← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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I receive it right now.
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From the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the healer. Thank you for taking the time to be with us. And know this, that anytime we give to the Word, it will pay rich dividends in our lives. So we also invite you, get your Bible and follow along and get something to take notes on because we don't want you to miss what God's saying to you. And know this. We're believing God for answers for your life. That's why we're bringing this word to you. Amen. And we have been on a thrilling series, well over 65 episodes now, just talking about, ministering about who we are in Christ and who he is in us. And certainly we can only just scratch the surface of the great wealth of this truth. But we encourage you, take your own time, to meditate on these things and speak these things, study these things and get them on the inside of you. Amen. Know this, that faith is fixed on who we are in Christ, not who we are outside of Christ. So when we're moving into faith, we have to look. We have to look, if I could say this, a different direction than the natural man shows us. We have to look at who he made us to be and when we're aware of who he made us to be. And that's what our attention is on. Your faith is strong and flourishing and thriving when it's fixed on the right thing to have the highest order of faith. Learn who you are in Christ. Because when you know who you are in Christ, your struggle in the face of adversity is over. You know opposition's going to come. That doesn't mean opposition won't come. But you won't struggle when you remember, wait a minute. Greater is he that's in me. And you start drawing on the greater one that's on the inside of you. I want to. I want us to look at a passage. Let's look at Matthew, chapter five. And we're going to start with verse 43, Matthew, chapter five. In verse 43, this is the King James translation, Jesus is speaking here. And he said this. Thou shalt. Look at this. Thou shalt love thy neighbor. No, let me back it back up. Yeah, let's go to verse 43. You have heard that it has been said, thou shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine enemy. Jesus said, now that's what you've been taught in the past. That's what you've heard. What's he talking about? He's talking about, this is how natural man operates, that you love those who love you, but if someone doesn't treat you right, you equal them. You respond to them based on how they're treating you. But that's what the natural man outside of Christ, that's how he behaves. Then Jesus said in verse 44, but I say unto you, so he's giving us something different to define us than what verse 43 does. So verse 43 is defining what a man outside of Christ looks like. What a man that is responding just to the natural side of man. This is what he's going to respond. How he's going to respond. He's going to love those who love him and he's going to hate those who hate him. But Jesus said, but I say unto you, look at this. Number one, love your enemies. Well, how are we going to show love for enemies? The next phrase tells us, bless them that curse you. Do good to them that hate you. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Jesus? Do good to them that hate you and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you. You go, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Listen, that sounds too big. And not only that, that sounds undoable. Well, the man outside of Christ can't do that, but the man in Christ can do that. And he's defining here that when you belong to him and he belongs to you, you're going to respond completely different. And you're going to respond in a way that doesn't make sense to the unrenewed mind. Now you go, why would I want to pray for those who despitefully use me and persecute me? God, I don't want to pray for them. That's what the natural man says. The man outside of Christ. Why does the natural man not want to pray for those who oppose them? Because we know if we pray for God to bless them. They're going to get blessed. And we don't want them blessed because they persecuted us. Right? I mean, we're thinking, if I pray for them, it's going to be as though I'm giving them permission or I'm agreeing, or God is agreeing with how they're treating me and I can't. Oh, that's hard. No, no, no. He's talking about that. He's going to put a demand on the Christ in you so that you start living as one in Christ. Now, did you know Jesus is helping us in this verse to become skillful with what in him looks like and what in him does. Now, we're going to have to go back to. I spent, oh, my goodness, 40 to 60 episodes in past series teaching on the love of God. Now, the love of God that is on the inside of us is not a love that we had to conjure up. Before you were born again, the only love you had to draw on and the only love available to you was human love. Human love will treat someone nice as long as it's treated nice. But human love will turn to hate in a moment because human love is dealing strictly with how the flow of the world operates. If you treat me good, I'll treat you good. You treat me bad, I'll treat you bad. You say something ugly to me, I'll say something ugly to you. Human love cannot be elevated above how it's treated. And know this. It doesn't have the stuff to be better than what somebody else does to it. That's why human love will do nothing but equal everything that comes against it. It will not surpass it. It will not do better because it doesn't have the ability and the strength to overcome what's done against it. So before we are born again, all we have available to us is human love. And that love will falter. But once we were born