I was going to miss it? Yes. But God doesn't direct someone based on my disobedience. He speaks. He spoke to him based on his plan for that service, and I missed it. How many times God's going to speak to us things. Let's do our part. Amen. Let's do our part. So you could say, did that man from that country miss it? No. That man saw that evangelist's face. God didn't miss it. The man who didn't say yes missed it. He did not calculate. In Christ, he could have done that crusade. In Christ, the money would have been there. In Christ, the connections, the divine connections that he needed to go into that nation and hold that crusade would have been there. But he never moved toward it. You have to move toward what God says. When you have nothing, move in the direction that you need to go.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because in the movement, God's supply and provision meets movement. God's supply does not meet lack of movement. In him we live and move. Look at that. In him, we live and move. If we stop, provision doesn't come to stopping. It comes to movement.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because faith is an action. Faith is a movement. Faith is always moving ahead. If you'll make movement toward what God told you to do, even when it looks like you don't have enough, the supply will meet your movement.
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Audience
Why?
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Nancy Dufresne
Because in him you're supplied. Amen. In him you can do it. In him, you can fulfill it. Amen. Well, we invite you on our website. Go to our website, jesusthehealer.org and for free, you can download these scriptures. They're called In Him Scriptures. Go to our website, Download those, feed on those, build that in you. Why? So that every command that God gives you, you say in Him Scripture, I can do it. Amen. Well, God bless you. We don't want you to miss next time. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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Kenneth Copeland
To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit defrainministries.org.
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Grant DeFresne
In this book, responding to the Holy Spirit, Nancy Dufresne instructs us how to properly respond to to God and the moving of His Spirit. Order this book now@DefrainMinistries.org.
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Kenneth Copeland
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Grant DeFresne
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Nancy Dufresne
This is Nancy Dufresne and I want to extend an invitation to you to become a partner with dufresne Ministries today. God bless you.
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Kenneth Copeland
Partnership helps with crusades held nationwide and abroad, printing and publishing of books and other materials, operational costs, and TV and other media broadcasts. For more information and to sign up to become a partner, go to defrainministries.org.
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Nancy Dufresne
We'Re excited to announce a new worship album called in youn glory by Grant DeFresne. For more ways to listen to in youn Glory, scan the QR code on your screen. Your glory is your power.
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Kenneth Copeland
We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us at defrainministries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, submit a prayer request or visit our online store. Thank you to the friends and partners of defresne Ministries for making this production possible.