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This is Jocko, podcast number 520 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo.
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Good evening.
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Every minute counts and you're not going to get any extra minutes. That's the way it works. So I was up in Vegas for the UFC BJJ grappling match. Have you been paying attention to this type of event?
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I have.
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So my daughter Rana, she was invited to go and compete. It's a great event, giant stage at the ufc. Apex arena had lots of flash flashbacks from my days of coaching in ufc. And it's like I said, it's a big arena or not. The arena might not be big, but it's a big stage because it's live stream on YouTube. You know, it's good, good pay for the young grapplers, hotel transportation. I know this might not seem like a big deal, but in the Jiu Jitsu world, that's kind of a big deal.
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Yeah.
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And Rana was pitted against a very tough competitor, opponent, a girl by the name of Bella Muir. This is the daughter of Frank Muir, who's a former UFC heavyweight champion, I think. Two time heavyweight champion, but, and that's cool. Awesome. Frank's a great guy and a Jiu Jitsu guy from kind of the same era as me, I guess, maybe. Yeah, pretty much the same era. I, I was older than him, but we were the same era. He just started younger because Jiu Jitsu wasn't really a thing when I was his age. But stud, great guy. And yeah, and she is not just Frank M's daughter. She's a four time, four time state high school champion wrestler. She's got MMA fights, She's a junior folk style national champion. She was recruited and went out and wrestled at the University of Iowa. You know, I think she moved colleges since then, but, and she's really good at Jiu Jitsu, obviously. She's won IBJF championships in a couple different belt levels and, and then she's going against my daughter Rana. Rana was a wrestler in high school, but not, certainly not as accomplished as Bella. You know, renovated to state, but I think she won one, lost two. So she's more of a Jiu Jitsu player now. Obviously she loves jitsu. You can hear, we've, we've had her on the podcast, episode 461, if you want to hear about her life and how, or her competitive life in Jiu jitsu. But this is a good, good match. Did you watch it?
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Yes, I did.
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It's a battle, it's a, it's A fight, it's a. It's a war. And. And it kind of is. It kind of plays out sort of the way you would think it would play out. You have someone that's a really dominant wrestler, very strong, and that's Bella, and she kind of gets takedown, especially in the first round, gets a great takedown, gets dominant positions, tries a couple subs, you know, gets a, like an arm choke, Just, just really tough. Rana also really tough, kind of gets, you know, hangs tough through those attempts, throws a couple submissions. Rana throws a couple submissions back at Bella towards the end of the first round, kind of at least recovers a little bit. Second round, again, great wrestling from Bella and. And now it's a little bit more opened up. There's a little bit more jujitsu taking place. Rana's, you know, making. I'd have to re. Watch the match, but she's going for legs, she's going for arms, and, And. But still, Bella's kind of positionally dominant, so good for her. And, and she's also getting out of Rana's submission attempts, so that's credit there. And then the third round, I think, ran a shot on her the third round, and I think she just did that to try and get the Jiu jitsu started. Like, let's. Let's just start. Let's just get. Get it to the ground. And Rana was throwing all kinds of submissions, you know, kind of the kitchen sink of. Of submission attempts. And Bella again, she's awesome competitor, awesome Jiu jitsu, awesome wrestler. She's just toughening out, great defense and maintaining positional dominance. And right at the fight, as the fight ended, Rana had another nice, like, knee bar attempt. Ends up being a real, you know, that's like. As the whistle blew, that's what happened. So really entertaining match, competitive match, respectful. And like I said, Bella did a great job controlling the position. She stayed on top, she escaped submission attempts, and she got the nod for the victory. So that's what happened. We get done, and, you know, for me, I don't see the picture. I posted. I posted a couple pictures of it. It's like, of course, pretty amazing for a dad to be there. You know, I love Jiu Jitsu, and here's my daughter competing at the highest level, or at least in the highest level arena that you can compete in. You know, there's obviously, there's adcc, there's ibjjf, and there's UFC bjj. And those are all, all good, good to watch, but those are like the highest that you can get in the sport is these things. And so she was in one of them. She's done ADCC before. She does IBJF as well. But, you know, it's pretty cool. I get to go there, get to coach my daughter. I love Jiu Jitsu. She loves Jiu Jitsu. Like, if you can. If you can be very content in one thing in your life, if your kids love what you love, it's. It's a pretty damn good thing. But after the match, as much as she loves Jiu Jitsu and she loves competing, get taking the loss never feels good. So she's kind of, you know, she's bummed. And having been around her a lot, I knew that win or lose, you got to give, you know, the competitor some space to, like, decompress a little bit. And she's all sad and she's emotional and whatnot. But, yeah, know, eventually she calms down and she says, you know, she gives me a hug and she. She says, if I only had one more minute. If I only had one more minute. And, you know, you can take that for what it's worth. In the Jiu Jitsu competition, like, Bella had defended every submission, and, you know, that's just the way it was. But the feeling of, you get done. The feeling of, if I only had one more minute. And I, I. It just, like, was one of those statements that just landed on me because that's the way life goes. We are going to run out of time. And when our time is up, I'm sure, I'm sure. And I'm dreading having the thought in my mind, if I only had one more minute, Because you're not going to get it. And, you know, when Rana said that to me, of course she's. She says that. I don't, like, respond back. Well, I think there's some philosophical thing, but in my mind, I'm thinking, you don't get one more minute. It's not the way it works. That's not the way life works. And none of us get one more minute. And that is why we have to make sure that we make every minute count. Every minute has to count. There's a Shakespeare play, Richard ii and Richard ii, at this juncture in the play, he's been deposed as king. He's in a prison cell. He has no more power. He's kind of squandered his. His opportunity to be a king and be a leader. And he delivers this line as part of a soliloquy. He says, I Wasted time. Now time doth waste me. And we have to think about what that means. I wasted time. Now time doth waste me. Because like I said for him, when he had the opportunity, when he had the power, he made vain decisions, he made impulsive maneuvers, and he didn't do what he, looking back, he knows he should have done with the time that he had. And that's the way it goes down for many people, for many of us, we waste time. We waste time with impulsive decisions. We waste time with egotistical decisions. We waste time with immediate gratification. And none of those things are going to be helpful. We waste our time. We don't value the minutes that we have. And as we're closing out 20, 25, if you do a time audit, an assessment. No, an assessment's not strong enough. An audit, a straight up audit. How much time have you wasted this year? Right. If you answer that question honestly, how much time have you wasted this year? And you get to the end of the year and you look back at what you did and what you didn't do, and maybe you think to yourself, if I could just get one more minute, one more day, one more week, one more month just to get that stuff done that I wanted to get done, Negative, it's not happening. We get what we get. We get what we get, and we cannot squander our time. You know, in the extreme ownership leadership loop that I wrote about, leadership strategy and tactics, expanded addition that I talk about with clients all the time, when making decisions. The very first thing that I consider when making decisions is how much time do I have to make this decision? How much time do I have? And the reason that that's the number one thing that I think about is because it is the only thing that I cannot control. There's. You cannot. Look, you can, you can maneuver around it. It's just like a piece of terrain. Like, you can. You can't go. You can't move the mountain. You have to move around the mountain. You can't move the river. You have to. You have to maneuver around the river. You can't maneuver. You can't move time. You have to maneuver around time. So you can proactively do things to stay ahead of the power curve, but you cannot change it. The clock is ticking. You ever been to a scholastic surf contest or a regular surf contest?
