← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Announcer
Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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Nancy Dufresne
There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now. I receive it right now from the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the healer. And it is such a joy to bring this word to you. I tell you, his Word holds every answer for life. And to spend time in the Word, we're hearing answers for our life. And you know, could I tell you this? The Word worked at home is more valuable than anywhere else because you're in your home. That's your training ground. And we don't just want to be working the Word in a public setting and not at home. My, my, my. That's. That's to really fall into a self deceit. It's when we live it at home, then it becomes second nature to us when we're out among others, when we're out in public, when we're on the job. So if I could say this. Make your home your practice place for being a doer of the Word. The real us is not the us that's seen in church. The real us is the us that's seen at home. How we respond at home is our report card, let's put it that way. How's that? And if we recognize. Wait a minute. My home is not as peaceful as it should be. My home is not as joyful as it should be. My home is not as in order as it should be. Then we're invited to be a greater doer of the Word. And these are the reasons we're bringing the Word into our lives so that we can live the life God intended for us. And he intended that the Word make its biggest difference in the home because then it automatically flows out into other arenas.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So we're so glad to spend this time with you. And we could say this. Let's all be mindful to do our homework. What's our homework? Making our home look like the flow of heaven in our home.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Being a doer at home too many times, we think, well, I'm with them all the time, so. So I can be any way I want. Do you know that one of the things that is a description of the love of God is one translation said, love has good manners. Listen to that. Love has good manners. That means when you come home among those you love, don't set your manners aside and use them only for public. They should be used most at home when those that we're with the most are able to benefit from them.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Even our daily manner of living should show in Christ. And we've been on a series called in Christ we can do it. And we've been taking something that brother Copeland said in a testimony that he gave how God commanded him to give $50,000, sowing that as a seed, to Kenneth hagin ministries. And brother Copeland made this answer. He said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. And when he said that, I saw in a flash, ah. Outside of Christ, it's a hardship. Outside of Christ, it's undoable. But in Christ, it's easy. In Christ, it's all doable. And in Christ, what's impossible becomes possible. Outside of Christ, everything is impossible. But in him, all things are possible. And know this. The word says, we're in Christ and he's in us. Think of that. It's phenomenal, the wealth of heaven available to us. And so we've been taking some time to minister on what it means in Christ. Brother Copeland was able to fulfill that. He took a little bit every day of the change and the coins that came into his hand. And he saved it and he sent it in. And after a period of time, Kenneth hagin ministries told him, you have given well over $50,000. Brother Copeland said, I know that much didn't come through my hand, but what happened? Christ got involved. Why? Because he did it in Christ. So I say this. Fulfill the will of God, the plan of God for your life. Don't think of when God gives you a command. When God says, start that business. When God says, you can buy that home, don't think of in me, think of in him. I can do it. So brother Copeland gave us the skillful, masterful answer when he said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. I want to read to you one of the. One of my favorite verses in this. It's found in Colossians, chapter 2 and verse 6. The Living Bible translation says this. And now Just as you have trusted Christ to save you, trust him too, for each day's problems. Look at this. We're not to just have in Christ responses in the big moments of life, but in the everyday moments of life, in every day. Learn to draw on. Wait a minute. How's he leading me? Wait a minute. What would he tell me to do? In other words, acknowledge him in everything that you do throughout the day so that when the emergency moments of life arise, you're already at skillful. You're already skillful at drawing on the greater one in you.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
And so he said, trust him too, for each day's problems. And then the next phrase tells us how we're going to be successful at that. Live in vital union with Him. What's this mean? Start your day with Him. And God said something to me years ago. He said, start every day in the Spirit, then keep your heart turned toward Me all day long. Now what does that mean in the Spirit? What's it mean when he says, start every day in the Spirit? Number one, start connected to your spirit. Take time to get your tongue and your attention connected to your spirit so that you're speaking out of your spirit and not just out of your mind. Not just out of a place of worry, not a place of fear. Can I tell you? There's no fear in your spirit. There's no worry in your spirit. All of that's in the mental arena that we have to keep out. Fear tries to come, worry tries to come, we resist it. But that's the place in the mental arena, the soulish arena, that those things can trouble us. But if we'll take time to get connected to our spirits first and foremost, and we draw out of that in the morning and