← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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I receive it right now from the.
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Top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet. The soles of my feet. Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the Healer. And we are in the midst of a series that I am absolutely loving because it is the foundation of our redemption. We're teaching who we are in Christ. And if I could say this, this is the wisdom of God that belongs to every, every believer that we need to really establish on the inside of us. He has made us one with Him. And we have to gain understanding of what that means, because, listen, we all have an inheritance in Christ, but if we don't, if we're not knowledgeable of that inheritance, we'll think we'd have to get something. Something when really it already belongs to us in our inheritance. And to go further than where we're at, we have to have greater revelation and primarily revelation of who we are in Christ, what belongs to us because we're in Christ, and what we can do because we're in Christ and what God wants to do through us. And if we look at the life of Jesus, we will see what God intended for every one of his children. Jesus was a sample, son. He was an example of what God could be and is to be in every single one of us if we will establish ourselves in this understanding of who we are in Christ. And how many of you know the devil's going to fight that revelation? He does not want you to see yourself rightly. He wants you to see yourself merely from a natural standpoint. He wants you to see yourself from just, you know, just a carnal approach or based on, if I could say this, the standards of this world rather than the standards of the Word. And so we are finding out who we are in Christ. And the knowledge of who we are in Christ brings us into the highest order of faith. When you know who you are in Christ, faith is no longer a Struggle to you. And if I could say this, really it's the foundation. Who we are in Christ is the foundation of our redemption. Well, what do I mean when I say it's the foundation of our redemption? Well, notice this. When you go to build a building, the first thing they lay is the foundation. And because that foundation is there, then every other thing that is built can stand. And based on the strength of our foundation or the, if I could say this, how broad the foundation is, is going to determine what can be built on that foundation. Now sometimes if people are lacking some basic truths in their foundation, what God can build with them, it might have limitations on it. Because not that God's limited, but our foundation, if it is firmly rooted in who we are in Christ, a broad understanding of the word of God, then there can be a greater work that is built on that foundation. Let me put it to you this way. I was listening to one pastor years ago and he ended up building a building that seated 10,000 people and filled it. And a precious pastor. But in the earlier years of his pastorate, he had built a building and it was a two story building and they quickly outgrew it. And he contacted the contractor who built the building and he said, I want to add a third story onto this building. And the contractor said, you can't do that. And the pastor said, well, we own the building. Don't tell me I can't do that. And he said, you may own the building, but I built the foundation. And I know what that foundation can support. And it can only support a two story structure. It cannot support a three story structure. If you want to go to a different build, you have to, if you want to go to another story, you have to address the foundation. Well, I want you to know if we want to go further, sometimes we have to go back and make sure we have the broad foundation that's going to support where God is wanting to take us. And if I could say this, the foundation has to be inspected often. Do you know in the United States, if you are getting a loan from a bank and you're going to build, you're going to purchase a home and the bank is going to finance that home. Do you know they require an inspection of the foundation before they will even loan you the money? The house may be beautiful, the, the house may have beautifully furnished and have lovely finishes, but they don't care about what it looks like on top of that foundation. They're going after that foundation because they know if the foundation is compromised, if there's some kind of problem with that foundation. No matter how beautifully built the house is, that house is compromised. And so this is such a part of our foundation and is who we are in Christ. And if we don't establish that, then we, if we, what God can build in our lives is very limited. We have to find out who we are, what we can do, because we're in Christ, what belongs to us, because we are in Christ. So it's so important that when we find out who we are in Christ, we begin to see ourselves as God sees us. We must see ourselves in him and not apart from Him. And our true identity is who we are in Him. Our true identity is not outward distinctions. If you were to look at me as an outward distinction or people that are acquainted with me, they would know, number one, I'm a daughter, a sister, a wife. I've been an employee, I am now an employer. I'm a minister, I've pastored, now I'm a traveling ministry. But all of these outward distinctions are changeable, every single one of them. In fact, some of them no longer describe me. I mean, I'm not a wife anymore. My husband's in heaven, so I don't even hold that role anymore. But what if I would have attached my entire self worth to me as a wife? But that, that role, it changes then people many times because they really establish their identity to something changeable. That's why they become unsettled when changes happen in their lives. But I want you to know our true identity is in Him. And this is the unchanging identity. No matter who enters your life, no matter who exits your life, they cannot change the identity that you are in him