Podcast Summary: Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne

Episode 835 | In Christ I Can, Part 75
Date: September 12, 2025
Host: Nancy Dufresne (Dufresne Ministries)

Episode Overview

This episode continues Nancy Dufresne’s long-running series on the theme of "In Christ I Can," focusing on what it truly means to live “in Christ” versus relying on human ability. With an emphasis on faith, healing, and walking in divine love, Nancy explores how believers can practically demonstrate the love of God—especially towards those who oppose or mistreat them. Matthew 5:43-48 serves as the core scripture, guiding listeners through the profound difference between human and divine love, and inviting them to a higher standard of maturity and obedience in Christ.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Power of God’s Presence (00:10–00:41)

• Nancy opens by emphasizing that God's power is present everywhere, even in places of sickness or difficulty:

  "There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one... Power is present. That power is there to do a work."
  — Nancy Dufresne [00:10]

• She encourages listeners to actively receive this power by faith:

  • Instruction: "Say I receive that power. I receive it right now... from the top of my head to the soles of my feet." [00:39]

2. Living “In Christ” vs. “Outside of Christ” (00:42–02:00)

• Nancy explains that true Christianity is not just about what we gain, but also about how we operate:

  • Living outside Christ: Only human love, which is conditional.
  • Living in Christ: Access to divine love, which brings provision, joy, restoration, and healing.

• Quote:

  “We’re cheated in life if we’re going to turn to outside of Christ, but in Christ... all the goodness of God that belongs to us now in Christ brings so much into our life.”
  — Nancy Dufresne [01:13]

3. Human Love vs. Divine Love (02:00–07:30)

• Scriptural focus: Matthew 5:43-44—Jesus’ command to love not only neighbors but also enemies.

Human Love:

• Conditional; only returns good for good, evil for evil.

  “Outside of Christ, the only love you have to draw on is human love. And human love will falter.”
  — Nancy Dufresne [02:56]

Divine Love:

• Based on God’s nature, not others' actions.

  • Loves unconditionally, even when people are unlovely or enemies.

  “Divine love doesn’t love someone based on how they act. Divine love is... loving people based on who's in you.”
  — Nancy Dufresne [03:41]

• God expects believers to rely on His love, not revert to human love.

  • Faith comes from God and works only through divine love (not human love).

  “For that faith to work, the Word tells us faith works by love. What kind of love? Not human love, but divine love.”
  — Nancy Dufresne [05:08]

4. How Divine Love Expresses Itself: Jesus’ Threefold Command (07:30–17:00)

• Matthew 5:44 – Jesus sets out three ways to express love to enemies:

  1. Bless those who curse you:
     • Respond with kind words, not retaliatory ones.

     “They say something bad, you say something good about them.”
     — Nancy Dufresne [08:49]

  2. Do good to those who hate you:
     • Take tangible actions to bless others, even if they oppose you.

     “You’re going to move from just saying words of blessing... to action. Actions of love.”
     — Nancy Dufresne [09:04]

  3. Pray for those who despitefully use and persecute you:
     • Bring adversaries into the presence of God in prayer, seeking blessing for them.

• Practical Application:

  • Nancy emphasizes these are choices, not feelings. Taking actions of love can shift one’s heart.
  • The Holy Spirit will often prompt specific actions—giving, forgiving, blessing others proactively.

• Memorable Instructional Moment:

  “To love our enemies, we say something good, we do something good, and we pray something good.”
  — Nancy Dufresne [13:03]

• Mental Health Insight:

  • Negative words or actions lose their grip when we respond with love and blessing rather than letting them “get in us.”

  “It doesn’t really affect you that people say or do something against you until it gets in you. That’s the danger.”
  — Nancy Dufresne [11:54]

5. Generosity as an Action of Love (17:00–19:30)

• Giving as Obedience: Nancy discusses the times the Holy Spirit asked her to give to people who hurt her.

  “When he told me, he’s told me in years past, give this person that. Give that person this. I didn’t owe it to them... I was showing God what you say means more to me than any item I would possess.”
  — Nancy Dufresne [18:04]

• Principle: If you can’t give it, you’re not “safe” with it—obedience unlocks peace and blessing.

6. Walking in Love as Spiritual Maturity (19:30–22:00)

• Continuing in Matthew 5:45-48: God treats the evil and the good with equal kindness. This is the standard for believers—a move to “perfect” (mature) love.

  “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, which is in heaven, is perfect.”
  — Nancy Dufresne [21:41]

• Faith and Love Connection:

  • If one is struggling with faith—especially in healing—first check your love walk.

    “The first place I check is my love walk. What’s he saying? I don’t start throwing healing scriptures at a physical condition… because... faith works by love.”
    — Nancy Dufresne [22:01]

7. What Does “In Christ” Mean For Us? (22:00–23:30)

• Living “in Christ” means not just receiving but giving—especially the love of God:

  “In Christ doesn’t just mean, what do you get? What do you benefit? But what can you bring? What can you give because you’re in Christ? Well, number one, you want to give the love of God to people.”
  — Nancy Dufresne [22:35]

• Ultimate Example: God gave His Son—love gives sacrificially.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Divine love is on the inside of you, and you’re equipped with it."
  — Nancy Dufresne [04:24]

• "You don’t have to feel love before you choose love. But if you’ll choose to respond to someone based on the love of God that’s in you... you’ll feel a deep affection, a deep love for them."
  — Nancy Dufresne [19:23]

• "If you won’t give it, you’re not safe with it."
  — Nancy Dufresne [18:45]

• "To walk in love is to protect your life. And in Christ, you can walk in the love of God."
  — Nancy Dufresne [22:40]

Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------------|----------------| | Power of God’s presence and healing | 00:10–00:41 | | Introduction to theme: In Christ vs. outside | 00:42–02:00 | | Human love vs. divine love | 02:00–07:30 | | Three expressions of divine love | 07:30–17:00 | | On forgiveness and generosity | 17:00–19:30 | | Divine love as maturity; faith and love | 19:30–22:00 | | Applying “in Christ”—give as well as receive | 22:00–23:30 |

Takeaways for Application

• Receiving God’s power is an act of faith, not effort or striving.
• Divine love enables believers to surpass the limitations of human conditionality and to live supernaturally, especially in their relationships.
• Practical steps:
  1. Bless with your words.
  2. Do tangible acts of good, as led by the Spirit.
  3. Pray sincerely for those who oppose you.
• Walking in divine love is essential to effective faith—especially for healing and breakthrough.
• Obedience to God, especially in giving, is a form of demonstrating love and maturity.

Episode in one sentence:
“To live in Christ is to let divine love lead, expressing itself in our words, actions, and prayers—even toward enemies, thus maturing our faith and bringing God’s presence to the world around us.”