← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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I receive it right now.
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From the top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet.
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The soles of my feet.
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Welcome. We're so glad you're joining us today for Jesus the healer. And as we continue on this series of In Christ, I can we invite you to get hold of your Bible and follow along with us, get something to take notes on, because we don't want you to miss recording something that God may say to you, because we're believing God for you to have answers for your life. So thank you for taking the time to be with us. We have been. We have used as our. I guess you would say our golden story or testimony is something that Brother Copeland told. And I was in a service with him sometime back, and he told of the time in the early 1970s. He was. Him and Sister Gloria were just learning the truths about prosperity. And they at that time were still in debt. And they began using their faith to believe God to get out of debt. And one of the things that God said to them during that season of their life, he told Brother Copeland, he said, I want you to sow $50,000 into Kenneth Hagin's ministry. And of course, they themselves were in debt. And $50,000 is a lot of money today, but you can imagine how much money it was almost 50 years ago. And so he did not immediately start thinking of his own resources. When he heard that word from God, he immediately went to a different place to find his answer. And the skill of Brother Copeland's answer was this. In Christ, I have it. And in Christ, I can give it. Now listen. Learn to give your answers out of that place in Christ, because that's who we are now. Since we're born again, we're in Christ. And so brother Copeland, he gave that answer to God. In Christ, I have it, and in Christ I can give it. When God commanded of him, he said, I want you to give $50,000. He wasn't trying to get something out of him, he helping brother Copeland dip into who he was in Christ. So God was offering brother Copeland and sister Copeland a flow that they had not been partaking of before. And that was that if they got into that flow of giving, that would also bring them into that flow of harvesting. And so brother Copeland then took action. And what he did, he just, at the end of every day, would take of the coins. When he would break a dollar bill throughout the day, he would take the co and throw them in a shoebox and put it under his bed. And after several times of filling up that shoebox, he would just send it in to Kenneth Hagin's ministry. After a period of time, he contacted them and said, I don't know how much I've sown into your ministry. He said, can you calculate that for me? And they came back on the phone with him, and they said, well, you've given well over $50,000. And brother Copeland said this. He said, there is no way that all those coins that I gave totaled that much money.
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But see, when he just went to who he was in Christ, and he started giving action to the command of God, obeying that command, then God's power met that and made up the difference. And you say, are you telling me that God was a counterfeiter? No. God is a multiplier. And the word says that he will multiply our seed sown. So if when we go to sow a seed, God's multiplication flow will get involved in that seed. And you say, well, pastor Nancy, do you have scripture for that? No, I absolutely do. Because we can look at when Jesus wanted to feed the multitudes, and he told the disciples, what shall we do to feed them? He already knew what he was going to do, but he wanted to find out, what do you know about this? And so one of the disciples said, well, there's a little boy here who has a lunch, and he's got five loaves and two fish. And what was that? Not enough. And so Jesus said, that's the answer. And he said, bring it to me. And Jesus took what was in his hands, which wasn't enough, and he looked up to heaven, and he blessed it, and he gave it to the disciples to distribute. And in the distribution, what was not enough became more than enough. And at the end of feeding that multitude, there were over 12 basketfuls that they collected after everyone had eaten all they wanted. So notice this, he ended up with more than he started out. And I know this when I start a project of what God's told me to do, I always expect to end up with more than what I had when I started out. And that's what we're to do. Why? Because God is a multiplier. And he multiplied what was not enough. That's exactly what he did for Brother Copeland. You say, well, that's a counterfeit of money. No, it's a multiplication that when you obey God, God gets involved. And when God gets involved, that which he blesses becomes something that it wasn't before. And I want to. I want to just look and comment real briefly on that setting when Jesus was feeding the multitudes. Notice it was a little boy's lunch that day that Jesus was able to take. And it became something different than it had been before. And I want you to see that as a child, that little boy brought his lunch. What do we know? That when children are in our services, they bring a supply to our services. That little boy brought a supply to that crowd that day. You don't have to be an adult to bring a supply in the. In the movement of God. And I would say this. Never leave your children out of taking them to church with you and get them around the things of God, because the body of Christ will receive a supply from children who believe God. This little boy, he no doubt thought, well, the lunch is enough for me. Why isn't it enough for everyone? And so he offered what others didn't even think to offer. There may have been somebody else in that