← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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I receive it right now from the.
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Top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the healer. Come on in. We saved you a spot. And where is that spot? Right in front of your device. And so we want you to join along with us in this study that we're in. Get a notebook, get a device, something to take notes on, and get your Bible and follow along with us, because we're believing God for answers for your life. You know, whenever we hear the word and we're doers of the word, it sets our life on course. And so we're believing God for a broadcast today that helps your life fulfill what God has for you. Amen. And we have been in the middle of a series. We may be coming to the close of it, but we'll just see. We'll just start in today and see where we end up. But we've been on a series that I would call in Christ, we can do it. And so it gets its starting place from a sermon I heard Brother Copeland preach recently. He was again telling the testimony how in the 1970s, God spoke to him and said, I want you to sow $50,000 to. To Kenneth Hagin Ministries. Now, listen, we've studied this before, but it's true. In the seventies, $50,000 was a lot. I mean, it's a lot today. But can you imagine, you know, Brother Copeland was in a situation to where he still had debt of his own. And he heard God say, give this amount. And so, of course, brother Copeland agreed. He set something in place to fulfill that. And he started every day just saving the change. And he would put it in a box, and then after that box would fill up, he would send it into brother Hagin's ministry. After a period of time, he realized, I don't know how much I've sent in. And so he contacted Their ministry. And they said, well, you've given well over $50,000. So when brother Copeland agreed, it got fulfilled. But Brother Copeland says, I know that that money didn't all come through my hands. He said, because he was just sending in change. Can you imagine how much change it would take bucket lo to make $50,000? But he said, when I obeyed God, God made up the difference. And. But the part of this testimony that stood out so big to me when I heard Brother Copeland tell it was the skill of his answer to God. When God said, I want you to sow $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Brother Copeland made this statement. He said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. That was huge to me because it dawned on me through him making that statement that anything we try to do without Christ is going to be a failure. But anything that he's involved in is going to succeed. And so we have to develop the mindset. Anything God's called me to do, he's not called me to do it with my own ability. He intends to perform it through us. So how. How easy that causes us to know what the answer to give. Brother Copeland did not struggle hearing that amount of $50,000. I mean, there would there be a lot of us that might have struggled with that large number. But when you compare that number to your resources, you may struggle, but you compare it to, wait a minute, I'm in Christ, and he's going to bring it to pass. That makes all the difference. So we have to learn to run what God says to us through who we are in Christ. Don't just run it through our own calculations of, can I afford this? Can I do this? Do I know how to do this? God has called my husband and I over the years to do things we never knew how to do. But. But if we didn't know how to do it and God told us to do it, then that meant he was gonna send us someone that knew how to do it. What's that mean? There's a supply from heaven for everything he commands of our life to do. I'm reminded that one of my favorite testimonies is of a little single mama. Years ago, she was attending her local church, and they had a guest speaker in a particular service. And in that service, the pastor, after the guest minister had preached, he received an offering for the guest minister. And when the pastor got up to receive the offering, the spirit of God spoke to this little gal. She's a single mom, has a child, but she has no Husband, she's a single income home. And God spoke to her. I want you to give $1,000 in the offering for that guest minister. Well, she said, well, I don't have $1,000 right now. So she filled out on the envelope a pledge and she said, within 30 days I will send in $1,000 to this minister. Well, she had faith enough to say yes even when her resources did not tell her yes. You know, faith can answer differently than resources answer. Right. We don't take counsel from resources that are not enough. You know, I'm going to finish that story, but I'm going to get on another one here. We're going to open a tab on several different stories. Think about it. My son was preaching recently about, he was at our Holy Ghost meetings. We have a conference every year. And my son Stephen was preaching and he was talking about whenever there was the multitude to be fed. And he said, there's a little boy who offered, you know, what was it? Loaves and fish, two fish, five loaves of bread, something like that, when they needed to feed the multitude. And my son Stephen says, where were the women in the group? You know, the women got food in their purse, you know, women always carrying snacks for kids, you know, he said, where were the women in that group? Why weren't they all, why weren't they, you know, putting it out there? And you