again, once we were made one with Christ, we not only have the fruits of the Spirit, but love is one of the fruits of the Spirit that is made ours. Because we're in Christ, we do not have to go and conjure up this love. It's given to us, deposited in us at the new birth. The love of God is in you. If you're born again, you don't have to pray. Oh, God, give me love for that person. No, that's not what the Word says, that the love of God has been shed abroad in our hearts. We already have it. That's what the Word tells us. We have the love of God. Because God came in us. He is love. And he brought his love, divine love, in with Him. And that's what is now residing in our spirits is the love of God, divine love. We are no longer ever authorized to spend human love again. That's. That's off limits to us if we're in Christ. Human love is beneath us. Human love is no longer the flow that God will permit us to function in because he brought his own love and placed his love in us. And that's part of the flow that belongs to us in Christ and Christ in us is this flow of divine love. Now, how is divine love different than human love? Well, human love says how you treat me is how I'm going to treat you. But divine love operates this way. I walk in love with somebody not because of how they treat me, but because of how I. My standard, I treat them based on my standard, I treat them based on what's in me, regardless of what they do to me or against me. I'm not referring to them to find my response. I'm referring to who's in me to find my response. God loved us when we were unlovely. God loved us before we loved Him. God loved us the Word says, while we were yet sinners. What's this mean? We hadn't done anything right toward God and He still loved us. Why? Because his love is not based on us. His love's based on Him. Divine love is based on who's in you and not based on what someone does against you. Human love is will always equal what someone does to it or against it. But divine love is based on who's in us. When someone does something unlovely to us, that does not change who's in us. Now listen to me. No matter how someone treats us, their treatment of us does not alter the one who's in us. And divine love is drawing on who's in us. We are not drawing on how someone treated us. If we are just going to respond to someone based on how they're treating us, we know we're living low. We know we are outside of Christ. We are thinking as one outside of Christ, acting as one outside of Christ, speaking as one outside of Christ. And we say, well, they're not going to treat me that way. I'm not putting up with that. They're not going to. They're not going to do me that way anymore. Well, you're talking like one outside of Christ. Because in Christ, we're talking about who's in me. And we're going to equal him, and we're not going to equal the opposition that comes against us. Now, let me qualify and state some things clearly, because when people's minds aren't renewed, they. They can get some things misplaced in their love walk. Now, let me, let me explain what I mean as a parent. For me to walk in love with my child, I'm going to correct them, I'm going to discipline them, because that's what love does. What's the word say? Whom the Lord loves, he corrects. How many of you know God will correct us? He will discipline us not through trials, not through hardship, but through his word and the dealings of his spirit with us. Haven't you ever had God deal with you and say, I'm not gonna permit you to do that anymore? You're not. You know what God allowed of us when we were younger, spiritually, as we grow and develop, he won't allow that anymore. Let me tell you what happened with me years ago. My goodness, probably about 30 years ago, we were around a table. There were other ministers in different ones and my husband was there in different people that we knew. And I'm not even in a conversation with somebody and, and somebody made a statement involving me. And I go, what? You know, my ear went that way. I wasn't even in this conversation. But they're over and they're saying something. And I thought, mm, that was out of line what they just said. You know, if they have an issue with me, talk to me about that. Don't talk to whoever the public around. And I thought, you know, the next time I see him, I'm going to make a point to see him and I'm going to say, you know, if there's something that you're not sure about with me, talk to me about that. Don't talk to others about that. And when I considered that, I had a. If I could say this, a knowing, a scratching, a dealing of the Holy Spirit on the inside of me that said, don't talk to them about that. And I go, oh, no. Oh no. I overrode that. I overrode that dealing with Holy Ghost. I said, oh, no. I got scripture, the Bible says if someone offends you, go to them privately. They said something publicly, but I'm going to go to them privately because I'm going to do what the word says. Go privately, and I'm going to talk to them privately. I'm not going to call them out publicly like they did to me, but I'm going to talk to them privately. And I just had this sense and this scratching. Nope, don't do that. And I go, oh, no, I got word on this. I got the word on this. You are not backing me off the word. I got the word on this that if someone offends you, you go to them privately and you discuss it with them. And so I said, I'm doing that. I got the word on that. And so it wasn't maybe an hour or so later I was in a place where I was alone with them, and I said, you know something? When we were at the table and you made a remark that let me know you didn't understand something about me. And if you weren't clear on that, you need to come to me and talk about that, not say something publicly in front of others. Give me the chance to define that. Don't