← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Nancy Dufresne
Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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I receive it right now.
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From the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad you're joining us today for Jesus the Healer. Come on in. We are having a good time around the Word and we're going to continue on this series called In Christ. I can and you know, there is so much for us in Christ that the natural man cannot explore it all on our own. We have to have a divine teacher because these are divine truths, divine revelations. And the Holy Ghost is our divine teacher who's helping us to discover and unfold and revealing to us what it means as we read in the Word. Because how many of you know the Holy Ghost is only interested in working one thing. It's called the Word. And so he takes of the Word and as we read it and we go, I don't quite understand that he will reveal it to us because he is a divine teacher. Listen, the Word of God is a divine book. It did not come out of the natural realm. It came. The Word of God is the mind of God, the thoughts of God, the words of God. It's the movement of God's. It's God's movement in the lives of men. So this divine Word needs a divine teacher. Don't ever think that we can ever explore the depths of the Word just as a human being apart from the Holy Ghost. There are people that will study it simply as a historical book or they'll take a historical approach only to it. And you can read the Word without the Holy Ghost and nothing will happen for you. But if you will read the Word by the Holy Ghost, with the help of the Holy Ghost, he will reveal the deep inner meanings of the Word of God. Because God's words are living words. What's that mean? We never reach the end of the truths that they hold that you can have one scripture and you. If you were to tell 100 different preachers to stand up and preach on one scripture, every single one of them, would bring something new. There would be a further revealing of that verse because that verse is a living verse. It's always producing more. And so we never reach the end of it. So we don't. What am I, what I'm saying all that to say this? We never want to try to listen, feed on, or understand the Word without the help of the Holy Ghost. So I rely on the Holy Spirit in these episodes to bring us utterance and to bring us understanding. Because he's the one that makes it dawn on our spirits. And until it dawns on our spirits, it's not going to be able to land in us. It's not enough that it just lands in the mind of man. It has to find its home in our spirit. And you say, well, how do I know if the word is landing in the. In my own spirit? It will feel. You'll hear a sermon. You go, oh, that, oh, wow, that landed. That felt right. I grabbed that. I grabbed that understanding of that. What was that? It landed in your spirit, not just in your mind. If you have a sermon that just lands in the mind, you might be impressed by the sermon, but your life won't be changed. It has to land in your spirit for it to have a life change effect. That's why as a minister, I don't. I'm not just endeavoring to preach out of my mind. Because the place a sermon comes from is the. Is only the place it can land in. If it came out of my mind, it can only land in the mind of someone. But if it comes out of our spirit, it can land in another man's spirit. And that's when results come. And so I want you to know this. I want you to listen with the ears of your spirit, not just with your human ears. I don't ever want you to watch any broadcast or listen to any sermon by your pastor or a man of God with just your natural ears, or it will rob from you the fullness of what God's offering you. Learn to listen with your heart and learn to listen with the ears of your spirit. You know the natural man has five physical senses. But do you know that the spirit of man has senses? It has a hand, the hand of faith. The Word talks about that. We lay hold of things. Hold fast. Hold fast to what you've received. He's not talking about physically holding fast. He's talking about your faith holding fast. And where's your faith? It's in your Spirit. So what does that mean, your faith? Faith lays hold of something, just like your hand lays hold of something and it doesn't let it go. And so you can hold fast with your spirit. You can hear with your spirit. You can understand in your spirit. You can see things with the eyes of your spirit. And so we want to not just let these truths go into the mind. They have to. They have to go further into the center of our being, which is our spirit. Man know this. When the word of God is referring to the heart of man, it is not talking about the organ of the heart. In fact, if Jesus stood in front of you and said, put your hand over your heart, and many would go, right here. They're touching the organ. You know where I go here. This is the heart of my being. Jesus said, out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water. He's not talking about your stomach. He's not talking about the organ. He's talking about the center of your being. So the word talks about the heart of man. What's it mean? It's talking about the center of our being. That's the spirit of man. Just like we may say the heart of a matter. We're not talking about that. A certain situation has the organ of a heart. We're talking about the central part of that. Of that situation. Or if we would say the heart of the tree. We're not