← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not trying to get something. But notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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I receive it right now from the.
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Top of my head. From the top of my head. And the soles of my feet.
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The soles of my feet.
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Welcome. We're so glad you're joining us today for Jesus the Healer. And we invite you that if you have not watched all the previous episodes in this series, go back and watch them. And you say, what series are we on? Well, it's the same one we've been on for well over 100 episodes, and it's called In Christ I Can. And so we're not even projecting an ending date for this series because this topic is so rich and full for us as believers in Christ, that once we find out who we are, we begin to live as rich as we are when we add our faith to who we are in Christ. You know, I want to read to you. This has been one of the golden texts that we've used in this series, and it's found in Colossians chapter two. And let's start reading in verse nine. And actually I'm going to read out of the living Bible translation, but Colossians 2, verse 9 says, for in Christ there is all of God in a human body. So you have everything when you have Christ. And you are filled with God through your union with Christ. Now look at that. And Christ holds everything. And I say it this way, that he is the treasure box. That everything God planned for us and everything God wanted for us, everything God dreamed of for us, he put in Christ. And then he put Christ in. In us. So there's nothing that you're ever going to run into in this life and face a lack when you face that situation. The Word tells us that he has given us. Peter made in his writing, said that God has given unto us everything that pertains unto life and godliness. Well, where is that everything? It's in Christ. And then he put Christ in us. So know this. No matter what situation you face, no matter what circumstances arises on the inside of you is every supply that you're going to need to walk in victory in the face of that. So it's not about turning this way toward heaven and getting, trying to get God to send something down, but it's acknowledging, recognizing who's in us, turning toward him and drawing on and putting him to work for us. Well, how do we put him to work? Through faith. And how do we release our faith? We release it through what we say. Now know this. Faith comes by hearing. But faith does not operate by hearing. Faith does not, is not released by hearing. Faith is released through what we say and through what we do. And so when we say we're finding out who we are in Christ, now we have to join our faith to that. And we have to release our faith and say, because Christ is in me, my help is in me, my answers are in me, the resources I need are in me, the supply is in me because it's in Christ. And so know this, as Paul told us in Colossians, is that when we have Christ, we, we have everything. Now see, that kind of is a new way of thinking for those who have not been taught because so much of the, of the church world will think, well, God has everything. And we're trying to persuade him through our prayers, through being persistent in our prayers to give us what we know, we need, that we believe he has. Well, he knows we need it. That's why he already provided it and he put it in Christ. So it's not about trying to get God to do something. It's about us learning what he already did for us and what he put in Christ. And then he put Christ in us so that we could spend him as a need arises. And that is not a disrespect to say to spend Christ. That's an honor to the, to the One who's in us. We want to honor him by acknowledging him. And it is an honor toward him when we draw on him instead of on, because we're believing and acting as one that knows everything I need is in him, not in Me. And so listen, we know what life looked like when we just drew on us. We can look back before we were born again and we can see where our life fell short in so many ways because we only had us to draw on our own self to rely on and spend. And that's why we, we recognize we needed a Savior and, and so we came to Christ and received of him not so we could keep drawing on us, but so we could draw on him and it honors Him. When we give him his proper place in our everyday life, we acknowledge Him. We release our faith in who he is. And so know this. As I said, faith comes by hearing faith. And I would say this, I'd add this. Faith operates by love, but it's released by, by speaking and by acting. So we can know that Christ is in us. But if we don't speak and release our faith, then we're not going to end up living as rich as we are. We're going to end up trying to spend us when we need to be drawing on Him. So know this. Because he's in us, we can have faith for him to work for us. Well, he will not work without our permission. The etiquette of God, the honor of God is so great that he would never force anything upon anyone, even including his own children. What does that mean? That means that we have to invite him to move. And people will say or think. Even, even if they don't say it out loud, many think it to themselves. Well, God knows I need this. Why doesn't he just give it to me? Because He. His knowledge does not