← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now. I receive it right now from the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the healer. And we are in the midst of a wonderful series on teaching who we are in Christ. And the title of the series is In Christ I Can. And it goes back, really. The beginning of it was when God spoke to me about teaching this direction. And I was reminded of a testimony that Brother Copeland gave. He was talking about how in the 1970s, that he was just learning. Him and Sister Gloria were just learning about the truths of prosperity, the laws of faith. And God spoke to them even though they were financially at a point of being in debt at that time, God spoke to Brother Copeland and said, I want you to sow $50,000 into the ministry of Kenneth Hagin. Now, you think about it, $50,000 is a lot today, but you can imagine in the 70s, that's a sizable amount. And here, brother and Sister Copeland were in debt. And I love the skill of the answer that Brother Copeland gave when God said that to them. And he said this, he said, in Christ I have it, and in Christ I can give it. When I heard that testimony, it just opened up a large room for me because I saw that we can answer based on the resources of heaven instead of based on our own resources. Now, listen, Brother Copeland did not first go to his own resources before he gave the answer because he knew in his own resources he couldn't do it. But when God said, I want you to sow $50,000 to Kenneth Hagin's ministry, basically, God was offering Brother Copeland a flow he had not been in. He was offering him $50,000 to sow. Listen, God, the word tells us God gives seed to the sower. Now, if you already had all the seed, why would he need to give you seed so many times? You'll find out. God would command you to Sow something that you don't think you have, no, you don't have it, but he has it to give to you so that you can sow. Now, I've found this out about God. He waits for your agreement before he moves. And so if Brother Copeland would have not agreed until $50,000 showed up for him to sow, then he would have never received $50,000, because God has to have our agreement. And then when we agree, then the provision for what we agreed to shows up. And so Brother Copeland, he made that statement of agreement in Christ. I have it. Now. Listen to that. He knew that if God is telling him to do that, that it was possible. But it's only possible in Christ. It's not possible outside of Christ. Outside of Christ, all Brother Copeland would have had was his own resources to draw on. But in Christ, he had the treasure box of heaven to draw on. And so this is what I so appreciated about the skill of his answer in Christ. I have it. Now we need to start looking at whenever we're faced with opposition, when we're faced with something that is beyond us, then we start drawing on who's in us. And that's why I so appreciate his answer, because he immediately went to, in Christ, this can happen. So we need to start giving ourselves the spiritual habit of answering based on, in Christ, I can buy that home. In Christ, I can have that building. In Christ, I can have that property. The key is this. Brother Copeland gave the answer once he heard what God said. Now, this is what we need to be skillful at, is hearing what God says. Then we'll know what God is offering to do through us. Now, this is key to really a life in the spirit and living as one in Christ is. You have to hear from God. Now, we know in Acts, chapter 17 and verse 28, it says, in him we live and move and have our being. So notice this. In him we live. Look at the next one. In him, we move. What's that mean? We hear movements that we're to make from him, that we allow him to direct us. And when we move in line with how heaven is directing us, now we know what has already supplied us with. Because heaven will not direct us towards something we're not supplied for. So when heaven said to Brother Copeland, I want you to sow $50,000, that's what was in the supply for Brother Copeland. $50,000 so that he could sow it. So notice this. God said to Abraham, I have made thee a father of many nations. God said that to Abraham when he was childless. But notice Lot, who was Abraham's nephew and for a period of time was living with Abraham. God never said to Lot, I've made you a father of many nations. See, we have to know what is God saying to us about our life. Once we hear what God says to us, that's because he intends to. To fulfill it through us that he does the work of fulfilling it. So when God said to Brother Copeland, I want you to sow $50,000, God was not intending Brother Copeland to take his resources, come up with the resources and do that. God was offering him $50,000 that would come through his hands to sow. And then once you sow it, then God gives you a harvest on what God provided. It's an amazing system of blessing, right? So when Brother Copeland said, I have it, and in Christ I can give it, I saw in a moment, outside of Christ, he didn't have it. Outside of Christ, he never could have given it. Well, I want you to know, in Christ, you're healed. In Christ, there's no pain. In Christ, there's no symptoms. In Christ, there's nothing impossible. Outside of Christ is where symptoms are. Outside of Christ is where disease thrives. Outside of Christ is where things are full of impossibility. So know this. We are authorized to speak based on who we are in Christ. And we're no longer, we don't have to anymore, talk about outside of Christ. So if there's pain in your body, then