talking about an organ. We're talking about the life. The life center of that tree. Well, it's the same thing. When God is talking to us about our heart. He's talking about primarily the spirit of man, which is the center of our being. And you cannot believe God with your mind. Your mind is not the dwelling place of your faith. Your faith is a commodity of your spirit. It lives in your spirit. So you can believe God with your spirit, but you can't believe him with your mind. Now, how do you know if you're trying to believe God with your mind? You'll feel overwhelmed. The situation you face, you'll go, I'm trying to believe God. It's just. I can't. I just can't seem to get a handle on it, can't seem to grasp it. It's because you're trying to believe with your mind, and the mind is overwhelmed. Because the mind cannot look at an impossible situation and say, I can handle that. No, it takes faith that to. To address an impossible situation. And the faith of God is in your spirit. It is sown in your spirit. So we are to learn to be Skillful at drawing out of our spirit, not out of our mind. So these truths that we preach about in Christ, let them land in your spirit, not just in the mind of man. It needs to sink deeper. Now, how do we get it to go deeper than our mind? It's called meditation. That's why Joshua 1:8, it's written, this book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth, but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, so that you may observe, to do according to all that's written therein. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you'll have good success. So notice this he speaks about. The law of success is you have to meditate. You have to meditate on the Word. What's the word meditation mean? It means to think deeply. Let something move around on the inside of you. Go to it time and time again. Embrace it, speak it to yourself. You have to think deeply into it. And we're not talking about just the mind of man. We're talking about letting something sink deep into you. Now, if someone were to say something hurtful to you, if you think about that long enough at first, it may just be something that's in the mind. But if you take it in the mind and you turn it over and over and you meditate on it, you're letting it have movement, what happens? It won't just stay in the mind. It will sink down and get into your inner being. And when it does, then it starts having a negative effect on how you see that person, how you treat that person, how you might end up treating others. Because something didn't just stay up here in the mind of man. It sank down and went into your being, the center of man's being. That's why the Word tells us in Proverbs, chapter four, guard your heart with all diligence, for out of it flow the issues of life. So know this. He's saying, don't let everything that comes to your mind reach your spirit. If something is not in line with the word of God, stop it at that. At that mind level. Don't let it sink deeper into your spirit being. Because if it reaches your spirit being, it starts corrupting what's in your spirit. It'll corrupt your faith. It'll corrupt that love walk. It'll corrupt the nine fruits of the spirit. It will corrupt how you treat others. You have to guard and keep the wrong things not just out of your mind, but out of your spirit. Catch it while it's still in the mind, and don't let it reach down into your spirit. Well, even so, how we want to catch wrong things and keep them out of our spirit by catching it at the thought life. Even so, we want to grab the things of God. We want to embrace the things of God and welcome them into our mind. And then not just our mind, meditate on it. So it moves further down from the mind into the center of man's being, into our spirit. Now this is where people get disillusioned when they don't understand how the word operates and how faith operates. They'll say, well, I've heard people teach on confessing and naming something. And I've confessed and confessed and confessed, but nothing happened. Well, can I say this? You have to confess from a place of fullness. Your spirit has to be full of the truth. And then as you confess, confess it. Then you have that truth to spend because you're full of that truth. Now here is a cup right here. It's got water in it. If this cup were empty, I could go around to people and say, here, you want to drink of water, take a drink. Well, I could give them the action of drinking. They may pick that up, put it to their lips that nothing comes out because there's nothing in it. It's the same thing with confession. You can't confess from an empty place and get a flow of God. You have to fill up, fill up your spirit with the truths of the word. Then when you speak, something is coming out of that vessel of your spirit and it's changing things. Now with faith, we receive the word of God into our spirits. I don't have to fully understand it with the mind before I agree with and accept it into my spirit. Things can land in my spirit when my mind doesn't understand. So I want to make sure that when I feed on the Word, I'm not feeding on it simply mentally, because that won't fill my cup, that won't fill the vessel of my born again spirit that will keep me empty. And then I'll be deceived because I think I know something up here, that I know something down here. It's not enough to know it here, you have to know it here. If you'll know it here and accept it here, it will help you to know it up here. But you can believe things more with your spirit than what you can understand with