crowd who had their own a bit of a food supply that they would have been carrying with them, but this little boy had faith enough to offer it. So don't wait to offer to God what's enough, because it doesn't need to be enough. He just wants what you have, because he's the one that makes what you have more than enough. And so that's what that little boy did that day. Because when Jesus got involved and the power of God got involved, it became something different than it started out as. I want you to know when you give your heart to Jesus, when you're born again and he comes in, your life becomes something it would have never been without him in it. And so we have been born again. And part of what belongs to. To us is that Christ is in us and we are in Him. Therefore, our lives can produce something that it never could have apart from him, because he takes what we give him and he blesses it and it's multiplied, and much fruit is born for the kingdom of God. Amen. And so I want you to know that you have so much more in Christ than you do outside of Christ. And that's the skill of Brother Copeland's answer. He didn't go outside of Christ to his own personal resources before he gave his answer to God. He answered based on, in Christ I have it. But I saw so clearly outside of Christ, he didn't have it outside of Christ there, he couldn't give it. But in Christ he could give. He could give what he never could have given before. And I want you to know, when you recognize that you are in Christ, your life can produce what it never could produce before, and you can partake of what you never could have partaken of before outside of Christ. So always learn to give yourself the spiritual mental habit of thinking of yourself as in Christ, not outside of Christ. When you're faced with a situation, when you're faced with circumstances, something that looks greater than what you know to do, you look at that and say, in Christ, I have the answer for that. In Christ I can accomplish that. In Christ, I can overcome this situation. Because in Christ, you have what you don't have outside of him. So don't think as one outside of Christ. Don't speak as one outside of Christ, don't respond as one outside of Christ, but give yourself the spiritual discipline of first going to who you are in Christ. And that will cause you to answer, that will cause you to respond in ways you never could have before. So I so love Brother Copeland's testimony because it so simply demonstrated, just in a moment, what it means to be in Christ. In Christ we have all, and in Christ we can do anything that God commands of our life. We know this. Philippians says this. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. So notice this. I can do it not because of me, but because who's in me, strengthening me. He's enabling me. He's empowering me. And so we need to be in Christ minded instead of out of outside of Christ minded, because so much more is yours in Christ. And you can do so much more and produce so much more because you're in Christ. Amen. I want to read to you out of Philippians, chapter three and verse eight. And this is the Amplified classic translation. There's so much that Paul says in this passage in several verses. So let's just begin with again Philippians chapter three and verse eight. And I want you to see something Paul wrote. He said, yes. Furthermore, I count everything as loss compared to the possession of the priceless privilege, the overwhelming Preciousness, the surpassing worth and supreme advantage of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. And look at this. And progressively becoming more deeply and intimately acquainted with Him. So to know him is to know who he is in us, who he wants to be through us. And know this. Paul made this statement to progressively become more deeply and intimately acquainted with Him. We have to know Him. For when we know him, we see who he's making us or who he has made us. We are in Him. He is in us, in anything he can produce, we can produce because he is in us doing the work. Now you remember during Jesus earthly ministry, he said this. My Father in Me, he does the works. You're authorized to say Christ in Me, he does the works. And so we can become progressively more understanding and knowing what what this means to us and for us to become in Christ, minded and drawing on Him. So he said this that I may. That I may, knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, progressively becoming more deeply and intimately acquainted with him, perceiving and recognizing and understanding him more fully and clearly. The more we understand him, the more we know who we are, because our identity is in Him. And then he writes this for his sake, I have lost everything. And consider it all to be mere rubbish. Refuse in order that I may win gain Christ, the Anointed One. What's he talking about? Being in Christ doesn't take anything from us. We don't lose anything. He said, I have lost everything and consider it mere rubbish. What he's saying, everything I achieved in my. In the natural outside of Christ is mere rubbish compared to what I now possess because Christ is in me and because I'm in Christ. It is a wealth and everything that he thought of value, that the world prized, that the world thought was of great worth. He said, I have seen that it's nothing but mere rubbish compared to all of the wealth that is mine because I belong to Christ. So know this. When you belong to God, he's not taking something out of you or something away from you of value or that you prize, but he gives you something else that makes everything else pale in comparison to to who he has made you to be in Christ. And then he goes on, in verse nine, Paul says this and that I may actually be found and known as in Him. Now look at that. Paul is saying I want to be found and I want to be known as in Him. He didn't say I want to be known as a miracle worker. I didn't want. He didn't want to