Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne

Episode 844 | In Christ I Can, Part 84
Release Date: September 25, 2025
Podcast Host: Nancy Dufresne (Dufresne Ministries)

Episode Overview

In this installment of the “In Christ I Can” series, Nancy Dufresne dives into the profound truth of the believer’s identity, provision, and authority in Christ. Drawing from Colossians chapter 2, she teaches that true spiritual riches and wisdom are accessed by recognizing and agreeing with what belongs to every believer “in Christ.” Through practical stories, including testimonies from Kenneth Copeland and Kenneth Hagin, Nancy challenges listeners to shift their mindset from lack and striving to faithful agreement with God’s Word, speaking and acting as those who already possess heaven’s blessings.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Power and Presence Available in Christ

• Healing is present—not something to strive for but to receive (00:10).
  • “There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one… power is present. That power is there to do a work. Believe, and receive it right now from the top of your head to the soles of your feet.” (B, 00:12–00:27)
• Emphasis on being “thrilled with the Word” (00:36).
  • It’s not about emotional excitement but a dawning of understanding in the spirit.
  • “It's when you get thrilled with the Word that it works for you… when it dawns on your spirit.” (B, 00:37–00:47)

2. Understanding Spiritual Riches in Christ (Colossians 2)

• All the “treasures of divine wisdom… riches of spiritual knowledge” are hidden in Christ (01:30).
• To be spiritually rich is to possess the knowledge of what is ours in Christ—not just earthly things (01:48).
  • “What makes you rich? Having knowledge of what belongs to you. It belongs to the spirit man, what God’s doing in your spirit.” (B, 01:43–01:58)
• We are new creatures, a new species, “no longer the you you used to be… You’re the you in Christ.” (B, 02:17–02:26)

3. A Shift in Speech and Mindset: The “In Christ” Response

• Nancy challenges believers to make “in Christ” their standard confession (03:18).
  • Rather than focusing on personal lack (“in my finances, I can’t pay for that”), flip it—“In Christ, I can do this. That house is mine in Christ.”
  • “Let’s put in place the spiritual habit of answering in Christ: I can do this.” (B, 03:30–03:41)

4. Testimony of Kenneth Copeland: Acting on the Word

• Backdrop: In the 1970s, God asked Kenneth Copeland to sow $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin’s ministry—a huge sum, equivalent to $400,000 today (04:19–05:08).
• Copeland’s spiritual skill: He didn’t reason mentally, but answered from his spirit.
  • “When God speaks to you, he speaks to your spirit. So, don’t find your answer in your mind. Find your answer in your spirit.” (B, 05:15–05:32)
• The lesson: God isn’t asking you to give what you don’t have; He’s offering it if you agree (05:48–06:40).
  • “If God says, do something, and you don't have that within your resources, God is offering you that.” (B, 05:56–06:04)
• Agreement is the key; faith is as simple as saying yes to God’s word (07:23).
  • “Your faith is just your agreement, and your lack of faith means lack of agreement.” (B, 07:38–07:42)

5. Receiving by Agreement, Not by Striving

• Nancy illustrates with a story from Kenneth Hagin. A woman wondered why God healed others but not her; the answer: She simply didn’t agree with God’s Word (06:54).
  • “‘Why won’t you agree with God?’ [Hagin] wouldn't let her get by with that because God is never the blame.” (B, 07:04–07:10)
• “You have to agree with that before you feel that… Until we agree, God doesn’t have permission to manifest what He has for us.” (B, 07:06–07:21)

6. Our Prosperity and Needs Are Met In Christ

• Spiritual prosperity is not defined by external wealth. Provision flows from our union with Christ (09:38).
  • “I am prosperous… not because I have money, but because I’m in Christ. And in Christ, all my needs are met.” (B, 09:59–10:18)
• “You’re rich in Christ… And because you’re rich in Christ, you think ‘In Christ, I’m rich’, you tell things, they must come.” (B, 10:44–11:01)
• “With provision in Christ comes no sorrow, unlike the world.” (B, 12:05)

