← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now. I receive it right now from the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the Healer. And we're going to, of course, be continuing along the line we've been on in this series called In Christ I Can. And it's a series really we could never reach the end of. But it is something that if we will renew our minds and discover all that belongs to us because we're in Christ, it brings us into the highest order of faith. Because when you know who he is in you, then there is absolutely no worry, no unsettling, and no struggle to life. And if I could say this, that when you gain revelation of the Word is the end of struggle. When I have faced different opposition and I would talk to God about that or take my stand on the Word about it, and God would show me something of it, speak to me about that, and I would implement what he said. It worked every time. Because what God says puts an end to struggle. So if we're struggling, find out what God says about it. Find out what God is speaking to you and trying to get over to you. And you know this, that revelation is progressive, meaning that as we grow in our spiritual walk with God, we can pick up the Bible one day and read something and go, how come I've never read that before? But I've read that before? How come it sounds so different? How come I saw something in it that I've never seen before? It's not because the Word changes because you grew. And as you grow, you see more light. Because revelation is progressive. And so when we pick up the Word and we see ourselves in the Word, we can progress and move further into what God planned for us all along. You know, I don't want to get to heaven and find out what I could have had. I don't want to get to heaven and find out what I could have done or should have done, but I didn't know about it. So the Word unveils to us who Christ is in us and who we are in Him. And not only that, what he wants to do for us and what he wants to do through us. Know this, that anytime you read the Old Testament, remember those people. Although they had a covenant with God, they were not in Christ. As new creatures in Christ Jesus. We have available to us something that the, that the Old Testament saints did not have God at times would it be referred to that God was with them. But think of it. God is in us. And so we need to not let everything of the Old Testament define all that we can have. Because under the new covenant, the Word says it's a better covenant. So what's that mean? Anything good of the Old Covenant we still have, but more. And anything that was of the curse that spelled out in the Old Covenant, we're redeemed from that. So we have so much for us. But the greatest thing is Christ in us. And so anytime you feed on the Old Testament, you have to run it through Calvary, meaning this, what happened at the cross, that brought me into more. Because we don't want to pray just like Old Testament saints, because they were not in Christ. In fact, they weren't born again. They, they were in covenant with God, but they were not new creatures in Christ. The New Testament believer is a completely different position than the Old Testament saint. And so we need to discover that. And we can't discover it all in the Old Testament yet. There's so much in the Old Testament that we do need to know and do need to recognize that we can still participate in. But there is so much in Christ. So we don't want to be robbed from enjoying what's ours in Christ simply because we don't know what's. What's in Christ. So we're just, we're glad we've gotten to take this time and share it with you as we are searching it out together and discovering it. And the Holy Spirit is unveiling it and revealing it to us. I love something that Brother Copeland, when he was preaching at our church several years ago, he made this church statement. He said regarding Jesus. He said, I was born to know him and I was born to be like Him. Now I just so love that. It's so rich. I was born to know him and I was born to be like Him. What would be a disappointment would be to know someone but know you could never be like them. That's not what God Heaven provided for us. He wants us to know him because he's made us like Him. And when we see him, we see what our life can look like. Do you know that Jesus, his life was an example of what the new creature in Christ life is to look like. That what his life produced, our life can produce because he's in us. Not only this. Jesus made the statement. He said, my Father in Me, he does the works. So everything Jesus did, he did not do apart from his Father, he had. He allowed the Father to work through him and manifest through Him. And so he showed us the way that. That he was a channel for heaven to flow and operate. We are to be the same thing. The channel for Christ in us to manifest and flow through us. Because we are co heirs with Jesus. Everything that belongs to him belongs to us. And notice this. You didn't have to earn it. You didn't have to. You didn't have to achieve it. All you have to do is receive it. And so it's not something we work for, we labor for. It's something he freely has provided that we are one with Christ. He is in us. Now. Let's not live out of the human side when the divine is in us. And we can live out of the divine life of God, the nature of God that's on the inside of us. Amen. And when we. When we listen to that statement