B (2:29)

Yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, fully.

A (2:31)

There's some people that say, oh, you spend all your time doing chess, why don't you go and study how to cure cancer? Right? That's. We understand that's. There's some people that look at a person climbing up a 3,000 foot granite face with no ropes and go, that's. What are you pursuing this for?

B (2:46)

Yeah.

A (2:47)

Why would you risk death? Your life is so, so what's your perspective here? You know, I think if I was to try and boil this down to say, you know, what are you doing to be a good man, to be a good human, Help other people? Because I think at the end of the day, even when we look at the military and you say that's, that's a heroic thing to do. Why is it heroic? Is it heroic if you're out doing bad things? No, it's not heroic at all. It's supposed to be heroic because you're out helping, saving. You're saving your teammates, you're helping kill the bad guys so that you can save the oppressed people. Like that's what makes it heroic. And I don't know, I'm. I can see that I'm subconsciously avoiding the term manly.

B (3:36)

Yeah.

A (3:36)

Because it seems a little strange, you know, to me. Like manly.

B (3:42)

Right.

A (3:42)

It's like, like there's negative connotation behind it in my mind. Like, oh, you know, like someone say, oh, you, you, you're so, you think you're so manly.

B (3:51)

Yeah.

A (3:51)

Just seems like a weird term to me. But I kind of unders. But I understand what the intent of his word, he's like, hey, how can I look back at my life and say I, I did honorable things as a person. Things that are respectable, things that have meaning. And I would say if you were talking about honor and meaning and respect, I would go to what I was talking about helping other people, you know, and, and so like, like what does an explorer do? Why is an explorer admirable? Because they take risk to open up new horizons. They find the new world, they go to the moon, they go to Mars. That's exploring and opening new horizons for humanity.

B (4:31)

Yeah, that's true.

A (4:33)

And even someone like Alex Honnold, who's. He's doing something that is expanding the capability of humans, showing the potential of humans Inspiring other humans. So it's actually if you're. As long as you're not one of the people that's saying, well, you could die. So it's stupid. A lot of people look at it go, Bo. He really proved what humans are capable of. He inspired people, he helped people in the world. So I think if you. But I think if you're trying to break it down and you really want to look back at your life and say you did things that are good and honorable and respectful and meaningful, I would say the apex of that mountain to climb is helping other people out. Whether it's elderly people that need help, that are sitting alone in a, in a freaking old folks home. What do they call those old folks home? There's another name for a more like politically correct name.

B (5:27)

Yeah.

A (5:28)

Senior living care. Yeah. Something like they have a. They have a better, nicer name for it now.

B (5:33)

Yeah.

A (5:35)

Or maybe it's some kids. Right. Maybe some kids that are, you know, in a bad situation and they need guidance, they need mentorship, they need help, they need someone to teach them how to throw baseball, whatever. The thing is, maybe it, you know, so there's people out there that are underprivileged people out there. There's people that are in need. If you can help those people.

B (5:56)

I.

A (5:57)

Think that's the honorable. I think that's the most meaningful, honorable, respectable thing that you could do. And if you want to throw the word manly on that, go ahead. That's my perspective.

B (6:08)

It seems like, like as a man, I don't know, this could be just my bias, but it seems like the more useful you are. Like I just how you said to others, you know, so like fixing stuff, saving people, helping out in a way that needs to done, you know, like, that's the thing. I think, I think he might have been thinking along the lines of like, what is there like a mark? Like a big one, you know, like a rite of passage almost kind of a thing that kind of is like, hey, that's manly of you. That's like you're a man now that you did this kind of a thing.

A (6:43)

Yeah. Go out, contribute to society and sustain yourself and build a family.

B (6:47)

Yeah.

A (6:47)

You know, take care of your family.

B (6:49)

Yeah, yeah. It feels like, you know. Yeah. I think we're kind of all enamored. Hey, we all are in one way or another. 1. It's like, you know, especially, you know, when you look on TV and the news and like all this stuff and you have these like seemingly larger than life heroes, you know, guys Winning the Medal of Honor, it's kind of like, well, then you look at yourself. You're like, I don't win no Medal of Honor. I haven't done anything even close to that. You know, and then I think that kind of precipitates into, like, these feelings, you know, of like, shoot, what did I do? And you kind of go down the list and you're, like, kind of confused, wait, I did this, but not this. You know, so it's kind of makes sense that you'd wonder that.

A (7:20)

Yeah. And when. When people earn the Medal of Honor, they do it by helping people, you know, they save other people's lives. They're able to push forward so that a battle can be won. They drag someone, you know, back. That is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground podcast. So if you want to continue to listen, go to jocunderground.com and subscribe. And we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control. And we are doing this so that we can support the Jocko podcast, which will remain as is free for all as long as we can keep it that way. But we are doing this so we don't have to be under the control of sponsors. And we're doing it so we can give you more control, more interaction, more direct connections, better communications with us. And to do that, we are, we're building a website right now where we'll be able to utilize to strengthen this legion of troopers that are in the game with us. So thank you. It's Jocko underground.com it costs $8.18 a month. And if you can't afford to support us, we can still support you. Just email assistanceclenderground.com and we'll get you taken care of. Until then, we will see you mobilized Underground.