and he is in you. You know, sometimes parents struggle when their children grow up and leave home. Well, if your identity is solely with you as a parent, that you attach your identity to being the mother or the father of a child and they leave and they get married, you're going to struggle with that transition. Listen, always see yourself as in him because that's never changing and you're not going to struggle. In times of seasons, changes that happen. You know, I was telling, I was telling a congregation I was preaching at recently, I said there's this phrase called the empty nest syndrome. You know, that parents that struggle when their children grow up and leave home, and all of a sudden they had their house full of children in activity for years. Then all of a sudden they turn around, the children are grown and the house has grown quiet and they're left looking at Each other, the husband and wife, and they go, where'd the children go? And the some will really struggle with that season change instead of seeing it. My goodness, job well done. You know, we got those children raised. They're out fulfilling the plan of God. They're out living on their own instead of really enjoying that season. They become depressed in that season. Why is that? Because they attached something of their self worth and their identity to being a parent. And I was telling somebody, I said, I found out how to not have the empty nest problem because when my youngest son, I guess he was about 20, he was living at home with me and my husband had already gone to heaven. My oldest son, he was out of the house. He was married with children of his own. And it was just my youngest son. And I left in the house and I bought a different home. And I said to my youngest son, I said, I'm going to keep this home, but I'm also going to. But I'm going to move into the new home. So now I have two homes. And I said, you're welcome to go with me into the new home. He says, no. He said, I don't want to go into that different home. He said, I'll stay here for a while. So he came home one day from the, you know, he works with us in the ministry. And he came home from the offices and I had moved everything out. I had left his bed, I had left his bedroom intact. I left him a couch, I left him the television, and I took everything else because all of it's mine anyway, you know, I mean, all of it's mine. And so I left him some, some things he could be comfortable with. And he walks in and he goes, what's going on? I said, I told you I'm moving. And I said, I offered for you to move with me and you decided you didn't want to move with me. You wanted to stay here. So what did I do? I didn't have an empty nest syndrome because he didn't leave the nest. I left the nest. That's how you avoid that. Be ready to change whatever God has for you. And then finally he ended up getting his own home. And, you know, he took care of his own home. Good for him. But I didn't go through the struggles that people went through because I recognize my identity is who I am in him. And not just as a mother, not just as, you know, a wife or something changeable. You know, for 25 years I pastored and I knew that my youngest son would one Day be the pastor. And right now he is. He has taken over the pastorate of the church. And we made that transition, and it was an easy transition for us because I always kept that in front of our congregation for years. I'd say my youngest son is called to be pastor, and as he's prepared, he will take that over. And so for. But for 25 years, I was pastor. But one day, God said to me, he said, I want you to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the church. Now, I'm not really one to. If I could say this, I'm not. How do you say it? I guess those things I don't really get too distracted with, or I don't get real taken up with, you know, those landmarks. And so God said to me, I want you to celebrate the 25th year of the church. And I said, well, I wasn't gonna do that, but, yeah, I'll do that if, you know, he's leading me to do that. And I didn't know why. Well, the night before that celebration of our 25th anniversary at the church, God said to me, the reason I wanted you to have this time of celebration, because it marks the end of your pastorate. And so I said, okay, you know, I knew it was coming. I didn't know when it was coming. But what if I would have attached my identity to just pastor? I was a pastor. But first, I am in him, and the pastorate role can change. And he put me in another office. Well, that's perfectly fine with me, because I'm always in him, but my true identity is always intact. And this is what sometimes, and I'm speaking especially to ministers right now, sometimes God will move us from one office to another. But what if we saw ourselves only as. And we found our true. Our identity attached to an office instead of attached to who we are in Christ? Then we're going to struggle at those times of transition. But there's no need to struggle, because when we're always in him, no matter what office he puts us into, no matter where he sends us, no matter what has us to do, and, you know, traveling, I travel all over the world. And I would say this. I have learned to be at home no matter where I'm at. Number one, the will of God is my home. And number two, I'm in Him. And no matter where I'm at, I'm in Him. I'm always at home in Him. And so we have to see ourselves, right? See ourselves as he sees us, because that is going to eliminate struggle out of our life. Now, I would say this. When we find out who we are in Christ, and I'm teaching you who we are in Christ, why is that? To help us come into full maturity. Because this is what grows us up. When we realize who we are in Christ, when we realize what our inheritance is because we belong to Christ. And when we realize the victory position that is ours because we're in Christ, that we're no longer to be pushed around by the enemy, no longer pushed around by circumstances. Why? Because we're in him. We're not in circumstances. Listen, circumstances come, but they don't define us. Our identity is not in some experience