then leave that place of devotion, time with God, and then go out and live out of that place all day. That's what he was telling me. Take time to get in the spirit or get connected to your spirit, and then go live your day out of that place, turning toward him, turning toward your spirit all throughout the day, not just when you're spending time reading the Word or spending time in prayer. So here he says, live in vital union with Him. That's what I'm talking about, that you live out a place of fellowship with Him. Mamas, when you're diapering your babies, bring him in on it. Worship God during that time. Know this, that the children in your life are not a distraction from who you are in Him. That's right. Learn how to draw on that. Do you Know that the responsibilities of your life as a parent, as an employee, as a spouse, as a daughter, as a son, none of that is a distraction to who you are in Christ. Learn how to bring that into every role of your life. Start your day thinking as one in Him. I'm in Christ today. He's in Me today. And anything he tells me to do through his ability, I can do it. Listen, it's not you doing it. It's him doing it through you. So connect to that flow every day. Start out your day connecting to that. If we don't draw on him, what else are we going to draw on? We're going to draw on the place of failure, which is our own ability.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So God doesn't limit us or he doesn't sentence us to our own ability. He offers Himself. Remember what Jesus said when he was out healing the sick, ministering to those who were mentally harassed and tormented when he was out among the people, he said, my Father in me, he does the works. Notice this. He didn't take any credit to himself. It's no credit to us of that we're moving with Christ. The credit is he's in us doing the work.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So don't live trying to do it. When he's in you to do it, he's in you to perform. So live in vital union or turn your attention. Live in fellowship with the One who's in you, empowering you.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
And then verse seven says, let your roots grow down into him and draw nourishment from Him. Notice it's Him. Him. Him is the subject of all of this. Not us, but Him. And it's about our skill in drawing on Him. And then in verse nine, Colossians two, just a few verses down, Paul writes, and he says, for in Christ, there is all of God in a human body. So because you're in him, all of God is in your. Why would we live naturally just drawing on us? Why would we be content to not draw on the One we're full of? Amen. Draw out of our emotions. That's a cheapened flow. It's a flow that will cheat you to just draw out of your emotions and your feelings. God gave you your emotions, but not to lead you, not to draw on out of you. Your emotions are just a color of your life. They're not to lead your life. So. And they're certainly not to draw on meaning. If I feel good about this, I'll do it. If I don't, I won't. No, we're walking out our life based on how he's leading us, we draw out of Him.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So again, verse nine says, for in Christ there is all of God in the human body. So you have everything when you have Christ. Look at that. You have everything when you have Christ. And you are filled with God through your union with Christ. So since we have everything when we're with Christ, why in the world would we draw out of the world? Why would we draw on just our own human intellect when everything is in the Christ who is in us? And we can draw on everything by drawing on him, putting him to work for us. How do you do that, Pastor Nancy? With words. Today I'm going to draw on Him. And then we obey what he leads us to do. So we speak who we're drawing out of, and we obey the one we're drawing out of. We're not drawing on him if we're not obeying Him. That's good. We're not drawing on the Word if we're just doing what we think we're to draw on Him.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So we draw on him. Colossians, chapter 2, verse 3. Even before those verses that I read, listen to this. The King James translation says, in Christ are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. So when we draw on Christ, he's our wisdom. The Word tells us Christ has been made wisdom unto us. Why? Because all wisdom is in Him. When we're drawing on him, we're drawing on the wisdom of God for our situation. When we're drawing on him, we're drawing on knowledge. We've left ignorance behind. We're not going to act in ignorance. We're not going to respond in ignorance. We're going to respond in knowledge. And he will bring us into that knowledge. The living Bible says this. In him lie all the mighty untapped treasures of wisdom knowledge. Well, let's not just leave them untapped. Let's tap it.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
The Good News translation says this. He is the key that opens all the hidden treasures of God's wisdom and knowledge. He is the key. He opens up all of this. He's the access into all the wisdom of God. So when we draw on Christ, we draw on the wisdom of God. My, my, my. All that's available to us. Then the. The next translation, the amplified classic translation, it reads this. In him all the treasures of divine wisdom, which is insight into the ways and purposes of God, and all the riches of spiritual knowledge are stored up and lie hidden. So when we draw on him, we Put him to work for us. We just put God's wisdom to work for us.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