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Yeah.
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What's cool about. Especially compared to a wrestling in high school, in wrestling in high school. Gosh, it's, it's, it's miserable. From a time perspective, because they do basically one round of each weight class. So, you know, there's 64 people in the first weight class at 108. And then there's. And so they do the first round, and then you got to wait till all those people have gone. And who knows how long that's going to take? It's total mystery. And so you might be waiting around for an hour and a half. You might be waiting for three hours, might be two hours, might be one hour. You just don't know. It's just chaos. And then that goes on the whole day. So your whole day is, you know, hours of boredom and waiting, followed by six minutes of total freaking chaos, followed by hours of waiting. Surf contests. What's cool about surf contests is it's just by the clock, and your heat is at 6:45 and you have 15 minutes. So at 6:45, regardless of what's going on, you're getting in the water and you can surf until seven. Big waves come.
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Cool.
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No waves come. That's the way it is. That's just what the way it is. So you know, like, you know the day before exactly what time you're going to be surfing or your kid is going to be surfing. In my case, 7:45. First heat. Okay, Cool. Boom. You make it through that heat. Here's the second heat. 9:20 or 9:15. Boom. And you know exactly. And it's just. It's just like the clock doesn't stop. Doesn't matter what happens, the clock doesn't stop. So that's the way. That's why time is, to me, the most critical thing that we pay attention to and how much do we have? And yet people are just constantly just letting it go, just letting it slip through our fingers and letting it just fall away. And it's a limited capacity. And look, when you take. When you take a. The total time allotted and you bring it down to 15 minutes, which is how long Rand's match was. 15 minutes. An extra minute is.
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Is a lot, right?
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But with us, with life. I'm 54 years old right now. How old are you?
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48.
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48 years old. Like, one minute in 48 years isn't that big of a deal. But then you start thinking about how many of them start adding up and what does that give you. So we need to pay attention to it. Same thing. If at the muster this year, I was talking about with, with Dave, I was talking about the power curve and staying ahead of the power curve. That was a term that we use in the Military. I didn't even know what it meant. I. I didn't know where it came from. I understood what it meant. But in aviation, you get to a certain point if you get behind the power curve, if you're. If your aircraft is flying too slow to create lift, it doesn't matter how much power you put into your. Your propeller, it doesn't have the power to make it fly again. So you're falling out of the sky. So you can't. If that's what they call getting behind the power curve. And it's just like in life, you have certain tasks and certain things that you need to get done at a certain point. If you're not. If you're not staying ahead of those things, you're not going to be able to get them done. It's not happening. It's not happening. So you have to stay ahead of the power curve. And that's why every little tiny thing that you can do right now matters. Because it's not. Doesn't seem like a big deal. The little task that you're supposed to do today, that you blow off until tomorrow, that little one little task by itself, by its own, it doesn't really matter. Like, it's no big deal. It's only gonna take seven minutes. It's only gonna take seven minutes. I can get it done tomorrow. Then what happens tomorrow? All of a sudden you got two unexpected tasks. One of them is 43 minutes, one of them is 58 minutes. And next thing you know, that little task that you were supposed to do today, now you can't do it tomorrow. And guess what? Now since you didn't do, expands into something else. Now you gotta fill out another form. You gotta do other things to cover for the fact that you can do this thing. And eventually you might get to the point where you're behind the power curve. And now we're not getting out. It's like the event horizon. You know what the event horizon is?
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Yes, sir.
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Event horizon. You get to a point where there's no escape in that black hole. You just have too much, you know, from a financial. That's when people go bankrupt. They just can't. There's. They can't recover from where they're at, so they have to declare bankruptcy. So we don't want to let that happen with our time, because you can't. You can declare bankruptcy with money, but you can't declare bankruptcy with time. There's nothing anyone could do about it. Not the president, not the Pope, not the King. No one can do it. You. Oh, you don't. You want more time? Can't give it to you. No one can give it to you. There's no bankruptcy of time. You can't get it back. So we've got to be careful. We cannot squander our time. We're doing Deaf res, I think, def Reset this year. That we're doing, I believe, is a. It's a good overall time audit of life. The discipline equals freedom. Reset. It's. We've done it. How many years do you think we've done the deaf Reset for? Feels like four, four, maybe five. We did a couple internal at Echelon front.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And then people were. People got a lot out of it, so we expanded it. But it's, you know, we're doing January, January 1, New Year, New me. You heard this expression?
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Of course.
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New Year, new me, New Year, new me. Because everyone, everyone decides, oh, it's a new year. I'm going to start all over again. I'm going to start. Become awesome this year. I say, that's a good call. Become awesome this year. Let's go for it. The deaf reset. 4 weeks unmitigated daily discipline in all things. That's what it is. A month of doing what you're supposed to. A month of doing what you're supposed to do. Isn't it crazy that everybody knows what they're supposed to do? Everybody knows how to get better, everyone knows how to get stronger, everyone knows how to get healthier. Everyone knows how to get more things done in their life. And yet we just go with the, hey, Mom's cruise control. Just let it happen. It's no big deal. I can put it off. I'll do it tomorrow. That's a real thing. That's a real thing that can happen for 39 years.
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Yes, it is.
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39 years of not doing something that you're supposed to do. 47 years of not doing something that you're supposed to do. This happens with people's lives. So developing the right habits where you learn to conquer the disciplines that are ahead of you each day, that's a real thing. This is. This is one of the things that I think I learned. You know, they ask you if you learned anything in SEAL training. You know, everyone's, what'd you learn? And I always say, ah, you don't learn anything. You learn how to get. You learn. You don't learn anything. You just get weeded out if you can't put up with the suffering. Wet, cold and miserable and tired. Yeah, but One thing, there's a couple things when I think back, it's like, oh, you. Whether I learned it or I just like identified a mechanism which is like, oh, we have something terrible to do. Just stop thinking about it and go get it done. You know you are, you got to hit the surface, you're gonna hit the surf. Well, you're either gonna quit or you're gonna hit the surf. So you just turn your brain off and you go do what you're supposed to do. You have a four mile timed run in the morning. You do not feel like doing it. I never felt like doing a four mile timed run at 3 o' clock in the morning. Not one time that makes sense to me. You know what I'm saying? You're already sore from yesterday. They made you do a thousand eight count. Bodybuilders or whatever, they kept you up late. Now it's four. Three o' clock in the morning. Four o' clock in the morning, it's cold. And you have to do a four mile timed run, which I suck at running. I'm barely going to pass. I have to run as hard as I possibly can. It's 4 o' clock in the morning. Zero times did I want to do a four mile time run. Zero.
