← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now. I receive it right now. From the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad you're joining us today for Jesus the Healer. We're in the middle of a series that we have just enjoyed so much, bringing it to you. And. And we're talking about Christ. In Christ, we can do it. And so we're just spending some time teaching that direction because it's such a central theme to the life of every believer. We have to get this established in us because it's such an important truth. At the top of every episode, I've been relaying a testimony that. That Brother Copeland gave, that he was talking about the time in the 1970s, how God spoke to him at a time when he was just beginning in ministry. He was still personally had his own personal debt. He had a lot of debt. And God spoke to him and said, I want you to sow an offering of $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin Ministries. Now, you can imagine that's. That's a large amount. But Brother Copeland had the skill that in his answer, he said this. In Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. Now think of that. He recognized in his own resources he didn't have it. But when God commanded it of him, God was offering him that supply. And he had enough supplements spiritual sense to agree with God. And over time, he was able to repeatedly send offerings to Brother Hagin, and that pledge was fulfilled. But it dawned on me when Brother Copeland made that statement that I saw just in a moment how in Christ we have things available to us that are never available to us outside of Christ, that if we will approach everything that God commands of us as in Christ, I can do this. That means that the plan of God that he has for your life can only be fulfilled one way. In Christ. Well, what does that mean? In Christ? It means drawing on his ability, letting him manifest, letting him Perform it through you. And so when God commands something of us, he never intends for us to fulfill that command apart from Him. He intends to fill every action of faith with Himself. And so we're learning. What does that look like? What does that mean to do that? I want to read to us. Let's read. Go to Ephesians. We started in the previous episode on this. And this is Ephesians chapter 1 and verse 16. This is a prayer that Paul prayed for all believers. And I would remind you, go back to through all the prayers that are recorded in the Epistles, that's the book of Acts and beyond, and note those prayers and learn to pray those for other believers, for your family, even for yourself. And this is a prayer that Paul prayed, and it's a spirit Inspired prayer. Ephesians 1:16. Paul writes this. I cease not to give thanks for you making mention of you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and the Spirit of revelation and the knowledge of Him. What's he saying? He's saying, I pray that you would receive from heaven wisdom and revelation so that you would know who you are in Christ. Now notice this. This isn't something you can just study out. It has to be revealed to you by heaven. The Holy Ghost has to reveal this. When you see someone struggling in their spiritual life, this is what to pray for them. When they see what belongs to them in Christ and who Christ is to them and through them, then that that means the end of struggle. But we struggle because we don't realize all that's available to us in Christ. And many times we try in our own ability, in our own resources to carry out what God said. And so Paul was saying, I pray for you that you would understand that all that God's put in your heart is carried out because of who you are in Christ. So he says in verse 18, he says that the eyes of your understanding or the eyes of your spirit being enlightened, that you may know what is the hope of his calling, what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us, Ward, who believe. So what do all those phrases mean? Essentially, overall, it means this. He said, I pray that you would know who you are in Christ, what you have because you're in Christ, and what you can do, the power that. That you can experience, the power that you can receive, the power that can flow through you because you're in Christ. All of this is because we're in Christ. Now, doesn't that make this in Christ reality and revelation a central theme of our life? This is what Paul prayed, that if we would live as one in Christ, think as someone who's in Christ, speak as someone who's in Christ, respond to someone who's in Christ, how that elevates the life, it brings it into God's flow. You start flowing with what God is through you and in you and what he wants to be to us. But many times we're so used to just conducting life based on our own ability and leaving his ability untapped. So we're learning in this series that to draw on who we are in Christ. And this is the skill that Brother Copeland demonstrated when God commanded of him, give that $50,000 he recognized in myself, I can't do that. But God wasn't asking him to do it in himself. He only commanded him that because God intended to do it through Brother Copeland. Now, what is our role? Since it's God doing the work, what is our role? Our role, number one, is to believe. Our role is to obey. That's how we respond to who we are in Christ, by obeying what he commands us to do. Now, anytime God would tell my husband and I, he'd give us a project, maybe a building to start building. We never had all the resources. But what we did, we made movement. We went as far as we could go