When Brother Copeland answered, when God said, I want you to sow $50,000, and he answered, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. He just drew on God's divine resources and it came. Anytime you put Christ to work, you put everything he is to work for you. Think of this. If you were to. You know how children, if they have a big, strong daddy and they're being picked on and they tell, I'm going to tell my daddy when Daddy shows up and he's full of muscles and he's full of affection and protection for his child, he's going to put everything he is at the disposal of that situation. Right? God has put everything at our disposal and that. That treasury where that everything he is is in Christ. Mm, mm, mm. When we draw on in Christ, all of heaven just opened up to us. All of God's ability just opened up to us. All of God's wisdom just opened up to us. I so love what one preacher said to his daughter one day. She was grown, had children of her own, and she called him and she said, dad. She said, I'm struggling. She said, the kids are sick. I'm sick. This is going wrong. That's going wrong. She said, I've applied the word, I'm doing all I know to do. And she said, what am I leaving out? And I love this. He said, wisdom is the principal thing. Isn't that what it says in Proverbs 4? He said, Wisdom is the principal thing. What's wisdom? What God knows? He said, don't ask me, ask the God who knows. Ask wisdom. Because you need wisdom when what you're doing of the word is not arriving you. You lack further wisdom. Let me tell you a testimony of what happened with me. On one occasion, I had sown a very large seed personally. And, you know, when we sow a seed by faith, we reap the harvest by faith. The harvest doesn't automatically show back up. For example, my dad being a cotton and wheat farmer, when he would sow a seed and that that field would be full of wheat or full of cotton, it didn't just show up in his barn. It didn't just show up at the cotton gin. He had to go harvest what grew of the seed that he planted. So he had a role in planting it and he had a role in harvesting it. And so the harvest, although it grew automatically, it was not reaped automatically. That's good. And so whenever we sow a seed in faith, we also have to in faith, reap that harvest that comes because we sow the seed. So one way we reap the harvest is we say, father, I thank you for the harvest on that seed. I sow that in obedience to you. And that seed is growing and producing. And by my faith, I harvest it. And I thank you that you give me divine ideas, you give me open doors of financial opportunities lost, funds restored. There's many ways that harvest can show back up into my life, but I'm going to. How are we going to know when to harvest it? Because the Bible says that if we faint, not in due time, we'll reap when is due time. You don't know when it is, but the Holy Ghost knows when it is. And he'll tell you, do this, do that, and it will be the harvest on that seed you sowed. So how do we harvest a seed? We follow the Holy Spirit, what he tells us to do. And so I had sown this seed. And in sowing that seed, I would say this, that the devil opposed me mentally. I mean, he fought a fight against that. And he would threaten my mind to where, if I touched, if I even thought about that seed I'd sown, there would be troubling because the devil had made that seed his assignment, that he was going to try to trouble me about that seed I'd sown. So it got to the place that I wouldn't even think about that seed I'd sown. Because if I thought about it, it seemed to open the door to that troubling that the devil would throw at my mind. And so I said, satan, I recognize that you that thought, that troubling thought is you. I resist it. In Jesus name, I would say that. But that thought would stand off. And it would. If I could say this, you could tell it didn't totally leave, but it would just stand back. And then about a week later, it'd come with full force again. And it would strike the mind like a fiery dart. And I would answer it, why we're to answer with the word. Jesus said, it is written in the wilderness of temptation. Remember that? He would say, it is written. He answered with the word. So that's what I did. I answered with the word and it would stand off, but it didn't totally leave. And that went on for about a month, going back and forth. And one day, I remember where I was. I was in a hotel room traveling on the road, preaching. And again that thought struck my Mind. And this time, before I even had a chance to answer it, God spoke to me and he said, why don't you ask me about that threatening thought? Ah. I hadn't asked God about it because when that threat would come, I would just automatically answer it. The Bible says, resist the devil and he'll flee. So I would just automatically start resisting. That's in the book of James. But also before it says resist the devil, it says, submit to God. Submit to God, Resist the devil. One way we submit to God is we submit to what he knows. We submit to his wisdom. So in other words, before we start resisting, ask him, how should I resist this? What are the words? What is the scripture I should use? Submit to God. Ask him. What's that mean? Involve him. That's what I was missing. I was just automatically just turning toward the Word and saying it, which isn't wrong. I've done that before. And the enemy would leave. But this time it was just he was standing off and he wouldn't leave. So God was seeing I wasn't getting it. I wasn't submitting to him. I just went straight to resisting. So he invited me to submit to him. He said, why don't you ask me about that threat? And so I said, okay, I apologize. I had not thought of that. So I ask you, what about that? He said, the reason he's threatening you with that thought that's troubling you is because he doesn't want you to reach your faith for the harvest. I said, I see. I see it. And the moment I got that understanding, that Spirit left and that was the end of it. Why? If I'm doing all I know to do and I'm not getting the result that the Word says is mine, then I know this. I've got to get wisdom. So when God said to me, ask me about that, then he gave me the wisdom. And when I got the wisdom, that spirit left the room and never returned. Now, what's that mean? In Christ? I