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Yeah.
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And every time. And you do one a week, you do one four mile time run. Look, you do conditioning runs, you do rock, you do all kinds of other running. Matter of fact, you run six miles a day just to go to get food and come back. So without that, those, those, those numbers don't even count. You're just doing six miles a day. Yeah, but the four mile time run, you know, look, when you're running a chow, it's a shuffle, you know, it's like you're kind of shuffling.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Sometimes you gotta run a little faster when you're behind the power curve, so you gotta try and catch back up. But never did I actually want to do a four mile timed run at 3:30 in the morning. Freezing cold, tired, sore. But when they said go, just go. It's one of those things that you learn to just. I'm just gonna have to do this thing. Whether I want to do it or not doesn't freaking matter. Doesn't matter whether you want to do it or not. So I think you learn that and you realize, and another thing, you realize that when you're done, you realize how good it feels. Not one time did I get done with a four mile time run and not be happy that it was over. Except for one I failed one run. I wasn't happy about that. All the other times I was happy. Pass the run, Cool. Get after it. Good job. All the other times felt good about it. So you also learn, you learn the gratification that you get when you do something hard and then you can utilize that as mind fuel in the future. Like, I know this is going to suck right now, but I'm going to get it done. So that's what I think one of the many benefits of def reset is it allows you to learn how to shut your brain off and just go do the thing that you signed up for. You signed up to do this. You signed up for it. You said, I'm gonna do it. Yeah, okay, we're gonna do it. So we got the daily disciplines in place. There's eight of them. One of them says getting up early. I don't care if you get. Get up earlier than normal. That's the first one. Get up earlier than normal and try and get up. Try if you can. Look, some people got shift work, they got things going on in life. I get it. Sometimes you can't get up the same time every day, but as much as you can, you get up the same time every day, get up earlier than you normally would. Sun Tzu said, if you get to the battlefield first, you're going to win. So get to the battlefield first. That's what it is. Start your day earlier. Half an hour, maybe an hour earlier. And that's number one. Number two is once you get up, you can do some physical activity and I don't really care what it is. You still on your road work kick? Echo, Charles.
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Yeah.
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What's the road work status right now? What's the, what's, what's the, what's the repetition? What's the protocol all day?
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Yeah, yeah. I don't mean I'm walking all day or nothing like that, but it is actually. I got back into running. I'm incorporating.
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Incorporating actual running.
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Yeah. Every day in the morning. Uhhuh. Yeah. First thing, how far? I don't go by distance, I go by time. So anywhere? Minimum 40 minutes, all the way up to an hour and five minutes.
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Why is the extra five minutes on there?
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That's just the longest I've ever done it that I can remember. But usually it's minimum is 40. Like if I'm rushed for time, if I have something to do or something like this, I, I'll cut it off at 40. 20 there, 20 pack.
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You know what's good too is sometimes if you're tight on time. Sprint. Yeah. You know, even, even like a. I've got a little 500, 500 yard course around my hood.
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Yeah.
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And I'll do a couple of those. I'll do like three or two to four of those. And if you're putting out, like, you feel so good when you get done. Like, if you're going hard, you'll feel good when you get done. And it takes to do three of them will take me like 10 minutes with, with one minute break in between. Yeah.
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So wait, you go, you say like around your hood? Let's say a lap.
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Yeah.
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Yard scenario. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. That's good, man. It's not a sprint. It's a different energy system.
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You're right. But, but then what I'll do is sometimes I'll do that 500, but then I'll do some like little 40s.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Or 50s. I have another little spot. So I'll figure out how to make it work.
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Yeah.
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But that's number two on this list is get after it. Yeah. And when we say get after it, well, we're talking about some kind of physical exercise. Some kind of physical activity. This is so clutch. It's so clutch to make you feel good. It's just so good for you. It's so good to set you up for the rest of the day. It's so good to get the blood flow to the brain. It's so good to get your, your system moving. It's just gonna set. It's gonna set you up for success 100%. And listen, if you're one of these people, because some people say, you know, it's better to lift in the afternoon. You get, you know, you're stronger, you'll. Yeah, cool. You can lift in the afternoon. Cool. But when you get up in the morning, you got to do something. Do something physical. In the morning, you go for a 45 minute stern walk with Echo Charles. Or you want to throw on a ruck and just go for a 30 minute little ruck. Do it, but do something. You want to do some yoga stretches? Get it done. Cool. Cool. You want to do 100 burpees for time or 10 minutes of burpees. Cool. Do that. But we're waking up in the morning, and regardless of what happens, we're doing some physical activity. So that's the second thing. The third thing is prioritize and execute. This takes a little bit of prep. And the way that you prep for, prioritize, and execute is you have to write down what the Hell, it is you're supposed to do the next day. You got to do it the night before. Don't try and catch up in the morning on figure out what you're supposed to do. No, do it before you go to bed at night. You're going to write down what it is you need to do the next day. What, what project you have to work on, what freaking junk drawer do you have to clean out? What clothes do you need to get squared away? What paper do you need to write? What, what financial administrative thing do you need to. What things you got to do tomorrow? What things do you have to do tomorrow? You write those things down. Maybe there's three of them, maybe there's five of them. You can have your daily things too. Like there's things you're doing every day. Now look, do you have to write down that you're going to brush your teeth? Do you have to check that box? You really don't need do, Do I write down workout in the morning? No, I don't write down workout morning. I know what I'm doing. I know it's happening. Do I have to write down get dressed? No, we don't have to write down get dressed. But there's things that are unique for that day. Those are the things that. Now listen, if you're in the habit, if you're in the habit forming mode, write down the other things. Let's say you're not a toothbrusher, let's say you're a person that like for whatever reason you ain't brushing your teeth and your friends and family are like, bro, you gotta start brushing them fangs. You know what I'm saying? You might be a person that needs to write that down until you form the habit. And that way you get the gratification of checking the box. Brushed fangs. Good. Check. Done. So if you're not a person that has been waking up early, if you're not a person that has, has been working out in the morning, you might have to make a box for yourself to check. And that will help you. You'll get a little dopamine and not the free freaking dopamine that you get from your reals. Yeah, but real dopamine, cuz you did something good. So we're making little boxes to check, little boxes to check. And we do have the box, we have the boxes to check for the daily habits as well. We got an app made by Jay Charles, Jade Charles, Echo Charles's brother. We got an app that you can track these things on and we Have a PDF that you can print out whatever you want to do. But, but beyond the daily habits, you got to write down the tasks and the things that you need to get done every day and then you're going to do them. That's number three.
