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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now. I receive it right now from the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the Heater. Come on in. We're going to have a good time around the Word, and we're going to continue going the direction we've been on. Oh, my goodness. I think it's like 60 episodes that we've already done on In Christ. And, you know, you could probably go a lifetime on this subject, just making this a theme of life. Because to have the highest order of faith, find out who you are in Christ, think as one in Christ, speak as one in Christ, and then live that way. Because when people really understand what has been made theirs because they belong to him, faith is no longer a struggle. When people are struggling in faith, it's because we don't know all that we need to know. And when you find out who you are in Christ, you begin to see so clearly the vast wealth that is yours. And I'm not just talking about finances, it includes finances, but I'm talking about the vast wealth of peace and joy and health and just the vast goodness of the plan of God over your life. So if I could say this to you, if I could give you homework of anything, I would love to assign you. It is to study the Scriptures that teach. Teach you who you are in him. The devil will never parade in front of you the thoughts of who you are in him. He's always going to try to draw you into looking at yourself, who you are apart from Christ. And that no longer describes the believer. We're never apart from him ever again. But the devil wants to draw us in our thinking, to see ourselves as one outside of Christ. Because the devil knows if we ever gain revelation of who we already are in Christ, that's the end of struggle in our life. Struggle comes from not knowing who we are in Christ. Struggle comes when we are not in agreement with what the Word says about us, the Devil wants us agreeing with our flesh, not agreeing with the Word. The Devil wants us agreeing with our emotions, not agreeing with the Word. That's why the Devil assaults the mind. He brings thoughts against the mind, he brings accusations against the mind because he's trying to draw us away from who we are in Christ. And he wants us to identify ourselves through our thought life. And the thought life is so changeable. Therefore you don't ever want to, if I could say this, hook your self worth to your thought life. Because until you have the thoughts of Christ, until you have the thoughts of the Word, until you have the thoughts of who you are in Christ, our thoughts need to come up higher. And so the devil is constantly trying to hold us in the mental arena. And he tries to do that by pointing to our faults, failures, weaknesses, the past of where we've missed it, where we've made wrong decisions, how we've done it wrong. And I would say this to you, the Devil always wants to make you think that because you might have missed it somewhere in decision making, missed it in steps you took in your life. He wants you to think that because you missed it that you have to settle for a measure of defeat. And you don't. You will have to use your faith. When we miss it, we need help from heaven, right? And when we miss it, we still have to use our faith because especially when we miss it, God wants to help us even more out of that place of difficulty that our missing it put us in. But the devil wants us to mindful of where we missed it, so he can, if I could say this, dupe us into thinking that we have to accept a measure of defeat. But this is what I've learned to say. When I miss it and the Devil tries to accuse me with my faults, my failures, I've learned to answer him with this devil. When I miss it, it only shows that I qualify for a savior. And I've got one. So what's that mean? That because I have a sav, I am redeemed from the harvest of wrong decisions when I use my faith in the word of God. Faith in the word of God will bring me into a flow of God. And I want you to know this. The devil wants to constantly accuse you with your faults and failures because he knows that if you ever, if it ever dawns on your spirit who you are in Christ, the struggle is over. And what that means, when you know who you are in Christ, you begin to Live as Jesus made you to be. And what is it that Jesus made you to be? Satan's master? I tell you what you are. You are authorized to live as though you have no enemy. Because the enemy that we have is a defeated foe. And we need to, in every encounter with the enemy, every time he accuses, every time he brings up something of the past, we need to always immediately think of him as a defeated foe, not as a worthy opponent. And the devil wants to paint himself larger than he is. Jesus reduced him to nothing, brought him low, stripped him of his ability to harm you. The only ability the devil has left is the ability to talk and to threaten and accuse. And so he works by the power of suggestion. That's the only power he has left. He will suggest something to you to try to make you accept those wrong thoughts. Because if he can get you accepting thoughts of fear, if he can get you accepting thoughts of your past, if he can get you accepting thoughts of what your life is outside of Christ, then he will rob from you. Just by using threats, just by using words. Well, we're authorized to know higher words. We're authorized to come into the words. Listen to this. The Word of God is the thoughts of God. God offers us his thoughts. Think of that. I mean, not only do we belong to him, but he took everything of him and made it ours, including his