← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now. I receive it right now from the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the healer. And it is such an honor and a pleasure to spend the time with you around the Word. Aren't we thrilled at the Word? And I love something that dad Hagin used to say to us. He said, it's when you get thrilled with the Word that it works for you. Now, notice he's not referring to an emotional reaction, because when you get thrilled in your spirit, why are you thrilled? It dawned on your spirit. Your spirit grabbed the understanding of that Word. And it's when you understand the Word and it dawns on your spirit, that's when it works for you. And so we're just expecting that the Holy Spirit is called causing things to dawn on our spirits today. Right. And because when it's authored in our spirits, that's when it's spendable. And too many times, if we just think that we know it mentally, we can't spend it until it dawns on our Spirit. And so we want to get thrilled with the Word because that's when it works for us. Amen. We have been on our series called In Christ I Can and My, my, my. There is so in this, we have been looking at Colossians chapter two, and I want us to see what it says in verse three. This is the Amplified Classic translation. And it says, in him or in Christ, all the treasures of divine wisdom, comprehensive insight into the ways and purposes of God, and all the riches of spiritual knowledge. Look at this. The riches of spiritual knowledge. So what makes you rich? Having knowledge of what belongs to you. It belongs to the spirit man, what God's doing in your spirit. So it says, all the riches of spiritual knowledge, not just human knowledge. But what's that mean? The wisdom of God, What God says, when you have spiritual knowledge, I guarantee you you're rich, baby. You are rich. So it says. All the riches of spiritual knowledge and enlightenment are stored up and they lie hidden where? In Christ. So we're. We're endeavoring to take the time to dive in and understand who's in us and what that means. We're no longer sentenced to live on the old man. It's the new man. It's the new man. We are in Christ. We are new creatures in Christ. What's that mean? Number one? We're a new species. A new species of being that never existed before. You have been. You are no longer the you you used to be. You're the you in Christ. So what does this mean for us? We have to quit thinking of ourselves as outside of Christ because we're not outside of Him. We are in him. And it's up to us to. If I could say this, brand it on our spirits, brand it on the way we think, and put it in our mouth as in Christ. When we realize that we are in Christ, we just tapped into all the treasury that is. That is laid up in Him. The wealth of everything God wanted for his people, for us, he put it in Christ. And so in Christ, everything we'll ever need is awaiting us to partake of it. So if I could say this. Let's learn to think and answer in Christ. I have this in Christ. I can do this in Christ. That house is mine. In Christ, that new business is mine. In Christ, my needs are mine met. Let's learn to put in Christ as our opening statements. How about that? We make that our phrase. Instead of, in my finances, I can't pay for that. In my strength, I'm not able to do that. No, let's. Let's flip that. Let's start putting the spiritual habit in place of answering in Christ. I can do this. That. We have to go back to Brother Copeland's testimony. Now. We've stated it so many times during this episode, but that was the launching pad for when God began to open this up to me. And I so appreciate Brother Copeland's testimony because it shows the skill of the answer that is to come from someone who's in Christ. Back in the 1970s, when brother Copeland was learning, him and Sister Gloria were learning the truths of prosperity. They were learning to understand that really debt and lack were a bondage that we were to walk free from. And they were at. At that time, they were in debt. They didn't have the resources in their own bank accounts to pay off that which they owed. But God was Beginning to unveil to his own, to. To Brother Copeland's spirit these truths of in Christ. And in the midst of this, God spoke to Brother Copeland and said, I want you to sow $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin's ministry. Now, if we were to think of that today, $50,000 is not a small amount. It's a significant amount of money. But think about it. In the 70s, we have one of the staff here who they went and they did. I don't. How do you say it today, in Today's money, what $50,000 would have been in the 70s is over $400,000. So that's what Brother Copeland would have heard to us. If God said to you, give over $400,000 to ministry, that's exactly the way Brother Copeland would have heard it in the 70s. That's how much it would have been in the currency of that time. And so instead of Brother Copeland mentally calculating, notice this. He didn't go to the mind when he heard God speak. Listen, when God speaks to you, he speaks to your spirit. So don't find your answer in your mind. Find your answer in your spirit. Because God didn't speak to your mind. He spoke to your spirit. So the answer has to come out of your spirit, not out of your mind. If you're going to move with God, God speaks to your spirit, your answer better come out of your spirit. Know that. And this is why many people stop short of advancing with God, because they hear God say something in their spirit and they try to answer out of their mind. And the answer's not equal to what God said in their spirit. But the skill of Brother Copeland, that he answered based on his spirit, he did not answer based on the mental