← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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I receive it right now from the.
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Top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet.
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The soles of my feet.
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Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the Healer. And we're continuing in the series we've been on called in I Can and we've been talking about that. We don't have to talk God into giving us anything because there's nothing he has withheld from us that he has given us. All things that pertain to life and godliness is what Peter wrote. He has already given us. Look at this. All things that pertain unto life and godliness. Well, where did he put them? He put them in Christ. And then he put Christ in us, and he put us in Christ. So know this. Everything God intended for you to have, everything God dreamed of you having, everything God wanted for you to have, he provided it and put it in Christ. And then he says, now you draw on the Christ in you, put him to work for you. And so we're not talking God into giving us something. We're not trying to coerce God into supplying something. We're not pulling on Him. If I could say this to manipulate him by our tears or telling him a hardship story, no, he's withheld nothing. Because when we have Christ, As Colossians, chapter 2, verse 9 and 10 says, when you have Christ, you have everything. Because Jesus is the treasure box that contains the glory of God, contains all the supply of heaven, everything you need for your life. And then God put us in. In Christ, and he put the treasure box of Christ in us. And now we can spend him by faith. And this is what we've been talking about the last couple of episodes is our part of faith, which is to partake of what we possess in Christ. Just because we possess something in Christ doesn't mean we're partaking of it. And I don't. I know you're like me. You don't want to get to heaven one day and say this. Look at what I didn't partake of that I possessed. I don't want to get there and wish I would have known more or wish I would have done more. Everything I'm ever going to need to fulfill the plan of God is in Christ. But it takes our faith for us to lay hold of it. And if I could say this, reach past opposition with our hand of faith and lay hold of what is ours in Christ and become a partaker of what we possess. We don't want to leave anything unaccessed that is ours. We have been making some statements that are important for you to hold to, and that is this receiving from God is easy. Receiving what he's already made yours in Christ. It is so easy. It is not hard. If we approach it as hard, we'll treat it hard. And then it becomes something it's not. It becomes hard when it's not hard. It is easy. And somebody will say, well, Pastor Nancy, I know I've released my faith for something, and it doesn't manifest and doesn't manifest. So we start thinking of it as hard. Well, if something seems to be delayed in manifesting, it's not on God's side. It's because you have an enemy and the devil wants to make you think that what you possess in Christ doesn't flow for you as it ought to. But I want you to know everything that's made yours in Christ is still yours. And it is our privilege to hold fast to what is ours in the face of adversity. We. We would not be told in the word of God to hold fast if we didn't have an enemy. It's not God who is slow in manifesting. It just means we have an enemy that wants to rob from us everything that God has already made ours in Christ. And it says in First Thessalonians, chapter 5 and verse 21, it says, prove all things. Then look at the next phrase. Hold fast that which is good. How many of you know it's only good that has been made ours in Christ. And so we are to hold fast that it's already ours. And with our faith, we're going from possessors to partakers so that it will manifest for us. I want to tell you a testimony that really illustrates this so well. When we're releasing our faith and we're holding fast to something, that means we cannot have a confession that changes or that vacillates, there will arise when we release our faith, for example, if we're believing God for healing, and you say, I see that in Christ, I am made whole. In Christ, there's no pain. In Christ, there's no disease. In Christ, there's no sickness. Outside of Christ is where there's pain, sickness and disease. But we're not outside of Christ. We. We are in Christ. And so we refuse to allow symptoms and pain and disease to continue because we are redeemed from that. And in Christ I become a partaker of wholeness. And now we can say, in Christ I'm whole. But if symptoms come and we go, well, I thought I was whole. I guess I'm not. Well, see, we can't vacillate or change in our confession. If we change in our confession that that's why symptoms will persist. We have to hold fast to our confession. I remember one testimony that was given by Brother Norval Hayes. Now, Brother Norval Hayes was a traveling minister that he was used mightily in the areas of healing, teaching faith, the worship of God. And there were so many people that were healed under his ministry. But it began in his own household. When he first started learning the truths of faith. His own daughter had growths on her hand. She had, I believe, 47 growths that were on her hands. And he said they would go to the doctor and get them removed. And they weren't supposed to come back, but they would come back in multiplied fashion. And so he was walking through the house and he would, on a daily basis as he'd walk through his house, he would say, God, heal my daughter. Heal her hands. And he was just asking God to do that for him. And so he just kept at it. He went for months asking God to heal his daughter. And one day as he was walking through his living room, he said, I took one step in the living room and the next step I took, I was in heaven. And he says, I don't know how to describe it other than that. But he said, I found myself in heaven and Jesus was standing in front of me. And he said, how long are you going to put up with those