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Go real quick. The. You know how you don't write down workout on your thing?
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What do you mean? Okay.
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Or on your daily, you know, prioritize, execute.
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Right. You don't write workout.
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Right.
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I don't write wake up. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. Cuz that's like it's a standing block of whatever. Yeah. And you do a good work because you wake up at 4:30 or whatever. And even if you didn't work out at that time in that block, hypothetically, it's not like something would make its way into that, you know, it's not like you're, you have some meeting at 4:30, you know, so it's kind of like just a standing block of things. But I think that that's relevant because if you have a standing block or time frame, whatever, blocked out in your schedule, whatever, even if it's later, like right before noon or something, like at 11, if it's a standing block, it's still kind of a way to indicate like, hey, this is my workout. This is where it is. See, I'm saying even if you don't have to necessarily check the box, but it has to, it has to be there. And I say this because I've always been the kind where I plan to work out at about this time, but if it doesn't happen, it's okay because I'll do. You know, it's pretty ambiguous. It's ambiguously scheduled, we'll say. But anytime where I did make it a point to like block it off specifically it would. I don't think I've ever failed to do a workout or like, you know how like workout will. I don't know if you ever get this but you know, workouts get kind of like imposed upon and, and like watered down because it's like, okay, I'm trying to do this thing right. And it's like, oh, when am I going to work out? Shoot, maybe I should work out later, blah, blah. And I'm like, yeah, and you know what, I'll just do it right now then I could do it right now. I'm like, oh, I'm pressed for this and that. And then the workout gets cut short. It's like this whole thing, see, I'm saying if you put it down to the Bottom of the priority list or not on the priority list. And then it's sort of just. It's kind of take what you can get kind of a scenario. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, but I don't. I wanted to clarify for myself, actually, how you do it just to, to like, kind of prove or to establish that you, you do have your workout blocked out very specifically.
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Yeah. Like it's happening at this time when I wake up in the morning.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. Right.
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Two things on that. Number one, what you just said about like, some kind of negotiation with yourself. When I used to surf with Stoner in the mornings. And it's real easy, like when, if you're not, if you're not. If you don't surf. Surfing is while you're up on a wave and you're riding a wave is very, very fun. One of like the top five fun things in the world to do when you're not. When you're getting ready and it's 5:40 in the morning, it's cold, you're putting your wetsuit on. It's a pain in the ass to put your wetsuit on tight. And then you're going to have to get in the water. It's cold, it's miserable. Once you surf, you know, you got to, like, get your wetsuit off and you got to get your board back in the car and everything's wet and it's just junk and you got to. Now you got to wash your wet. Like there's a whole bunch of other, like, chores that go along with surfing and not. And chores that are not fun.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So you would be surprised at the amount of times when a group of people show up to surf and they negotiate out of it. There's, there's actually funny, like, videos on the Internet of, you know, guys saying, well, let's check. You know what, it doesn't look too good here. Let's check this spot. And they go to that spot. You know, it looks like the wind's picked up a little bit. Let's go to this other spot. Hey, it looks like the wind, the, the, the tide's dropping too fast here. Let's go to this other spot. And I don't know if it's going to be good anymore. Let's go get some breakfast. Yeah. And so I didn't like that, that, that, that. I don't like that thing. I don't like that deal. Like, if we're going to go surfing, we shouldn't be able to, like, talk ourselves out of it.
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Yeah.
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So Stoner and I came up with a rule that when we met to surf, we were either going to surf or we were going to swim around the pier, which is a total pain in the ass. Like that's the, the worst day of surfing is still better than swimming around the pier.
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So good.
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So we made that deal like, hey, if we're not going to surf, we'll just swim around the pier, no big deal. Hey, you know what? Since we're here, got our wetsuits, we'll put them on, we'll swim around the pier. If we don't want to go surfing, if we allegedly don't really want to go surfing, then we'll just swim around the pier. Number of times we swam around the pier, zero. Because we always put our suits on and just freaking paddled out because that's what you should be doing. So that's number one. The other thing I want to mention about prioritize and execute is, you know, when we teach prioritize and execute, we teach what is the biggest problem that you have or what is going to give you the biggest return on investment and focus on that thing first. Once that priority is taken care of, you can go on the next one and so on down the line. Here's, here's what I want to concert. Want people to concentrate on for def. Reset. Instead of doing the most immediate problem or focusing on the most immediate problem first thing. Instead get the strategic things done first. Meaning a project that you have that's going to take you a hundred hours to get done, but you have another project that's due tomorrow that's going to take three hours. Instead of doing the three hour project first, do, do one hour or 45 minutes of the hundred hour project first. Because the strategic things, if you do them first, they will get done eventually. And if you don't do them first, they will never get done. And by the way, this is why working out is the first thing. Because there's nothing more strategically important in your life than your health. Nothing. I don't care what it is. There's nothing more important strategically in your life than your health. Now look, if you want to say your family's health, your kids health, obviously that's a priority. That's a bigger priority. We would sacrifice our own health for our family's health. But when we look at what we have to get done, the biggest strategic impact we have is to be healthy. Because we can't support our family, we can't do our job, we can't do anything if we're not healthy. So that's why we work out first thing in the morning. Morning. That's the real obvious example. But if you have a project or a goal that's going to take you 200 hours to get to, maybe you're writing a book, Maybe you're trying to figure out how to design something for your house. Maybe you're figuring out a new project that you want to work on. Whatever that thing is, do that thing first. Like, for instance, when I'm writing a book, sometimes I. Sometimes I even write before I work out. I'll wake up and do 40 minutes hardcore writing, and then I'll go work out. I'll do an hour hardcore writing, and then I'll go work out. Because then also you get the. The mental, and then you get to do something physical, and then you do something mentally and do something physical again. So prioritize that way. During deaf Reset, do things strategic. Do the big strategic goals that you have first. Like, let's say you got a. Oh, you want to clean your garage. How long is it gonna take you to clean your garage? It's gonna take you probably 20 hours, right? You got a bunch of stuff in the rafters. You got this other bags full of shit. It's just a big disaster. So instead of saying, okay, well, I'll do this whole thing on Saturday, but then on Saturday, you're kind of like, well, you know, I've actually got a. Got the kids, got a wrestling tournament, blah, blah, blah, and I'm not gonna do it blah. Instead you go, okay, I've got. I'm gonna get the. Part of the deaf reset is me cleaning my garage. Okay, cool. I'm gonna. This one shelf, that's gonna take me one hour to get this one shelter. Do that first, work out, clean that shelf, and then carry on with the rest of your day. Look up in 20 days, 20 hours. Done. You got the job done.
