← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Kenneth Copeland
Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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Nancy Dufresne
There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now. I receive it right now from the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the Healer. We're in the middle of a series, and my, my, my. I'm loving this series because it's such a central truth that every believer has to be firmly established in this truth to really experience the best life that God authored for us. And this series is called In Christ, I Can Do It. We're learning what it means to lean on and draw on who we are in Christ. This comes from a story that Brother Copeland was telling, a testimony how in the 1970s, God spoke to him and said, I want you to give 50,000. $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin Ministries. Now think about it. In the 70s, $50,000. It's a lot now. It was so much then Brother Copeland talked about. Of course, he was in debt at the time. Can you imagine hearing God say to you when you're in debt and you're struggling financially and God says, give another person or another ministry $50,000. That sounds like an impossibility. And so Brother Copeland made this statement of his response. Of course he obeyed God. He ended up doing that and over time fulfilled that seed that he sowed to Brother Hagin Ministries. But the response that Brother Copeland gave when God said it to him is what we're focusing on because it shows the knowledge and the skill of who we are in Christ. So when God said, I want you to give Kenneth Hagin Ministries $50,000, Brother Copeland, instead of saying, wow, where am I going to get that money? I don't have that much money. I don't have that in the account. I can't give it because I don't have it, his response was, in Christ, I have it. So in Christ, I can give it huge. Huge. That landed in me. I didn't hear anything else of his sermon that Night, because that kept talking to me. And I realized that anything God commands of us, anything the Word tells us to do, we can't do it in ourselves, but we can do it in Him. God never intended that we do it in ourself. He only ever intended that He. He does the work through us. Now, that's what in Christ means. We're mindful that the greater One is in Me and He's in there to do something. He's in us to put us over so we can draw on his ability, his life, his power, his supply. And so I could say it to. I could say it this way, in Christ we can do it. But outside of Christ is going to be failure. If we try to do it apart from him, it will fail. Everything you're born for can only be fulfilled one way in Christ employing His ability. Now, we've talked about that God has given to every man. There's a plan for your life that cannot be fulfilled of yourself. Because if it were possible for you to do it without God, why would he involve Himself? No, God is not. God's plan for your life is so great, it's so grand that it requires God's involvement for it to be fulfilled.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So because what he's given you is so great, you say, well, I don't know if the plan of God for my life is great. Listen, the plan of God for your life came out of him and he's great, and nothing but greatness comes out of Him. That means that the plan of God for your life is great because of who authored that plan. God did not evaluate your abilities when he formed a plan for your life, he evaluated his abilities and that he built his abilities into your plan, the plan for your life. And so God expects us to draw on him for the fulfillment of everything he's called us to do. So in Christ we can do it. Outside of Christ, we cannot. And so this is what just stood out so much to me, is that God offers Himself. Now, we were talking about this in a previous episode of how do we draw on in Christ? How do we employ the greater One in us? Number One, we just obey Him. If he commands us to do something, we obey Him. Why? Because every time we obey him, listen, faith comes by hearing and hearing from hearing the Word of God. Now when we talk about hearing the Word of God, we're talking about hearing what God says in His Word, but also hearing what God says to us by His Spirit. Right? When we hear from God, faith is there. So once you hear God say, do this, do that. Then that means the faith to do it came with the hearing. Because faith lives in what God says. And then you hear what God says. And God transmits His faith into you through his words. So if you heard it and God's speaking to you, then you have faith to do it. Right. Now, if you didn't hear it from God, you won't have faith to do it if he didn't say it. Because faith only comes with what he says. Faith comes by hearing and hearing, by the word of God. Or we could say this, hearing what God says. So that's, number one, the key to knowing that you can be successful in something. You got to hear from what God says to you about it. You can't just formulate a plan. Can I say it this way? Don't form a plan for your life. Hear the plan for your life. God has already authored the plan. It's not about you coming up with the plan. It's about you hearing it. And once you hear him command something of your life, then the faith to do it is there. That faith is in his words. It lives in his words. And once you hear it, that faith goes into you. So you can do it. How are you going to do it? Number one, hear what he says. Number two, obey what he says. That's called living in Christ. You're going to draw on him by obeying what he tells you to do with the faith he gave you to do it. So when God is going to work through us, Jesus even said it. He said, the Father in Me, he does the works. Jesus never faced a leper expecting that he had to cleanse him. God was going to do it. All Jesus did was show up where the need was. And he believed that the Father in Him would do the works. Do you know God doesn't