growths on your daughter's body? Now listen to what Jesus said. How long are you going to put up with it? Now, see, Brother Norval, in his praying, he was asking God to do something. But Jesus was saying, it's not about getting God to do something. It's about how long are you going to put up with it. So that was new for Brother Norville to hear something like that. Because in his denomination he was taught to just ask God Ask God. Ask God because. Because it's all on God's side to do something. But listen, God already did something. He put everything that pertains to life and godliness, he made it ours and he put it in Christ and then he put Christ in us. So God already did something. In the New Testament, the emphasis is not trying to get God to do something. That was what the Old Testament prayers did. The saints, when they would pray, they were trying to get God to do something for them. They. But the emphasis of the New Testament is it's already done and completed in Christ and Christ is in me. Now I can spend and draw on by faith everything that I possess in Christ and I can become a partaker of that. So this is what really brother Norville was hearing for the first time that he was trying to get God to do something. And Jesus was saying, it's not about getting God to do something. It's about how long are you going to put up with that? And so he said he didn't understand that. And he said, I don't understand that. And Jesus said, how long are you going to put up with those growths on your daughter's body? And so basically Jesus was teaching him, it's not about getting God to do something. It's about you taking your faith and telling the devil to take his hands off your daughter's body. So he comes out of that divine experience, that supernatural experience, and now he's back in his living room and his daughter is in her bedroom. She's in there with a friend. And he said, I got ready to walk into her room and said, the devil said, oh, don't go in there and embarrass her in front of her friend. So he says, I walked right in there. He recognized the devil did not want him to apply that revelation that he got from Jesus. He walked in there and, and he put his hands on his daughters and set on his daughter and said, I curse those growths on your hands in Jesus name. They must dry up, they must leave. And I call you healed in Jesus name. Then he turned around and walked out. Now you would think that because he had that supernatural divine experience of going to heaven that the manifestation would be immediate. But it wasn't. Because it's not about how long it takes something to manifest. It's about us holding fast to what God said. So for the next 40 days, Brother Norval would say every day, thank you that my daughter's healed. I thank you that the power of God is working in her. And she is made whole. Now, see, if you looked at her hands, it looks like it's not true. But if you look at in Christ, you know it's already true. And this is what faith talks about. Faith is talking about in Christ. It's not talking about outside of Christ. It's not talking about those growths that were outside of Christ. But it talks about in Christ there are no growths. And so for the next 40 days, Brother Norville, every day just thank God that his daughter's hands were healed. He said on the 40th day, his daughter was cleaning out her closet and she had taken all the hanging clothes out of her closet, was laying them on the bed, going through ones she wanted to keep or one she was going to give away. And she's loading them back in and she. And all of a sudden he heard her scream and he ran in there. And she said, daddy, she said, when I put one dress on the. You know, to hang up in the closet, she said I could still see the growths on my hand. But she said when I picked up the next thing and went to put it on there they were completely disappeared. Well, you can imagine how startling that was to her. And she said they were completely gone. But see, it was 40 days. What did Brother Norval have to do from the time he first spoke to those gross until the time it manifested? He had to hold fast. That's the job of faith. We say what God says and we don't come off of it. If we. If we will learn to hold fast, we will become a partaker of everything we possess in Christ. But if we don't hold fast, then we will be duped. And we will let go of what belongs to us in Christ and enjoy our privileges as we ought. So that's one illustration of what it means to hold fast to your confession of faith. He's confessing that his daughter is healed, even when it doesn't look like it. Why? Because you're not talking about this realm. You're talking about the in Christ realm. The faith realm, the spirit realm, God's realm. That's what faith talks about. It's the unrenewed mind that talks about this natural realm. But it's the renewed mind that talks about the faith realm, the God realm, the in Christ realm. So talk about who you are in Christ. In Christ there's no pain. In Christ, there's no depression. In Christ, there's no bondages. In Christ, there's no addictions. You are to talk about in Christ, don't Talk about outside of Christ. We've lived with that outside of Christ mess. It's been too long. Now we're living as one in Christ, and we have to apply our faith, join our faith to what has been made ours in Christ so that it can come into manifestation. Although it's ours in Christ, it won't come into manifestation automatically. It's faith that opens the door for God to manifest what he has made ours in Christ. Now, one of my favorite testimonies that illustrates this was the testimony of Brother Hagin. Kenneth Hagin was the spiritual father to my husband and I for decades. And if you don't know about Brother Hagin's story, many of you will know his testimony. But if you've never heard of his testimony, he was born with an incurable heart condition. And by the time he was 15, he ended up on his deathbed. The doctor said, there's no one that's been in your condition that's ever lived past the age of 15. So when he was 15, he ended up on his deathbed, and he ended up dying. And he found himself going to hell. But every time before he would approach the gates of hell, that there would be a voice that would speak from