in the natural. When we've gone as far as we could go in the natural, then the supernatural would kick in. And this is what many people want. They want the supernatural to kick in. And they haven't done all they can in the natural. They haven't made any movement. But faith is a movement, and faith makes movement. And when we start making movement, the power of God will meet that movement. The supply of God will meet that movement. So what has God called you to do? What has he told you to do? Has he told you that there's a business that he has for you to start? And. And people will sit back and say, well, I'm waiting for the money to show up. Make movement. When you make movement, then the power of God, the supply of God, the help of God, will meet that movement. I so love something that Smith Wigglesworth said. Now, he was an English preacher who was on the forefront in the early 1900s, and there were over 20 documented cases of people being raised from the dead under his ministry. So this was a man who understood miracle power. He understood moving with God, and he made this statement because Brother Hagin, who was our spiritual father for decades before he went home to be with the Lord, Brother Hagin said the gift of faith was more prominently operating through Smith Wigglesworth than any other person he had heard of or read after. Now, what's he talking about, the gift of faith? Well, every single believer has the measure of faith. When you got born again, God took of the measure of his own faith and put it in you. Now you say, well, how come it doesn't look like I have the same measure of faith that someone else would have? Well, it's because of what we do with that faith, how we treat that faith, if we develop it or if we ignore it, do we employ it or do we just set it aside? What we do with the faith determines the strength and the development of that faith. But every single one who's born again, you have the measure of the God kind of faith on the inside of you. Now, Smith Wigglesworth would make this statement because when he would minister to someone, he was talking about one in particular case when he was ministering to someone who had just died, God spoke to him about praying for him to be raised from the dead. Now, you have to have the leading of the Spirit on these things. You can't just decide that I'm randomly going to go do these things because it takes God's involvement. And Smith Wigglesworth made this statement. He said, when I had used and spent all the faith I had, what did he mean by that? Well, every, like I said, every believer has a measure of the God kind of faith. And Smith Wigglesworth said, whenever I used all of my faith and I came to the end of my faith, the answer was, no, I don't. This cannot be done. But he said, but when I used all my faith, he said, then another faith came. What is this? The gift of faith? It's God's. It's the faith that it's a gift of the Spirit. It's not the ordinary, everyday faith that every believer has. This is a gift of the Holy ghost listed in First Corinthians, chapter 12. It's. It's called the gifts of the Spirit. Why? Because it belongs to the Spirit, not to us. We are borrowers of those gifts. That's why the gifts of the Spirit only operate as the Spirit wills, not as we will, because they're his. So Smith Wigglesworth had his own measure of faith. And he said, when I used all of the measure of faith I had, the answer was still no. This man was not going to come back to life. But he said, but when I used it all, he said, then another measure, the gift of faith, the faith given by the Holy Ghost came and met mine. And then the answer was yes. Now, this is what I want you to see in your own ability, going as far as you can naturally. Remember what I said. Whenever God would tell my husband and I, for example, to start this building, we would go as far as we could in the natural. When we went as far as we could in the natural, then another ability, divine ability, would kick in Christ in us. See, you don't just sit back and do nothing. Faith is a movement. You go as far as you can with the measure of faith you have, and then he'll bring his flow in Christ to meet your movement of faith. And I'm trying to impress upon you, faith is a movement. You don't just sit back and say, okay, God, do everything. He feels movement with himself.
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That's good. We have to be making movement. That means that if you need a job, you don't just sit at home and say, I'm believing God for a job. You have to make movement. You have to go out, you have to put in applications. You have to go out and meet with business owners. If you have a business and you need it to grow, you have to do something to gain a customer base. Get your business name out there. If you will make movement, God's divine ability will meet your movement. So God works, but he fills our movement with himself. And this is called in Christ. And this is what Brother Copeland understood when God told him to give this seed to Kenneth Hagin Ministries. He didn't just say, okay, I'll do it, and then not take any action. You know what he did when he would break a dollar bill and have change left over? He would put it in a place and save all this change. And when he would get that vessel filled with change, then he would send it into the ministry. What was he doing? He was making movement as far as he could. And you know what his movement looked like? Change. Not enough. And so he would just make movement with what he had that was not enough. And he would