Podcast Summary: Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne

Episode: 823 | In Christ I Can, Part 63
Release Date: August 27, 2025
Host: Nancy Dufresne

Main Theme

This episode centers on understanding what belongs to believers “in Christ,” specifically focusing on how one’s identity in Christ impacts spiritual victory, healing, provision, and practical daily life. Nancy Dufresne emphasizes the necessity of not just knowing but acknowledging every good thing that is available in Christ, acting in faith, and obeying the leading of the Holy Spirit to see those promises manifest.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Reality of God’s Power and Realm

• Power is always present for healing for those in need, irrespective of their location.

  "There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one. ... Say I receive that power." (00:10)

• Believers are born into God’s realm—the spirit realm and the faith realm—which is superior to the natural, changeable world.

  • Victory and all spiritual blessings flow from focusing on this higher realm, not the natural one.

  "We're not just sentenced to live life in this natural realm ... we're born into another realm, God's realm, the faith realm, the spirit realm. And that's the highest realm." (02:00)

Skillfulness in Being “In Christ”

• Just as a new job requires training, the Christian life requires skillfulness in understanding and acting upon who you are in Christ.

  "The more skillful you are at those skills that are connected to that position, the less you struggle. ... We have to become skillful with who He is in us and who we are in Him." (01:15)

• Struggle persists when believers lack knowledge or skill in living out their identity in Christ.

Differentiating Realms: Natural vs. Spiritual

• The natural (seen) realm is temporary and changeable. The spiritual realm (God’s Word, faith) is eternal and unchangeable:

  "If you can see it, if you can feel it, if you can touch it, it's changeable. ... But the things which are not seen are eternal." (04:10)

• Change in natural circumstances comes by focusing on and drawing from the spirit realm, not by obsessing over what is presently visible or felt.

Faith as an Active Force

• Faith is likened to bringing an empty basket to the market: you come expecting to take something home.

  "When faith goes to market, she takes a basket with her, right? Because she expects she's going to get something." (06:04)

• Everything needed is already stocked in Christ—health, provision, wisdom. Faith “picks up” what’s needed from this supply.

The Language and Acknowledgment of “In Christ”

• Everything God offers—victory, provision, healing—is found in Christ, and believers must learn to speak and think as those who are in Christ.

  "We have to learn the language of in Christ. ... We have to learn the speech of in Christ, we have to learn the thoughts of in Christ." (11:40)

• Acknowledgment is essential: Simply possessing something in Christ does not manifest it; you must acknowledge it.

  "Your faith goes into effect when you acknowledge who you are in Christ. ... In Christ has to be acknowledged. ... What belongs to you in Christ doesn't manifest simply because you're in Christ." (12:40)

• The verse Philemon 1:6 is foundational:

  "That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you, in Christ Jesus." (13:15)

• Practical application: Instead of focusing speech on lack, pain, or symptoms, believers are instructed to say:

  "In Christ, I have all the money I need to pay my bills." (14:30) "Thank God I'm free from pain because I'm in Christ." (14:10)

The Flow of Acknowledgment

• Whatever you consistently acknowledge will manifest—whether good or negative.

  "If we talk about pain, we have more pain. ... But if you'll talk as one in Christ, then that's what will flow." (10:55)

• What you acknowledge today shapes not only your present but also your tomorrow.

  "What you acknowledge today, it fills your day, but it also will move into your future." (19:25)

Faith Requires Obedience and Action

• Faith without corresponding action is incomplete.

  "Faith is obedience. Faith is an action. ... So our part as one in Christ is to speak words of faith and have actions of obedience." (23:51)

• Example of Kenneth Copeland’s $50,000 Seed:

  • God told Copeland to sow $50,000. He acted even without immediate visible resources, by sending coins; God supplied the increase.

  "In Christ, I have it, and in Christ I can give it." (21:45)

• Example of Smith Wigglesworth:

  • After committing to buy the wrong house, unable to secure funds, God led him to the “poorest” man in his congregation, whom God had provided for—teaching the importance of following the Holy Spirit, even when it doesn’t make sense.

  "The Holy Ghost will lead you to do things that don't make sense. But if you'll obey ... he will always lead you into your help and your provision." (26:00)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the necessity to use the right language:

  "Symptoms are nothing but the temptation to talk as one outside of Christ. And I'm not outside of Christ. I'm in Christ. I refuse to talk as one outside of Christ." (15:35)

• On manifesting God's promises:

  "It's only the things you acknowledge as yours in Christ are the only ones God can manifest. If you don't acknowledge that you're healed, God can't manifest that." (16:45)

• On God’s method of teaching:

  "You can learn something through sickness, but that's not God's way of teaching you. God's way of teaching you is through His Word. God's way of teaching you is not through tragedy, hardship, crisis, suffering." (18:00)

• On “movement” and faith:

  "Just like you can't steer a parked car, God can't steer your life without movement. He needs the movement of faith." (25:09)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• The Reality of Spiritual Power: 00:10–01:15
• Skillfulness & Realm Identity: 01:15–03:00
• Natural vs. Spirit Realm: 04:10–06:00
• Faith’s Expectation & Provision: 06:00–10:30
• Language and Focus—In Christ vs. Outside: 10:30–15:00
• Philemon 1:6 and the Role of Acknowledgment: 13:15–16:00
• Practical Application: Speaking in Christ: 14:10–17:00
• Consistency in Confession & Lifestyle of Faith: 19:25–21:30
• Kenneth Copeland Testimony: 21:45–24:30
• Obedience and Action Required: 23:51–25:00
• Smith Wigglesworth’s Obedience Story: 25:15–26:50

Conclusion

Nancy Dufresne encourages listeners to:

• Continually renew their minds to who they are in Christ by the Word
• Actively acknowledge and speak every good thing that is theirs in Christ
• Respond with faith-filled action and obedience to the Holy Spirit’s leading

The episode concludes by affirming that Jesus is the healer and inviting listeners to deepen their understanding of their life “in Christ” for total victory in spirit, soul, and body.