that Brother Copeland made. I was born to know him. And I was born to be like him. Listen, if we don't know him, we don't know what God is offering us. It's so important that we have fellowship with our Father, that we learn, come into fellowship with Jesus on a daily basis. Because as we learn them, we see, we see ourselves more clearly. When we know how Jesus moved and operated, then we are seeing how God is offering us to be able to move and operate the exact same way. Listen. Jesus did not perform one miracle until he was anointed of the Holy Ghost, Remember? And that happened when he was baptized by John the Baptist in the River Jordan. The anointing of God came upon him. Up until that time, he was preparing. But when the anointing came on him, then he began being a channel in a whole nother flow that God can move through. And I would say this. When I think of how Jesus moved out among humanity and it changed the entire world when Jesus moved among men. Now think of it. Up until that time, the presence of God was confined to the holy of holies that the average man could not be a partaker of the presence of God, that only once a year that the high priest could go into the holy of Holies one time a year on behalf of the people, but the people couldn't. But then when the Holy Ghost came upon Jesus and anointed him, then Jesus was out moving among men. Think of this. They could sense the presence of God because He was a carrier of that anointing. And no wonder the people thronged him to be around him, because now they're in contact with God Himself. Because Jesus said, the Father in Me, he does the works. So it changed the entire earth. And not only that, Jesus moved and worked and ministered among men not based on himself, but based on his fellowship with His Father. So he was out moving among men, manifesting His Father through Him. And that was a work of God operating because Jesus, in His fellowship with His Father, while He's in those times and places of fellowship, he would hear the Father say something. He would see the Father, show Him something, then he would just go out and manifest because he said, I only do what I see my Father do. I only say what I hear My Father say. So all of the seeing and all of the hearing that Jesus did came from his time of fellowship with His Father. And then he just went out among men and ministered what he saw and what he heard to the people. But what if he hadn't have been in close fellowship with the Father? That would have affected the kind of result that would have flowed through Him. But what we do know is Jesus fellowship was the key to. To what he brought to the people. And I want you to know the greatest thing that we have in Christ is fellowship with the Father, access to the throne of God, access to the exact same place that Jesus flowed from, the place that he was in communion with when he was on the earth. He was in contact with His Father, and then he manifested the results of. Of that fellowship. I love something that a minister said about Kathryn Kuhlman. Kathryn Kuhlman was someone who. Her ministry was on the forefront in the 1970s, 1960s, somewhere around in that time period. And she was an evangelist that was earmarked by healing ministry. And one of the things that someone said about her is her fellowship with God made it easy for others to receive their miracles. Now, notice this. They might not have known God the same way she did, but because she knew God the way she knew him, then she became a channel that God could flow through to reach others who didn't know him the same. And I Want you to know Jesus. His fellowship with the Father made it easy for the multitudes to receive their miracles. You think about it. Anytime someone came to Jesus in faith, they always received. There was never a time that someone in faith did not receive their answer from Him. You say, well, everywhere he went, everyone received. No, that's not true. Because in his own hometown he went there to minister to them. But it said that they. They did not believe Him. They were in unbelief and they did not honor Him. And it says he could there do no mighty work. Why? Because he wasn't believed there. But know this. Everywhere that he went and to every person that he came in contact with that believed him, they always received. Now that's what our fellowship with God should produce in this earth. That because of our fellowship with God, we know Him. And we. When people come in contact with us, when people come in contact with the God in us, that they should receive some things. So your fellowship can water the earth. Your fellowship can be an avenue that God can manifest through. And God is looking to bless humanity. He's looking to move and manifest and rescue the lives of people. And the wonderful thing about it is he's included us in that. That he says, I'll use you, I'll walk in them, I will live in them. They will be My people. And not only that, he will manifest to others through us. So does it matter that we know the Christ in us? Does it matter that we know who we are in Christ? Absolutely it does. Because he's intending to manifest through those who know him, through those who yield to him, through those who respond to Him. How come Jesus was so effective at being a channel God could flow through because he knew His Father. Fellowship is the basis for this in Christ life. That we are to come into such rich fellowship with our Father