know, I just know this when I think about my son, sometimes they hoarded food. They'd go put, you know, their snacks, their favorite snacks and hide it. And he said, what were these women doing hiding their favorite snacks? But I said to him, I said, well, evidently it was only the little boy who thought his was enough because you can have something and you can dismiss what you have as not enough. And the little boy had no hesitation to offer to a multitude of 5,000 men, not counting the women and the children. So we don't know the final number, but we know it was large. And he must have heard something of to even being offering his food for the multitude. He didn't look at what he had and said, this won't do. Listen, don't look at your resources and decide this won't do. Because when God puts a command on our life, he tells us to do something, he never intends to leave himself out of it. Lets not us leave him out of it by calculating and trying to measure what we can do. That little boy in that crowd thought that what he carried was enough and it was enough whenever it was blessed by God. Remember what Jesus did. It says he took the loaves and the fish. It says he looked up to heaven. Now remember that. He looked up to heaven. Now see, that's important. When what is in your hands is not enough, it matters where you look. If you keep looking at what's enough, you'll start talking about what? Excuse me, what's not enough. Then you'll start talking about, this is not enough. It says Jesus held it in his hands, but he looked a different direction. He did not look at what was not enough. So Jesus showed us how to have abundance. Take what you have that is not enough and look a different direction. It says he looked up to heaven and he blessed it. When the blessing comes on it, it becomes something different than it was before. The blessing was on it. And what was not enough became enough. And you know, it did not multiply in Jesus hands because he could not have held enough food to feed all the people, right? But it multiplied in the distribution. This is what is distribution. It's movement that you're taking what you have and you're putting it in a different place. Everything that we have fulfilled of the plan of God, we just took what we had and just started using it. And what was not enough, somehow you go, I don't know how it made it this far, but it made it. I love the story of. There was a missionary who he. At Christmas time, he went to a third World country and he brought boxes full of items, toys for the kids. And he got there and so many more showed up than they were expecting. And he had these huge cardboard boxes behind him and he had a table in front of him. And the children would come up to the table one at a time and he would take something out of the box. He realized he's on his last box. There's not much in that box. And there's a big long line of children still left in front of him. And I love what he did. He refused to look behind him at the box. He just reached back, praise God, and he just wouldn't look. And he just kept pulling and he just kept pulling. What was not enough became more than enough. And they had more than enough to meet every one of the children standing in that line. What was it? It matters where you're looking. What's that talk about your attention? What is your attention on? Because when for faith to thrive, our attention has to be on the right thing. Your resources are never the right thing to be looking at because God never intended for you to fund what he commanded. He commands something because he intends to fund it right. That's huge. That's the difference between whether people move ahead or they stay where they're at. If people just want it all within their hands, calculate it before they move forward. They will never have enough to move forward with. You have to just move with what you have, and God will meet the movement of faith. Because faith is a movement in the going is when the supply manifests. People want the supply to manifest while they're stationary, before they even make movement. And that's not how the system of heaven works. Faith is a movement. And when you're moving, supply meets movement. Amen. Now, listen, I'm not just talking about finances. I'm not just talking about resources here. It's that way in everything. When it comes to the flow of God, all you have to know is what did God tell me? When I know what God said to me, he's obligated to fund that. He's obligated to supply that. He's obligated to meet that. So when Brother Copeland heard God say to him, I want you to sow $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin Ministries, God never intended for Brother Copeland to come up with that money. But Brother Copeland's skill. Think of that. He understood that in Christ, I have it. What's that mean? It's going to be the provision of heaven. It's going to be the Godhead involved in this, not just Kenneth Copeland involved. This is the Godhead getting involved. When God gives us a command that's larger than our resources, which every command from him is, it's because he's wanting to move us into that level of supply. We never move in, we never move further just by staying where we're at. So we have to make sure that when God commands us to do something we did, like Jesus did, we take what we have. But we don't look at what we have. We look to Him. When you say, in Christ, I have it, then that means that's how you're looking to Him. Amen. We have to give ourselves that habit. If God commands me to do something, I can