Podcast Summary: "Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne"

Episode 842 | In Christ I Can, Part 82
Date: September 23, 2025

Overview

In this episode, Nancy Dufresne continues her long-running series "In Christ I Can," emphasizing the unlimited riches and authority available to believers in Christ. The main focus is on understanding what is already available to Christians through their spiritual union with Christ, unlocking what lies "hidden" in Him, and learning to live by the Spirit rather than by the limitations of the mind or body. Nancy explores the difference between Old and New Covenant revelation, the importance of spiritual honor, the role of the Holy Spirit in understanding divine truths, and practical applications for faith, healing, and provision.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Everything Heaven Planned is in Christ

• Nancy emphasizes the inexhaustibility of the "in Christ" topic (01:10).

  • “Everything heaven planned for us, he put in Christ. And so how do you reach the end of all of that? You just don't.”
    (Nancy Dufresne, 01:15)

• The Christian life should be free from striving:

  • "When we know all that he’s made ours in Christ, it takes all the struggle out of living."
    (Nancy Dufresne, 02:00)

2. Pauline Revelation: Further Unfolding of God’s Wisdom

• Paul’s revelation is an unveiling of truths deferred by Jesus until after the resurrection.
  • “Paul wasn’t wrong and Jesus wasn’t wrong... it’s something that God could unfold under the new covenant that he couldn’t unfold under the old covenant.”
    (Nancy Dufresne, 03:45)

3. Colossians 2:3 – Spiritual Treasures Hidden in Christ

• Nancy reads and elaborates on Colossians 2:3 (Amplified Classic):

  • “In him ... all the treasures of divine wisdom, comprehensive insight into the ways and purposes of God, and all the riches of spiritual knowledge and enlightenment are stored up and lie hidden.”
    (Nancy Dufresne, 05:07)

• These treasures are not hidden from us, but for us—requiring desire and honor to access.

4. The Principle of Honor in Receiving from God

• Illustrative Analogy: The "pig and the pearls/newspaper/Bible" analogy underscores why God reserves deep things for those who honor His Word (09:30).

  • "Don’t take something of great honor and lay it before someone who doesn’t honor. Because the honorable things of God are for people who long for it.”
    (Nancy Dufresne, 13:05)

• Only the part of God’s Word one honors works for them:

  • "If someone doesn’t honor Jesus as healer, they won’t receive healing. Although healing belongs to them, they won’t receive it... You can’t dishonor the Word and have it work for you.”
    (Nancy Dufresne, 15:20)

• Honor is a “receiver.” To gain more from God, increase one's honor for the Word.

5. Discovering Spiritual Realities Requires the Holy Spirit

• The Word must be processed spiritually, not just mentally.

  • “It needs to be processed through the Holy Ghost within us. That we receive this into our heart, that we depend on the Holy Spirit.”
    (Nancy Dufresne, 19:30)

• Quoting Smith Wigglesworth:

  • “He said some like to read the Word of God in Hebrew. Some like to read it in Greek. He said, I like to read it in the Holy Ghost.”
    (Nancy Dufresne, 20:20)

• The Bible is a spiritual book, so only the Holy Spirit can truly reveal its truths.

6. Spiritual Senses vs. Physical Senses

• Believers are threefold—spirit, soul, and body—not part parts but each complete (22:10).

• Spiritual Senses: The spirit has senses more accurate than the physical senses.

  • “Just like the physical body has senses, do you know your spiritual body has senses? ... And the spiritual senses are far more accurate than our physical senses.”
    (Nancy Dufresne, 22:50)

• Example: Seeing oneself as healed in the spirit, not relying on physical evidence.

7. Receiving Revelation and Living By the Spirit

• God works with us spirit-to-spirit; the mind is limited, but the born-again spirit is unlimited.

  • “Your spirit can believe things your mind cannot grasp. Because the mind has limitations. But the spirit... is unlimited.”
    (Nancy Dufresne, 25:00)

• Letting the soul or body dominate leads to restriction or destructive habits; the spirit must be “master,” the soul “servant,” and the body “slave” (25:40).

8. Testimony of Healing by Faith

• Nancy recounts the testimony of a woman healed from pneumonia by laying hold of God’s promise in her spirit, even when her mind and body did not initially perceive it (26:10).

  • "In her spirit, she knew, no, I got it. I got it. It dawned on her spirit. ... She praised God based on what her spirit knew, not based on what her body showed."
    (Nancy Dufresne, 26:40)

• The point: Hold fast to what is known in the spirit until it manifests in the natural.

9. Closing Encouragement

• “We know this, that in us is the greater One, and we agree with who’s in us, not with what we can calculate, what we can reason, what we can figure out. Greater is he that’s in us than he that’s in the world.”
  (Nancy Dufresne, 27:15)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Pauline Revelation:
  "Paul wasn’t wrong and Jesus wasn’t wrong... Jesus said, 'There are things I have to say to you, but you’re not ready to hear.' What did he do? He said them through Paul." (04:00)

• On Divine Treasures Being Hidden:
  "He’s not keeping it from us, but he’s keeping it for us." (06:30)

• On Receiving from God:
  “Honor is a receiver. If we need to receive more, honor the Word more, dive into it, study it, make it yours. Treat the Word with honor, and the Word will treat you honorably.” (17:00)

• Smith Wigglesworth Quote:
  "Some like to read the Word ... in Hebrew ... Greek. He said, I like to read it in the Holy Ghost." (20:20)

• Testimony of Healing:
  "She said, I got it. I’m healed. And nothing of her body showed healing ... But in her spirit, she knew, no, I got it. It dawned on her spirit." (26:40)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:10]: "Power is present" – Invoking faith for healing in every sick room.
• [03:00]: The continuing journey of discovering what is ours in Christ.
• [05:07]: Reading & expounding on Colossians 2:3.
• [09:30]: Pig and pearls analogy—honor and receiving revelation.
• [15:20]: Only the part of the Word you honor works for you.
• [19:30]: The necessity of Holy Spirit for understanding the Bible.
• [20:20]: Smith Wigglesworth “read it in the Holy Ghost” quote.
• [22:10]: On being a threefold being—spirit, soul, body.
• [22:50]: Spiritual senses explained.
• [24:30]: Letting the spirit—not soul/body—rule the life.
• [26:10]: Testimony: Healing manifests after received in the spirit.
• [27:15]: Closing encouragement: Agree with the greater One in us.

Summary Takeaways

• All that heaven planned for believers is in Christ and already made available to them.
• Understanding and receiving these things requires honor, hunger, and spiritual pursuit—not mere mental agreement.
• The Holy Spirit is essential for revelation and for these truths to become reality in a believer’s life.
• We should live from our spirit, letting it dominate our mind and body, for the spirit is limitless and God’s channel for all blessing and revelation.
• Perseverance in faith means holding fast to spiritual knowledge until the natural realm aligns.
• Faith in Christ and the wisdom of God are meant to be discovered, honored, and practically engaged in every facet of life.

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