← Jesus the Healer w/ Nancy Dufresne Audio Podcast
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Thank you to Kenneth Copeland Ministries for sowing the airtime for this broadcast.
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There's enough power in every sick room and in every hospital room to raise up that sick one that may be describing you. You may be in a sick room, you may be in a hospital room. And I want to remind you, power is present. That power is there to do a work, believe in what's not. Try to get something, but notice that he's already made it yours. It's present right where you're at. Say, I receive that power. I receive that power. I receive it right now.
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I receive it right now from the
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top of my head. From the top of my head. The soles of my feet.
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The soles of my feet.
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Welcome. We're so glad to have you with us today for Jesus the healer. We're going to be continuing in the series called In Christ. I can, and I'm sure many of you have joined us all along the way. So thank you for staying with us in this series. We're coming up on about a year on this series. I think we're a few episodes short. But, you know, if God wanted to keep us on this for two years, five years, however long, we could never exhaust all that belongs to us in Christ. And so we're just so glad to be able to take this time to share it with you, to teach, to teach you. And we're just grateful that God is showing us what he is showing us. On the previous episode, we started looking at Ephesians chapter 3 and verse 20, and I want to continue along that direction again. This is the King James translation of Ephesians 3, verse 20, and it reads now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think according to the power that worketh in us. Look at the adjectives here. Exceeding abundantly above. To God and to the translators here, it was not just enough to say God's above it. They said, exceeding abundantly above. I want you to know that anything you can ask, anything that you can think, that's what this verse says, what you ask above all that we ask, above all that we think. If you can ask it, if you can think of it, God wants to do exceedingly, abundantly above that. When you think you have reached the limits of your tippy toes in faith of I'm asking so big for this. Well, exceeding abundantly above all of that is what God has available for you. So what's that mean? Don't stop with your thinking, don't stop with your asking, because if we will tap into the mind of God, he will cause us to ask for things that we would have never known to ask for. He'll cause us to think in ways that we would have never dared to think. But what is he doing? He's inviting us into His. His level of thinking, into the ways he operates. Because the Word tells us that God spoke and he said, my ways are higher than your ways. My thoughts are higher than your thoughts. He's not just reveling in the. In keeping us mindful that we're so much lower. No, he's inviting us to come up to his ways, inviting us to come up to his thinking. So if you can think of it on your own, know this God. God invites you higher. And if you can think of a solution for your situation, God's not going to use it. Why? Because his thoughts are higher. He won't take our low thoughts. Now, sometimes God will help us to know something. I'll perceive. No doubt you have too, at different times, perceived how God was going to do something, and he did it. But that didn't originate with you. That originated with the leading of the Spirit. Many times the Spirit of God will say, put your faith on this, and as you join your faith to it, then God can bring it to pass. But that thought of how he was going to move the avenue he was going to use did not originate with you. It originated with Him. But any thought that originates with us, he's not going to use it. Why? Because His. His way is so much higher. And not only that, it's so much better. I want you to know God sees the whole picture. We just see in part. We only know in part. But he sees the entire whole. And so we don't cast away our confidence when we offer God counsel. And he doesn't take it because there's no verse that we're standing on to offer God our counsel. But there's a lot of people who decided God should have operated in their life in a certain way. And when he didn't, they cast away their confidence because they saw themselves as needing to offer God counsel. Listen, He. God is smarter than every one of us. And so when he does it, when he fulfills a certain. A certain method, a certain avenue, a certain way that he works. Just know this, your best is in mind. He's always doing what's best for you. And I've learned this about God. He doesn't do what's most convenient. He doesn't do what's most comfortable. But he always does what's best. And so on the previous episode, we were talking about how Daniel would have no doubt thought all along the way when he was being accused falsely of charges that were trumped up against him. And God didn't deliver him along the way at all. But God did deliver him. Well, why was that? Because God was going to not just deliver Daniel, he was going to rid him of his enemies that would never rise again to trouble his life. See, God's thinking of the whole picture now. Think about this. Look at the life of Joseph. This is one life that I so appreciate. When you see the life of, you see the life of Daniel, you see the life of Samuel, you see the life of Joseph. There's no scandal around any of those men's lives. They lived clean before God. There was nothing that the enemy could do to show. To show them in a negative light because they lived consecrated and they lived right before God. But I want you to know this. Think of this. God had a plan for Joseph. And Joseph was given two dreams by God. And no doubt Joseph was pleased to see the