that we had in the past. You know, there are many people who have gone through very hurtful situations, but maybe the way they were raised, maybe there was a marriage that fell apart. We are not to see ourselves as a past experience. We're in him. And that gives us a wholeness in our understanding of who we are. If we. As a minister, for me, I want to help people grow up. I want them to mature in Christ. I don't want to hold them in a babyhood stage. What does that mean for me is that I want to teach people to learn to live out of their spirits and not live out of their souls. What's their soul, their mind, their will and their emotions? If people just live out of their minds, they're living out of the arena of reason, that if they can't figure it out, if they don't understand it, then they won't move with God in it. Well, that's going to be limiting, and that's going to rob people of the best and the highest. Because do you know that your spirit can believe things? Your mind cannot even believe reason, your mind can't calculate, your mind can't figure it out. And you go, well, Pastor Nancy, I don't know what you mean by that. Well, I think you can understand this is that when you were born again, you say, I received Jesus as my Lord, my Savior. I live for him all the days of my life. When you call on the name of the Lord to be saved, you were born again. You became a new creature in Christ. Not only that, you were delivered from the kingdom of darkness, translated into the kingdom of his dear Son. When you leave this earth, you will go to live forever with the Father in heaven. And you go, I haven't seen any of that happen. I haven't seen. I don't know, maybe most Christians haven't seen heaven, but yet they believe they're born Again, they believe something they've not seen, seen naturally with their eyes. What is that? The mind doesn't have to figure that out before the heart can believe that. I believe when I leave this earth, I'm going to heaven. How does my mind. How does my mind can't reason by me saying, jesus, I call you my Lord and Savior. How does that translate me from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of God? I don't understand that with my mind, but my heart believes it. And I want you to know that if you're just going to live this life on the soulish arena out of what you can figure out with your mind, then what's going to happen? You're going to be robbed from really living the highest life of who you are in Christ. Because your spirit can believe things. Your mind cannot reason, calculate or formulate. And so know this, you are a spirit being. You are created in the image of God that's talking about the feature of your spirit, that he is a spirit being and you are a spirit being. You have a soul, you possess a soul. The soul is the mind, the will and the emotions. And you live in a body. Your spirit is to be master, your soul is to be a servant serving you. And your body is to be your slave that it moves at your command, at the command of your spirit. Now if people get that out of order and their body starts dominating and ruling them and running them and pushing them around, the body can lead a life into ruin because the body will want things that will damage and harm a person's existence. But your body doesn't have the stuff to lead you. That's why God didn't put it in the lead. He made your body to be your slave. It's your instrument, your tool to help you carry out the plan of God to that's in your spirit, the work that God has assigned to your life, then he's given you your soul, your mind, your will and your emotions to serve you. Did you know you can't believe God with your mind? There's no faith in your mind. Now you can teach your mind faith thoughts, but the faith of God is resident in your spirit. And as we feed on the word of God, as we speak the word of God and we take the word of God in the that the word of God is food for our spirit, but it's also food for our mind. And we can give our mind faith thoughts. And that means we take on the thoughts of God. So with the faith in our spirit, when our mind is renewed with the word of God, then our mind will agree with the faith that's in our spirit. But if our mind is unrenewed and we don't have faith thoughts, then what will happen? The mind will reason against and argue against the faith that's in our spirit and will hold our spirits captive, hold our faith captive, and will not let our faith take the lead. But we are not to let our minds, our souls, take the lead. Because there is not in the soul of man the stuff to lead our life. There is in the spirit of man, the faith of God, the life of God, the nature of God, the strength of God. Everything that God deals with us about is through the spirit of man. And so as we let our spirits take the lead, then our minds don't push us around anymore. Because the mind is the arena that the devil's going to oppose in. He also wants to oppose you in the physical arena. But when your spirit is master, your soul is servant, and your body is slave, then you can live the kind of life God intended. Now, you have to see this, that if you just. If I were to just minister to you on the level of your soul. I hold you in the soulish arena, but I want to minister to you on the level of your spirit, who he made you to be in Christ. What belongs to you in Christ. If I'm gonna minister to you on the level of your soul, I'm gonna go back, I'm gonna talk about your past. I'm gonna talk about your feelings. I'm gonna talk about your experience. Experiences and how somebody hurt you and how somebody did you wrong. But every time we point people to the soulish arena, we're holding them in the lowest, in a lower flow. Because our soul can, if we allow it, it can be troubled. We don't want to have a troubled soul. So many people have. Their lives have been troubled because they're entrenched in that soulish arena. All they talk about is what somebody did to them. All they talk about is an experience they had. All they talk about is something that went wrong in their life, something that hurt them, a person that hurt them. Well, they're