you're authorized to get outside of the place. Let me just say it this way. To not talk as one outside of Christ, but to talk as one in Christ. So in the face of pain, you can say, in Christ there is no pain. And you're not lying. That's not a falsehood. Because in Christ there is no pain. It's outside of Christ where pain is. So talk as one in Christ and what will happen. Every part of your being will begin to experience what's in Christ instead of what's outside of Christ. Because the devil wants to get you. He wants to push on your life in ways that you will start thinking of outside of Christ. He wants you to measure your body instead of paying attention to what God says about your body. He wants you to take counsel from your body instead of taking counsel from the Word of God. Well, if the Word says I'm healed, I'm healed. I don't let my body talk me out of what God said. If God says he's my provider, I don't let unpaid bills tell Me that I'm going to fail financially. I don't take counsel from something that needs God. I take my counsel from God, and I apply that counsel to what needs God. Does that make sense to you? And so many times people are waiting for things to line up before they respond to what God says. Well, Brother Copeland, when he heard God say to sow that money, he said, in Christ I have it. In Christ, I can give it. And he immediately took action. What was that action is he just took coins. When he would break a dollar bill throughout the day, he would take the leftover change and he would put it in a box. Well, that's nothing, really, that his family would miss. That's not a hardship. That's not God taking and depriving him of something. But what did he do? He took action. It really doesn't matter how great the action is, the just give God movement, because he brings the greatness to the action. And so after a period of time, Brother Copeland would fill up that box and he would mail it into Kenneth Hagin's ministry. And he did that several times afterwards. He had no idea how much he'd given. And he contacted their office and said, can you tell me how much I've sown? And he had sown well over $50,000. And brother Copeland said, There's no way that $50,000 in change came through my hands. Can you imagine how that would have to be for. For it to amount to $50,000? But when he was sowing and making movement with what he did have, then God multiplied it. In the sowing, the word says, he will multiply your seed sown. Look at that. When you're in the action of sowing it, that's when the action of multiplication takes place. You say, pastor Nancy, that doesn't make sense. I can't figure that out. I know, right? That's exactly right. Because this is beyond the reasoning realm. It's beyond the mental arena. This is in the realm of God. Now, do we have any kind of testimony in the scripture that would show that this is true? Well, what about when the little boy offered Jesus the lunch of five loaves and two fish to feed a multitude with? Jesus took what was not enough. He looked up to heaven, he blessed it, and then he broke that five loaves and two fish and distributed it to the disciples. And in the distribution, it became more than enough. What was it Jesus was holding what wasn't enough. But whenever he released his faith in God and he started distributing what was not enough, it became more Than enough. That's what Brother Copeland was doing. That when he took coins that were not enough and he just began distributing it, sowing it into his ministry. The multiplication miracle went into play. And it became more than he ever gave. Is God a counterfeiter? No, He's a multiplier. And so know this, that when God commands something of your life, it's because he's in. He's offering to do something through you. Now you can agree or you can disagree. It's up to you. He won't force you into a flow that he offers you. But when he gives you a command, he's offering to do that through you. He's not telling you to bring it out of your own life, out of your own resources. All he wants is your faith, which is your agreement. And he also wants your obedience. He needs an action for you to take. Well, when Brother Copeland began sowing that, it multiplied and became more than enough. Now this is why we talk about In Christ. I have this because when you have pain in your body, but you start saying, in Christ there is no pain. How many of you know Christ is not in pain, right? I mean, his body is not in pain. So when you start talking about, wait a minute, I'm in Christ, I'm going to talk about Him. I'm going to talk about his body, because I'm in Christ, he's in me. And so I'm going to say, in the face of pain, thank God, I'm in Christ, and in Christ there is no pain. That is not lying. That is talking about who you are in Him. And when you start talking about who you are in him, then the Christ in you is able to fulfill that which you spoke. You are not obligated to keep acknowledging anything that's outside of Christ. Only learn to acknowledge what's in Christ you will never do without. When you talk about in Christ, In Christ, all your bills are paid in Christ, all. All that you need to for your provision is supplied outside of Christ is unpaid bills outside of Christ is lack. But in Christ there is no lack. So this is what the believer is on authorized to talk about. I'm in Christ. And there's nothing unpaid in Christ. There's nothing that falls behind financially in Christ. In Christ, I have all the provision I need and God brings it to pass. It's not money that makes you prosperous. It's because