your mind. So we have to make sure that we're not just treating the Bible like a mental book. It's not a. It's not like any other thing. That man wrote, because this is what God authored. Now, I'll tell you this. Once God authored it, it is. We have the Old Covenant and we have the New covenant, which is the Old Testament, a will and testament. Then the New Will and Testament, once it was authored, once it was written, there's no other further writings to it. There's no further. There's nothing further in God's will and testament that he's adding. Don't you add anything. Don't let somebody else. And people who say, well, there are later revelations not to the word of God, because once he wrote his final will and testament, he's not adding to it. So we don't accept anything outside the word of God. Therefore, the Bible, the Word of God, is the only thing God authored in the sense of, to represent him. Now, men can write books based on what they have learned about the Word of God. But God, God's word was what he authored. In every other book man was involved in, in the writing of that. Now you say, well, the Bible men wrote it. They wrote it as they were moved on by the Holy Ghost is what the Word says. So what's that mean? They were simply God's secretary. They were the pencil holders. They wrote and the Holy Spirit gave them the words to record. And so. But God was the author of those words. That means no other book is equal to the word of God. And we don't just read it like we read a history book or a science book, just with the mind being engaged. We read it with our heart. We involve our heart and our mind because all of us needs his Word. Amen. Now, when we feed on his word, as I said, we need. These are divine words. We need a divine teacher. Don't leave out the Holy Ghost. When you're reading God's word, say holy Spirit, I'm looking to you as the divine teacher that dwells in me. Unveil these words, reveal them to me. Show me their deep inner meaning, that it's not just something my mind is processing, but it's something my heart is seeing and my heart is accepting and agreeing with. Now, I love something that George Mueller said. George Mueller was a minister who lived in the 1800s and a powerful man of God. And one of the things he said, he said, I don't read my way through the Bible. I meditate my way through the Bible. What's that mean? It's not enough for him to read a chapter and say, check, got that read for today. He was saying, I will take the steps and take the process, meditating on the Word as I feed on it. Because I don't want it to just land in the shallow parts of my being. I want it to go deep into my inner being, which is my spirit. So don't just read the word mentally. It won't do the fullness of its life giving work until it reaches your inner being, the inner man. There's an inner man that's on the inside of you. Paul calls him the inward man. And so when the inward man gets nourished, when the inward man gets full of the word of God, then you speak and things start changing. But if you're just speaking from the mind of man, nothing changes. Because that's not the place of life. The life giving place is your spirit man. So what's this mean? We need the Holy Ghost to unveil these things to us. That's why we are, we keep going back to these truths of in Christ and who we are. Because the more we talk about it, we're meditating on it. We're hearing these truths over and over. And what happens at hearing faith comes by hearing and hearing what God says, hearing the word of God. And so as we continually feed on these things, don't just listen with your outer ear, listen with the ear of your heart. They've got to get in us for them to be spendable, for them to have an effect in our life. And so I love something that Smith Wigglesworth, who was an English preacher in the early half of the 1900s, he said some like to read the Bible in Greek, some like to read it in Hebrew. He said I like to read it in the Holy Ghost. He's not saying that it's wrong to read it in its other, in the other forms, but he's saying don't leave out the Holy Ghost. Because just the Greek language does not reveal it all. The Hebrew language does not reveal it all. It's the Holy Ghost who is the revealer of the, of the truths of God. Why? The Word tells us that no one knows the mind of God except the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God knows the mind of God and he knows God's thoughts in a situation. And he will impart that understanding. It's called the wisdom of God. He will impart God's mind, the wisdom of God into us so that we begin to see it the way God sees it. We begin to think in how, in terms of how God thinks. We begin to move and take on the ways of God because we understand it. Now I want you to know this. The word of God has to be sown before it can produce a harvest. Many times people read a verse and they say, well, I believe that. I want that. I'm going to claim that. Well, that's true. You need to see it, believe it, accept it, claim it. But know this, to get a harvest on a verse, you have to sow that verse. And so you have to sow the seed of the Word into you. Don't get discouraged if your answer doesn't show up overnight. My dad was a cotton and wheat farmer in southwest Oklahoma. He would sow a seed when he would plant his crops on a certain day. He never went out the next day and said, honey, I'm so discouraged because I cannot see any harvest. No, he's giving that seed time to grow, time to time to be nurtured by the ground it's in and time for it to sprout up and start