dreams. He told his family about the dreams and they weren't thrilled to hear the unveiling of his future to him. And God did not show Joseph the dreams so that he could tout that or try to impress others with what God had shown him. Whenever God showed him those dreams, it was because the way was going to be so difficult ahead of him, the challenges would be so great that he would need those dreams to hold him steady in the face of opposition. So if I could say this, I don't really long for God to show me a lot about the future in a. I want to see it in the way that I need, you know, for my faith, but not to hold me steady because there's coming such opposition that God's going to show me something to hold me steady. That means I don't say, oh, God prophesy to me, show me a dream, show me this, show me that. I just rather, by the inward witness, just follow the Holy Ghost day by day by day. Because that means that I don't need anything more to hold me steady. But God showed Joseph something very dramatic because he was going to need that to hold him steady in the face of all the adversity that would come against him. Listen, God was not sending hardship to Joseph's life, but God knew that the course he had planned for Joseph would require a quick, accelerated maturing of Joseph. So Joseph's brothers were. They were so jealous that they decided to sell their Brother into slavery. Now, you would think in the mind of Joseph that he could have thought of. Now, see, I'm still thinking about this verse, Ephesians 3, verse 20, where it says that God will do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think. You know that when. When Joseph was thrown in that pit by his brothers, they intended to kill him originally, but they ended up selling him into slavery instead. You would have known that Joseph would have been in that pit and thought, God, now would be a good time to deliver me so you can fulfill those dreams that you gave me. And God didn't move. It looks like he's a forgotten man. It looks like that God is not noticing what's happening to him. So he's not only left in that pit until these travelers come that are on the way to Egypt and the brothers haul him out of the pit, not to deliver him, but to sell him into slavery he goes. He leaves the land that he's grown up in. He leaves his home, he leaves all he knows. And here he is. He's living a rural life. He's living the life of a country boy. He's living the life. He's a shepherd boy. I don't know how often he had been to a city setting, but no doubt Egypt was foreign land to him. And he's sent into this place that's a great metropolis. What an assault on his senses. He hadn't been in that kind of a setting in his whole life. And now he's left the simplicity of his life. He's in a hustling, bustling city. And he's there not of his own accord, not of his own choosing, not as someone there to experience this great metropolis. But he's there as a slave. He's lost the ownership of his own life. He's put on the auction block. And now a man by the name of Potiphar, who is the head of Pharaoh's military, buys this young man. And it said that when he was serving in the house of Potiphar. Listen, As a slave, he's serving this man who has bought him. How Joseph could have been offended, how Joseph could have hated a man who bought him, how he could have hated that he's lost his freedom. He's a teenager. He's. He's about 17 years old at the time. How he could have taken offense with his brothers, how he could have buried on the inside of him such a bitterness, such a hate toward how he had been treated, how he could have cast away his confidence and say, God, you Showed me a dream. But look what you've let happen. How many times people have accused God for other people's actions? Know this. When someone has mistreated you. God didn't offer that. And how many times people have accused God of failing them because of how other people treated them? Know this. People's actions is not God's actions. And if you confuse these two things, you will allow the devil to dupe you out of your faith and out of your fellowship with God. Don't ever blame God for people's actions. And Joseph protected his heart. He did not blame God for what his brothers did. He didn't blame God that Potiphar bought him just like a piece of merchandise and took his youth and turned him into a slave. He lost his freedom in a day's time. And so Potiphar saw that there was something special about Joseph. Now would he have seen that if Joseph would immediately developed a hard heart? Listen, it doesn't take but a moment for your heart to go hard. It doesn't take but a moment for offense to set up in someone, rebellion to set up in someone, bitterness and unforgiveness to set up in someone only takes a moment, doesn't take a lifetime. And so in those moments of that opposition that showed up in Joseph's life, he protected his heart. If there's one thing that I so appreciate when I read or study about the life of Joseph or even think about what his life looked like, I appreciate this. He was a man who guarded his heart. This is what we see all along the way that if you want to have a large faith, you better guard your heart against anything that would rob you of faith and injure your faith in God. Never blame someone. Never blame God for what someone else did. That's a small way of thinking. And too many times we accuse God with people's actions and God had nothing to do with it. And people will get this mindset. Well, God could have intervened. God's not. People are not a puppet in God's hands. God has made humanity free will, moral agents. Meaning God's not controlling the wills of people. God has to work with someone who will yield to him, respond to him, obey him. So when people do opposite of what God says, that's not God's fault. And so we cannot accuse God. And we have to love God and value God more than we become disappointed in other people. We cannot put these in the same category. God and the actions of people is not anything that we link to God. People's actions