have access to all wisdom. In Christ. What I need to know, God will make known to me. And I say this. Sometimes we get so occupied with what we don't know, we start getting. If I could say this, if we're not careful, we can open the door to fear by saying, I don't know enough. I just know this. I just do what I do know. And if I need to know more, I trust him to bring me into what I need to know. Amen. Then I don't get into fear. I don't get into Worry about what I don't know. I just do what I do know. And when I've spent all that I know, what I need to know further, he'll bring me into. But when we haven't even done what we do know, we're not even positioned to know more. When we come to the end of doing all we should do, all we know to do, then he'll bring us into more. You say, do you have scripture for that experience you had? I go, yes, because remember with Jesus, with the madman of Gadara, it said that when Jesus arrived and this man fell down and worshiped him, that Jesus said to the man, speaking really to the spirit, what's your name? And that spirit, that evil spirit, spoke through the man and said, my name is Legion, for we are many. Well, Legion means anywhere from 2 to 2000. So when that devil gave his name, he also gave his number. Anywhere from 2 to 2000, one devil possessed him. But that main devil, that. That devil that possessed him opened the door for others to come in and trouble him. So, and it says, when did Jesus ask that of that devil? What's your name? It says, because Jesus had rebuked him and he didn't leave. Ah, Jesus rebuked the devil in that man and he didn't leave. Why was it Jesus did what he knew? And then when it didn't leave, he said, now the wisdom of God came in, and he had wisdom. Ask him his name and number. That is so good. And he got further wisdom. And when he had the wisdom of God, then that devil came out. So Jesus rebuked him, resisted him, and he didn't come out. So he knew he had to have something more. What? The wisdom of God.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
When you're standing on the Word and you don't arrive at what belongs to you, ask God. There's further wisdom. You need more specifics. Amen. Sometimes we give a general answer and it works. But sometimes, depending on what's opposing us, we can't just give a general answer of the Word. We have to have a specific answer of the Word. And when we lack specifics, that's the wisdom of God to give us those specifics in Christ. The wisdom of God is at our disposal. In Christ, the specifics of what we need to know about that situation, we can know.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
So again it says, Colossians, chapter 2, verse 3, in Christ are hid all the treasures of wisdom. And I like this, what the Good News translation says, he is the key that opens all the hidden treasures of God's wisdom and knowledge. So even though you might know not, you might not know what to do at the right now about all your situation, you're filled with the One who knows. So what's that mean? No fear, no worry. Because what I need to know is made known unto me as I tap on and lean on and draw on in Christ.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Wisdom belongs to me. And the devil will try to frighten you when you endeavor to step out and obey God. I tell you, the devil will use what you don't know to try to back you out of that place. Come on. Because he'll say, you don't know enough. I'm filled with the One who knows it all. That's our answer. I'm filled with the One. And he makes me to know what I need to know. He will bring me into that knowledge. He'll either cause a sermon to come my way, a scripture to come my way. My pastor will preach something, I'll hear something that will bring me the wisdom that I need.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Thank God we're never walking in the dark. We're in the light. Why? Because Christ in us brings to us and imparts to us the wisdom of God. And there's nothing God doesn't know.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
Well, we're. We're going to invite you to do some homework. How about that? Go to our web site@jesusthehealer.org and we have two different two different methods that we can get to you in him scriptures. This one is compiling some of our most favorite, probably about 20 or 30 in him scriptures. And then we have a complete listing on a larger format that lists about 130 in him scriptures. Feed on these, get these in you, speak them to yourself, meditate on them, and you'll begin to live as rich as you are.
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Congregation/Listener
Amen.
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Nancy Dufresne
And until next time, remember this Jesus is the Healer. God bless you.
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Announcer
To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit dufresneministries.org.
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Narrator/Promoter
We will never receive from God beyond the measure of our response. In this book, Responsibility Responding to the Holy Spirit, Nancy Dufresne instructs us how to properly respond to God and the moving of His Spirit. Order this book now at dufresneministries.org.
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Announcer
Shop Nancy Dufresne's books and other products as well as Jesus the Healer merchandise on our website@jesusthehealer.org or call us at 951-696-9258 to place your order today. If you have received a healing or have any other testimony to share with us as a result of this broadcast, we would love to hear about it. Please call us, write us or contact us through our website. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us at defrain Ministries to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, submit a prayer request or visit our online store. Thank you to the friends and partners of defresne Ministries for making this production possible.