equal your permission. Just because he knows something doesn't mean he has our permission to work in our behalf. Our faith is the open door inviting him to work. It is us giving him permission to move in our life. So even though Christ is in you, you still have to give him permission to manifest in your everyday life. So know this. Sometimes we're giving our. Our emotions permission. We're giving our feelings permission. We're giving human reasoning our permission. But we have a. We have a higher place and a greater place to draw on. And that's on the Christ on the inside of us. I want you to see what it says in Galatians chapter 2 and verse 20. And this is the King James translation of Galatians 2, verse 20. Paul is writing and he said, I am crucified with Christ. Nevertheless, I live yet not I, but Christ liveth in me. Now look at this. He said, I am crucified with Christ. And can I tell you this, that the human reasoning of man has a hard time processing this. Because this is not something mentally received. It's something we receive by faith with our Spirit. And we cannot mentally calculate. How am I crucified with Christ? Well, as I said, these are spiritual truths. And the Word says that these things have to be spiritually discerned. Do you know that the faith that's in your heart can believe things that the mind cannot understand, that the mind cannot calculate? I do not understand how me saying, jesus, I receive you as my Lord, cleanses away my past. I don't understand how it translates me from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God's dear Son. I don't know how me saying, I received Jesus as Savior changes my entire life and my entire eternity. But that's exactly what it does. The reasoning of man. It's too big for the mind of man to hold and manage. But the heart of man and the faith that's in our heart can agree with it and receive it and believe it and act on it. You know, it talks about in Hebrews chapter one. It says, we understand by faith. By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God. Look at that. By faith we understand that. What's that mean? I cannot understand how a God in eternity standing up and speaking. For during the six days of creation, for him to speak and just words became matter. What is words? Words are sound waves. And when he spoke, sound waves became matter. It became substance. And the earth came into being. The things of the earth, day and night, and the plants and the vegetation and the sea and all that was created in those six days. How does sound from words do that? The mind of man, it's so full and so rich and so deep and so how God moves, that the mind of man falls short at that. But the heart of man says what Hebrews 1 tells us. By faith we understand that. What's that mean? I believe that by faith I don't have to understand even scientifically, yet science backs it up, that all that has been created and they're continuing to find further universes out there. I mean, even as our scientific. Our scientific advancement is made in telescopes that can see further and further, and they see things that they never saw before because his words are still moving and creating. And so you say, how does the mind get that? It can't. But by faith we understand it. Likewise, by faith we understand Christ is in me. I was crucified with him. Meaning this. That which tried to ruin my life before has no more ability to ruin me. Because I am crucified with Christ. I'm buried with Him, I'm raised with Him, I'm seated with Him. He in heavenly places. The mind of man cannot calculate all that. But the faith of man says, if God says that I believe that, I'm going to choose to believe that. Listen, faith is a choice. It's not an understanding. Faith is not simply a knowledge. It's a choice. I can choose to believe Something without having full understanding of how it works. For example, anytime I would get on a commercial flight or flying any type of aircraft, I do not understand completely the law of lift. I know that that law is there, it's in place, and men have cooperated with the law of lift. I don't understand though, it's just amazing to me how you can fill a plane with hundreds of people, the weight of that, add their, add their luggage, add, and then if you just go fast enough, you get up above. That's just mind boggling. It's impressive to me that men have discovered some of these things. But I get on an airplane that I don't understand how it operates mechanically. I don't understand all the diversity of it, but I believe enough to get on that airplane. Well, it's the same thing that we believe things that we do not have to understand. Our heart can say, I believe it. We, and we even have better grounds for believing because God said it. If God says it, we're safe. We are always on safe territory. So know this. You are in Christ. You have to believe that by faith. You don't see yourself physically in Christ, but you believe that by faith because the Word tells us that. Do you know all of scripture is what God said, what God saw, what God recorded long before you were ever born. You weren't at any of those locations that the Word talks about. We weren't there to see creation. We weren't there when the flood came during the days of Noah. We weren't there to see the Red Sea part. But God recorded it because he saw it. The Word of God is what God said, what God saw, what God did. And he records that because he knows that his integrity and His. His faithfulness