← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now. I receive it right now. From the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad you're with us today for Jesus the healer. And we invite you to take notes on what God would say to you today. Listen. The Word is always speaking. It's up to us to listen. And we have to discern our answer when we hear it. That means we have to recognize. Wait a minute. That's an answer to something that I've been needing to know. And so when God gives you an answer, we want you to recognize it, write it down so that you don't let go of it. You know, I have thousands of pages of things that I take notes on or things that God has said to me because it matters to me that I don't lo. And so we invite you expect to hear from God today. Amen. Because what he says makes all the difference in life when we believe it and we implement it and become doers of it. You know, hearing is the beginning place, but doing is what God wants for us. Why? Because the Word says that the doer is blessed. That's us. That's you. We choose to be a doer. And God is enabling us to see more clearly what doing. If I could say this cooperates with him the best in His Word. Amen. So we've been on a series, and I would have to call it In Christ. I can do it. And so we're just talking about who we are in Christ and what that means. And before you decide, you know, I don't know if I'm that interested in that topic. Can I say this? That who we are in Christ is central to everything else working right. We have to establish this wonderful truth of what that means, that we're in Christ because He's in us and the privilege of belonging to Him. You know, when you think about it, we are one with Christ. We belong to The Father, he belongs to us. And listen to this. It was all his idea. It was all his plan. And to think that God chose that we be one with Him. It's amazing. The natural mind cannot conceive really the largeness of all that holds for us. But thank God, the Holy Spirit is revealing to us His Word and what that means to us. To be one with the Father, one with Jesus. Amen. And so. So listen. God longed for fellowship, and we were the answer to that fellowship. God sowed a seed, his Son, and we are the harvest on that seed. Now think about it. That God rejoices over his harvest. That's us. Because it is an answer to such a great seed that he sowed. So to be in Christ means everything. And not only to know that we're in him, but he's in us. That changes the way everything of this life is to be conducted. Amen. We've been using in this series a testimony that Brother Copeland gave in a service. And I'm focusing on the skill of the answer that Brother Copeland gave God in this testimony, God spoke to him. And this was back in the 1970s, and brother Hagin was a minister that helped feed Brother Copeland's life. And Brother Copeland fed on his teaching and was in his services over the years among other ministers. But God spoke to Brother Copeland in the 70s and said, I want you to sow $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin Ministries. Now, you can think of that. That's a big word. I mean, especially when you know, you don't have that in your own account. And Brother Copeland at that time was not debt free. He was believing. He was learning about prosperity and believing God for debts to be paid off. And you hear that amount, that's a large amount today. But, you know, it was in the 70s, and if you're not careful, God is so good to us to help us grow and help us advance before he says certain things to us, if he says certain things to us when we are spiritually young and can't hear certain things, we won't recognize that God's talking to us. And sometimes we'll not only not recognize it, we'll resist it as the devil, you know, and if we're not careful, we'll resist some large things that God would say to us because it looks too impossible. So we think, well, that can't be God. Well, Brother Copeland had grown to such a place that when he heard God say, I want you to sow $50,000, that he had the faith enough to agree with that, you know, God has something for us to do. But until we agree with it, we cannot be blessed by the word that God has for us unless we agree. So Brother Hagin's. Excuse me, Brother Copeland's agreement. Listen to the answer he gave when God gave him that command. He said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. Now, when he made that statement, it dawned on me. In Christ, everything is possible. What's that mean? Because we're depending on Him. We're relying on Him. It's him performing and fulfilling God's word through us. That the power of God coming into manifestation through us. But the power doesn't originate with us. It all originates with Him. And so in that statement, I saw so clearly how everything is to be done in Christ. What's that mean? Depending on him, responding to him, relying on Him. So when he said, in Christ I have it and in Christ I can give it, it showed me outside of Christ, he recognized he didn't have that amount. He recognized outside of Christ, he couldn't give that amount. But in Christ he could do things that he couldn't do in Himself alone. And so that just painted a whole picture for me. Because I recognize the plan of God for your life can only be fulfilled as one in Christ, depending on him, expecting his power, expecting his grace, which is what's his grace. His ability at work in you to fulfill it. That where failure