arena, the reasoning arena. In the mental arena, he could have calculated and said, in my resources, I don't have $50,000. But God was not. When God said, I want you to give $50,000, and he didn't have it. So evidently God didn't intend to access his resources. You understand that if God says, do something, and you don't have that within your resources, God is offering you that. He is not asking you to empty yourself of that. He's asking you to receive of what he's offering you. So when God said to Brother Copeland, I want you to sow $50,000, then God was offering him $50,000. But see, at the natural mind of man thinks God's trying to get me to give $50,000 that I don't have. No, he's not. He's trying to get you to receive $50,000. He's offering you if you'll say yes. Now, if people say no, or they, let's say this, they don't say, no, I won't give it, but they fail to act on it. They might not have verbalized no, but their actions or lack of actions said no, that 50,000 won't come. And they'll say, see, I didn't have that to give. No, because you didn't agree. Once you agree, now the door is open for God to bring it. But until we agree, the door's closed. We can't receive what we don't agree. To notice that we can't receive what we don't agree to. You have to agree with the Word. You have to agree with what God says before he can manifest what he offers you. Now let me explain it to you this way. Years ago there was a woman that came up in Brother Hagin's, came up to him at the end of a service. He had been teaching on faith, teaching on healing in a series of meetings, and he had ministered to the sick. And a woman at the end of the week came up and said to him, she said, I want you to tell me something. Why is God healing other people but he won't heal me? And listen to what Brother Hagin said to her. He said, why won't you agree with God? Listen to that. She was blaming God as to why she wasn't receiving. And Brother Hagin wouldn't let her get by with that. Because God is never the blame. If we're not receiving, we're to receive. God is not withholding. He's already given. So he was saying to her, why won't you agree with God? How is she going to agree with God when she hears the Word preached that Brother Hagin was teaching that Jesus took our infirmities. He bare our sicknesses by his stripes. We are healed. You have to agree with that before you feel that. Because if you agree with that, then you'll feel that. But people want to feel it before they agree with it. But until we agree, God doesn't have permission to manifest what he has for us. Our agreer is either going to keep the door open or closed. If we fail to agree, God can't manifest it. If we will agree, God can manifest it. It's that simple. And Brother Hagin was telling the woman the reason, your body's not healed because you haven't agreed with him yet. Now see, she wanted to blame God and put it off on God. But he, Brother Hagin, had enough skill to recognize when you say, why won't God heal me? Well, first of all, you've accused God that he won't. But you're also saying you don't know that he has. And so Brother Hagin was saying, it's not about getting God to do something. It's about you agreeing with what he's already done. So when God said to Brother Copeland, I want you to sow $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin's ministry, what God was looking for was not $50,000. He was looking for agreement. Because if Brother Copeland would agree, God already had the resources planned to bring into his hands. Isn't that something? How many of you know your faith is just your agreement and your lack of faith means lack of agreement? How many knew that that faith was as easy as agreeing with what God said? That's all it is. When we agree with God, we say, I agree, I'm healed. We agree we are prosperous. Know this. So many in the body of Christ are trying to get money. They're trying to prosper. Why is that? They've got to flip the switch and say, I'm not trying to prosper. I am prosperous. I'm not prosperous because I have money. I'm prosperous because I'm in Christ. And in Christ, all my needs are met in Christ on my provision. And because I'm prosperous, the money must come. See, people are waiting for money to come to tell them they're prosperous. We're in Christ, and that tells us we're prosperous. So we say, because I'm in Christ, I am prosperous. Now, the money must come. The homes I need must come. The building I need must come. The property I need must come because I am prosperous. You understand that? It's not money that makes you rich. It's not homes, it's not cars, it's not things, it's not equipment, it's not buildings, it's not businesses that make you rich. It's you're rich in Christ. And because you're rich in Christ and you think, in Christ I'm rich. Now you tell things, they must come because in Christ I'm already provided for. And see, when people don't make that proper connection, they think that money showing up means they're prosperous. No, it's not money showing up because there are people who have more money than Christians and they're not prosperous. Why? Because it's not money that makes you prosperous. Why? Because people outside of Christ who have money have money. With sorrow in Christ, we have provision with no sorrow. Amen. The word tells us the blessing of the Lord maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it. When our provision comes because of the blessing of being in Christ, we have no sorrow joined to that prosperity. When the world is out earning money and they're acquiring money, they can look like they're prosperous. But what also was added to them? Sorrow. Sorrow came with what they earned. But what was gifted us in Christ came with no sorrow attached to