B
Yeah.
A
So that's what we're doing. Do your strategic things first, and that's your prioritize and execute. That's number three. Number four habit is hydrated. Drink water. We don't drink enough water. During de reset, I always pound, like, a liter of water before I eat each meal.
B
Deal.
A
Just to, like, get it done. We're hydrating. We're obviously, we're eating clean fuel. So get your steak together, get your meal prep on. If you need to get your meal prep on, make sure you're stocked up on mol. Have you had fruity cereal yet?
B
Yes, I did. So good.
A
It's. You know, when something lands with, like I always say, no one knows what the public likes except for the public. But the fruity cereal is hitting, and people are just. It's berserker.
B
Yeah.
A
It's so good.
B
Yeah, it was. So. You know how I. And I've said this before where. Where part. A big part of the true story is how the kids feel about it. Because if you give. Yeah, one time, Pete. This was. This is right when Warrior Kid Molt came out and Pete asked my daughter, oh, yeah, you drink Warrior Kid milk? She goes, yeah. She's like, oh. He's like, oh, yeah, you like it? She goes, no, no.
A
Oh, that was the old malt.
B
Yeah, yeah, the original. Yeah, yeah. And she's like, oh, not really. People's like, oh, damn.
A
You know, but we'll tell you the truth.
B
The point is exactly, right? If a kid doesn't like it, he's not gonna pretend he likes it because he's signed up, you know, you know, fired up for the. For the whole cause or whatever. No, not at all, bro. He just won't drink it. Like, oh, no, thanks. Or what? You know, so when I tasted it, my son was with me the other day when I was down here. And so, yeah, we went over there, and Carrie's like, oh, yeah, bro, we got this new flavor. I'm like, okay, cool. And then so, of course, my son, he's like, fired up to be part of. Part of the thing, you know? So he's like, let me taste it first. So I'm like, cool. He tastes.
A
He was like, oh, that's good.
B
So, okay. So I'm like, cool. You know, he likes it. And of course I taste it. I like it. Surprisingly, I liked it because I'm like. And I was explaining this to Carrie, you know, like, when you. When you eat cereal as a kid. Well, actually, we'll say, like, as an adult. We'll say. And then, like, you're done with the cereal, and you just have that. That cereal milk in there.
A
That's what it is.
B
But here's the thing. As an adult, there's a part. I don't know, maybe I'm alone on this, but there was a part of me that's like, what? I'm just pound this freaking milk.
A
This hesitation on that, because it was, like, kind of.
B
It seemed kind of gross to me.
A
Damn.
B
Like, me just picking up the. Oh, I did it every single time. Because there was, like. Because it tasted really good. It just seemed. Seemed Like a gross little scene. You see what I'm saying? Anyway, but yeah, so that's a weird.
A
That's a weird OCD complex you have. Is it probably lifting up balls and. No, I remember when I used to drink. When I used to eat mint chocolate chip ice cream all the time, I would straight lick those balls, bro. Straight. Like, just get down and just get in there.
B
Well, yeah, And I dig it. Okay? So. No, no, that's good to know. I thought. I didn't know that I was alone on that one, but that was my. That was real. So I'm like, so what I'm gonna do, like a flay. So I was hesitant. See what I'm saying? I'm like, really? Like, how's this gonna land? It could be super good, but it could be kind of weird, bro. But I drank. It was freaking good. I was like, oh, damn. This is, like, surprisingly good. So anyway, back to my kids. So Carrie gives me a few of them to take home. You know, I was like, oh, can I get some? Whatever. And my son wanted one too. So I take it home. And my son is evangelizing for this thing. He's like, I can't wait for, you know, his. His sister to come home. I can't wait for her to get. Get home. I'm gonna. Right when she comes, like, he's like, chase this. Taste this, taste this. No, you think like, oh, that's not a big deal. That is a big deal for a kid to start evangelizing about how good something is, bro. That's like candy level. You see what I'm saying? Like, if kids like candy or whatever tastes, it's like that level. See what I'm saying?
A
So.
B
Oh, yeah. Fruity. What's it called? Cereal.
A
Yeah. You know what else is interesting is they nailed the color of. Of the bottle.
B
Yeah.
A
Because it's like. It's like a. It's a blue. It's a blue color, which can be a little strange looking. Right? Because you don't think. When you think of, like, what food do you. Does a person eat that's blue? Like, maybe blueberries, but they're, like, blackish.
B
Right?
A
Right. You know, there's not many blue things. It kind of looks like a weird color, but they nailed this color. It looks good in the bottle.
B
Looks appetizing.
A
Yeah, it looks appetizing. Exactly. Thank you so much. So clean fuel. Get yourself some fruity cereal or whatever mo flavor you want and get your meal prep on. Just. Just be ready. And then. Because the next one is also no sugar coated lies. Right. So during deaf reset, we are just verboten on the sugar coated lies. And what you have to do, quite frankly, is you got to get that trash out of your house. You have to do it like what? Day after Christmas. They call it Boxing Day in England. Day after Christmas. Man, this stuff's got us. You gotta start packing up, getting out of there. You got to get it out of there. Don't give yourself the temptation. Just get out of there. Just get out of the house. No trash. Because we're having no sugar coated lies during January. Period. End of story. Period, end of story. I had some sugar coated lies though, recently.
B
Okay.
A
You ever had. You. You familiar with chocolate covered macadamia nuts? Yeah, I got busy with some of those, bro.
B
You got to be careful, bro, that. Because there's like, there's levels of the negative impact of certain things, you know, like the sugar in and of itself. That's one level. And then there's the, what it calls calorie surplus scenario. Right. So if you're trying to like, if you kind of. If you're, if you're on a cut, put it that way. Probably like a chocolate covered macadamia nuts is, is gonna, it's gonna jam you up.
A
What if you're not on a cut?
B
Oh, if you're on a bulk. Dirty bulk all day. Macadamia nuts.
A
Have you ever. Have you ever manly. Manually adjusted to dirty bulk due to the presence of chocolate covered macadamia nuts.
B
Switched it up. No, it's. I grew up in Kauai. On Kauai. So macadamia nuts are very common.
A
Yeah.
B
But I do like them a lot. But I learned early on in my fitness journey that macadamia nuts are super. We'll say calorie dance.