do it in him. What's that mean? He's going to work through me. He is going to supply through my hands. He's not asking me to author the supply. He's not asking me to come up with a plan. He's asking me to obey what I. What he tells me to do. Now, this is so critical. We've talked about it on previous episodes, but how do we. How do we respond to who we are in Christ? We obey what he tells us to do. That's how we respond when we say, I'm in Christ. Okay, we're in Christ. How do we put him to work for us? What's he telling you to do? Do it. If you will do what he tells you to do, he will supply what you never could have supplied. Amen. So we see that that happened with that multitude, that this little boy looked at what he had and thought, that's more than enough. You want it? Right. Why? Because he knew it was more than enough for him, so it must be more than enough for the next person. I love what the Amplified Classic translation, when it talks about that passage that the disciples distributed, notice the first thing that Jesus had the disciples do. He said, have the people sit down in companies of 50. What was that organization? Order. Multiplication can flow unhindered when there's order set up in your system. If people are chaotic and they don't have systems in place, God can't multiply chaos. But if we will set our lives in order, set our finances in order, get everything in a system, in a system that facilitates God, not hinders God. Now there's a difference because you can have an order that caters to God or an order that hinders God. But notice Jesus said, set everyone down in companies of 50. That was order. Why? Because God will multiply order. And so it talks about that. They. When the disciples distributed it, the Amplified says that the people took as much as they wanted. Look at this. It wasn't just the disciples saying, here, you can have this much. Here, this much is for you. They handed them an open basket and said, take as much as you want. And they didn't. There was not instructions. Now listen, there's a lot of people here. Cut back, save a little bit. We have to realize God does not supply us so that we can limit how much we take. It says they took as much as they wanted. Now, what's that mean? You can't look at someone else who has maybe more than you and say they shouldn't have that. No, you can have it if you'll take it. We cannot get upset with somebody who had faith to take more than us. That's right. That's right. When somebody takes more than us, you know what that does? That's an example of me. Wait a minute. I need to take more. Not taking from people, but taking from the hand of generosity, taking from the supply of heaven. Amen. So it matters our mindset, it matters our approach. Now let me go back to the Little gal, remember God told her to give the offering of $1,000. When she left the service that night, she went home and she said to God, she said, God, you told me to give $1,000. I love this. She says, what do I need to do? Meaning I realize I have a part. God has a part, but man has a part. If you are. If someone is looking for a job and they say, I'm in faith for a job, then since you're in faith, you better move toward an employer. That means go knocking on doors. That means get up out of your house, go look, go put in applications. Why? Because faith is a movement. Faith does not sit back in a chair and think that it has no part to play and just wanting God to drop something on it. The power of God meets the movement of faith. Since we have faith, we move. Amen. And so that's exactly what this little gal did. She said, God, what? What would you give me so that I can sow to him? And what was this? She was using her faith for seed. You know, we have to realize our faith is more than just for our need. It's also for our seed that we believe God of how much we want to give. What about this? How much do you want to give to your local church this year? Use your faith for that. Don't just say, well, whatever comes in, I'll be able to give. No, use your faith for it. We don't do that with our own finances. Why would we do that with the church finances? With our own finances, we don't say, well, just whatever comes in. No, we know what we need to come in. Right? We know what we're believing God for. To come in to fund our household. Even so, the household of God needs funding, and so we need to be interested that it's funded. What's that mean? I'm interested to bring my faith to it. So think about what do I want to give to my local church this year? What do I want to give to other ministers or other people that are a blessing to my life or that God may want me to be ready to give? I need to believe God for money to sow. Amen. Why? He will give. He will give seed to the sower and bread to the eater. You have to recognize, though, what's seed and what's bread. Don't eat the bread. I mean, don't eat your seed. Eat your bread. What you're to sow, don't call it yours when you realize that everything that comes to you is not for you. Then you'll be. Then you'll be a safe channel. I know that when God gives me. I've had some large sums, chunks. One time chunks come into my hand and I look at that and go, oh, that's wonderful. And God will say, that's not for you. He was just using my hands to get it to someone else. So you have to be willing to hear, Father, when something comes into your hands, is this for me or is this for someone else? Listen, God will not leave you out. He will not take everything that comes into your hands and say, that's never for you. No. God wants you fully supplied. You ever seen a garden hose? A garden hose is never the all a garden hose is to fit on the faucet and be a conduit for the water to be transferred somewhere else. Right?