it. Amen. And so we're not trying to wait for money to tell us we're prosperous. That's what brother Copeland, the skill of his answer. When God said to him, sow $50,000, he knew he did not have that in his own personal resources, so he didn't check his resources. And can I tell you this? When God commanded that of him, God didn't check brother Copeland's resources either. He didn't check his bank account. He checked. Was he in Christ? Yes, he's in Christ. What's that mean? Everything commanded us of God can be fulfilled as we agree with it in Christ. Now, Brother Copeland's answer that God said. When God said to him, I want you to sow $50,000 into Brother Hagin's ministry. This is the skill of brother Copeland's answer. He immediately said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it their skill. There is such the excellence of the answer of in Christ. Now, that's what I mean. When I started the top of this episode. Let us train ourselves to answer in Christ, I have this. In Christ, I can give this. In Christ, I'm strengthened for this. In Christ I have the wisdom that I. Let's learn to give ourselves the spiritual habit of putting in Christ into the. In the front of every answer. Now, what you can't say in Christ, I'm afraid, can't do it. In Christ, I'm fearful. Can't say that. Why? Because those. Those aren't linked to him. Let's say this. In Christ, I have no fear. In Christ, there is no doubt. See if you'll talk as one in Christ that pushes out everything that is not of Christ out of your speech. Because you can't talk. Doubt and talk in Christ can't do it. So let's give ourselves. How about. That's good homework for us, right? Let's put in place the habit of beginning everything. When God deals with us, let's answer as one in Christ. And we do that by the same answer Brother Copeland gave in Christ, I have it, and in Christ I can give it. What's that mean? No worries for Brother Copeland, no struggle for him, because he's fulfilling this in Christ, not outside of Christ. He's not fulfilling it in Kenneth Copeland. He's fulfilling it in Christ. So this is the skill of his answer. We need to have that same spiritual skill developed. You can't just decide and say, well, I'm going to do that. It also has to dawn on your spirit. But the more you'll answer that way, the more it will dawn on your spirit. Dad Hagin used to say this to us. You can school yourself into faith. What did he mean by that? He would say this. Even if you don't believe it, begin saying it. And once after, you just keep saying it over and over. One day, what you're saying will dawn on your spirit. And even if we're struggling with the phrase that Brother Copeland answered, in Christ I have that, and in Christ I can give that. Even if you struggle with it, go ahead and say it. Because it will help build in you an awareness that God's not requiring this of me. He has stocked everything in Christ he has for me, and he wants me to draw on that wealth, that treasure that is mine in Christ. Amen. So when we see this in Colossians, chapter two, verse three, it says, in Christ, all the treasures of divine wisdom and knowledge and enlightenment are stored up and lie hidden. What's that mean? Let's dive into the treasure box of who we are in Christ. How do we do that? With our words, with our response, with our actions. Now, when Brother Copeland answered and he said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it, he didn't stop there. This is where sometimes we can miss it if we're not careful. Confession of the Word is right. Confession of the Word is correct. But we make confessions so that it will lead us in knowing how to act, how to respond, how to move forward. We don't just sit back and say, in Christ I have it, and do nothing. Brother Copeland did not just say, in Christ I have $50,000, and in Christ I can give it, and just sit back and do nothing. He didn't do nothing. You know what he did? He gave an action. And the action he gave was very, if I could say this, almost insignificant in this realm. What he did, he just took the coins. That when he broke a dollar bill throughout the day and he was given change in coins at the end of every day, he would just throw those coins into a box. He didn't miss those coins. You know, he took something so small, it did not rob from his life. It didn't rob from his home. It didn't rob from his family, but it was an action. He took a step. And when he took those coins. See, God needs something to fill. He needs an action that he can fill himself with that action. So. Or. Or he can fill that action with himself, rather. So when Brother Copeland took those coins and threw it into a box, what was it? God's provision was meeting that action. So he filled up that box. And every time he would fill up that box with coins, he just send it in to Brother Hagin's ministry. After a period of time, he contacted the office because he didn't keep track of how much it was. And he just said he contacted the office one day at Brother Hagin's ministry and said, can you tell me how much I've sown? He says, I don't know how much I've given. And one of the. One of the men there said, brother Copeland, you've given well over $50,000. Now, this is what Brother Copeland said. He said, there's no way that over $50,000 of coins was sent in through me. But what was it when he took action? God made up the difference. Why In Christ, God was making up the difference. Everything that of that 50,000 did not come through Brother Copeland's hands. It came through in Christ. You say, I don't understand that. Neither do I. And we don't have to understand it. I don't understand how me saying I receive Jesus as the Lord of my life, I don't understand how that translates me from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God's