thoughts. Think of that. The thoughts of God. The Word of God is the thoughts of God because he became an author and wrote down how he thinks, and he wrote down how he moves in the life of men. Really, that's what the Old covenant and the New Covenant. It's a picture of God's movement in the life of men. And when we see how God will move in the life of someone else, then we know how God will move in our life. And so when we take on the thoughts of the Word, we're taking on the way God thinks. And when we take on the way God thinks, then we recognize when the enemy is suggesting something so we can recognize that didn't come from God. And I'm not taking it. To learn this in life, you have to learn to say when thoughts that are against the Word, you have to learn to say, devil. That's not my thought and I'm not taking it. You have to answer that. You don't have to. If I could say this, Resolve ways of thinking. You have to recognize any way of thinking that's against the Word and say, that's not my thought. Because have you ever noticed this? The devil wants to try to get you in the arena of the mind by asking question after question, question after question, trying to get you to answer why did this happen? Why did that happen? If you ever get into that arena of questions with the devil, he'll out thank you. Because the mental arena is his arena. But we're to hold the devil in the arena of faith. What is the arena of faith? It's the arena of our spirit. Why is because in our spirit our faith resides there. And when we answer from the place place of faith, that means we're leaving the place of mental reasoning. And the devil wants to hold you in the place of mental reasoning because he can out thank you. He wants to get you answering. He'll say, well, why did this happen to that person? Well, you know what? That's not any of our business. And I could tell you this, I so appreciate something that is recorded In Romans chapter four, starting in verse 16, 17, 18, 19, going down through about verse 22, it's talking about Abraham, the father of our faith. And it describes how what kind of faith life that Abraham arrived at. He didn't start there in his faith life, but he arrived there. And one of the things it says, it says that Abraham considered not his own body. What's that mean? He did not take it into the mental arena what his body could or could not produce and could or could not perform. Now if you'll remember, God told Abraham when he was 75 years old, him and his wife Sarah were childless. They wanted children, but they were childless. And God said, I have already made you the father of many nations. Now it didn't look like that in the natural. But Abraham had to bypass the mental arena, the reasoning arena. What is that? The arena of this natural realm. He had to quit looking at this natural realm so that he could hold to what God said. Because this natural realm will not. It's not going to be the place of authoring God's best for your life. This natural realm changes because of what God says. So anything you can see in this natural realm is up for change. Just know that if you can see it, it it's changeable. If you can feel it, it's changeable. If you can hear it, it's changeable. And this realm, this natural arena is up for change. Don't leave things in this arena to dictate to you what your life is going to look like. It's the unseen realm, it's God's realm, the faith realm that can change everything of this natural realm that you see when you're in Christ, and you are in Christ, if you're born again, we're to talk about our place in Christ. Because in Christ is not a feeling, it's a place. It's a position. We've been raised and seated with Christ. And joined to that seat is everything of God's flow, everything of God's power, everything of God's ability. So when this natural realm is showing you something that is against the word of God, know this. It's up for change. And it's up to us. We are authorized to see to it that it's changed. And you say, well, I can't make it change. No, but you can speak words that invite God's power to move and manifest and produce the change in this natural arena. What's the Word tell us? It says, while we look not at the things which are seen. What's that mean? This natural realm, what we can see, what we can feel, what we can hear. It says, while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. And how many of you know, God's telling us where not to look? And he's telling us where to look. So when he says, while we look not at the things which are seen. Can I tell you this? To look at what is seen and to stay focused on what is seen is a sin. Why? Because when it's showing you something different than what God says, and we stay fixed with our attention on something different than what God says. God has told us, don't look at says while we look. Not. Isn't he telling us not to look at the wrong view, not to look at this natural arena, not to look at what this world shows you? Because our citizenship is a different world. Amen. Remember what the Word says. Jesus said about himself, I am the door. What's that mean? Ah. He's the entrance into another world. He's an entrance into the world of faith. He's the entrance into God's realm. And we get to choose. If we want to be dominated by this natural world, we can. But why would we? We didn't get born again so we could stay being dominated by this realm. When we came into the family of Christ, we came into another world, another realm. And it is our privilege, but not only our privilege, our responsibility to take what the Word says about that other realm, God's realm, the faith realm, the spirit