just you misstate that. So just come to me privately if there's a question in your mind about that. And they acted like pew just threw it over their shoulder like, I don't care what you said to me. And they just walked out and acted like, no big deal. And I go, hmm, well, that didn't turn out the way I thought. And as soon as they walked out of the room, God said, I want to talk to you. And I said, sure. You know why? Because I acted in line with the Word. I dealt with this secretly. I didn't deal with this publicly. And God said to me, he said, every verse in the Bible is not for you. And I go, what? He said, every verse in the Bible is not written to you. And I go, you're going to have to explain that to me. He said, the verse you're standing on is if someone offends you, go to them privately. He said, that verse was written for someone who took offense. And he said, I will not permit you to take offense because you have developed past the point spiritually to where offense should never be permitted in your life. And he said, I expect you to walk in love, and love will ignore a suffered wrong. And he said, that verse is not for you. I'm dealing with somebody who's walking in offense, someone who's spiritually undeveloped. And they took offense, and I'm telling them how to deal with that. But he said, I expect you to walk in love, not offense. Ah, interesting. Right? So that means we're going to have to realize that as we grow up spiritually, God expects more of us, and in Christ we're to meet that. He puts an expect an expectation on maturity in our life. To grow up. And we're going to have to meet his expectations. So that's what I mean when I say, in past seasons of your life, God might not have said something to you, but as you develop and grow, God will not permit sometimes the same way of thinking, the same way of operating, the same behavior, even because as we grow, God expects more of us. Now, don't we expect that of our own children? When they're young, we may just cast a blind eye towards something they do because we know, oh my gosh, they're two years old, no big deal. But when they're 12 years old and they do the same thing, we go, oh, no, you're not getting by with that. Because we expect more of them. And as they grow up, it's the same thing with God. He expects more of us as we grow up and as we come into the knowledge of who we are in Christ, God's going to put a demand on that and he's going to expect us to meet that demand. Now let's go back here to mark 5:43, because we haven't left our topic yet. You have heard this is Jesus speaking. You have heard that it has been said, thou shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you. Now, when you're a parent, you cannot ignore when your child needs discipline and say, well, I'm just walking in love. No, because when you're walking in love, those that are under your authority, and you will train them, you will correct them, you will discipline them. So some people say, well, I'm mercy motivated and so I'm just praying for my children. Prayer is not meant to take the place of what discipline is to do in the life of a home. A parent is to bring discipline to that home, bring correction to that home, because that's what love does. Love is not permissive toward wrongdoing. So when we have our children, those who are under our authority, you know, when I have staff, if something tries to get out of place, I am the first one there to put it back in place. Why that's under my authority. I'm not going to say I'm walking in love by ignoring it and overlooking it. I don't ignore any wrongdoing that happens under my authority. Does that make sense to you? Because there have been parents who have been weak parents. They have been passive parents because they say well, I'm just doing a soft version. No, you can't pray for your children when you need to discipline your children. God does not. He makes it very clear that prayer is not meant to take the place of what discipline and correction is to perform. And so you cannot let things get out of place and stay out of place and say, I'm walking in love if that situation is under your authority. Now, every human being I meet in this world is not under my authority. If I have no authority over someone, I'm not going to try to correct them. I'm not going to. I'm not going to exercise the same activity or same. Or not going to take the same steps with people outside my authority that I'm going to take with people under my authority. Does that make sense to you? Because there are people who say, well, I'm walking in love. And what that means, they're not training their children, they're not correcting their children. They're not. They're not disciplining their children because they say, I'm walking in love. No, that's being passive. And you're off the word. Those who are under God's authority, he loves and he corrects and he trains. And that's the role of a parent. And that is walking in love. Whenever this perfect society of heaven tried to get out of order one day, Lucifer tried to act apart from God's word. Now listen to that. Angels work on one thing. They're commanded of God's word to do something, and then they act in line with what that word of God commands of them. You can put God's word in your mouth and angels will respond because you have an angel that's assigned to your life. That angel was assigned to you at birth. And when you speak the word, the angels assigned to your life can move and cooperate because they move at the command of what God says. And what God says needs to be coming out of your mouth. And they will move when you speak God's word. But Lucifer, now see, that was his good name. He lost his good name. He's no longer labeled Lucifer. He's labeled Accuser, the Brethren. Thief. That old serpent, he's lost his good name. But when he had