require any more of you than he did of Jesus? In the sense of. God didn't expect Jesus to do the work. He didn't expect you to do the work. Just as Jesus said, the Father in Me does the work. That's what we have to know. The Father in me, he's working through Me to fulfill what he said. Now, he will involve you, but he just uses your obedience that as you obey, then his ability can flow through your obedience. His supply can flow through your obedience. He needs our obedience. What's our obedience? Our movement to do what he says. When we move toward what he says, then his power fills that movement, his ability fills that movement. And then it's us, him working through us. As we move. And that's what Paul wrote in Hebrews when he said this. In him we live, in him we move. And in him we have our being. That is so central that we have to establish that in our lives. That's a central truth. Get hold of that. And that's what we've been talking about in these episodes in this series. The way Jesus lived and what his life produced is an example of how every person in Christ is to live. Because what his life produced him in us can produce still.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So let's not be okay with less. Everything we're okay with is what we'll have. So we have to decide, I'm not settling for something less than what God offers me and has authored for me. Now, when we see how Jesus lived and we see, then we see how a God filled man can live. Well, that's you. You're God filled, just like Jesus was God filled. And so we need to recognize that when we see Christ at work, we're seeing an example of what can be done through us.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Now, this morning, when we were preparing for these episodes and I was just meditating on some of these things, God began to speak to me about this phrase, the joy of being in Him. Now let's talk about that for a minute. Because in this life I've done it. I've been guilty of it myself in times past. And that is, you get so aware of where you've missed it. You get so aware of what you could have done better that if you're not careful, you can spend your whole so much of your spiritual life focusing on the negative of what I'm trying to do better, what I'm trying to change. I'm trying to, if I could say this, leave failure behind. But too many times we're struggling, trying to reach a place in God instead of realizing we're there, we're already in Him. We are already in Him. You have someone who maybe they've struggled with addictions. I'm talking about a Christian that struggled with addictions. If they would realize, wait a minute, I'm in Christ, in him is no addiction. And then you start thinking that way, living that way, talking that way, moving that way, you'll find that that addiction falls off. But if you're aware I'm trying to get rid of this bad habit, or I'm trying to get rid of this addiction, what are we doing? We're focusing on who we are in us. And we're trying to move into what he offers us. We have to realize by faith. We're already there. We're already in Him. So by faith, we act like we have arrived. Can I say it that way? We act like we are the healed. Why? He's already made us to be that way. We've got to quit in our thinking, struggling to become what he has already made us to be. Now every day we employ who we are in Christ. We become skillful with that. But how do we arrive there? We get there by faith. We say, you know what? I walk in love by faith. Right? I'm prosperous by faith. I am the healed by faith. Regardless of what my body says. We say we're already there. We agree with the Word. We act like it. Why? Because he's already in us. We're not trying to arrive in at Christ in us. That's who we are. Christ in us, the hope of glory.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So what happens? We spend our attention focusing on where we're trying to be, what we've not laid hold of yet, how we're trying to advance. And we leave out the joy of who we already are in Him. We become, if I could say this, critical toward ourselves. Because we're trying to achieve something that we can't achieve. Because he's already put us in it. He's already put us in Christ. We can't achieve being in Christ by something we do. It's something he did. He did it.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So we quit trying. We quit trying to do better spiritually. You know what I mean by that? That doesn't mean we're permissive towards anything that needs to change. That means we quit trying the way we have tried. We say, wait a minute. I'm in Christ. That's who I am by faith. I've already arrived there. And now I'm going to think like that. I'm going to talk like that. I'm going to live like that. I'm going to respond like that. Does that make sense to you? That's why we don't walk by what we feel. We don't walk by what we see. We walk by who we are in Him. We walk by faith based on what the Word says about us. If we're going to be mindful of where we missed it, where we could have done better. We are robbed of the awareness of who we already are in Him. Does that make sense to you? I mean, I'm just. This is what God began talking to me about. I've done the same thing. We forget what it means to be one with him when we're thinking about what we're trying to lay hold of. I'm trying to have faith, to be healed. I'm trying to be prosperous. No, that's who you are. He already made you to be that in Him. Now if you'll start rejoicing over that, you'll find yourself thinking in terms of I'm not trying to be this. This is who I am. And when you start acting in agreement with who he made you to be, your life will start lining up with that. Your body will start lining up with that. Your thoughts will start lining up with. Does that make sense to you? I'm not trying to be better. Jesus did not come to change our behavior. But because we're in him, our behavior changes. Our behavior is changed because we understand, wait a