comes in is when we leave him out. So our in Christ begins with we have to renew our minds. That we don't ever take on an endeavor without him being the central theme of that. That he's the one we rely on, we depend on. And we don't go to the mental arena and try to figure it out and calculate it out. Because let me tell you something you can't figure out figure out in Christ. You can't calculate in Christ. So don't go to the mental arena to try to grab hold of this. Your heart just has to agree with it and believe it. You know, your heart can believe things your mind can't understand. Your heart can agree with God even if the mind doesn't understand it. You know, whenever I have flown commercially or on a private airplane, one of the things I don't understand, I don't understand the law of lift. I know there is the law of lift, and I guess I'm not interested enough to learn it. That's really what it boils down to. But I believe that somebody in that cockpit is more interested in me than that law and when I get on the plane, I'm interested that that law work, but I'm not interested in the technicalities of all the elements and components associated with flying. I'm not interested. I don't want to learn all of that. But I will get on an airplane when I don't understand how it works. I believe it works. That's why I'm on it. It's the same thing with some spiritual things. Sometimes the mind cannot process because they're so. The wisdom of God is so far, it is so deep, it is so wide that human reasoning cannot capture it all. Human reasoning cannot receive everything of the dep. Of God's wisdom. But we can believe it. So don't let something be cheated out of your life just because you can't understand it. You don't have to understand it before you can agree with God and before you can move into it. The Word talks about ABRAHAM In Hebrews 11 it talks about him. And I love the way the amplified classic reads. It talks about how Abraham obeyed God, although he did not. He didn't know where he was going as God was leading him. He just got up every day. God didn't hand him a map, he just got up every day. And God led him to the land that he had for him. But it says that Abraham did not trouble his mind about where he was to go. Listen to that. Abraham didn't trouble his mind. The devil's not even mentioned the devil wants to trouble your mind. But if you learn how not to let the devil trouble your mind, learn how not to let you trouble your mind. How do you trouble your mind going to that mental arena and relying on that mental arena more than you rely on the believing in your heart. And so you do not. We have to realize God gave us our mind, but not to lead us. Our spirit is to lead us. Amen. The Holy Spirit, through our Spirit, will lead us. And so when we flip to that mental arena, we're going to cheat our life to walk in Christ. You cannot flip to that mental arena first, you cannot look there for who Christ is to you and who Christ is in you. But you can believe all he is to you, even though if you don't understand how he can bring all that to pass. Listen, the mind has limits. The mind has boundaries. The mind can only deal with what's possible. But your spirit can move into the impossible. Why? There are no limits on the spirit of man that is filled with God. And so being in Christ moves us into the realm of the impossible. Amen and whenever we choose to agree with God, we just left this realm. We touched into his realm, we touched into his flow, which is the spirit realm, where nothing is impossible. This realm is full of impossibilities. But God's realm, everything is possible. Remember when the angel appeared to Mary, Gabriel appeared and said, with God, all things are possible. What's that mean? In his realm, everything's easy. You agree with his realm, and you just agreed with the easy flow. When something is hard, it's because we're trying to get this realm to. We're trying to live out of a lower realm. So we're invited to the realm where everything is possible. That's in Christ. Amen. And this is what I so love about Brother Copeland's answer. When God spoke to him and said, I want you to give that $50,000 to Brother Hagin's ministry. What he did, he did what he could do. Just naturally. He didn't have the money. But what he did have is that at the end of every day, if he broke a $1 bill and he had change left over, he would put that in a location and just save that change. You know what that kind of sounds like to me? A little boy with two fishes and five loaves. Doesn't that sound like that? Right? And the little boy offered to the disciples. Now, how do we know that the little boy offered it? Because they knew the little boy had it. How would they know it? They're not going around and giving the big shakedown to the kids in the group. You know, the little boy had to have offered and told them what he had. Why? Because have you ever noticed about little kids, they always want to be where the adults are. And if you're having a conversation, they want to get in on it and they want to stand around. I would dare to say that the little boy heard Jesus tell the disciples, you feed them. You feed this multitude. Remember, the little boy said, I got lunch. I got two fish, five loaves. You know, what is this? He just had. He had a little bit. He did not stop to figure out, is this enough? What's this mean? He just responded out of his heart. And he didn't take it up to the mental arena because he didn't