realm, and change this realm. How do we do that? Our words invite God's power to produce the change in this realm. So that it replicates what God's realm shows. Amen. We get to choose our world. I said we get to choose our world. And how do we make that change? Well, the Word tells us. I was just quoting it when it says, while we look not at this, at that which is seen, we don't look at this realm in. If you stay fixed on this realm, then this realm will keep manifesting. But if we will fix with the eyes of faith on the unseen realm, then we're. We're inviting God's realm to change this realm. Now, can I tell you this? The natural man has five physical senses, right? Taste, you can hear, you can see, you can taste, you can touch. All these things that are so tangible in this realm. The physical body has these five physical senses. But you know what? The spirit man has senses also. And you can see, the Word talks about eyes of faith, talks about hearing God. So what's that mean? The natural man doesn't have more to work with than the spirit man has to work with. You have spiritual senses, and you are authorized to live by the spiritual senses or the senses of your human spirit. You're not limited to the senses of the natural man. And we have to practice seeing with the eye of faith. And that's what this verse is telling us. While we look not at the things which are seen. What's he saying? Don't just think that you only have these natural eyes to look with. You have eyes of your spirit to look with, and you are authorized. Anytime this natural realm shows you something you don't like, you're authorized to use a different set of eyes. And it's the eyes of your spirit man that sees by faith. So when the Word says, while we look not at the things which are seen. So if we're talking about what's seen, if we're fixed on what's seen, if our conversation is rutted in what is seen, I want you to. You can look. They have it on the screen. 2 Corinthians, chapter 4, verse 18. While we look not at the things which are seen. So the Word is telling us where not to look. You know, if we're going to look at the right thing, we have to know what not to look at. That's the wrong thing. So it says, while we look not at the things which are seen. So when the Word tells us to look not at the things which are seen, but we're so fixed on them, we're disobeying the word and disobedience to the word of sin that's why so many people are troubled, because they're fixed on the wrong thing, then wondering why they're troubled. Don't look at what is seen. It says, well, if we're not going to look at what is seen, what are we going to do? We, it says, but at the things which are not seen. So we choose to look at what is not seen. You say, Pastor Nancy, how can you do that? With the eyes of faith, your spirit man has eyes that are more real than the eyes that are in your natural body. Just as your eyes are able to see something and you can stare at it and you can be absorbed with it as long as you want, even so, the eyes of faith can see another flow, see another world, see another. If I could say this, another world, and you say, I'm gonna stay fixed on that because I like that view better. And why is it so important what your eyes do? Because what you look at goes into your soul. So we have to make sure that we're fixed on what the word says rather than fixed on what the natural realm shows us. So again, 2 Corinthians 4:18, while we look not at the things which are seen, do you know you have to practice that? You have to practice getting your attention, getting your focus, and could I say this? Getting your conversation off of dinnertime conversation. Get it off of all the things this world is showing you that is against the word of God or not the flow that you want to stay in. The way you exit this world is quit looking at it, quit talking about it. I love something that we had. One of our congregation members, he got up and gave a testimony of something he had faced several years ago, and he just had bombarding thoughts that were causing depression. And I so love something that God said to him. He said, shut up and show up. And I appreciate, you know, God talks to us in the way we get it, right? When God said, shut up, what's he saying? Don't talk about what you're feeling in this realm, because the more you talk about it, the more entrenched you get in it. If people are battling with depression, they're battling with thoughts of fear, they're battling with thoughts of doubt, they're battling with thoughts of financial worry, thoughts of how they're troubled about their children. If they keep talking about that, what that does, that digs a deeper trench and harder to get out of that. So they just keep digging that deeper rut and they stay in it. How do you get out of that? You change what you're Looking at you, change what you're talking about. So I appreciate that God said to that young man because he was basically entrenched in such a flow of depression that he had become almost suicidal. And God said, shut up. And what's he saying? He's not telling him not to talk. He's saying, shut up to this realm. Shut up. Shut your mouth to what this realm is showing you so that you will not cooperate with what you're feeling of this realm. And then he said this. Shut up to this realm and show up. What's this mean? Have you ever noticed that people who get entrenched in a flow of depression, it's hard for them to function? I mean, some of them really have to quit jobs. They quit participating in the family. So I so appreciate what God said to this young man. When he said, shut up and show up. He wasn't being harsh.