above, and his spirit would come back out of that place. It had not gone through the gates yet, but he would be drawn back up into the earth and go back into his body. And the third time that he was drawn back out of that place and in his body, and he was praying the prayer of salvation. And he got saved that day. But when he got saved, he still had all the physical conditions that was plaguing him. Not only did he have an incurable heart condition, but he was deformed throughout his entire chest cavity. Things were not in their proper place. He told the doctor, he said, when I take a drink of water, he said, I don't feel it go through, go down to my stomach. He said, I feel it go throughout my entire chest area. He could feel it moving and going through different places. And he said, why do I feel that? And the doctor said, your chest cavity, that which is inside, is deformed. It's not formed right. So he had an incurable heart condition. He had deformed chest cavity. And then he said he also had an incurable blood disease. Brother Hagin said he thought from the description of it that it was something like leukemia. So he had three terminal conditions. Here he is, 15 years old, but while he's laying on his deathbed, God begins to teach him about healing. God begins to teach him about faith. But the first thing he taught him about was the sin of worry. You cannot worry about your body. And so he began recognizing that the sin of worry was robbing from him. And so he committed to God, I'll not worry another day. Now you can think about it if you're on your deathbed. And he said at that time, he didn't know everything that was wrong with him. The doctors had not told him, but God was teaching him, don't worry about it. Why? Because worry is nothing but the offspring of fear and doubt. When fear and doubt get together, they produce an offspring called worry. And Jesus said, take no thought for your life. What is that? He's saying, don't worry about your life. Because if we're worried about something, then that means we're trying to fix it. But if. What's the word say if we're not going to worry about it? It says, casting all your care on him, for he cares for you. So what are we to do? A situation that we cannot fix, we are to cast it into his hands. And while it's in his hands, he can fix it. But if we're worrying about it, that's a sign that it's in our hands. And if it's in our hands, he can't work on it because we're holding onto it. So this is the first thing that God taught dad Hagin as a young boy on that deathbed, to repent of the sin of worry. Did you know worry is a sin? Why? Because Jesus said, take no thought for your life. He says, don't do it. And so if we do something the Word says not to do, then that's a sin, because that's disobedience. So brother Hagin recognized the sin of worry. And he said, I will stop worrying. I commit to God that I'll not ever worry again. But I cast the care of my body over on you. Well, when he did that, he stopped the sin of worry. He said that every day he was having anywhere from five to eight heart attacks a day. But he said, when I repented of the sin of worry, he said, all the heart attack, all the heart attacks stopped. So he began to see a measure of physical change when he stopped that sin of worry. After he stopped that, God brought him into further revelation. He did not know that divine healing was even available to him. So God began to unfold to him, you can be healed. And he began to find scriptures that let him know he could be healed. And Mark 11:23, 24 was part of that. Mark 11:24 says that what things ever you desire when you pray, believe that you receive them and you shall have them. So he begins getting revelation of that verse that he was to believe that he was to receive healing even before his body would testify to that healing. He was to believe he was healed because God said it, not because his body showed it. Now, see, that's what faith deals with. Faith is believing what God says, regardless of what this natural realm shows. That's faith. God said it. That's what we're. That's what we agree to. So don't let what you see of circumstances talk you out of believing what God said. When you're believing God for a miracle, all you can be fixed on is what God said, don't be fixed on, or have your attention on what circumstances are challenging you. So brother Hagin on his deathbed, began to realize that healing was provided for him. And so by faith, he chose to receive it. When he did that, and that was on a particular day, he began to see the revelation that he was to believe he was healed before he saw any evidence of it. And so while he said, I believe I receive healing even while my body is paralyzed, he was paralyzed from the waist down. He could not get up and walk around. But the Holy Ghost said, now you believe you're healed. And he said, yes, I believe I'm healed. And the Holy Ghost said, well, anybody at 10:30 in the morning ought to be up and out of bed. So it was 10:30 that morning. And so he recognized that God was directing him by the spirit of God, since you're healed, get up and out of bed. And so he said, when I made a movement to get out of bed, and he said, my legs still didn't support me. So he said, so I reached around the bedpost and I hung onto it with my upper body. And he said, and my body just started sinking like low to the ground. And he said, while I was there just holding to the bedpost, he said, I raised a hand toward heaven and said, I believe that I receive my healing from the top of my head to the soles of my feet. And he said he felt what felt like warm honey that hit him in the top of his head, went all the way down over his body. And he said, at the time it reached the end of his feet, he said, I was standing up straight and praising God. So not only was his heart healed, that deformed chest cavity was healed, and the incurable blood disease was healed all in a Moment. Why? Because he had already been healed in Christ, but his faith laid hold of it. When did his faith lay hold of it? When he confessed it. When he said what God said instead of saying what his body said. If you talk about your body, it will rob from you what God has made yours in Christ because you're healed