try to. He didn't reason and say, hmm, this is only enough for my lunch. He didn't do that. He thought that what he had was enough. If it was enough for him, wasn't enough for you. You know, that's his. That's his. His mindset. Well, even so in Christ, you have more than enough. But if you're going to go to the mental arena, it's always going to throw you back to your ability. The faith arena puts you in the realm of God's ability. That's in Christ. So what? To walk in Christ, Stay out of the mental arena. That's what it means. If you're practiced going to the mental arena first, then you're going to struggle to experience all of who you are in Christ. Every time we respond out of the mental arena, our spirit loses proficiency. But every time we respond out of our spirit, that mental arena loses proficiency. We have to practice turning toward our spirit first. Why? That's the faith realm. The faith realm is the spirit realm. Your spirit is equipped to walk in the faith realm. But the mind is equipped to draw you out of the faith realm. And why is it? It's not because your mind is the enemy, but because it's the mind that the devil attacks. It's the mind that the devil goes after. Why? He wants to hinder your thinking. He knows that if he can draw you in the mental arena, he's just drawing you out of the faith arena. Why? There's no faith in your mind. I said there is no faith in your mind. Your spirit is the reservoir. It's the place where your faith resides. That's why we turn toward our spirit first. What's God saying about this? What do I have in my spirit about this? If we go to the mental arena first, we have just left the faith arena. Your mind is not the source of your faith. But your mind can be renewed to agree with the faith that's in your heart instead of argue with the faith that's in your heart. When the mind starts arguing, it's because you're trying to believe God with the mind. You can't believe God with the mind. How do you know if you're trying to believe God with the mind? You feel overwhelmed. In the face of the need, you feel overwhelmed. That's a sign you're trying to believe God mentally because your heart is not overwhelmed. Your heart. Listen. We are a spirit being. That's the feature of man. That's created in the image of God. God is a spirit. And he said, let us make man in our image. He was talking about the spirit of man. Then that is the feature of us that is most like God. It's made in his image and it can move with God. That's why the devil seeks to draw us in the mental arena. To get us out of the Place of God's likeness. Right, right, right. He wants us just walking as a mere human. If you've got Christ in you, you are no mere human. You are a God man. You're a God woman, filled with all that is possible. And so the devil wants to draw you to that mental arena because then everything looks impossible. But if you'll stay in the faith arena, you know all things are possible. Not because of me, but because of who's in my spirit. So our job is to renew our minds with the word of God so that our minds quit arguing and shutting down the faith that's in our spirit. So you have faith in your spirit, but if the mind is not renewed, your mind will shut down your spirit and hold your spirit hostage. Now here, the Bible tells us that the flesh of man is at enmity with God. What's that mean? The flesh never wants to do what God wants to do. The flesh wants its own way. So that's why we have to present our bodies to God. Because we have to make sure that. And when we say we present our bodies to God, talking about from our spirit, the we, the us, is our spirit, man, not our body. You are a spirit. You have a soul which is comprised of the mind, the will and the emotions. And you live in a body. Now, your body is simply the housing for your spirit. But the spirit is the life in the house. Look at your own home where you live in. Maybe you live in an apartment. Maybe you live in a house of your own. Have you ever gotten up and said, house today? Can I do the impossible? You never ask your house for permission, do you? Why would you ask your body for permission? Your body is nothing but the house of your spirit. But it's the life in that house that makes you. That makes that house even a home. Where your family lives, where your life experiences happen. Or it comes from the life of the lives of the people in that home. It's not the actual structure itself that gives the life. Even so, your body is simply a housing for your own spirit. The life is in the spirit of man. Don't let the body push you around. It will cheat you. Not only that. If people follow the lead, they let their body take the lead. Their body will ruin their life. Their body will, because it wants to do wrong. If people let their body push them around, their body will ruin their life. What about this addictions? Bondages? The body gets a habit for certain things. And the devil wants you to implement wrong habits. Why? Because then the devil will energize Them. But if you remove that bad habit, he's got nothing to energize. Now, we need to have habits. But right habits, good habits. If we implement wrong habits on the physical side, let's say this. Whether it's drinking, alcohol, taking drugs, smoking, these things that break down the body, the devil will energize you. If you put that habit in place, he'll energize that. And if that gets energized by the enemy and we don't remove that habit, then our bodies will take the