A
Yeah. But you wrap up in chocolate, it's even worse.
B
Yeah, it. They're good, but you gotta watch out.
A
I don't know what the limit would be for me eating those things. Like, I don't know.
B
I understand.
A
It could be, could. It could get wild. Luckily. They're so good, so rich.
B
Yeah.
A
You know that you have them. You're like. It's pretty gratifying.
B
Yeah.
A
So I guess maybe I, I. Even though they taste really good, I don't know that I would sit there and just, you know, go unlimited on them. Yeah. They're very rich.
B
Yeah. It feels like you'd hit the wall kind of early compared to like, what? Like, you know what? There's certain things that you just can't stop.
A
Like potato chips. Yeah, get those things out of your house. Yeah, bro, those things are just so bad.
B
Yeah.
A
Just salt, they just taste good. And I, I've. Lately I realized I have a craving for salt more than anything else, bro. So I try and drink more hydrate because it helps replace that salt. That helps. But then I'll. But then what I also will do is sunflower seeds, you know, like salty black pepper, cracked pepper or something like this. Sunflowers. Because they gratify, gratify the, the taste for salt.
B
Yeah, yeah.
A
So, you know, because I run or whatever, I'm sweating. I sweat a lot, as you know. And so you need some salt. So I get to hydrate. I'll do double packs of hydrate, just like one, one glass. But I'll put two packs I in there. And that's good.
B
Yeah. So you ever had raw macadamia nuts before?
A
Yeah, I have and I need. Well, I need like that salt just offsets it very nicely.
B
Yeah, I've always liked the rock. Why? They grow them everywhere. So you like, you pick them and you like, crack them with the hammer. That's the best. But yeah, bro, you can't. You got to slow down with that.
A
To go easy on the macadamia nuts.
B
You do.
A
But you can have some. You know, as our, as our people say, from first in, first in nutrition, you can eat everything.
B
Anything.
A
Anything. You just can't eat everything. Yeah. So, yeah, get you dialed in.
B
Hey, if it falls within the macros, it's actually good. It's a good source of fat for sure. But it'll, it'll start coloring outside the lines of those macros real quick. You keep, you keep indulging.
A
Make that up right there. Outside the lines. Calling outside the lines of the macros.
B
Yeah, man, that's the way I see it.
A
So deaf reset. No sugar coat lies. Period. End of story. That's what we're doing. Number seven, back to the book. You're going to read or you're going to write every day? Read or write. I recommend a little bit of both, actually. And listen, you don't need to. Sometimes people think that they, they see reading. They think of one hour block. You don't need to read for an hour. You can read for six minutes. You can get awesome benefits reading for six minutes. And if you set the low bar, like, hey, I'm going to read for seven minutes. I'm going to read for 10 minutes. Whatever it is, I'm going to write for 10 minutes. Hey, here's something I've been recommending to people, especially young people. Dude, write down what you did today. Just write down what you did today. I never did that. I never did that. I have a couple, like, things that I wrote when I was a young kid and we were all trying to be cool, trying to be Henry Rollins, like, writing down books and writing down, like, cool stuff about the, you know, being. Being a 14 year old with angst and anger. I wrote all that shit down. I have some pretty disturbing writings from back in the day, but, man, I look back, like, especially being in the military, you look back and you're like, dude, if I wish I would have just written down just what I did today. Even if it said, you know, September 19, went parachuting, did four jumps, landed hard on my last one, but had a good day.
B
Yeah.
A
Even if I just wrote that, man, I'd be so stoked. But instead it's just one big blur.
B
Yeah.
A
And I don't remember the four jumps on September 19th or whatever else.
B
Yeah.
A
And so if you can just write down what you did and do a little. It's also a good little time audit, so. Good little time audit. Like, what'd you get done today? So.
B
Right. You can go deep in that. That, like. Right. Okay. So I told you this before where my mom sent me, like, this thing that I wrote when I was in elementary school. It was like, it seemed like it was my punishment that I had to write down what I did because I abandoned my brother down in. In town or something like that. But I remember, I vaguely remember the scenario. But how much of your life is lost? Lost just because, you know, because obviously we're not remembering every little thing, you know, but how much of your life is lost to that? That whole just haze of forgetting, irrelevance kind of.
A
And what sucks is I bet if we did some memory research, if you have one little anchor.
B
Yeah.
A
It'll just, it'll. You can build the framework around what happened that day.
B
Oh, yeah.
A
And if you don't have any anchor, then it's just literally gone.
B
So I think this might not be anything new, but, you know, I'm just thinking you. You talking right now a lot of like, creativity. And I don't mean like just, you know, traditional creativity. I mean anything, like decisions moving forward and stuff like that could be better kind of realized if you're in touch with that kind of stuff. I feel like. Yeah. You know how, like, even if you just like journaling. Right. You know, they say journaling, but I've never really gone into the Depth of why journaling is so. Or allegedly is so good, you know, but it starts to make sense when you think about it. Because if. Even. Even if you can reflect on it every year, we'll just reflect on it a little bit. You get reminded, hey, you were thinking this way.
A
Way.
B
Now you kind of think this way. How different is it? And what are you going to do with. With that. That gain of, like, knowledge or ways of thinking and all this other stuff so you can make these decisions going, you know, certain decisions going forward.
A
Yep. Did you see. Did you look at Crazy Joe Clayburn's journals from Ramadi at all?
B
No. He was reading a little bit of it, though.
A
I mean, he has little drawings in there, little maps, cutouts. Like, it is freaking awesome. Is just so awesome. And I have nothing like that. I have. I used to carry, like, a little notebook with me in Ramadi. And I have. I have the notes. And generally the notes are around the operations we were conducting. The operations that we conducted had numbers. We numbered the operations that we were conducting. So they'd be like, Ram, which stood for Ramadi. Like, Ram 2, 3, 9, and then Ram 2, 4, 0, and then Ram 241. They were all numbered. And so in my. In these books, I probably had four or five of them while I was there. It will just say, like, RAM118, and then I'll have, like, my commander's intent. Because I'd be making notes as, like, Leif or Seth or someone was briefing what they were going to do, and I'd, like, make some nose like, hey, watch out for this. Make sure you do this. Connect with these guys first. So. So. And it's. It's. But, like, those. Those little notes are sort of. Sometimes they're enough to give me a little bit of, like, a anchor of like. Oh, yeah, I remember that.
B
Yeah.
A
Oh, yeah. I remember telling those guys that. Oh, yeah, we were going on and off and. And there was, like, supposedly friendly security guards. And it was like, in my notes were like, do not, you know, kill anyone with an AK47 because they have friendly security guards. It's like a big deal. But, like, you know that little anchor. Oh, yeah, I remember that. I remember that. I remember that happening. So, yeah, just writing down enough to give you reflection and give you a framework to. To have your memories is. Is so important. I wish I would have done that my whole life. I didn't do it.