in Christ. Your body is not the source of your healing. Don't check your body in Christ is the source of your healing. Check what God says. And so Brother Hagin went back to his high school. He was completing going through his high school years. And he said for the next 90 days, he said there was a battle going on. He said I'd be sitting in class, and all of a sudden I'd go blind. Sitting in class, he said I couldn't see anything in front of me. Then he said then my eyesight would come back and he would just hold fast. But he said, I noticed that my heart started giving me trouble again. And he said he had to walk to school every day. Now, you can imagine someone who's been bedfast. He was bedfast for 16 months. But he said during the time that he was bedfast, he lost down his weight to 89 pounds. So he was just skeletal. But he said by the time he would walk to school and get to the classroom, he said his heart would be getting in trouble. And he said people would say, well, does your heart give you any more trouble? And he said, well, yes. But he said, but I'm up by faith. And so he recognized, though, that his. His. His strength began failing him. Conditions started coming back. And he said, wait a minute, what did I do at the time I was raised up that I'm not doing now? And he recognized he was changing his confession. He was saying to God, I believe I'm healed. But when someone would ask him how he felt, he would talk about his body instead, about what God said. And he recognized because he was changing his confession to talk about his body. That's why the symptoms were trying to come back. He had to have one confession. So after he recognized and made that change, then his strength came back and he started recovering, and all the heart symptoms again subsided. One day the principal called him into his office and said, kenneth, he said, the doctor said that within 90 days, you'll be dead. And he said, the school teachers are afraid that you're going to die in their class. And so he said, do you think it's a good idea for you to come to school and listen to what Brother Hagin said? He was about 16 years old at this time. And he said, and the principal's name was Mr. Smart. Isn't that a good name for a principal? And he said, Mr. Smart, he said, I'm not up by willpower. I'm up by faith. Because the doctor had told the principal, that boy has the strongest willpower of anybody I've ever seen. And Brother Hagin said, I'm not up by willpower. I'm up by. And Mr. Smart, my faith will hold. I want you to know you have faith. God has put his faith in you. And when you lay your hand of faith on what's yours in Christ, your faith will hold if you will not let go of what belongs to you. And he said, when he said that to his principal, he said, I'm not up by willpower. I'm up by faith, and my faith will hold. And he said, the principal looked up at him and he said, tears started running down his face. And he said, I've never heard of anything like that. But he said, I will never put one stone in your way. You come on to school if you want to. And so he said, I did. And of course, Brother Hagin went on to live to be in his 87th year. And so before he went home to be with the Lord. Why? Because he held fast to his confession of faith through throughout his life. At different times, his heart would try to misbehave again. The devil would try to put those symptoms back on him, and he would not allow that he held fast, that he was the healed, that Jesus has already healed him. And every single time, those symptoms will go. And I want to. I want you to know you have faith in God and you can hold fast to what God has already made yours in Christ. You are not trying to talk God into something, but you are holding fast to what he has already given you and made yours. And so right now, I can sense that healing power flowing. And I want to pray with you. I want to join my faith with you. And if you are facing physical conditions, you reach your hands out toward this screen or put your hand on the device that you're listening to. And Father, I thank you for my brother, my sister in Christ. I joined my faith with them that in Christ is everything they need. And by faith they have released their faith to lay hold of that which is theirs. And I join my faith to them and I say, all is yours in Christ, and we hold fast to that. You are whole, you are healed, you are free. And you are not bound by anything because Jesus has made you master over all the enemy and you live for free. You talk free, you walk free and you be free in Jesus name. Amen. Well, you don't want to miss next time. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the Healer. God bless you.
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To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit dufresneministries.org Jesus called healing the Children's Bread Nancy Dufresne's book Daily Healing Bread from God's Table contains daily portions of healing bread for you to feast on and meditate on in your thought life throughout the day. Order this book now@DefrainMinistries.org make plans to join us at World Harvest church in Marietta, California for our Holy Ghost Meetings 2026. From January 11th through the 15th, services will be Sunday through Thursday at 10am and 7pm for more information and to register for in person attendance, please visit our website@DefrainMinistries.org we trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us@the defrainministries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, submit a prayer request, or visit our online store. Thank you to the friends and partners of Dufresne Ministries for making this production possible. Nancy Dufresne is the President of World Harvest Bible Training center in Murietta, California. This is a Word and Spirit Bible school where you will receive impartations and revelations. So whether you're called to the five fold ministry or want to bring a greater supply to your local church, this could be the school for you. We're now accepting applications. Go to whbtc.org for more information. Shop Nancy Dufresne's books and other products as well as Jesus the Healer merchandise on our website@jesusthehealer.org or call us at 951-696-9258 to place your order today.