minute. I'm in him and that behavior is beneath me in Him. I'm done doing that. I'm not trying to achieve in him through my behavior, but because I'm in Him, my behavior must come in line with that. So the joy of saying I'm already in him. That means the struggle's over. That's what that means. Now I'm going to think like one. In Him. I'm going to approach everything. That habit, that habit has no more. No more hold on me because I'm in Him. That, that physical condition has no more hold on me because I'm in Him. And in Him I'm whole in Him, I'm pain free. In Him, I'm supplied. I'm not trying to make ends meet every month. In Him I'm supplied. You start talking like that by faith, you'll start thinking like that by faith. And when Lack shows up, you'll answer that by no, you don't. I'm in him and there's no lack in Him. There's no sickness in Him. Start talking about who you are in Him. Now I want to read to you. We've read it on previous episodes, but I want to read it to you. Let me find it here because it will help us to think right about this. I want to read to you second Colossians, chapter two. And this is verse nine. And I'm going to read out of the living Bible it says this. For in Christ there is all of God in a human body. That's you. You're in Christ. All of God in your human body, verse 10. So you have everything. When you have Christ, you have everything. What's that mean? You have healing. Why? Not because your body tells you you have healing, but because you're in Christ. And that tells you you're in healing, you're prosperous because you're in Christ, not because there came money into your account. It's not money that makes you rich. It's your covenant that makes you rich. You're in Christ. That's what makes you rich. You're not free from bad habits and addiction because of your behavior. You're free from bad habits and addiction because you're in Christ. In Christ, there is no bad habit. In Christ, there is no addiction.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Except a holy addiction like serving God and loving God.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So again, it says in Colossians, chapter 2, verse 9. For in Christ there is all of God in a human body. We've got to renew our minds to this. That in me. In me, I'm in Christ. And Christ in me means God in my body. Why would I ever try to live out of my mind and set God aside? Live out of him and set the mind aside. Right? For in Christ there is all of God in a human body. So you have everything. Everything. You have everything. You have to say that by faith. Even when this natural realm doesn't show you that you have everything, you have everything in Christ. And because of that, this natural realm must catch up to that. If you'll talk that, if you'll think in line with that, and if you'll act in line with that. Somebody asked this one preacher, what is faith? And in a nutshell, this preacher made this answer. And it's so good, he said, faith is just acting like the Word is true. Listen to that. Faith is acting like the Word is true. Now, that's what it says here. So you have everything when you have Christ. Now act like that. Act like that. Agree with the Word. That's what faith does. It agrees. I know I keep repeating myself, but we've got to establish this in us. We've got to make this our first response instead of worry, our first response instead of fear. Our first response. Instead of going to the natural or going to the flesh to try to put us over. We've got to go to the Christ in us and realize he puts us over. I'm not trying to be put over. He's already put me over.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
I'm not trying to get a breakthrough. I'm through. Praise the Lord. Now what the breakthrough is is getting past your own thinking. Yeah, but you're already through. You're not trying to get through. You're through. Now believe that by faith and act like that. Talk like that. And if you'll do that, you'll find, oh, I am through. Yeah, I'm through with that mess, right? So again, I can't read. I can't get past this. This is so good, right? For in Christ there is all of God in the human body. So you have everything. When you have Christ and you are filled. Look at that. You are filled with God through your union with Christ, you are filled. You are filled with healing. You are filled with supply. You are filled with wisdom. You are filled with righteousness. Now, because you are, if you'll talk that what will happen, that'll change your behavior. Many people are trying to change their behavior so that they can become filled. That's not how it works. You say, I am filled, therefore my behavior reflects that. So much easier now. The joy of that. That's what God started talking to me about today. The joy that it's already done. The joy that he is already in me. The joy that everything is already mine. I'm not trying to be this. I'm not trying to become this. I'm not trying to make myself act better. I am this. And therefore my acting shows it. Now, how do you get this implemented? You say it. You say it. You say it. Make it a lifestyle. Saying, I'm in Christ today. Christ is in me today. And because of that, no struggle in my life. Because Christ struggles with nothing. He struggles with nothing. Since he's in me, I struggle with nothing. And any struggle is of the devil. Any struggle is of the devil. And if we think wrong, we're going to end up in struggle. If you're struggling, it's not because you lack something. It's because you don't know something. And this is what you need to know that you are in Christ. You have everything you need at your disposal. Now, what's that? What's that mean? The end of fussing and fighting in your home? The end of fussing and fighting in your marriage, trying to win your way. It changes everything. If Christ wouldn't enter that opposition, I'm not entering it. If Christ wouldn't get into strife, I'm not getting into strife because that's beneath Christ. I am one with him. I'm one