lead. And we'll end up going places, doing things that in our heart we don't want to do. But our body takes the lead. It'll lead us into ruin. What's that mean? Paul said, I keep under my body. What's he mean? I keep it under the dominion of my spirit. I don't let my body take the lead. When you want to. When you want to live as one in Christ, your body cannot take the lead. Amen. You keep it under. Under the dominion of your spirit. And you can do it. I said you can do it. Why? Because you have Christ in you. You have the ability of the Godhead in you. And it is all that needs to happen is Romans, chapter 12, verse 1, where the word says, present your bodies unto God. If you'll present it to God to do the right thing, he'll empower you to walk that way. All he's asking you to do is present it to him. And then when you present it to him, he'll empower you to keep that body under so it doesn't boss you around. Your spirit is to be master, your mind is to be a servant, and your body is to be your slave. Meaning you tell it what to do. And if you don't keep those things in proper order, you'll be cheated out of the in Christ life. So what do we do? We present it to God. We present this body to God. You say, I don't know how to present it to God. Well, we. Before we were saved, we knew how to present our bodies to sin, didn't we? We're not presenting our bodies to sin anymore. We're not going to permit our body to do something wrong, take us to a wrong place. But we present it to God. And when we do, he empowers us by his spirit to live in line with what we just committed to God. Amen. So know this. The Word says that our flesh is at enmity with God. So you have the flesh here on this side, you have the spirit. Of man on this side. And they're not. They'll never meet in the sense of being on the same team. But what is it? The mind is in the middle. And whichever one the mind sides with, it's two against three. Excuse me. Two against one. So over here is the flesh of man. The mind is the variable. Whatever we do with our mind, if we renew our mind, our mind will sight in with our spirit. Now we're two against one. And our spirit will dominate us. If we do not renew our mind, our mind will sigh in with our flesh, and our flesh will dominate us. So good to walk in Christ. To walk as one in Christ, you have to keep that mind. You have to renew it. And you have to not let your mind lead you. Your spirit leads you. Amen. Because you're. That's the in Christ. That's the in Christ being. We did not get saved so that we could struggle to be in Christ. Once we're born again, we're in Him. Amen. We're in Him. Now. We don't have to try to become that. We do have to remind ourselves and learn that we are that. So that we automatically, when the crisis and difficulties of life show up, we automatically say this. In Christ, I can do this. In Christ, I can overcome this. Why? What are you doing? You're saying I'm employing his ability. I'm depending on him to put me over. Do you see the skill of Brother Copeland's answer? When God said, Give $50,000, and he said, in Christ, I have it. Can you imagine what the mind would have done if you'd have gone to the mind first, checking out the finances, checking out your. You know, the balance in your checkbook to decide how you're going to answer God. You check the natural arena, and your answer will always be no. But you check the Christ in you, and the answer is always yes. Amen. Yes to God. Right? So we learn from the skill of that answer that Brother Copeland gave. That's why I so love that testimony. Because when he said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it, he knew if I go to that mental arena, I won't ever have what God's offering me. When God said to Brother Copeland, I want you to give $50,000, God was offering him $50,000. You understand that? He was offering it to him, not for him, but through him. Everything that comes to you is not for you. But learn that not only does God have something for you, he also has much through you that he wants to do. For someone else through you, if you will say yes, there will come more to you and more through you than you could ever acquire on your own. Amen. Well, we're learning in Christ. We can. Amen. So let's get out of that mental arena and let's go to the Christ arena. Let's turn toward our spirit. Let's renew our minds. Amen. Well, we have to establish these truths in us. How do we establish these truths of who we are in Christ? Well, we're offering you some help here with this. And on our website@jesusthehealer.org you can go there and you can download for free. We have these. Well, this is what it looks like in Him Scriptures. They're all typed up. They're compiled for you. You can go to these and you can meditate on them, feed on them, build it in your spirit, renew your mind who you are in Christ. Amen. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the Healer. God bless you.
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In this book, responding to the Holy Spirit, Nancy Dufresne instructs us how to properly respond to to God and the moving of His Spirit. Order this book now@dufresneministries.org this is Nancy Dufresne inviting you to join us for our annual ladies conference right here in Murrieta, California at World Harvest Church. The dates are September 9th through the 11th, Tuesday through Thursday. To register for your attendance, go to Defrain.
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