be known as a great leader. He wasn't Seeking to be known as a leading apostle in the church. He wasn't wanting to be known as a great preacher who became, you know, the channel that God used to pin half of the New Testament. That wasn't it. He said, I want to be known as in him because I look so much better. You look so much better. We all look so much better in him than out of him. And he's basically saying, when people look at my life, I want them to know that was because that fruit that was produced, that life that Paul lived, was because he was in Christ, that he wanted everybody to know. When you look at Paul's life, you're seeing Christ at work. You're seeing Christ getting to manifest through human flesh. And so Paul prized this, not what his education was, because Paul was highly educated. Paul was a leader in the. In the religious circles of his day. But when he was born again and he came to see all that belonged to him in Christ, he didn't want to be known as a great Pharisee. He didn't want to be known as someone who is a great leader. What he wanted to be known as in him. And so I want you to see these words that Paul uses in verse nine. And that I may be. That I may actually be found and known is in him. When we see this word found in him, when circumstances arise, they better find you in one place in him. Because if they find you operating, thinking as one outside of Christ, they have found someone they can overcome. But when circumstances show up and they find you in Christ, then the outcome is different. You know, whenever in 2011, the spirit of God began to witness to my spirit and he said something to me. He said, all I want you doing is practicing peace. Now, what did that mean? I had never heard the phrase practicing peace. What did the Holy Ghost mean by that? I knew what he meant when he said practicing peace. That meant any thought that would trouble me, any thought that would push me down, any thought that would bring fear, that would bring anxiousness, that would lead you to worry. I knew this. I cast it down. I refused to allow my thoughts to touch into anything that would trouble my thought life. If it robbed me of peace and it robbed me of joy, I would not touch it in my thought life and I would pay. What's that mean? You got to pay attention to your thought life? What are you thinking about? What are you letting turn over and over in your mind? So I had already been doing that, but I took a more, if I could say, this, active role in making sure that I stayed in the flow of peace and joy. Now, what is that? That's the flow of the Holy Ghost. Because Romans chapter 14:17 says, the kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but its righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. If you're following the Holy Ghost, he's always going to follow you, or lead you rather into a line to where you respond based on righteousness. And you live a life that you're staying at a flow of peace, and you're staying at a flow of joy and anything else that would challenge that, you resist it, you reject it, and you refuse to allow it to trouble you. And so I paid special attention. And if something did not make me peaceful, I wasn't going to touch it. If it didn't arrive me at a place of joy, I wasn't going to touch it. So I did that for two years. And what happened? I found myself in a flow of the Spirit. And can I tell you this? That's walking in the Spirit. You're not being. You're not walking, being dominated or led by the opposition that comes against the mind. But you're taking. You're taking control of every single thought that would try to challenge the mind of peace. And so really, to practice peace is really also second Corinthians, chapter 10, verse 5, casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. You know what that is? That is practicing peace. It means that if. If it tried to trouble me, I cast it down. I would not let a thought run loose in my thought life that would rob me of peace and joy. What that did that brought me into such a depth of the flow of peace that I couldn't have worried if I tried. And for two years I made that an emphasis. Now, I didn't know when the Spirit of God said that to me in 2011, all I want you doing is practicing peace. I had no idea that he was helping prepare me and arm me in a flow of skill for what was going to come against my life. You know, only the Holy Ghost is so skillful that he will warn you without alarming you. He will prepare you without alarming you. The Holy Ghost does not prize creating drama that unsettles people. The only drama heaven does is work in miracles and changing bodies and changing lives. But he does not find pleasure in throwing you off guard and making you, if I could say this, unsettled by what you would hear him say when God speaks, it Brings peace to. To the scene. It brings joy to the scene, even if it's a flow of correction. And so the Holy Ghost was preparing me for the future when he said, all I want you doing is practicing peace. Now, see, that wouldn't make me assume that something difficult was coming. That would just. I just thought that was part of him bringing me into the fullness of the stature of Christ, that you just become more skillful in that fruit of peace. But it was two years later when my kids came to the house one day and they said, mom, Dad's plane went down and there were no survivors. Well, I decided then, I'm already in a place of peace, and I refuse to leave this flow to go into a flow of grief, a flow of sorrow. And I just decided that peace was too valuable to chuck it aside for something that was a low flow. And listen, Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, but he, in that redemption is also he bore our griefs and our sorrows. And so notice this, grief and sorrow is so destructive that it took the Godhead to deal with it. And I want you to know, grief and sorrow is not how we honor those that we love, but by being a