you're in Christ and He is the treasure box of heaven. When God planned a plan, he formed a plan for your life. That plan is going to require resources, it's going to require supply. God formed a plan for your life, authored a plan for your life. And then he saw everything that plan would need and he put it in Christ. And now he says, now go fulfill My plan. Because in Christ is the, is the, is the reserve, the resources, the supply for everything you're going to need to fulfill the plan. So no matter what you come up against, whenever you're fulfilling the plan of God, you can say, this plan is fulfilled in Christ. All the resources I need, all the supply I need. Now, if someone were to hand you a large sum of money, but you didn't know what the plan of God was, you're in lack because it's not money that is your, that's your prosperity. It's the plan of God, that's your prosperity. His supply is attached to his plan. So because you are in Christ, Christ is in you. He is the hope of glory. Everything you're going to need in this life is in the glory. And then the glory is in him. And then he is in us. It's an amazing divine system. So we are authorized to say, in Christ, I have this. In Christ, I'll never do without healing again. In. In Christ, I'll never do without supply again. In Christ, I'll never do without peace and joy again. Because all of it, he is stocked with everything good. Now this is what we have to learn though. Get our talk away from what's outside of Christ. Start talking as one. In Christ, when God says for you to do something, tells you to do something immediately. Say, in Christ, I can do that. Because God would not offer it to you and not offer Himself to perform it through you. So God gave a plan for your life. He stalked your spirit with that plan. And then he stalked the plan and says, now spend me if you will. Put a demand on Him. Put a demand on the greater one. He will fulfill it through you. Why? He doesn't want to leave you out of it. Because he wants to reward you for being a channel that he flows through. Through. So it's an amazing system because he fulfills it, then turns around and rewards us for fulfilling it. And it was him doing it all along. All we were was the channel. So Jesus did the same thing when he was in his earthly life. He never did without. But when he was holding what was not enough, he just drew on the greater one to show us how to do it. So know this. You are authorized to say, in Christ, I'm healed. In Christ, I'm whole. In Christ, all the symptoms are gone. Even if you see. If you see things that are wrong in your body, if you're feeling things that are wrong in your body, the devil says you're lying. No, I'm not. Because I'm talking about who I am in him I refer. I refuse to talk about outside of Christ. And so this is what we must give ourself. The spiritual habit answering based on who we are in Christ. And this is the renewed mind. The renewed mind talks about the new man we are in Christ. Listen, it's the. It's an unrenewed mind that says, well, I've still got pain, yes, but in Christ there's health, in Christ there's wholeness. So faith gets to talk about in Christ. And we're redeemed from having to think of ourselves or talk of ourselves and is outside of Christ. Pain is outside of Christ and I'm not there. I'm in Christ where there's no pain. I'm in Christ where there is no disease. I'm in Christ where there's no sickness. That's my place. And if you will talk that and keep talking that, it will rewire the way you think. And when you think right, what happens? The door is shut to the devil where he cannot keep working against your life in the way he used to listen. Every, every aspect of our walk with God needs our agreement. But I want you to know every aspect that the devil tries to work against our life needs our agreement. And so the devil can't do anything against us without our agreement. When you say, well, I never agreed for the devil to do this or the devil to do that, well, if we are not resisting him, just failing to resist the devil is the devil's permission to stay. Just failing to fight the good fight of faith. The devil will take it, try to take advantage of us. And so sometimes we have an open door to the devil just because we're ignorant, we don't know what he's endeavoring to work against us. And we end up not, not mounting guard over our life the way we should, not being as vigilant as we should. But I want you to know when you recognize in Christ there's no sickness in Christ there's no disease, there's no pain and I refuse to have it in my body. Heaven will back you up because the greater one is on the inside of you to manifest what you say when you talk about who you are in Christ. Heaven manifests that if you talk about outside of Christ where there's failure where there's difficulty, where there's strife, where there's fear, where there's sorrow, Heaven can't manifest that because that's not the flow of heaven. So the one we're talking about the flow we're talking about is the one who will move. If we talk about the flow of God, God moves. We talk about the flow of outside of Christ, we talk about the flow of defeat, we talk about the flow of opposition, then that's what will move. We have to rewrite the story of our life by paying attention to what we say. And that's why I so, so appreciate Brother Copeland's answer. In Christ, I have it. So when God commands something of you, go there first. In Christ, I can do that. Well, that's exactly what we're told in Philippians. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Notice this. It's not all things randomly, but it's all things he tells me to do. If he tells me to do it, I can do it. Because the one who's in me who spoke for me to do that is also supplied himself to perform it through me. Amen. So we have to learn to go to that place and answer in Christ, I have this. In Christ, I can pay for that. In Christ, I can buy that. If God says, that's my property, that's my property. Pastors, this is how you get the buildings you need for your church. Traveling ministers, this is how you get the equipment you need for your ministry. If God tells you to do something, in Christ, I have that. If God says, that's my property, that's my property. And in Christ, I have that property. It's not money that gives it to me. God gives it to me through what he says. And I agree with it. I love something that one minister says. He says that God didn't ask me to pay for it. He asked me to believe for it. Well, that's exactly right. Because in Christ, I believe it's already provided. And so when I talk about what's in Christ, what's in Christ begins to flow. What's in Christ begins to come into manifestation. And it changes things around me. So if something needs changing, don't talk about how it's going wrong. Talk about what in Christ that situation looks like. In Christ, my marriage is peaceful. In Christ, my marriage is happy. In Christ, my children are saved. In Christ, my children are fulfilling the plan of God. In Christ, my body works without any pain. In Christ, there's no disease. In my body. In Christ, all my bills are paid in Christ, I'll never be behind again. When you talk about in Christ, that's the flow you move into. And I will say this. I heard one minister say this, and I like it. They said, a silent Christian is a failing Christian. You have to talk about what belongs to you. Amen. What is it? The Word says that we are, we are to confess, we're to profess what he says. And so when we agree with what God says through our own mouth, through our own words, then what we're doing, we're opening the door for God to work. Because what we confess, God performs as long as it's in agreement with His Word. Now, if we confess outside of Christ, that's what the devil performs, but in Christ, that's what God performs. You have so much more in Christ than you have outside of Him. So don't live on the less than flow by living life just based on you and yourself and your abilities. But you have him to draw on. Amen. Well, while we were speaking in this episode, I could sense that tangible healing anointing come in my hand. Well, what's that for? That's for people who are in need. I want you to know that healing is God's advertisement of his love for humanity. And God so loves you. He does not want you to be in pain. He doesn't want you to have disease. He doesn't want you to be suffering. And do you know that if you look at the people that Jesus and the 12 disciples ministered to in the. In that book of Acts, in the four gospels that tell of Jesus earthly ministry, do you know that some of them were not even Jews and Jews that were not that didn't believe in healing, that didn't really understand Jesus message. But know this. The Old Testament saints weren't born again. So all of those people that Jesus ministered to weren't born again. Know that healing flowed for people who weren't born again. Why? Because healing is offered to anyone who will receive it. Anyone who will receive it. And so I want you to know if it belongs to anyone who will receive it, how much more it belongs to the people that that God has in his family, that when you're a child of God, it belongs to you. And healing is the flow of the love of God, advertising how much he loves people. And so right where you're at and you say, pastor Nancy, I have pain in my body. I've been dealing with symptoms. I've been dealing with all kinds of conditions. I want you to know that God's power. Healing power is not just so you'll feel better, but it's to make you whole and put it back as though your body had never been sick. So right where you're at, I want to release my faith with you. I want to pray with you, and you reach your hand out in my direction. If you're watching a television, you might want to touch the screen. Whatever you do, release your faith with me. Father, I thank you for the healing power of God. And as we so often say in the opening of this broadcast, there's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one. Father, we believe in your power. Your power is in us. Your power is around us. Your power is everywhere we are. So we speak for that power to go into your body in Jesus name. We speak for sickness to leave your body, pain to leave your body, symptoms leave your body, disease leave your body and you take your hands, Satan, off of God's property. We belong to Christ. Christ belongs to us. And that power makes us whole. For in Christ there is no pain. In Christ there is no disease. And we say, we are in Christ. And so we hold our words in line with who we are in Him. And we thank you that because we're in Christ, we have no more pain, we have no more symptoms, no more disease. And you say, but Pastor Nancy, I can still feel it. No, no, no. We're talking about in Christ, not outside of Christ. Amen. Faith talks about who you are in Christ. So we want you to let us know what God did for you. Contact us. Let us know how God's power is working in your life and working in your body. Amen. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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