that we don't doubt anything that he says that he's made ours in Christ, but we believe it. And then he's able to manifest it through us. So know this. Jesus did not live the life as an example that he did to show you what you couldn't have. He lived that life to show you what's possible to the one who walks with God. And I want you to know God loves you. He wants to work for you. He wants to work through you. And he wants to. He wants to use you as his channel. Now what we want to do is we want to be. We want to be teachable. We want to be in a place where he can lead us and direct us and guide us. I don't know if you've ever heard of a man by the name of Smith Wigglesworth. If you haven't, or even if you have, get hold of some of the materials about Smith Wigglesworth. He was a leading minister in the first half of the 1900s. He was from England and he was a man of the word and a man of the Spirit. And he there were over 20 something people documented raised from the dead under his ministry. He was a man of just bold, raw faith. And when he was in front of a class of Bible school students one day, one of the students said to him, because he was so keen at following the Holy Spirit and recognizing what God was saying to him. And one of the students said, brother Wigglesworth, how did you become so keen at following the Spirit? And this is what he said. He said, every time the Spirit would move on me, I would just yield and yield and yield and yield. So what's that mean? I just kept responding to him. If I sensed God was leading me to do something, I followed that. If I sensed that God wanted me to say something, I followed that. So do you know that you can become skillful with the Christ in you by just keep responding to Him? Have you ever noticed this? That God's always dealing with us about something? He's always dealing with us. Why? Because not to push us down or to find fault with us, but he's bringing us into the fullness of the stature of Christ. And that is a process that's an ongoing work. So you need to be able to identify in your life what's God dealing with me about, what's God talking to me about? What is God wanting me to adjust? What is God wanting me to correct? That's not to push me down. That's so I'll be a more effective channel for Him. Now the way to be effective under his guidance and his leadership is respond to Him. And that's what Smith Wigglesworth was talking about. You can know what God's saying to you, but if we don't respond, it's a displeasure because your Spirit won't be satisfied. But the Spirit of God won't be satisfied if he's not able to manifest through us the way he wants. So if I could say this. Every day in your everyday life, practice responding to the greater one who's in you. I know, just looking through my own personal life, that God did not wait until the big moments, the dramatic moments, the life changing moments of my life to begin leading me. I practiced on the Little everyday stuff. I would be in a store and getting ready to buy something and all of a sudden I'd, I'd have a nudging, a sense on the inside, don't buy that one. Or I wasn't going to buy something. And I'd have a nudging, buy that. I go, but I don't need that. Buy that. And I would follow that. And sure enough, something would come up right down the road. I needed that. And God will use the unimportant to train you on the critical, on the very important. And if you will just learn to respond to him every single day, you will become more skillful at cooperating with the greater one on the inside of you. I know this. Every time I respond to my spirit instead of to my mental reasoning, my spirit gains proficiency. I become more skillful in that realm. But every time I respond to my reasonings and override my spirit, then the mental arena starts dominating me and my spirit loses proficiency. Well, I want my spirit to be proficient because your spirit is to be master, your mind is to be your servant, and your body is to be your slave. Never turn your spirit into the servant or the slave. Your spirit is equipped to lead because it's got the life and the nature of God in there. Well, how do, how do I become skillful at letting my spirit lead? Respond. Every time the spirit of God is dealing with you about something, respond. Not only that, you have to feed your spirit. Most are just feeding their mind, their intellect. They're feeding the things of their flesh, but they're leaving their spirit malnourished. Well, what do we feed our spirit with? The Word of God. The Word of God is food for our spirit. But not only that, the word of God is food for our mind. Do you know that you need the thoughts of God? Your mind needs to know what God says. Because when you find someone who has developed their spirit and renewed their mind, now you have found. What would I say? I would call them general in their faith. I would call them. I would call them masterful. When the it makes you a giant in faith. It makes you a giant in the things of the realm of the spirit. When your heart and your mind agree. Now what I don't want to do through this life is my heart, have something in my mind, argue with it all the time, kicking against it. Because know this, the Bible says our flesh is at enmity with God. What's that mean? If our flesh is left on its own, it will take our life in a wrong direction. It will Take us outside the will of God. So if I could say it this way. Your flesh is over here to