doer of the Word. That's how we honor those that we love in our life. And so I decided. I refused to get into a flow of grief. Did I weep? Sure. But that wasn't because I was under a spirit of grief or under a spirit of sorrow. That's because I'm not a. I'm not a machine. I'm not a computer, you know? But I refused to allow the tears to continue and linger. Amen. And so we have to understand this, that when we operate as one in Christ, it's going to change the outcome of how circumstances affect us. The devil meant to totally dismantle this ministry that day. He meant to dismantle the vision. But in Christ, I can do all things. And in Christ, I have the place of success to draw on. And when I'm drawing on Christ, what I'm not drawing on is a human. I'm not drawing on my husband. Well, I'm not drawing on myself. I'm not just drawing on my staff or my relatives or some loved one. I'm drawing on the unchanging one. And so there will be people that will enter your life. There will be people that exit your life. But Christ is the same all the time in you. And he is your true identity. He is the author and the flow of the. Of the life that God offers you. So don't think that because out here can change in a moment. What's in you is unchanging. What's in you anchors you. What's in you. You know where it will arrive you if you will stay, holding on, hooked up to and yielding to the greater one that's on the inside of you. And so when that test came to my, to my family, to our congregation, and to our ministry that day, that test found me in a certain place. I was in Christ. Because when you're practicing a life of peace, that's called in Christ because He is the prince of peace. And he has stocked our spirit with divine peace. So anytime the nine fruits of the Spirit are in you, those are the supplies of heaven, the attributes of God that are depicting a life as of in Christ. So when Paul says this, that I may actually be found and known as in him, then when the devil showed up, the devil found me in Christ. The devil did not find me in grief. He did not find me in sorrow. He did not find me entrenched in my emotions. He did not find me trying to draw sympathy out of others for what I had faced. He found me in Christ. So what happens? I wrote the ending of that situation. The devil did not write the ending. And from that day forward, this ministry and this family has moved into flows that we have never experienced experienced before. That God has opened doors of ministry that we had never moved in before. But my husband knew it was coming. He often prophesied about it to us. And we were not derailed simply because when the circumstances of life, the tragedy of life, the emergencies of life showed up, when they showed up, we were found in the place that we could not be chosen, changed in. I want you to know we did not change the vision. We did not change anything about the plan of God, the vision of God, because we were found in Him. And I want you to know Christ is your home. And no matter where you go, you are in Christ. No matter who enters your life, who leaves your life, you are in Christ. That's where your true identity is. That's where you plant the roots of your being in him. Because he is unchanging. And when you plant the roots of your being in him, you have planted your roots in something that will always arrive you at victory and success. So know this. We need to say, like Paul, that I may be found and known as in Christ. That when others see me, they know exactly the Virgin they're going to get of me. They're going to get the Christmas they're not going to get the drama me or they're not going to get the sad me or the worried me or the fearful me. No, they're going to get the in Christ me that they know me by knowing me as one in Christ. And I want you to know that's how God wants you to be known and that's what belongs to you. And there's so much to learn about this and we're so glad that we've taken this time and you've taken this time with us to share with these these teachings today. And there's more coming, so we don't want you to miss next time. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the Healer. God bless you.
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To watch or listen to today's message and other messages by Nancy Dufresne, visit.
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Dufresneministries.Org When God increases you, every single arena of your life will increase. In this book that I've written called I have a Supply, you will learn how rich and unending your supply is from heaven, how to receive of that supply and make it a reality in your everyday life. You can order your copy@jesusthehealer.org God bless you.
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If you have received a healing or have any other testimony to share with us as a result of this broadcast, we would love to hear about it. Please call us, write us or contact us through our website. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us@DefrainMinistries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings, share your testimony, submit a prayer request or visit our online store. Thank you to the friends and partners of Dufresne Ministries for making this production possible.
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We're excited to announce a new worship album called in youn Glory by Grant Dufresne. For more ways to listen to in youn Glory, scan the QR code on your screen. Jesus.
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Thank you Lord. Nancy Dufresne is the President of World Harvest Bible Training center in Murrieta, California. This is a Word and Spirit Bible school where you will receive impartations and revelations. So whether you're called to the full fivefold ministry or want to bring a greater supply to your local church, this could be the school for you. We're now accepting applications. Go to whbtc.org for more information.