is so perfect that if he says it, we can recline ourselves on it and know it's the truth. And so we believe it simply because he said it. We don't have to see those events before we believe those events. But you want to know this? God also was there when he put you in Christ and Christ in you. Even though you didn't see Jesus die. None of us saw that event happen. We didn't see him buried. We didn't see him raised from the dead. We didn't see him go into the throne room of heaven and spread his blood on the mercy seat. We didn't see any of that. We didn't see our sins canceled and blotted out by his blood. But God saw it. And his in his eyes, recorded. His eyes, saw things that our Eyes have not seen. And he recorded what his eyes saw and says, now I invite you to believe what I saw. And that honors God. And so when Paul writes in Galatians 2, verse 20, I am crucified with Christ. For Paul didn't see that, I didn't see that, you didn't see that. But we believe that by faith. And you say, well, I don't understand that. We don't have to understand it because believing in faith is a choice. It's a decision we make. And that way we don't have to be robbed of our faith until we understand. Because the reasoning of man, someone who is dominated by the reasonings, by the mind or the soul of man. The soul of man is mind, will and emotions. There are people who live, dominated by that. The problem with living based on the soulish arena is it has limitations that there are things you cannot understand with the mind. And so there's a limit to how far you can go. But your spirit has the life and the nature of God in it. And there's no limits because your spirit, man was created in the image of God. So your spirit can believe what your mind can never understand or fully comprehend. So we are not sentenced to live by a limited mentality when we are invited to live an unlimited spirit life. And so with our spirits we can say, I choose to believe that. So by faith, as Hebrews 1 said, by faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God. And we can say, I believe that. I just, I just choose to believe that. But now, as I said, they're, they're growing in their scientific discoveries to even say that, that men are discovering that to be true. But we believe it. Whether they ever discover all the layers of creation or not, we believe it. And we don't have to wait until we see scientific proof because God's word is enough proof for us. And that's what we recline on. In the exact same way he said, Christ is in me. I believe that. He says, Christ has, has everything is in me because Christ is in me. I believe that. So that's where our faith is coming into play, that we act on that. We think in those terms. And Paul said this. I am crucified with Christ. Notice what he didn't say. I'm trying to be crucified with Christ. No, I am meaning this. I don't have to try to be who I am in Christ. I just by faith receive who I am in Christ. And I choose to respond in Christ. Now when we say, okay, I believe by faith that Christ is in me, I'm in Him. I don't understand every aspect of that, but I choose to believe it. Well, what do we know? What belongs to us because he's in us? Well, the Word is what reveals that to us. The Word of God reveals a realm we don't see. A history book won't reveal it. A science book won't reveal it. Nothing that man authors will reveal. God's realm. God's realm is revealed by God's Word. So the unseen realm, the invisible realm, that's the realm we belong to. Why? Because we are created in the image of God. And that realm that is his is our realm. And one day we're going to all go be there and live with him in the eternal realm, in that realm called heaven, that spirit realm, the unseen realm. And I want you to know, God is letting us know. You don't have to wait to go there before you live in that flow. And so when you say Christ is in me and I am living based on who he is in me, we have just left this natural realm. We have now tapped into another realm and that which is God's realm. And that's why we hold to what God says, because God's Word describes that realm. Don't let this realm talk you out of what God teaches you about his realm. Because the Word of God trumps this realm. Can I tell you this? This natural realm, you see, it is a result of God's realm making movement. It's a result of the unseen realm. The seen realm came out of the unseen realm. And so everything that you see here is lower than God's realm. Because God's realm parented this natural realm. Now know this. Everything that's in the natural realm was not parented by God. In the sense of Satan is the author of anything that steals, kills and destroys that shows up in this realm. But God is the author of the life of it. He's the author of everything good that will manifest in this realm. So God is letting us know anything that's of this natural realm, that did not come out of God's realm. We don't have to accept, we don't have to allow in our lives. Sickness did not come out of God's realm. Lack did not come out of God's realm. Fear did not come out of God's realm. That came out of Satan's realm. Well, when did that find its way into the earth? When Adam sinned? When he turned his authority over to Satan and Satan brought his realm into this realm as well. So we are no longer, because we have been saved, born again, delivered from the kingdom of darkness. We are no longer subject to. To Satan's realm that manifests in this natural realm. We