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He was saying that when you get. When people get into a trench and a flow of depression, what happens? They quit functioning. And so he was saying, just keep living life. Resume living. And I so appreciate what this one man said. This young man, when he was giving his testimony, he said, even though depression was trying to root itself in me, he said, I just kept doing what I was supposed to do, even when I didn't feel like it. That's what faith does. It goes against the feelings of this natural realm. And we choose our world by choosing what we're going to be occupied with. Now, we are not sentenced to cope with depression, cope with troubling thoughts. We're instructed to rule and reign. So how do we move from this place of people just trying to survive what they feel in this world, what they see in this world? That's what. That's what that scripture tells us while we look not what's that mean? We're going to have to wholeheartedly turn ourself, turn our attention, turn our words, turn our conversation toward what the Word says and what God says. And we're going to have to fill our mouth with it. We're going to have to answer when thoughts of depression, feelings of depression say, that's not my thought. I won't take that. And then you have to put a different thought in your mouth. What is that? The thoughts of the Word, speaking the Word. And that keeps us from thinking we've got to cope with these things. You know, I decided long ago, I'm not going to live a life feeling like I'm being chased by fear, that I've got to outrun it, being Chased by troubling thoughts, being chased by my past. Because God did not, not call us to cope. He called us to victory. And I'm not just going to. What is the word? I'm not just going to seek relief. Some are okay just to get relief. I don't want relief. I want total victory. And the devil will, if I could say this, he will entice you to settle for relief so that you don't go on to total victory. We're not called to cope. We're not called to just keep him, keep him and that the flow of the world at bay. We're to change worlds. We're to step out of the flow of this world. How do we do it while we look? Not that means what you have your attention on is going to determine what world you live in. That attention is what I was saying through the eyes, through our conversations, through our thought life. And we are to use our eyes of faith. We are to speak faith words. And when God was dealing with this young man who was dealing with depression, that was really leading him to a place of suicidal thoughts. God said to him, shut up and show up. Don't talk about the things that don't repeat what the devil is saying. That's what God is really saying. Don't repeat, shut up to what the enemy is trying to fill your mouth with and then keep showing up. And what's he mean? Don't quit living the life you're to live. If I could say this. When the devil suggests a wrong thought, he doesn't just want your mind troubled. He wants your daily actions troubled. He wants to infiltrate, move from the thought life to where your life takes on the actions of those thoughts to where you separate yourself from your loved ones. You sit in a room, you sit and turn out the lights. Or you feel isolated. The devil is always trying to remove you from the flow of, if I could say this, help that other people could give you by trying to get you in a solitary setting so that he can. If I could say this, put you in a corner and beat up on you. You know what I mean by that? Have you ever felt that? There have been times that I felt like I just felt like I'm in a corner and just getting blown after blow after blow. Whether it's on my mind or physically. The devil wants to isolate you. And that's the flow of this world, is to try to get you to draw back from living your life. But you know what the word tells us in Acts, chapter 17, it says in him we live, and in him we move, and in him we have our being. The Devil wants fear to dictate your movements, not not in Christ dictating your movements. My goodness. There's so much that we need to say and so much that we get to say about this, and we're so thankful that you take the time to share this time with us in the Word. But I will say this, you don't want to miss upcoming episodes because we're going to keep talking about this and we're just following the way the Holy Ghost would have us to go because he knows he has the prescription for every one watching of what they need to hear. So we're thanking you that you're joining us, but there's so much more that's coming up, so you don't want to miss it next time. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the Healer. God bless you.
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Podcast Summary: Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
Episode 821 | In Christ I Can, Part 61
Release Date: August 25, 2025
Host: Nancy Dufresne (Dufresne Ministries)
In this episode, Nancy Dufresne continues her extensive teaching on what it means to be “In Christ,” focusing on how a true understanding of identity in Christ impacts faith, victory, and how we face challenges—particularly in the arena of the mind. She encourages listeners to view themselves through their union with Christ rather than through their past failures or present circumstances. Nancy provides practical advice on overcoming mental attacks, depression, and living victoriously by shifting focus from the visible, natural realm to the unseen, spiritual realm through the eyes of faith.
Nancy Dufresne’s teaching in this episode is both scriptural and highly practical. She urges listeners to reject the accusations and suggestions of the enemy, to fix their attention on their position in Christ, and to use faith-filled words to invite God’s power to change their circumstances. The repeated emphasis is on living victoriously, refusing to simply cope, and intentionally choosing what to focus on—spirit over sense, victory over survival.
Key Action:
Practice shifting your focus from what is seen (circumstances, failures, feelings) to what is unseen (God’s Word, your identity in Christ), answer contrary thoughts with faith, and keep “showing up” for life even when you don’t feel like it.
For more from Nancy Dufresne, visit dufresneministries.org.