are Always independent of God when they don't represent God. If it's not what God would do, God had nothing to do with it. And it's right thinking that says, I will not blame God for these people's actions. God did not tell him to do that. God did not empower him to do that. It's the devil who steals, kills and destroys. And how many times God has been blamed for people who yielded to the devil. And God has been blamed from. From really the beginning of creation. I mean, in the garden, when he went to visit Adam and Eve like he did on previous times. Adam said, it's the woman you gave me. He tried to blame God for his fall. Eve tried to blame the serpent. I mean, none of them would take the blame. And they all went back, God, you're the one that gave me her. So what do we see here? We see that the devil has been twisting the thinking in the minds of humanity all along. The generations trying to blame God for people's actions when they were being controlled and used by the enemy. So keep your heart right before God. Recognize he has nothing to do with anything that injures someone's life. And so this is what. When you will protect your faith in God, when you don't understand everything that's going on, that's faith. Anybody can believe God if they understood everything. It takes faith in God and a love for God that refuses to blame God for what other people have done. When you don't understand everything. Do you think Joseph understood everything? No. Do you think God did? Yes. Do you think God is the one that moved these people to oppose Joseph's life? No, he didn't. But God saw the big picture. And Joseph trusted God even when he didn't understand. If we will only trust God when we understand, that's a low level of faith. It's a robust faith. It's a strong faith. Whenever we say, father, I don't understand, but I know this. You're nothing but good. You've done me nothing but good. And I will not cast away my confidence in you just because I don't understand something. I want you to know the majority are tempted to blame God. Jesus preached a sermon. He said, if you don't eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no part with me. What's he saying? These are covenant terms he was talking about. These are actions of covenant. And it said, the people, from that day forward, the multitudes quit following him. From that day forward, notice the ones that had been healed, the ones that had been Delivered the ones who had taken up their beds and walked, the ones who had their eyesight restored, the lepers who had been cleansed. They heard one sermon they didn't understand and they left him. And Jesus turned around and all he had Left was the 12 disciples. And I love what he said. He said, you want to go on too? In other words, everyone's exiting. Take your opportunity. If you're going to exit, this is the time to do it. And Peter didn't understand that sermon any more than the rest of that multitude. But Peter said, if we leave you, where do we go? I want you to know, in pastoring in 25 years, I heard at different times people say how they were mad at God because a loved one died. They should have been mad at the devil. He's the one that steals, kills and destroys. But they didn't know where to place that. They blamed God for something the devil did. And God's not ruling people. God lets people choose. It's the devil who violates the will of people and pushes and pressures them and tries to drive them into doing something wrong. God, in his great honor, will never push or drive people trying to make them do something. He invites them to choose. He invites them to respond to him. But God does not operate the same way the devil operates. And so in my years of pastoring, there were a few times that I would hear people say, well, I'm mad at God because this loved one died or that loved one died. And I'd ask them, how's that working out for you? How's that working out for you to get mad at God? It's not going to bless your life. Because what you're doing is you're blaming the only one who ever loved you unconditionally. You're cutting off and shutting the door to the one who blamed, who loved you unconditionally, who has worked and delivered you time and time again. This is what real faith is. I don't have to understand to trust my father. I don't have to understand how he's going to work in my behalf before I trust him. I trust him because he's good. I trust him because he's faithful. I trust him because he's never shown me anything but goodness. And the devil wants to distort your view of God. He wants to twist up your view of God so that you wrongly blame God because then you cut off your ability to receive from him. Joseph protected his heart from that as a teenager. He recognized, I cannot let unforgiveness Bitterness, ill will toward anything that's been done to me, I can't let it in my heart. And so what do we see? There was such a spirit of excellence about this young man that Potiphar says, don't put this one in the field to work. Put him in my house to work. He trusted him to be in the inner workings of his life. And the Bible says that Joseph was a prosperous man. Think of this. He's just been sold into slavery. He's been placed into Potiphar's house. But the Bible says he was a prosperous man. And then it tells us why he was called a prosperous man. Because God was with him. It's not money that prospers us. It's not things that make us prosperous. It's who's with us. And in the New Covenant, it's who's in us. And so this is our wealth, this is our prosperity. He who is in us, the greater one who's in us. Christ in us. He is our prosperity. So Joseph, even though he was sold as a slave, he did not bring offense to that household. We don't have any record of him speaking against the man who purchased him. Now think of this. If Joseph would have stayed in the field as a shepherd boy, his education would have been just in that arena. He would have only known what that rural life taught him. But now that he's in Egypt, he's exposed to a whole other level of