dear Son. But I believe it. My heart can believe what my mind cannot calculate, what it cannot reason, what it cannot understand. Just like Brother Copeland giving coins, how did that ever total well over $50,000? I can't understand that. But it happened in Christ. The impossible happens in Christ. The impossible is outside of Christ, but the possible comes to pass in Christ. So when we give God an action, he fills that action with himself and it becomes something more than it was. You say, well, Pastor Nancy, is there scripture for that? What about Jesus holding five loaves and two fish before a multitude and it's not enough? Listen to that. Do you know Jesus faced moments where what he held was not enough, but what was in his spirit was more than enough? Because Jesus made this statement. The Father in me, he does the works. So when he held the five loaves and two fish ready to feed a multitude with something that was not enough. He was not looking at five loaves and two fish. His attention was on the Father in Me. He does the works. That's what when we answer in Christ, our attention goes to him who's doing the work through us. Not us doing the work, us just giving him an action that he can fill with himself. When Jesus held those five loaves and two fish, it was not enough in that form. But what did Jesus do when he held that? He looked up to pray. The Word says he looked to heaven. What's that mean? He put his attention off of what was not enough onto who was more than enough. So this is what in Christ does for us. It's to fill our awareness and our attention with he is more than enough for our situation. So Jesus is holding the five loaves, the two fish, but he's looking a different direction. When what you hold is not enough, it matters where you look at that moment. You cannot look at your own resources that are not enough and say, I can't pay my bills with this. You can't look at what's not enough. You have to look in Christ, I can do it in Christ, I have all that I need, in Christ, I have provision. You cannot look at the wrong place and receive the right flow. Jesus did not look at what was not enough. He looked at the one who was more than enough. And it says, he blessed it. Now look at this. He blessed what was not enough. And when they distributed that, it became more than enough in the distribution. So what's this mean? When your holding what's not enough, bless it, don't curse it. And when I say curse it, I'm not talking about speaking profanity. To speak different than the blessing is to speak the cursing. You understand that? To say something different than what God says. You're not speaking blessing, you're speaking cursing. So don't look at your checkbook, your finances, and say, I can't pay my bills. I've got a stack of bills and I don't have enough money going to pay the bills. You spoke cursing, you didn't speak blessing. You have to speak what God says. And you say this, you say, in Christ, I can pay these bills. In Christ, the money comes in Christ, my bills are paid on time. You have to take what is not enough and you have to speak blessing over it. Don't curse it by saying what it isn't. Bless it by saying what it is in Christ. And you say, that doesn't make sense? Isn't that glorious? Isn't that wonderful? It delivered you from living just out of the arena of reason. So Brother Copeland answered and said, in Christ, I have it. When you sit down to pay your bills, say, in Christ, I have more than enough to pay these bills. In Christ, I can pay everything on time. And in Christ, I'm free from debt. You keep saying it, and you keep saying it until it becomes revelation to your spirit. Amen. What's this mean? God offers us a life in the flow of Christ instead of a life outside the flow of Christ. So when we talk about in Christ, what we're talking about is the treasure of heaven, the treasure of what God put into Christ and said, now I give you Christ. Because when I give you Christ, I gave you all of heaven's blessings, all of heaven's treasure. Now go with me to Colossians, chapter two. And we were reading there, but let's go down to verse nine, Colossians chapter two, and verse nine. And I'm going to read out of the living Bible Translation, Colossians 2, verse 9. The Living Bible says this. For in Christ there is all of God in a human body. Listen to that. All of God in a human body. God didn't leave any of himself out of you. All of God in a human body, verse 10. So you have everything when you have Christ. Look at that. You have everything when you have Christ. And you are filled with God through your union with Christ. When you talk about in Christ, you're talking about union with Christ. You have everything in Christ because God made himself. He filled Christ with himself, then filled you with Christ. All of God in you. How can you ever do without? How can you ever struggle? You want to know how? By talking as one outside of Christ. So we are privileged now to change our speech, change our thinking. Quit letting seasons of past struggle fill our mouth. Quit letting seasons of past struggle cheat us of who we are. Now, I'm in Christ now. That means all of God is in me. All of all the provision of heaven is in me. And it's working for me. Therefore, the money I need must come. The home I need must come. The properties I need must come. Because in Christ, I'm rich. That's what you have to say. It's not money that makes you rich. It's Christ in you, making you rich, making you full. And don't limit that to finances. Every arena of life enriched because you're in Christ. Well, you don't want to miss it. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the Healer. God bless you.
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