just every little bit, he would send that in to Brother Hagin's ministry. He said after a period of time, he said, I had no idea how much I had given because he'd just given it in change. And he said, I contacted their ministry after time, and I asked someone in their office, how much have I given? And they said, you've given well over. $50,000. Brother Copeland said, there is no way that there was over $50,000 in all the change that I sent them. But what was it? When he made his movement as far as he could, which looked like not enough, which looked like simply change, then God made up the difference with in Christ his he performed. This is what I want you to see in Christ. Our movement is never enough. But if we'll make movement the movement of faith, God will meet that movement, fill it with Himself, and it will become something it never was until he got involved. Amen. So when we understand that we have him on the inside of us, the greater one on the inside, we give a different answer than those who don't have Christ in them. Amen. And we live a different life than someone who. Who does, who is not in Christ. I want you to listen to this. We've referred to this verse in past episodes, but listen, go back and watch previous episodes. I want to read this again. Why? Because Paul made this statement in one of his letters. He said, it is. And this is the amplified classic translation. He said, it is not irksome to me to write to you again the same message because it is a precaution for your safety. So what's Paul mean? He said, I'm saying the same thing to you over and over and over. And it's not bothersome to me to do that because the more you hear it, safer you are. So that's why I reread and restate a lot of these things in this, in every series I do, because it's a precaution for you. It's a safety for us to hear things over and over. Why? That's how you build it in you. And until we get it built in us, we can't spend it. We have to take ownership. This is the what? This is the reason people get disillusioned many times with the Word is they. They see it or they say it once and they say, well, nothing happened. Well, you've got to take ownership of these things. You have to establish these truths in you, because you can't spend what you don't own meditating on the Word, speaking it to yourself. If I could say this, driving that truth into your spirit deeper and deeper will enable you to spend them every time with results. And so I want to read to you out of Colossians, chapter two, and this is verse six, and it's the living Bible translation. Paul is writing and he makes this statement. And now, just as you trusted Christ to save, you trust him too. For each day's problems, notice this. Jesus wasn't just your savior the day you got born again, but for every day, he's your savior every day. Every day. Don't leave Jesus, the first flow of Christ in you to church day. He's for every day in Christ. We're to live every day drawing on his ability, drawing on the life and the grace that only he can give. So he said, trust him too, for each day's problems. Can I tell you this, Mamas? You have divine ability to help you parent daddies. You have divine ability to be the head of that home. Amen. God enables you with his power. Don't try to live the life God authored for you apart from Him. He has made himself available to you by living in you. You know, I so love something. I've told this story before, but I think it's so suitable, especially for married couples. You can see the differences in married couples, right? Because many times we're opposites. I mean, I can look at a few studio audience members here and go, oh, you're opposite of your spouse, because that's how you multiply your results. You know, one has strengths in this area and one has strengths in that area. And then look how broad the strength base became. And with my husband and I. My husband was such a visionary. I mean, he was always. There was always something planning, always. And he was high energy. He could keep going and going. And me, I'm just kind of plodding along right down the middle of the road. You know, I'm just. I was much slower paced than him. And so I'm the type. I had systems in place, an order in place. My husband was the kind. He was moving so fast, he would just blow right past the system, you know, right past the order. And. You know what I mean, you hear him laughing. And he would come into the house and he would start. As soon as he walk in, he'd start unloading all the stuff in his pockets. Car keys, change. And he was the type, he didn't just carry a wallet, he carried things loose because he didn't want something thick to have to put in his pocket. So he would have credit cards stacked here. He'd have, you know, currency bills stacked here. He would have his driver's license over here. Just change his car keys. And. And I had a sizable table right by our entrance, and there was a bowl there. And I'd say, baby, you can just put your stuff right here. But he would always have something going on up here. You know, he was Always doing something different when he walked in, other than thinking of where the stuff goes. So he would walk through the house and just be pulling it out, and it'd just go wherever he was. You know, it'd be on this or that table, or it'd be over here on this counter, or it would be, you know, on this mantel. And it would be. It would live in a different place every day. And it was so funny. It was comical to me. These, you know, these kinds of differences didn't bother me. I didn't harp on him. I just