B
You ever go to, like, I don't know, like, an old friend's house or something? Like that. And then they have these. They have pictures. And I'm not saying, like, you know, nowadays, everyone has pictures in their phone and stuff. Like, I mean, like, old school, you know, developed pictures from Kodak or, you know, whatever. And they're like. So in college, I used to always have this disposable camera. I'd always have one just. Yeah. It's kind of random. So. And I'd just be taking, you know, little. Take selfies with people and all this stuff. Before selfies was a thing, by the way. Oh, yeah. And, you know, I develop them and stuff like that. And so they're just little snapshots of random times, you know, like. Or whatever. So it's. If you go to, like, an old friend's house and they have something like that, you're. You're kind of like, oh, wait a second. I never thought about this moment ever until right now. And it's a snapshot. It's a picture. So now these journals, basically, it's. That's what it does, but it's a snapshot in your own mind.
A
Y.
B
See what I'm saying? And I'll probably. Yeah, bro. I think there's a lot that can come from that.
A
So that's what we're doing. Like, write things down. Read. Read 10 minutes. Read 15 minutes. Write. @ a minimum, write down what you got done that day and what you just. What. Not even what you got done. You're gonna make it like a. Like a task. But just write down, here's what I did.
B
Today.
A
Yeah. And that's. That's what we're doing. Back to the book. And then the last one is remember. And you could. You could. You could probably flex some of this into your writing as well. But, like, hey, what. What are you. Who are you remembering? What are you remembering? You know, a little bit of gratitude for the people that came before you and made sacrifices to get you where you are important and reflect on what you've been through. So that's the last thing. And these are the. These are the daily disciplines that we're doing during Deaf Reset to make sure we're not wasting time, to make sure we're doing what we should be doing. And like I said, we got some cool tools to help with this. We got the. We got the Jade Charles.
B
App. Hell.
A
Yeah. Which is looking good always. We got. And we have. So that's like an online tracker. And I'm on there. There's a ton of people on there putting in when you get stuff done. And we have a PDF habit tracker that you can print out as well. We got, we got some things on the web, some community connection activity. We got like a, a thing on Instagram. I think it's called a channel. A channel on Instagram for deaf.
B
Reset. Oh, you like a bra. It's called broadcast.
A
Right? Yeah, something like that. I'll. I'll put out some word on what that is. I made a workout for each.
B
Day. Yeah.
A
Okay. Yeah. All right. The workouts are scalable. Like they're simple, they're not easy, but they're simple. They're scalable. Like doesn't matter who you are, you can get them done. They're relatively quick. Like you could probably do these as your early morning pt regardless of how much time you have right now. I've written the first 15. There's no equipment needed for the first 15, but I think I'm going to add some kind of pull up activity for the second 15. So if you're listening this right now and you want, you're doing deaf reset, get a pair of rings or a pull up bar. You need to pull a bar from Home Depot or Lowe's or Ace Hardware. You just need a piece of pipe. That's what you need. An inch and a half or a 2 inch piece of pipe and you drill some holes in it, put some 550 cord through it. You can hang it in a tree, get some 1 inch tubular nylon, wrap it around that thing, hang it in a tree. Hanging from your rafters in your garage, you can, it's not hard. Or you can get a set of rings. You get a set of rings from just about anywhere. Rogue Fitness, they make some good rings. So get yourself some wood rings by the way. Get wood rings because you get plastic rings or metal rings. Sweat, it's not ideal. Get wood.
B
Rings. Do you have off the top of your head, you know. Okay. Because pulling, pulling exercises is way harder to do it.
A
Makeshift.
B
Yeah. Compared to pushing. Like there's push ups. You put your feet up on the chair. Push ups handstand push ups, push ups.
A
Dips. You can do dips between chairs. Like there's all kinds of ways to do push. Yep. And legs obviously squatting like you can do even if you do pistols. Like one legged squats. Yeah. That's like a legit load for most.
B
People. Oh yeah.
A
Lunges. There's like the whole split jump for sure. Yeah. Bulgarian split squats. What are we doing? Let's go. Luck legs.
B
Easy.
A
Yeah. Push ups.
B
Easy. Yep. The pull ups pulls any pulling exercise really that's like you kind of gotta do you. What's your. I mean, okay, so the, the most, the one, the effective one that I figured out was I had to bring rings. A. That's already a thing compared to like a push up scenario. And then I had to hang them in a spot that could hold them, which was on this, this condo I was staying in. It had like a, what do you call them? The rafter, the beam, you know, and it was strong so I, I managed to, to. But it's not always there. I mean what's the, is there any other hack protocols that you know.
A
You know scaffolding, so you go out into the. If you're in an urban environment, there's construction somewhere, there's some scaffolding. I've, I've done many pull up workouts in New York City on random scaffolding for this exact reason. There are some little mini rings that you can get which are like half rings. I have a pair of those. Yeah, they're like smaller, but you can kind of hang those anywhere. Parking garages, I hate to say it because I don't want anyone to, you know, get in trouble, but parking garages, they have sprinkler systems. So the sprinkler systems have pipes. The.
B
Pipes.
A
Careful. Yeah, be careful. But sometimes fire escapes, if they have metal railings, you can sometimes hook your, whatever, you know, your, your rings or whatever you have with you onto those and you can kind of do some, you know, some pull ups in a, in a fire escape center and pretty much people stay away from those things. Another thing you can do is, is like you can put your towel, you can, you can put a towel through the door. You kind of hang that thing and you can go do some kind of pull up variety on that. Hotel gyms will, sometimes they don't have a pull up bar, but they've got some metal apparatus that you can hang off of. Another thing you can do is go to a school park, you know, or a park, you know, in New York City you can go to Thompson Square park or whatever. Just like there's a bunch of parks you can go and you can find a kid's monkey bar thing and you're good to.
B
Go.