producing. But even whenever it would, he'd plant cotton, he would plant wheat. Even if he saw the blade, he knew that it's not time to harvest it. You have to sow that seed of the Word in you and then keep sowing it. Keep sowing it, keep watering it, keep confessing it, keep believing it, keep embracing it with your acceptance, and wait until you see a complete. A complete harvest, and then you're going to get full results. Don't get discouraged if you say, pastor Nancy, I've been believing God. I've been confessing the Word, and it's not showing up. Listen, the day my dad planted that seed is not the day the harvest showed up. Don't be discouraged. It's a process. The Word tells us that there are processes in the spiritual life. Even the Word said, first the blade, then the ear, then the full corn in the ear. And the devil wants to make you think that because there's a lapse of time that the Word isn't working for you, or that your faith isn't working, or that you're not going to receive. My dad would plant a seed. He took a seed that he could see and he put it under the earth. And once he sowed that, he could no longer see that seed. He couldn't see it anymore, but he knew it's in there. And if I will keep watering it, if I'll keep the pestilence off of it, then it will grow up. And I want you to know it's your job to sow the seed and keep watering it. You say, how do I water the seed? Well, if you hear the truth of God's word the first time and you've never heard it before. That's the planting of the seed. But if you hear that same truth tomorrow and the next day and the next day, that's watering that seed. So that's why we need to realize that faith doesn't come full faith doesn't come with one hearing. We have to hear over and over and over. And the more we hear it, the more we're watering it each time we hear it. That's why you don't ever want to hear your pastor preach a sermon. You go, oh, I've already heard that before. No, no, no, no. You need that watered. That's a truth. That's a revelation. You don't just need it be planted, it has to be watered. My dad never planted a seed, then walked off and never tended to it. From then on, every day he was giving his full effort to tend to a seed he no longer saw after it was in the ground. He didn't see it, but he knew it's in there. And I'm going to take care of that seed. I'm going to protect that seed. And once he saw a blade, he didn't say, oh, good, let's get out the harvester. No, we didn't go get the tractor out or the equipment out to go harvest it. It's not time for it. And if I will say this to you, don't try to harvest before it's ready. Just because you're thrilled about it doesn't mean that you have a full revelation of it yet. Keep watering that revelation. Because when you get full of the healing word, that's when healing manifests. When you get full of prosperity truths, that's when it manifests. Well, can I tell you this? We're filling up with in Christ truths. Why? Because we want him to manifest. And don't, don't get discouraged. Well, Pastor Nancy, I said in Christ. I have it yesterday and it hasn't shown up. No, we're getting full and we're watering these in Christ truths so that when we reach a place of fullness, it begins to not just be full, but it overflows. And then we become have a lifestyle of in Christ truths overflowing into each situation of our life. So if these things are new that we've been teaching you in these episodes, thank God that you're hearing them. But it's not the planting of it, it's the watering also. So we just keep feeding and meditating on these truths, speaking unto ourselves and saying, I'm in Christ, Christ is in me. When I have Christ, I have everything. Say it every day. And you say, well, Pastor Nancy, everything's not showing up. No, you got to get full of the revelation that everything is yours in Christ, that you have no lack in Christ, you have no symptoms in Christ, you have no pain in Christ. Because Christ authors, none of those things. Christ offers authors everything that is anointing, everything that's blessing, everything that's good. But outside of Christ is where so many people get occupied with. And they're. They're watering their life with. With things that pertain to outside of Christ. They're talking about symptoms, they're talking about pain. They're talking about how it's getting worse. They're talking about how they don't have enough money to pay this. They're talking about how they have this marriage problem and have that marriage problem. What are they doing? They're watering outside of Christ. We are to water who we are in Christ. And as we do, that truth will grow and grow and grow. It will be deeper, established in us. The roots will grow down further and it will produce a greater harvest in our lives. We just keep at it. Because you're in Christ, Christ is in you. And you don't have to understand it before you accept it. All you have to do is say, I choose to believe it. And keep watering that every single day. Because I guarantee you victory in this life requires that you spend the greater one in you, that you draw on Him. If we're going to live victorious, it's not because we're going to draw on us, but it's because we're drawing on Him. So thank God for the Holy Ghost, who is helping us fill up with these truths so that we can spend the wealth of who we are in Christ in our everyday life. Well, we're going to continue along this line and until next time, remember this. Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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