go, put it, pick it up, put it wherever. And I loved this. He would say, somebody took my stuff. Somebody took it. But he was, well, I'm the only other one living with you, and I'm not a thief. I. I didn't take it. But he never would say, I misplaced it. He'd say, somebody took it, somebody took it. And so he was constantly, every day, where are my keys? Somebody took them. Where's my driver's license? Somebody took it. That was always comical to us. Anybody else got these comical things in their relationship and their marriage. And so I would just laugh and I'd say, baby, it's somewhere. Keep looking. And so, you know, he would just drop it, like I said, at different places. Places. Thank God. God knew some of us were wired that way. Aren't you glad that he. He took up abode in a place that we could never misplace him? He's in us. I said all that to say this. He's in us because that way we know exactly the place to draw on. We know exactly where our help comes from on the inside. He's never misplaced. He never leaves us. He never forsakes us 24 hours a day, he occupies so that we can spend his ability anytime we need it. We can draw on his power. We can draw on his person anytime we need it. Not only is he in us, but his attributes, the fruits of the spirit are in us. We have them 24 hours a day to spend on. So we don't go to our flesh and try to draw the wrong flow out of the flesh and try to spend that. We've done that. That doesn't work. I said, that doesn't work. That falls short in the face of adversity. But the greater one on the inside of us, he abides. And all we have to do is turn there and recognize all. All we have to do is acknowledge. All we have to do is talk about. I'm putting him to work for Me, I'm putting the Greater One to work on this assignment. I'm drawing on Him. I'm not drawing out of my mind. I'm not drawing out of a flow of worry of what's. How am I going to do this? How am I going to fulfill this? I'm going to do it by the Greater One. This is the skill I so appreciate that Brother Copeland demonstrated when he said, in him, in Christ I have that money, and in Christ I can give it. What did he immediately went to who was in Him. This is the skill of walking as one in Christ, immediately, no matter what you're faced with, turn toward the One who is in you and put him to work. Therefore, because he's in you, you can instantly move ahead. You don't just sit back and wait for something to show up. Faith is a movement. Faith makes movement. And when you do, then God will feel that movement with Himself. Now, to not make movement is like sitting in a car, not turning it on, turning the steering wheel and then wondering why you're not there, how come I didn't arrive at where I'm going? Because you can't steer a parked car. You have to make movement if you want that vehicle to get somewhere. It's the same thing with faith. Faith does not sit stationary. Faith makes movement. Then you've given God something to direct, something to lead, something to guide. He can only guide movement. He can't guide someone who will not move with Him. Amen. The Word tells us in all our ways, acknowledge him and he will direct our paths, but he can't direct what's not moving. Amen. So here we see that we are in Christ, and it is up to us to acknowledge who's in us. In the face of adversity, what we're sometimes good at, that we've got to change, is we're acknowledging the need instead of acknowledging who's in us. How do we acknowledge the need? By worrying, talking about it. You know, I've noticed this. It gets old. Talking about the problem at dinner time every night. That gets old real quick. Hashing and rehashing, talking and just stating it over and over and over. And can I say this? Sometimes if we're not careful, we find ourselves when we're faced with opposition, just venting. You know what I mean by venting? Just letting off steam, just talking the problem. You say, well, I'm just trying to talk it out. No, you're not talking it out. You're letting the problem in. That's right. So put the one on the inside of you to work and break the bad habit of just venting, talking about the problem over and over and over. It frustrates the grace of God to talk about the problem when his ability is in you to deal with the problem. Let's learn to make a demand on the greater One on the inside of us. That takes practice. You have to practice directing the thoughts towards who's in you. Amen. We've got to break bad mental habits so that we will draw on the One who's in us instead of drawing on what we've always drawn on in the past. Our own ability, our own skill, our own, our own, well, resources when we need his resources. Amen. Well, we're learning, aren't we? I said we're learning. And these are truths that we're going to need to keep developing in our life. Amen. Now, we've made available to you a printout that you can go to our website@jesustheheater.org and for free you can simply download all the what we call in Him Scriptures. So we have compiled these for you and we want you to get hold of these, print them out, meditate on them, speak these to yourself. Because these verses say, use the phrases in him, in whom, in Christ through Him, these kinds of things that let us know who we are in him and who he is in us. And so these things will stir your faith and they'll establish this truth in you. And you don't want to miss upcoming episodes because we're going to keep this direction. But until next time, remember this Jesus is the Healer. God bless you.
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