education. Potiphar. It says he turned everything of his household over to him. That he managed everything of Potiphar's, that there was nothing of his household that was not under Joseph's command and control. Know this. Potiphar trained Joseph in finances. Potiphar. Potiphar trained him how to handle his finances. He taught him how to handle a household. He taught him how to handle staff, how to handle the slaves that worked in the field. Because the house controlled everything that was around that home. And so Potiphar gave him a first rate education he never could have gotten in the fields as a shepherd boy. Think of this. And he's not having to pay for this education. It's not costing him. How many times people have gone into great debt to get an academic education. This man is getting a first front row seat education from a leading military man in the nation. And he's not, he's not rejecting that education by being offended. He sees it as an opportunity. So he's learning how to operate at the level of a general. He's not operating at the level of a shepherd. Boy, he's operating at the level of a general, the man who's leading Pharaoh's army. So notice this. He doesn't become offended with that place. He becomes a student of that place. What am I saying to you? No matter where life puts you, become a student. Don't walk out of that place twisted up. Walk out of that place with greater light, greater revelation, greater education. Because God will use difficult places to teach you things that you would have never learned when you were in that seat of comfort. God is not bringing hardship, but God will certainly use it to help you grow up. And if you'll take advantage of those places not to become offended, you will become. You will mature at an accelerated rate. And when you mature at an accelerated rate, God can take you further. Listen, don't stay the way you are. Don't just say, well, this is the way I am. This is the way my personality is. This is the way I communicate. This is the way I operate. Because we are changed from glory to glory. And if you refuse to come up to a higher level, if you refuse to come up to another level of excellence, then what's going to happen? You're going to leave out a greater degree of glory that God's offering you? Listen, never. Just stay. Just say, this is the way I am. Because there's always a better version of you. There's always a more glorious version of you that God wants to bring you into. And if you want to go into further places, you have to come into greater change. You can't stay the way you were. Communicate the way you've always communicated. Handle your marriage the way you've always handled it. Handle your the way you always handle it. Well, that's just the way I am. Well, God offers you something more. Joseph could have just sat in that place and been offended and said, well, that's just the way I am. But he didn't do that. He came up and he came into the thinking of a general. He came into thinking of a man of ranking. And I want you to know your thinking can always come up. And God offers you the highest thinking. He offers you his own thoughts. The thoughts of God are offered. You don't take low thoughts by being offended, being in unforgiveness, being in bitterness. All of that is designed to hold you in a low place of living. And it will rob you of higher flows that God offers you. Joseph took God up, he became educated in this difficult place. And it looks like, you know, he would have no doubt thought, hey, God now would be A good time to deliver me. God didn't deliver him. The whole time he was a slave, he was put. He was allowing him to be there, to learn. God was building a man. God didn't put him in the hard place, but God used the hard place to build his man. Listen, God's not trying to give us just ease and comfort. He's bringing us into the fullness of what he has for us. Then you think, can it get any worse? He's a slave. Yeah, hang on a minute. Joseph. You're going to get falsely accused. You're going to go through a mock trial and accused of a crime you didn't commit. But for 12 years now, you think Joseph could have thought, God, today would be a good day to work my deliverance? Today would be. And that went for 12 years. It looks like God's forgotten him. But know this, Joseph, for 12 years was protecting his heart. But at the end, he wakes up one morning in the prison. That night, he goes to bed next to the king. Next in authority to the king. And God did that in one day. But look, he was building him for 12 years. Joseph came out of prison when he was 30 years old. And at the time he was 30 years old, he was so developed and so skilled in this education, he got an accelerated education. But by the time he's 30, he's ready to run the economy of the greatest nation on earth. No doubt Joseph would have never seen that the day he was sold into slavery. But God saw the big picture. And know this, that God's thinking is higher than your thinking. Don't limit God to how you think. Say God, the way you do it, the way you lead me, that's always the highest way. And I'm not going to limit you by my thinking, but I come up to your thinking. Amen. Well, I want you to know God will bring. He will do exceedingly, abundantly, above all that we ask or think. Don't settle for low thinking. Don't settle for low asking. Come on up because there's more for you in the abundance of God. Amen. Well, you don't want to miss next time. And until next time, remember this. Jesus is the healer. God bless you.
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I want you to know that every single person in this world needs a Savior. And the greatest thing of all is that we have one. But this Savior must be welcomed. This Savior must be received. And it's so easy to receive Jesus as the Savior. The Word says that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. So right now do that with me. Say Jesus, I receive you as my Savior. Come in into my heart and be the Lord of my life and I'll live for you all the days of my life. God bless you.