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The water is never intended for the hose, but the hose plays a part in it. But what about a hose? You ever picked up a hose and it's always wet? What is it? It always stays wet with what it conducts. So know this. God is not going to take everything away from you. He wants you to partake, but he also wants you to be willing to be one that can water the life of someone else with the provision that comes through your hands. When you learn that everything that comes to you is not always, then you're safe to be a conductor of provision. But this little gal understood that. And as a single mom, $1,000 would have been important to her life. It would have been a big seed to sow. And so she said to God, she said, how do I fulfill this pledge? What was she doing? She was looking for a divine idea. And God reminded her how at Christmas time she had for all of her family and different friends of hers, different girlfriends that she had that she had gotten hold of some ornamental pieces and she had put together some hair barrettes and just really made them very decorative. And God reminded her about that. So she contacted a friend of hers that owned a boutique in town, and she said to her, she said, if I made some decorative hair barrettes, could I come to your store and set up a table on Saturday and sell them? And. And her friend said, sure, I'd love for you to. So she did that. That week she made some, and the next Saturday she had that. She was at that table, she set up that table and different customers would come into the store and walk by the table. And it wasn't too terribly long that a woman walked up and she had about 30 different designs that she had made. Laying out on the table. And this woman didn't just casually walk by, but she took the first one and looked at it, looked at the underside, inspected it closely, put it down, and she did that with each and every barrette. Now, that took some time, but she was very attentive to how these things were made. And then after she got through all of them, she turned to the little girl behind this little mama behind the desk and said, did you make these? She said, yes, ma', am, I did. She said, I'll take 50,000 of them. She was a buyer for a major department store. So with that one divine idea, she not only had $1,000 to meet her commitment of the seed she was going to sow, now she had bread for the eating. She had a business that came out of that. What was that? Because she had faith enough to say yes. When it looked like she didn't have the resource to give that amount, what did she do? She employed Christ. I want you to know this is the mastery of Brother Copeland's answer to God. When he said, I want you to give $50,000, he said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. In Christ you can fulfill what you're born for. Don't try to fulfill it apart from him. In Christ, meaning this. I'm relying on what he tells me. I'm relying on the strength he gives. I'm relying on the ability he gives. I'm relying on the resources that come from him. Listen, if God is limited to our resources, he got issues. But he's not limited to our resources. He's got his own. And he knows how to get those resources into your hands. And he knows how to bring the right people. He knows how to get the equipment. And know this, that everything you already need is on the earth. Now, we know this. God needs someone to obey him. God blesses us through the hands of men. If men will not obey God, I guarantee you, you still don't have to do without, because heaven will move to give. Make sure you have supply. Heaven would rain something down out of heaven if it needed to, to meet your supply. And you say, well, you have scripture for that. What do you think? Manna was right. Right? It was angel food sent down from heaven. No one else had ever partaken of it before but these, this multitude of Hebrews out of Egypt. They needed provision, and there was not enough for them by any one man, by any one avenue. And goes to. I got an avenue. And so every day they went out and gathered their supply. Why? Because heaven will never leave you without your need met. Amen. He'll use whatever he has to use. He'll use whoever he has to use. But just know this, you're not limited to you in Christ. You have more than enough to fulfill everything he's commanded of your life. And I so appreciate that testimony of Brother Copeland. It showed us so skillfully and masterfully that if we will just have faith enough to say yes, God will fill our yes with his ability and he will bring it to pass. Jesus said when he was out moving among the people, healing the people, raising the dead, cleansing the leper, he said, my Father in me, he does the works. Jesus always pointed back, it's him in me. It's him in me. It's him in me. Remember that. That's how you're going to fulfill what you're born for. It's him in me. He's the one that's going to manifest and work through me. And I will not say no because I'm looking at me. I say yes because I'm looking at Him. Amen. In Christ we have it, and in Christ we can do it. Amen. Well, we're going to continue along this line next time, and you don't want to miss upcoming episodes. And until then, remember this. Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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