his good name, Lucifer tried to act apart from what God said. What did he do? He said, I will exalt my throne above the throne of God. Uh oh. Uh oh. This angel was trying to act apart from the word of God. And the only. And the last time that happened, God kicked him out. Why? He was not authorized to act apart from what God said. And can I tell you this? The Word tells us that Satan Jesus said, I beheld Satan, that he was cast down like lightning out of heaven. What was that? When things tried to get out of order in God's realm, in God's sphere of authority, God, who is love, rose up. Love rose up and kicked out that which tried to violate him. I want you to know that love will rise up and it will not permit wrongdoing in its realm of authority. As a parent, as an employer, you have a right to exercise authority. And that exercising of authority shows up as correction, discipline. And that is a flow of love. Because whom the Lord loves, he corrects. And when you love your employees, you want them to succeed. When you love your children, you want them to succeed. So you're going to help them succeed by correcting things that would take them off course Now. So when I say walking in love, I don't mean being permissive toward wrongdoing. And people get this very religious misdefinition of love, meaning they won't address what needs to be addressed and call it walking in love. That's not walking in love. You've got to go by what the Word says. Now, those who are outside your realm of authority, who's the public you meet when you're out, you know about your day, those you have no authority over, you walk in love with them. What's that mean? I'm not correcting them. I'm not trying to win my way with them. What does Jesus say? He says how we deal with people who are not under our authority. When they treat us wrong. We cannot act like they act. We can't respond like they respond. We have to respond based on who's in us. We're not responding based on what they did against us. We're not going to equal them. We're going to equal the God who's in us. Now, what does that look like Jesus said In Matthew, chapter 5, verse 43, I say unto you, love your enemies. Ah, look at that. Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you. Do you know you can't do that outside of Christ? You can't do that. You have to be thinking as one in Christ, speaking as one in Christ, and operating as one in Christ to do what he just said. Because in ourselves, in our own human love, that's not possible. But the divine love that's on the inside of us, that's possible. So when Jesus gave us this command in verse 44, you know what he's doing? He's helping us to be saved. Skillfully walking as one in Christ, he's putting a demand that we can no longer draw out of our flesh, draw out of human love to fulfill this. Because human love, that's impossible to bless your enemy, it's impossible to do good to those that hate you, it's impossible. But in divine love, it's completely possible because you're drawing on the God in you and not drawing on your flesh, you're drawing on him who's in you. Listen, he is in us so that we could respond like Him. He did not come in us, set up his dwelling place and his home in us so that we could keep drawing on our flesh. He set us as his temple, the temple of the Holy Ghost, the abiding place of the Holy Ghost, so that we could draw on Him. And God is not pleased when we keep drawing on our flesh while he's in there all along, waiting for us to yield to Him. So listen, we did not get out all of this today in this episode. You're going to have to come back to future episodes because we're going to have to spend a little bit more time on this because people say, I want to. I want to live as one in Christ. I want to. I want to live as rich as he made me. Well, you're going to have to address this, because in Christ, you're going to respond differently to your enemies than you would outside of Christ. And we can't just say, I want to live in Christ when it comes to having all my needs met and having my body healed and having the wisdom of God, no, we're going to have drawn Christ on every facet of what in Christ means, that we're going to have to. To learn to respond differently to those who oppose us than we did before we became as one in Christ. Amen. Well, these things, they protect us. They make our lives rich. And we're learning. We're learning what it means to live in Him. And as I said, you don't want to miss next time because we're going to keep going this direction. But until then, remember this. Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit dufresneministries.org in this book, responding to the.
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Holy Spirit, Nancy Dufresne instructs us how to properly respond to God and the moving of His Spirit. Order this book now@dufresneministries.org.
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Join us for our Jesus the Healer Crusade in Collinsville, Oklahoma at a glorious church with pastors Chip and Candice brim October 5th through the 9th. For more information and to register for in person attendance, please visit our website@dufresneministries.org Nancy Dufresne is the President of World Harvest Bible Training center in Marietta, California. This is a Word and Spirit Bible school where you will receive impartations and revelations. So whether you're called to the five fold ministry or want to bring a greater supply to your local church, this could be the school for you. We're now accepting applications. Go to whbtc.org for more information.
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We're excited to announce a new worship album called in youn Glory by Grant Dufresne. For more ways to listen to in youn Glory, scan the QR code on your screen.
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