with him. And the Bible talks about not being unequally yoked. Remember, I don't have the reference in front of me, but it talks about. It compares us and calls us Christ. What fellowship has Christ with Belial? Talking about the devil, talking about the kingdom of darkness, it says, what fellowship has Christ with Belial? In that passage, you're called Christ. He's not talking about Jesus. He's talking about the body of Christ. You're in Christ. So he says, what fellowship has Christ with Belial? What fellowship have you with any work of darkness? None. None. I refuse to fellowship with darkness. You want to know why people worry? They're fellowshipping with the wrong flow. They're fellowshipping with the wrong kingdom. They have laid down their understanding that I'm in Christ. Or they don't know it. They don't realize it. Start talking about I'm in Christ and in Christ there is no fear, there is no worry. Therefore I will not permit it in my life because I'm in Christ. That's called obeying the Word. Remember what I said earlier? That to respond to who you are in Christ means to obey what the Word says. So obey. When it says you're in Christ, Christ is everything in you. Then you start talking that. And if we don't, we're not obeying the Word. I'm in Christ. I don't struggle. I don't struggle with addiction. I refuse. Why? Because Christ doesn't struggle. I'm done. I'm done. And that starts bombarding your mind. You bombard with your words.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
You have to out talk wrong thoughts and you have to give them right thoughts. And this is what God began to talk to me. The joy of being in him is not a struggle. It's a resting he in me. He does the works. What a joy. I'm not trying to get healed. I'm not trying to get my bills paid. I'm not trying to get free from fear. I'm not trying to get free from worry. I'm resting on Christ who already has freed me. You talk about making it easy. Amen. Jesus said. He said, come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Why? The rest is knowing who you are in him and reclining on that. Now, to rest in him does not mean to be inactive. What's that mean? You're talking, you're speaking. I'm in Him. And the thing is, he's not in you. So that you do nothing. You employ your understanding. You speak by faith who you are in Him. So where I started, this portion is. So much of the time we're aware of what we're not. And when we do that, we're struggling to become something we know would be pleasing to God. We don't even realize we're already made pleasing to him through being in Christ. Now let's live that way because you can be in Christ and not live as one in Christ. And that doesn't please God. But you're already in Christ, so go ahead and live in the way that would please Him.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
And that's where that's the disappointment of life is when we start looking at self and measuring what we're not instead of measuring and realizing who we already are made to be in Him. That is a joy of living.
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Audience
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
I don't know about you, but this stuff thrills me. So we're going to keep going this way and you don't want to miss upcoming episodes. And I know I repeat myself a lot in this, but that's how we establish these things in us, because it is it's so easy to establish the wrong flow if we're not careful. We have to on purpose establish right thinking. We invite you go to our website@jesusthehealer.org and we want you to download. We have all the scriptures called in Him, Scriptures that tell you these scriptures are who you are in Him. Meditate on them, feed on them, and you can download that for free. Just go there and we printed this out to show you that's what it's going to look at, look like when you print it out. So we're giving you homework. Feed on those. Amen. And as I said, you can go to our website@jesusthehealer.org and you can get get hold of that. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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Kenneth Copeland
To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit dufresneministries.org.
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Grant Dufresne
Jesus gave us the key to his success. He stayed with the plan that God gave him to fulfill. In this book by Nancy Dufresne, God the revealer of secrets. You will learn how to know God's perfect will for your life and how to accomplish that divine plan. Order this book now@DefrainMinistries.org.
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Kenneth Copeland
If you have received a healing or have any other testimony to share with us as a result of this broadcast, we would love to hear about it. Please call us, write us or contact us through our web site.
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Nancy Dufresne
This is Nancy Dufresne and I want to extend an invitation to you to become a partner with Dufresne Ministries today. God bless you.
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Kenneth Copeland
Partnership helps with crusades held nationwide and abroad, printing and publishing of books and other materials, operational costs, and TV and other media broadcasts. For more information and to sign up to become a partner, go to defrainministries.org.
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Nancy Dufresne
We'Re excited to announce a new worship album called in youn Glory by Grant Dufresne. For more ways to listen to in youn Glory, scan the QR code on your screen. Jesus thank you Lord.
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Kenneth Copeland
We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us at defrainministries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, submit a prayer request, or visit our online store. Thank you to the friends and partners of Dufresne Ministries for making this production possible.