7. The Skill of the “In Christ” Answer

• The right response is not what you can do in your own strength (13:40).
  • “When God commanded that of him, God didn’t check Brother Copeland’s resources… Was he in Christ? Yes.” (B, 14:25–14:40)
• Brother Copeland’s immediate answer:
  • “In Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it.” (B, 15:01)
  • Nancy encourages listeners to school themselves into faith, even before fully believing; “keep saying it over and over, one day what you’re saying will dawn on your spirit.” (B, 16:05–16:16)

8. Taking Action—Faith and Works Together

• Confession must move us to action; don’t just say it, do something (17:13).
  • Copeland started putting spare coins in a box—an action small but significant (17:34). Eventually, he gave “well over $50,000,” showing how God can fill our small actions with His abundance.
  • “God needs something to fill… When Brother Copeland took those coins and threw it into a box, God’s provision was meeting that action.” (B, 17:54–18:13)
• Miracles occur “in Christ” even when we do not logically understand them. “The impossible happens in Christ.” (B, 19:28–19:40)

9. Multiplication Story: Jesus Feeding the Multitude

• Jesus’ example: Five loaves and two fish—not enough, but He looked to God, blessed it, and it became more than enough (19:51–22:30).
  • “When what you hold is not enough, it matters where you look at that moment.” (B, 21:23)
• Don’t curse what’s not enough by speaking lack—speak blessing and acknowledge what you have in Christ (22:09–22:44).

10. Living the Flow of Christ’s Fullness

• Colossians 2:9–10: “For in Christ there is all of God in a human body… so you have everything when you have Christ.” (23:38)
• “Quit letting seasons of past struggle fill our mouth… I’m in Christ now. That means all of God is in me.” (B, 25:01–25:15)
• “Don’t limit that to finances: every arena of life is enriched because you’re in Christ.” (B, 26:36–26:45)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On speaking and agreeing with God’s Word:

  “Your faith is just your agreement, and your lack of faith means lack of agreement.”
  — Nancy Dufresne, (07:38)

• On prosperity in Christ:

  “I am prosperous… not because I have money but because I’m in Christ.”
  — Nancy Dufresne, (09:59)

• Brother Copeland’s skillful answer:

  “In Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it.”
  — Nancy Dufresne recounting Copeland, (15:01)

• On acting on faith:

  “When Brother Copeland took those coins and threw it into a box, God’s provision was meeting that action.”
  — Nancy Dufresne, (17:54)

• On multiplying the insufficient:

  “When what you hold is not enough, bless it, don’t curse it… In Christ, I can pay these bills. In Christ, the money comes.”
  — Nancy Dufresne, (22:09)

Important Timestamps

• 00:10 — God’s power present to heal
• 01:30 — All treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in Christ
• 03:18 — Make “in Christ” your new standard confession
• 05:15 — God speaks to your spirit, not your mind
• 07:04 — Story of the woman who “won’t agree with God”
• 10:44 — True spiritual prosperity and provision in Christ
• 15:01 — Copeland’s “in Christ” answer
• 17:34 — Taking action: the box of coins
• 19:51 — Jesus feeding the multitude; focus on God’s sufficiency
• 23:38 — Colossians 2:9–10, fullness of God in Christ, and in you

Summary Takeaways

• Faith and Provision come by agreement with what’s already provided “in Christ”—not by striving, but by transforming our thinking, speaking, and acting.
• Miracles flow from taking even small actions in faith, allowing God to “fill” those actions with His abundance.
• Believers are called to reframe every need, challenge, and goal: “In Christ I have it. In Christ I can do it.”
• Spiritual wealth is not in possessions, but in the fullness of Christ living in the believer, enriching every aspect of life—without the sorrow that comes with worldly gain.
• The practice: Speak and act as “in Christ.” School your spirit to agree, act, and respond from that union, until it “dawns on your spirit” as revelation.

“Jesus is the Healer.” — Nancy Dufresne (26:47)