A
Yeah. So there are ways to make it happen, but it is definitely the, that's why I always say the, the first thing you need to get when it comes to fitness is something new. Pull ups on and rings makes that easier because rings are like self contained. And by the way, when you get rings now you can Also do push ups. Now you can do dips. So rings are a very awesome tool to utilize and, and you should get some. So we got, we got the, I put together workouts and I'll do some, some workouts with the, with the rings for the second half there or pull up bar or whatever. We got some video stuff, some, some clap, not just video stuff but we got some pertinent information about all this that we're putting out there. And, and also on top of all this to try and spread the word and to try and give people some, some quantifiable things to chase. It's good to have quantifiable things to chase. We're giving away some stuff, we're giving away some stuff from Echelon Front, giving away some stuff from Origin, giving away some stuff from yeti, giving away some stuff from Ornix or Sorenex and then Roka and then Go Rock. So we got some cool stuff that we're giving away as well. So and by the way, one the last thing that we're giving away, which is kind of dope, we're giving away an all expense paid trip to San Diego, California to go to the Echelon front muster and hit Victory MMA gym with me and probably go get a steak or something to, or at least drink a fruity cereal milk. What up? So that's what we're doing. That's the deaf reset. We're getting after it. We are not wasting time. So you want to join us on that? Go to thedef reset.com and get on the path. I will see you there. The path is not easy. The path is hard. That's what we're doing. Don't waste your time. If you need some clean fuel, check out jockerfuel.com if you need some training gear, check out originusa.com if you need something dope to represent while you're on the path, check out jocko store.com if you need a book to read, check out Dave Burke's book need to lead. Check out put your legs on by Rob Jones. Check out things my brother said if you got kids, check out things my brother used to say by Ryan Manion. Awesome book. I've written a bunch of kids books too. You can. By the way, you can do deaf reset with your kid. Yeah, kid friendly. Yeah, kid friendly. Also we have a leadership consulting company. It's called Echelon front. Go to eslanfront.com if you want to learn about leadership. You need help with leadership. You need help inside Your organization with leadership, then check that out. Ashlompfront.com we got events going all the time. We just did an event down in Florida. It's called the muster. The next muster is in April and the muster sells out and people always we post when it sells out and then we have a hundred more people say, hey, we missed it. Do you have any more seats? And we're like, no, no, there's a fire code. So if you want to come to the muster, then just go to echelonfront.com and sign up. If you need help inside your organization, we have a whole team of leadership consultants that will come out and help you with leadership. Also we have extreme ownership.com and that is online training. So you can check that out as well. If you want to get some steak for what you got going on, go to primalbeef.com or go to coloradocraftbees.com and that way you can get your food prep done. Eat some steak. What should you could call the deaf deaf reset or maybe you just call it the deaf restake and just eat steak every day. That's what we're doing. Sure. 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Also thanks to our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines who are standing post around the world right now protecting our freedom and protecting our way of life. We are grateful for your service and sacrifice. Also thanks to our police, law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret service as well as all other first responders. Thanks for standing post here at home and protecting us from evil and for everyone else out there. The clock is ticking, and you've heard me say that before. And every breath is another second gone. And no matter what you do, and no matter how bad you want, you will not get one more minute or even one more second. So do not waste your time and instead get up, get out and get after it. That's all we've got for tonight. And until next time, Zeko and Jocko.
Host: Jocko Willink
Co-Host: Echo Charles
Date: December 24, 2025
This episode centers on one of Jocko’s core themes: the irreplaceable value of time and the urgent need for discipline. Using his daughter’s recent high-level jiu jitsu competition as a launchpad, Jocko unpacks lessons about time, regret, discipline, prioritization, and the annual "DEF Reset" discipline challenge. The discussion moves fluidly from specific stories to techniques and mindset, all delivered with Jocko’s trademark pragmatism and intensity.
She competed against Bella Muir (Frank Muir’s daughter), a formidable, highly accomplished wrestler and BJJ player.
Jocko describes the competitiveness, the technical battle, and the outcome.
Post-match, Rana (his daughter) is upset and tells him:
“If I only had one more minute.”
This line haunts Jocko, leading to reflection about life’s finality.
Jocko draws a parallel to Shakespeare’s Richard II:
“I wasted time. Now time doth waste me.”
Main point: In life—just like on the mat—there’s no guarantee of "one more minute." Wasting time leads to regret, so every minute must count.
[10:01 – 14:00]
“How much time have you wasted this year?” – Jocko [11:00]
Link to Leadership:
The first tactical question to ask in any situation is:
“How much time do I have?”
Because time is the only factor you can’t control—just like terrain or weather in warfare.
[14:01 – 16:00]
“You can declare bankruptcy with money. You can’t declare bankruptcy with time.” – Jocko [15:00]
[16:01 – 18:40]
“Isn’t it crazy that everyone knows what they’re supposed to do—but we just go on cruise control?” – Jocko [17:15]
“If you get to the battlefield first, you’re going to win.” – Jocko, paraphrasing Sun Tzu [21:00]
[21:31 – 26:00]
“We’re waking up in the morning, and regardless of what happens, we’re doing some physical activity.” – Jocko [23:11]
[26:01 – 34:44]
“Instead of doing the most immediate problem first thing, do the most strategic—because if you do them first, they will get done eventually. If you don’t, they never get done.” – Jocko [32:00]
Habit 4: Hydrate (lots of water, especially before meals)
Habit 5: Clean Fuel (eat quality food; meal prep encouraged)
Habit 6: No Sugar-Coated Lies (removes junk food/sweets—clear your pantry)
Habit 7: Read or Write (at least 6–10 minutes daily; journaling recommended for accountability and reflection)
“Man, I look back…if I had just written down what I did every day—even if just ‘Did four parachute jumps’—I’d be so stoked.” – Jocko [44:36]
Habit 8: Remember/Reflect (practice gratitude for those who came before you; fold into your writing)
[28:45 – 31:02]
“If we’re gonna go surfing, we shouldn’t be able to talk ourselves out of it.” – Jocko [30:44]
On Regret:
“That statement—‘If I only had one more minute’—landed on me, because that’s the way life goes. We are going to run out of time.” – Jocko [08:45]
On Wasted Opportunity:
“I wasted time, now time doth waste me.” – Shakespeare, quoted by Jocko [09:50]
On The Power of Discipline:
“This is one of the things I learned in SEAL training…stop thinking about it and go get it done.” – Jocko [17:45]
On “DEF Reset” Simplicity:
“A month of doing what you’re supposed to do. Everybody knows how to get better…yet we just go with, ‘hey, I’ll put it off, I’ll do it tomorrow.’ That can happen for 39 years.” – Jocko [17:05]
On Self-Negotiation:
“We made that deal: If we’re not going to surf, we’ll just swim around the pier, no big deal. Number of times we swam around the pier: zero. Because we always put our suits on and just freaking paddled out.” – Jocko [31:02]
This episode is a dense motivational framework—anchored in the story of Jocko’s daughter—reminding listeners that time is both finite and non-negotiable. Through practical steps, memorable stories, and the DEF Reset challenge, Jocko and Echo provide a playbook for ending the year with ownership and starting the next with renewed discipline.
Final Word:
“The clock is ticking, and every breath is another second gone. And no matter what you do, and no matter how bad you want, you will not get one more minute. So do not waste your time. Get up, get out, and get after it.” – Jocko [final message]