this side. Your spirit is over here on this side. And the flesh is always pulling in a different direction than the, than the spirit. Then God is leading the spirit of man. So which one wins, the flesh or the spirit? Well, that depends on the other feature of man. The mind of man or the soul of man. Your soul is made up of your mind, your will and your emotions. If the mind is fed on the word of God and it and it takes on God's way of thinking, the mind is the variable. The mind can either side in with the flesh or the mind will sigh in with the spirit. If it's fed on the word of God, your mind will agree with the faith that's in your spirit. If your mind is not fed on the word of God, it will argue against the faith in your spirit and it will side in with your flesh. And two against one always wins. So if your mind sides in with your flesh, your flesh will win. If your mind sides in with your spirit, your spirit will dominate. So what's this mean? To be effective and live as rich as we are in Christ, we don't just want to say, well, he's in me. No. We also have to give our mind faith, thoughts. We have to renew the mind and bring our thinking in agreement with who he is in us. Now, the accuser, the brethren, is always going to try to get your mind to have a stream of thinking that's against who you are in Christ. The devil will accuse you. You failed at this. You can't do this. You've got this problem. You've made this mistake. You made this. You know, you've gone this direction so many times. And so the devil's always pointing at when the mind was a participant going the wrong direction. But the renewed mind says, I take on the thoughts of God. And so when you take on the thoughts of God, you disarm the natural man from, from leading your life in the wrong direction. And you disarmed the spirit of man so that, so that your spirit becomes the master and your mind and your body is not pushing you around. This is where so many Christians live. Dissatisfied, they're being pushed around by the affections of their flesh. They're being pushed around by a troubling mind. I refuse to have a troubled mind. The mind I have. God gave me my mind. And I'm not going to let the devil do my thinking for me. And I want you to know the devil wants to do your thinking for you. He wants to suggest to your mind and have you take on his way of thinking. Because if you follow into how he suggests, your mind will be troubled. But God, part of our inheritance in Christ is a sound mind. And when the devil tries to bombard the mind. Now listen, will he try to bombard the mind? Absolutely he will. The Bible talks about that. He'll launch fiery darts. That's exactly what it is. It's a bombardment on the mind because he is trying to overwhelm you through wrong thinking. But if you will renew your mind and say, I refuse to be moved by that thought, that thought's not my thought. You have to answer it. That thought is not my thought. And you refuse to turn it over in your thought life. But the devil wants to bombard your mind and hold your mind captive so that you don't respond to your spirit, you don't respond to Christ in you, and you just respond to the flesh. But I know this. For the rest of our lives, we have our mind with us and we don't want to be living with a mind we can't live with. I refuse to have a mind that troubles my life. So what's that mean? I'm not going to leave it unattended. I'm going to discipline my thought life. I'm going to feed it on the word of God. I'm going to bring it in line with the thoughts of God. You know, we've had some people that they've been watching our broadcast, and I'm so grateful they have because the first 80 episodes that I ever filmed of Jesus the healer, God told me to teach on the mind. And we did that. And we had so many people who. It dawned on them what the word was saying to them about the mind. And some would contact us and say, Pastor Nancy, I had no idea that I could discipline or that I should discipline my thought life. I thought that I just had to accept anything that came to my mind and cope with it. Well, I want you to know, in Christ, we are not coping. In Christ, we are ruling and reigning. And that means even in the mental arena that we are not troubled by our thought life. But we're feeding it the word of God and bringing it into agreement with what God says. And then when that renewed mind is being nurtured and fed, what happens? It sides in with our spirit. And in our spirit, man, the life of God is in there. We are in Christ, Christ is in us. And we can respond to the greater one who's in us instead of responding to the enemy that's against us. Because I am not living this life and you are not living this life as a victim to opposition. We are ruling and reigning because Christ is in us and we are in him and because of that, we are masters in this world and it is up to us to enforce that. Amen. Well, we're so glad to have you with us today and you don't want to miss next time. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit dufresneministries.org come join us for special services with guest speaker Kenneth Copeland on January 9th and the 10th, 2026. Services will be at World Harvest Church in Murrieta, California on Friday night at 7:00pm and Saturday at 10:30am and 7:00pm for more information and to register for in person attendance, please visit our website@DefrainMinistries.org.
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