are children of the realm of God. We are children of the throne of God. We are children of the life of God, the nature of God. We are children of the in Christ. And so anything that did not come out of God's realm of blessing, we are authorized to resist it, refuse it. Because we are not children of the realm of darkness. We are children of the realm of light and life. And so we. We have to use our faith that when the realm of darkness tries to intrude into our life, we say, no, you don't, because I don't belong to that realm. The word also says, we belong to the household of faith. So notice this. In a household, as many things that the occupants of that household need. In my household is everything I need to live comfortably and supplied. There's the furniture I need. There are appliances I need. There are conveniences I enjoy. There's nice things to look at. There's effective things to use. Everything I need for my comfort in that home is in the home. Well, even so, what is that? That's called my household. Well, we're of the household of God. And he's the furnisher of that household. Think of how richly he has furnished his household. And who do we furnish our homes for? Number one, we furnish it for ourselves, but we also furnish it for our children. We furnish it for our guests who may come. Do you know, there are rooms in my house that are not for me. They're for my guests. I have multiple guest bedrooms. I don't sleep in those rooms. But what were we doing? We were. We were preparing for those who would come and be part of our household for a season. Well, I want you to know God has provided for all of his children. Everything he's provided for is not simply for Him. He had you in mind. That household of faith is full, fully furnished by God for your blessing, for you to partake of, for your life to be blessed, for your life to increase, for your. Your life to have peace and joy and full provision. We're of the household of faith. And part of what belongs to us in the household of faith is the flow of in Christ. And know this, we don't have to wait to go to our heavenly mansion before we receive of the household of faith. We're to partake of it here. And the Word says that we are to live days of heaven on earth. What's that mean? That we are. The flow that heaven enjoys is offered to us while we're on this earth. Now, we also know this, as I said earlier, Satan has established some flows on this earth.
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And he intends that we step into those flows because those trouble our life, those steal from our life, those make life hard and difficult and troubling. But that's not our flow. We. We only choose to partake of the flow of God. And the flow is so much yours that God put the flow in you. The kingdom of God is in you. Now, can I say this? We see two. Two phrases used in the word the kingdom of God, the kingdom of heaven. Those are not the same thing. The kingdom of heaven is a location, but the kingdom of God is a flow. It's a government. It's the way God operates. And Jesus said, the kingdom of God is in you. What's he talking about? He's talking about what God has provided for you. That flow is in you. And so we can, anytime we need to turn toward our Spirit and draw on him and draw on that flow that's in us. Because remember what I believe. It's Romans 14, verse 17 said, the kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but it's righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. So the Holy Ghost is the one who imparted the flow of the kingdom of God on the inside of you. Because when Jesus said, the kingdom of God is in you in this passage in Romans 14:17, then that's telling us what's contained in that kingdom. Righteousness, peace and joy. Why is that already a present possession of ours? So that we can live days of heaven on earth. We don't have to wait to go to the kingdom of heaven before we enjoy the kingdom of God. We enjoy the kingdom of God here on this earth. And that is to be our flow until we arrive at the kingdom of heaven. Amen. Well, we didn't seem to get too far today, but you don't want to miss next time because we're going to keep going this direction. And there's so much for us in Christ. And we're just trusting the Holy Ghost to give us utterance to help us live. Live as rich as we are. So you don't want to miss upcoming episodes. And remember this until next time, Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us@DefrainMinistries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, submit a prayer request or visit our online store. Thank you to the Friends and partners of Defense Frayne Ministries for making this production possible. Nancy Dufresne is the President of World Harvest Bible Training center in Marietta, California. This is a Word and Spirit Bible school where you will receive impartations and revelations. So whether you're called to the five fold ministry or want to bring a greater supply to your local church, this could be the school for you. We're now accepting applications. Go to whbtc.org for more information. Shop Nancy Dufresne's books and other products as well as Jesus the Healer merchandise on our website@jesusthehealer.org or call us at 951-696-9258 to place your order. Today.
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We'Re excited to announce a new worship album called in youn Glory by Grant Dufresne. For more ways to listen to in youn Glory, scan the QR code on your screen.