talking about their feelings. They're talking about that soulish arena. But what I want to do is talk to you about. You have. You are one with Christ. And in Christ, the blood of Jesus has washed away the past, cleansed you. And you do listen. When you got born again, God did not try to fix your past. You know what he did? He washed it away. The blood of Jesus cleansed you. He did not go back and fix the past. He gave you a brand new start. To hold someone in their soulish arena is to talk about their past all the time. To refer to and try to psychologically. Well, I've got to address this by talking it out. The more you talk out, you're really letting it in. What we need to talk about is who we are in Christ on the spiritual level, that we are new creatures in Christ. He gave me a brand new start. The blood of Jesus has cleansed my past. The blood of Jesus made it as though I never missed it. And I forgive, I walk in love. The nine fruits of the spirit are in my spirit. And I am now living on the level that God would have me to live on because I have the nature of God, I have the life of God. And I'm not going to try to just feel better about the soulish arena that really needs to be forgotten. Because I want you to know your past is worthy of one thing and that's forgetting the past of someone else is worthy of one thing. Forgetting, not rehearsing it, not bringing it back up, not talking it out. Because like I said, when you think you're talking it out, you're really letting it in and getting further entrenched in that soulish arena. So a place and it will hold them in babyhood stage. Someone who constantly talks about the soulish arena, their mind, their will, their emotions and they live at that level. They're being cheated of the greatest flow, which is the level of their spirit, of who they are in Christ, who we are in Christ, what belongs to us because we're in Christ, and what we can do because we're in Christ, that's the talk of the mature. But to talk about my hurts, my faults, my failures, my weaknesses, my shame, what I did wrong, what somebody else did to me is to talk out of the old man. It's to talk out of a lower level and it will keep people in a undeveloped spiritual state. Talk about in Christ, I am righteous, in Christ he makes me whole. He gave me a brand new start. Talk about what Jesus did for you instead of talking about what life did against you. Don't talk about what the enemy has worked against your life. Talk about what Jesus has done for your life, to restore your life, to make you whole instead. So many times people get entrenched and they say, well, I'm just giving my testimony. But they're giving it not from a place of victory, but they're talking about it from a Place of hurt. And so we are redeemed from our past. Our past is worthy of one thing, and that's the blood of Jesus. Cleansing it and forgetting it and putting it back as though we never missed it. And that's why the Word tells us that we are new creatures in Christ. Old things are passed away. Don't talk about and keep before you all the time the things that were meant to pass away by the blood of Jesus. You know, when Jesus went to the cross, he took us with him. We were nailed to the cross when Jesus was buried, that old man who we were before Christ was buried. But when we were raised, we were raised with him. New creatures in Christ. And we are seated at the right hand of the throne. We're seated at the right hand of God. We're seated in that place of authority above all evil powers, above all opposition. And we need to be talking about what he has made us to be instead of what has come against us in our life. Because we're not trying to cope with our past. We are to let the blood of Jesus cleanse it. And then we are to rule and reign. That when our past tries to trouble us, we say, no, you don't. I'm a spirit being and I'm not living on the level of the soul, the mind and the will, the emotions. I'm ruling and reigning from who I am in Christ and who he is in me. And my soul will not be troubled by my past. My soul will not live under condemnation and shame and regret and remorse. I have been made a new creature in Christ. So just know this. When we build and establish who we are in Christ, in us, we come into full spiritual maturity. But if we just live out of that soulish arena, it holds us in a carnal babyhood state. And that's when the devil's pushing us around. Well, I want you to know we're not to be pushed around by the devil. We're to rule and reign in this life. And that's because we are in Christ and Christ is in us. Well, you don't want to miss next time. And until next time, remember this Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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Dufresne, following the Holy Spirit, you will learn how to recognize and follow the leading of the Spirit and receive God's help in every arena of your life. Order this book now@dufresneministries.org Jesus gave us the key to his success. He stayed with the plan that God gave Him to fulfill. In this book by Nancy Dufresne, God the Revealer of Secrets, you will learn how to know God's perfect will for your life and how to accomplish that divine plan. Order this book now@DefrainMinistries.org if you need prayer, please call our prayer line. We have trained ministers on staff who are ready to agree with you for your miracle.
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We'Re excited to announce a new worship album called in youn Glory by Grant Dufresne. For more ways to listen to in youn Glory, scan the QR code on your screen. In youn presence is my free word, you glorious I want you to know that every single person in this world needs a Savior. And the greatest thing of all is that we have one. But this Savior must be welcomed. This Savior must be received. And it's so easy to receive Jesus as the Savior. The Word says that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. So right now do that with me. Say, Jesus, I receive you as my Savior. Come into my heart and be the Lord of my life, and I'll live for you all the days of my life. God bless you.