Podcast Summary: Jesus the Healer with Nancy Dufresne

Episode 787 | In Christ I Can, Part 27
Date: July 8, 2025
Host: Nancy Dufresne (Dufresne Ministries)

Episode Overview

This episode centers on the believer's right and responsibility to hear God's voice for themselves, particularly in the context of faith, decision-making, and following God's plan. Nancy Dufresne shares personal stories and practical biblical teaching, emphasizing that hearing from God is a privilege for every Christian "in Christ." She discusses the importance of not outsourcing spiritual hearing to others, developing personal sensitivity to God's leadings, hearing amidst opposition, and being faithful in small, seemingly insignificant guidance moments.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Power of God's Presence and Hearing for Yourself

• God’s Power Is Present for Healing

  • Opening encouragement that God’s power is present in every situation, especially in sickness ([00:10]–[01:10]).
    • “Say, I receive that power right now, from the top of my head to the soles of my feet.” – Nancy Dufresne

• Hearing from God Changes Everything

  • Personal testimony about ministry transitions involving her sons and daughter-in-law ([01:10]–[05:00]).
    • Nancy models how to seek God’s guidance for big decisions.

2. Importance of Personal Spiritual Hearing

• Never Trust Your Hearing to Someone Else

  • God said: “Never trust your hearing to someone else.” – Nancy Dufresne ([04:49])
  • Personal application: “I perceived that it was time... but I sensed that I needed to hear that God had something more to say... I didn’t want to move until I heard something more.” ([03:30])

• Hearing Brings Faith for the Journey

  • When facing opposition, what you have heard from God becomes your anchor.
    • “You have to tell your need what God said. My God shall supply all my need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus.” ([07:25])
  • Romans 10:17 reframed: “Faith comes by hearing what God’s saying to you.” ([08:15])

3. Hearing in Spirit, Not Just in Mind

• Hearing via the Spirit

  • God leads through your spirit, not always audibly or spectacularly.
    • “Sometimes we just perceive in our spirit... but however he leads you, make sure you hear. And hearing belongs to you.” ([05:40])
  • Jesus said, “My sheep know my voice.” ([11:25])
    • Nancy’s advice: “Don’t argue with him and say, I don’t know what he’s saying, because then you’re speaking against the word. Say it by faith: I know what God’s saying to me.” ([12:00])

• Clarity and Faith Come from Hearing

  • “When you hear what God said, what came with what God said? Faith.” ([13:35])
  • “I am one that moves slow—why? Because I don’t want to have to back up and clean up.” ([14:10])

4. The Nature of God’s Leading

• Often Quieter for Big Decisions

  • “The bigger the decision, the quieter the leading.” ([16:25])
    • Learning to recognize the “still small voice” rather than waiting for dramatic promptings.

• Growing in Discernment with God

  • “The more I knew Him, the less vocal he had to be.” ([18:25])
  • Just as you get to know a spouse’s desires, the more you walk with God, the more you intuitively pick up His leading.

• Variety in God’s Communication

  • Multiple communication styles explained: God leads in many ways (authoritative, quiet, inward witness), just like people use in-person, phone, text, or letters. ([20:10])

5. Walking Out God’s Plan and Ordered Steps

• Righteousness and Restoration
  • "The steps of a righteous man are ordered of the Lord." ([21:10])
    • Encouragement that even if you’ve missed it in the past, you can still walk in God’s perfect plan: “A righteous man can come back and walk the perfect steps of God’s plan in their life, no matter how bad they missed it.” ([21:40])

6. Real Life Application & Spiritual Development

• Personal Testimonies of Learning to Hear God

  • Transitioning to business decisions after her husband’s passing ([22:05])
  • Waiting for peace before acting: “I waited until there was a certainty of peace.” ([23:05])

• The Devil’s Words vs. God’s Words

  • What God says trumps the devil’s threats: “If someone said, ‘Your hair turned purple,’ I wouldn’t care. I know what color my hair is. If the devil says, ‘You’re going to lose your home,’ I already know what God said.” ([24:35])

• Don’t Rely Solely on Others’ Faith

  • Building your own faith and ability to hear: “I needed my own faith on the everyday flows of life.” ([25:35])
    • Warning: Don’t coast under stronger believers—spiritual independence is vital.

7. God Trains Us in the Small Things

• Being Sensitive in “Insignificant” Matters
  • Story: God said “Don’t buy that couch”—training ground on the non-urgent so you’re prepared for life’s bigger moments ([26:15])
  • “Since He gets involved, it makes it important. The couch wasn’t important. But the leading I learned regarding that couch—there was the gold.” ([26:55])

8. Obedience Without Needing All the Reasons

• Obeying Because He Said So
  • Draws a parallel to parenting: “The most frustrating thing—it’s when your child says, ‘Why?’... You obey it because I said it.” ([27:05])
  • Military illustration: God trains us in obedience in everyday things so we’re ready for bigger commands.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Superiority of God’s Word:

  “You cannot keep the devil from talking to you. But then you have to have something to say at the end of it.” ([25:10])

• Faith for Everyday Living:

  “God is going to teach you the skill of hearing him in the insignificant things, the things that don’t really matter in life... it was my training ground.” ([26:15])

• Hearing as Part of Your Spiritual Inheritance:

  “Hearing belongs to us in Christ. Know that’s part of your inheritance: hearing.” ([22:15])

• Faith and Obedience:

  “God is so easy to please. All faith is what pleases Him.” ([19:45])

Important Timestamps

• God’s Healing Power & Family Ministry Testimony: [00:10]–[05:00]
• Importance of Hearing From God Personally: [05:00]–[13:30]
• Faith Comes by Hearing—Application: [13:30]–[16:40]
• The Quiet Leading of the Holy Spirit: [16:40]–[18:30]
• Developing Confidence in God’s Voice & Steps: [18:30]–[21:10]
• Building Independent Faith; Training in Small Things: [21:10]–[26:50]
• Obedience & Everyday Guidance: [26:50]–[27:10]

Conclusion

Nancy Dufresne concludes by reaffirming that each believer has the in Christ right to hear from God for themselves—and that every step of faith, large or small, begins with that personal leading. Whether it’s major life decisions or daily choices, God’s guidance is accessible and reliable for those willing to develop their spiritual hearing. The episode encourages listeners to be responsive, move in faith, and internalize that “Jesus is the healer.”